Anyone care to take a shot at interpreting a T-square?

[Lioness725]

I have a T-square between Uranus in Scorpio in House 2--Venus in Virgo in House 11--and Chiron in Taurus in House 8. Chiron and Taurus Moon conjunct as well.

I don't know what to make of a chart aspect when there are no common element/modality. Taurus is fixed earth, Virgo is mutable earth, and Scorpio is fixed water.

Any takers?

[Arian Maverick]

I do not believe it is possible to have a common element in a T-square configuration when you consider the attributes of the polarity pairs that compose the opposition. However, as the chart below illustrates, the modality and gender of any natural polarity pair must be the same:

Aries: Fire, Cardinal, Masculine
Libra: Air, Cardinal, Masculine

Taurus: Earth, Fixed, Feminine
Scorpio: Water, Fixed, Feminine

Gemini: Air, Mutable, Masculine
Sagittarius: Fire, Mutable, Masculine

Cancer: Water, Cardinal, Feminine
Capricorn: Earth, Cardinal, Feminine

Leo: Fire, Fixed, Masculine
Aquarius: Air, Fixed, Masculine

Virgo: Earth, Mutable, Feminine
Pisces: Water, Mutable, Feminine

Now let us examine the two possible T-squares of each Grand Cross--the Cardinal Cross, the Fixed Cross, and the Mutable Cross--of which the T-square is essentially "missing a leg":

The Cardinal Grand Cross:

Aries: Fire, Cardinal, Masculine
Libra: Air, Cardinal, Masculine
Cancer: Water, Cardinal, Feminine
Capricorn: Earth, Cardinal, Feminine

The Cardinal T-Squares:

Aries: Fire, Cardinal, Masculine
Libra: Air, Cardinal, Masculine
Cancer: Water, Cardinal, Feminine

Aries: Fire, Cardinal, Masculine
Libra: Air, Cardinal, Masculine
Capricorn: Earth, Cardinal, Feminine

The Fixed Grand Cross:

Taurus: Earth, Fixed, Feminine
Scorpio: Water, Fixed, Feminine
Leo: Fire, Fixed, Masculine
Aquarius: Air, Fixed, Masculine

The Fixed T-Squares:

Taurus: Earth, Fixed, Feminine
Scorpio: Water, Fixed, Feminine
Leo: Fire, Fixed, Masculine

Taurus: Earth, Fixed, Feminine
Scorpio: Water, Fixed, Feminine
Aquarius: Air, Fixed, Masculine

The Mutable Grand Cross:

Gemini: Air, Mutable, Masculine
Sagittarius: Fire, Mutable, Masculine
Virgo: Earth, Mutable, Feminine
Pisces: Water, Mutable, Feminine

The Mutable T-Squares:

Gemini: Air, Mutable, Masculine
Sagittarius: Fire, Mutable, Masculine
Virgo: Earth, Mutable, Feminine

Gemini: Air, Mutable, Masculine
Sagittarius: Fire, Mutable, Masculine
Pisces: Water, Mutable, Feminine

Thus, although the individual aspects composing your Taurus-Virgo-Scorpio combination may meet the required orb settings, this may not be considered a T-square configuration by some astrologers.

You may wish to explore the thread An Introduction to Element, Modality, and Gender (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1864) for more information ;)

Arian Maverick

[Mary]

I believe, not sure I have a grand cross, at least a T-cross...

My moon and asc in Gemini is at a 3-4º orb squaring my mars in libra which is also squaring my neptune in sagitarius with a 4-5º degree orb. A weird gemini-libra-sagitarius t-cross, or what?

Astro.com aldo includes and opposition between mars in libra and venus in pisces, 10º orb (I desagree with this, too wide orb)

So, if I take into account what you mentioned Beth, the real grand cross in my chart would be opposition between MC and saturn-IC (Aries- Libra) with my nodal axis (Cancer - Capricorn)

I wonder what is the opinion of forum members regarding this issue...

[danny99star]

I agree with Arian Maverick. I don't think a T-square can be formed in Taurus-virgo-scorpio. The virgo has to be "Leo". It would be helpful for you to understand the grouping of Cardinal, Fixed, and Mutable signs.

[Mary]

but if you actually have the two squares an the opposition, if this is not a ´-square....

What it is then? How does that energy works? Tensional or non tensional? Not so tensional? How?

Let´s try to be argumentative with our opinions.

Wilsontc said I do have a grand cross in my chart. That would be a gemini, libra, sagitarius and pisces. Yes quite weird, but his argumentation is that all of them are in cadent houses. Quite interesting.

I say no matter where sign or house the planets are, they are vibration at a 90º (the tighter the orb is the better), extremely frictional and active aspect.

May be a square between cancer and libra would be more tensional and maybe more diffucult to resolve.
But if asc is at 29º gem and mars is at 1º libra, the orb is tight and the friction is evident, since the points/planets involved are is same polarity and element it maybe easier to reslove the tension, but the tension existis.

To sum up, in my opinion a square is a square, an opposition is an oppostion, and etc... if the orb is tight maybe 4º-5º, the aspect is activated.