Progressions and Solar Arcs Forming Grand Cross

[freedomlover]

I just noticed this pattern in a friend's chart:

Progressed/Solar Arc Sun at 9' Cap in the 1st opposing Progressed Mars Rx at 9' Cancer in the 7th, also the location of his natal Orcus Rx in Cancer exactly. Solar Arc Moon at 9' Libra in the 10th opposing natal Eris Rx at 9' Aries in the 4th.also the location of his natal Orcus Rx in Cancer exactly.

So a grand cross in cardinal signs in angular houses ..... what do you think? The exactness of the aspects was quite startling, as I did not see this one coming. Guess I should keep a better eye on Solar Arcs from now on.

Also at this 9' mark... he has natal Mercury Rx/Neptune conjunct at 9/10 degrees Scorpio in the 11th. So all the aspects above are tightly aspecting this conjunction, as well.

I'm seeing some sort of leadership crisis forming... but don't know where to go from there in interpretation.

Any thoughts?

[gemini59]

Where the Solar arc sun is the same as where it would be if it was progression. The solar arc moon is in the same aspect position to the sun as it always is ...I do not thing the solar arc sun and moon show you anything new.
I would not combine progressions and solar arcs Now the progressed sun and progressed mars is meaningful and alarming. Progression of sun to mars and in opposition point to turbulent times. The idea is that the will to achieve is increased thus a tendency to over reach oneself may lead to accidents. Hard aspects can correspond to domestic breakups.

[freedomlover]

Where the Solar arc sun is the same as where it would be if it was progression. The solar arc moon is in the same aspect position to the sun as it always is ...I do not thing the solar arc sun and moon show you anything new.
I would not combine progressions and solar arcs Now the progressed sun and progressed mars is meaningful and alarming. Progression of sun to mars and in opposition point to turbulent times. The idea is that the will to achieve is increased thus a tendency to over reach oneself may lead to accidents. Hard aspects can correspond to domestic breakups.

Thanks so much Cassandra!

You're right. Progressed Sun and Solar Arc Sun are the same - 9' Cap. I'll change it to Progressed Sun opposite Progressed Mars Rx.

However, the Solar Arc Moon is different from Progressed Moon.
Solar Arc Moon is 9' Libra/10th
Progressed Moon is 11'Gemini in natal 6th.
Natal Moon is 19' Leo in the 8th.

[gemini59]

Solar arcs are interesting. Instead of just the sun moving oneish degree per year the whole chart moves oneish degree per year thus the relationships between planets remain the same. Thus whatever apects Sun and moon formed in the natal that will just keep moving forward. You do not look at the aspects the solar arc planets make to themselves as they stay constant you look at the aspects they make to natal planets and angles. Hope this makes sense .

[freedomlover]

Solar arcs are interesting. Instead of just the sun moving oneish degree per year the whole chart moves oneish degree per year thus the relationships between planets remain the same. Thus whatever apects Sun and moon formed in the natal that will just keep moving forward. You do not look at the aspects the solar arc planets make to themselves as they stay constant you look at the aspects they make to natal planets and angles. Hope this makes sense .

Yes, thanks for clarifying that. It started to hit me after I made the last post and laid down for a nap. I started to come and change my post, but I was too sleepy.:sleeping: Yes, I see that he has a natal exact Sun/Moon square, and so the Solar Arc Sun and Moon are exactly square.

However, the natal is Sun 19' Scorpio/11th square Moon 19' Leo/8th.
Solar Arc Sun is 9' Cap/1st square Moon 9' Libra/10th. The difference is not in the fact that they are square but in the fact that they have changed signs and houses, and are now in a grand cross with Progressed Mars Rx at 9' Cancer/7th and natal Eris Rx at 9' Aries in the 4th.

Okay, I think we should both be on the same page now. LOL

Thanks again Cassandra. I appreciate you responding.

[Frisiangal]

Freedomlover:
Progressed/Solar Arc Sun at 9' Cap in the 1st opposing Progressed Mars Rx at 9' Cancer in the 7th, .............. Solar Arc Moon at 9' Libra in the 10th


I tried to find it again without success but in her book 'Predictive Astrology' Bernadette Brady mentioned the significance of aspects between progressed planets that are not aspected in the natal chart. I can't remember the exact wording but it had something to do with taking an entirely new and untried direction.....reminded me of a Pluto transit....not shown within the natal chart. As the planets are not linked natally, the life changing nature of the progression aspect has quite a profound effect upon the individual for the rest of his/her life.

I always tie in the effect of solar arc planets (3 year....applying, exact, separating) to progressed. In the case above, the effect of the S.A. Moon upon the individual (progressed Sun) is always in a square aspect because they are on the same degree natally and S.A. directions are calculated at the same motion as the Sun. Yet both have been building up steadily over the last year towards progressed Mars. The S.A. Moon effect is now exact, and will wear off throughout the next year. It would be more influential if it has rulership over the 7th house of personal partnerships, and progressed Mars' position in it. Interpretation would depend upon whether Mars has been in the natal house since birth, turned retro. in the 7th house, or progressed into the 7th house from the 6th and THEN turned retro. The progressed Sun (himself) is now consciously aware of what is occuring and is in a position to make the personal choices in emotionally coming to terms with, and dealing with it.

Many circumstantial interpretations are possible, depending upon the house rulerships of Sun and Mars which are drawn into the configuration and are consequential to that which is now occuring of a 1st-7th house nature.

Frisiangal

[freedomlover]

I tried to find it again without success but in her book 'Predictive Astrology' Bernadette Brady mentioned the significance of aspects between progressed planets that are not aspected in the natal chart. I can't remember the exact wording but it had something to do with taking an entirely new and untried direction.....reminded me of a Pluto transit....not shown within the natal chart. As the planets are not linked natally, the life changing nature of the progression aspect has quite a profound effect upon the individual for the rest of his/her life.

I always tie in the effect of solar arc planets (3 year....applying, exact, separating) to progressed. In the case above, the effect of the S.A. Moon in the 10th upon the individual (progressed Sun) has been building up steadily over the last year, is now exact, and will wear off throughout the next year. It would be more influential because of its rulership over the 7th house of personal partnerships, and progressed Mars' position in it. Interpretation would depend upon whether Mars has been in the natal house since birth, turned retro. in the 7th house, or progressed into the 7th house from the 6th and THEN turned retro. The progressed Sun (himself) is now consciously aware of what is occuring and is in a position to make personal choices in emotionally coming to terms with, and dealing with it.

Many circumstantial interpretations are possible, depending upon the house rulerships of Sun and Mars which are drawn into the configuration and are consequential to that which is now occuring of a 1st-7th house nature.

Frisiangal

Thank you so much for replying, Frisiangal!

That is the feeling that I've been getting for him.... a life-changing new direction. And, yes, it started about 3 years ago. I didn't know Solar Arcs could be felt that far in advance.

Natally, he has Mars in Cancer in the 7th. But I checked, and it went retrograde shortly after he was born. It's been awhile since I checked, and I can't recall exactly.. but I remember it was when he was very young... as young as 2 -3 weeks to as old as 2-3 years...somewhere in that time frame. He is now 48, so Mars has been retrograde pretty much his whole life. Regiomontanus puts his Prog. Mars Rx at the cusp of his 5th/6th house. Placidus puts it squarely in his 5th.

Of interest, too, since you mention Pluto... His Progressed Pluto and North Node in Virgo, natally in the 9th, have moved into his Progressed 7th, and are now exactly conjunct- so making an exact sextile with his Mars Rx in Cancer in the 5th house.

I can post a chart if you need the visual.

FL

[Frisiangal]

[QUOTE=freedomlover]
Of interest, too, since you mention Pluto... His Progressed Pluto and North Node in Virgo, natally in the 9th, have moved into his Progressed 7th, and are now exactly conjunct- so making an exact sextile with his Mars Rx in Cancer in the 5th house.


I have a strong feeling that you're looking for hopefuls.:wink:

I don't personally believe it possible to pick out one or two aspects and place an importance upon them for a theme at any particular time. The cliché of 'taking the whole chart into consideration' is, imho, necessary. What other planets have also moved backwards into a house as well that will effect any interpretation one could make? What happened when they went through previous (backward) houses to the one they are in now, that are also going to effect how the individual perceives his/her life at any given time?
The progression of house cusps, whereby natal/progressed/Solar Arc direction planets come under the influence of a previous house, is an application of itself of which I have never read one single word in book/article form applying examples, let alone a meaning to them. The method is the complete opposite of natal planets moving directly forward or retrograde backward through their own progression. So; what would be the connection between the two techniques?

Pluto and node move very slowly, so an exact progressive aspect would most probably entail a close natal conjunction between them in/applied to the natal 9th house anyway. If the natal/progressed conjunction is sextile the natal 5th house Mars, how would this ongoing aspect be effected by the realm of the 7th house now engulfing them? Which progressive house is engulfing natal Mars and how can this be applied to/expressed in to-day's energy level existence that will also effect the 7th house? What's going on via transits/progressions/directions/ progressed house cusps in the rest of the chart. Phew.....my simple analytical, factual mind boggles:biggrin:.

Maybe an interesting hypothesis for discussion in its own thread?

Frisiangal

[freedomlover]

quoting Frisiangal:
I have a strong feeling that you're looking for hopefuls.:wink:Why... however did you arrive at that conclusion? :biggrin: (blushes)

I don't personally believe it possible to pick out one or two aspects and place an importance upon them for a theme at any particular time. The cliché of 'taking the whole chart into consideration' is, imho, necessary. What other planets have also moved backwards into a house as well that will effect any interpretation one could make? What happened when they went through previous (backward) houses to the one they are in now, that are also going to effect how the individual perceives his/her life at any given time?
The progression of house cusps, whereby natal/progressed/Solar Arc direction planets come under the influence of a previous house, is an application of itself of which I have never read one single word in book/article form applying examples, let alone a meaning to them. The method is the complete opposite of natal planets moving directly forward or retrograde backward through their own progression. So; what would be the connection between the two techniques? I know what happened when Mars went through his 6th. That's why I'm hopeful about the 5th. :wink: Btw, I didn't notice it was now in the 5th until you pointed out to look for it.

Pluto and node move very slowly, so an exact progressive aspect would most probably entail a close natal conjunction between them in/applied to the natal 9th house anyway. If the natal/progressed conjunction is sextile the natal 5th house Mars, how would this ongoing aspect be effected by the realm of the 7th house now engulfing them? Which progressive house is engulfing natal Mars and how can this be applied to/expressed in to-day's energy level existence that will also effect the 7th house? What's going on via transits/progressions/directions/ progressed house cusps in the rest of the chart. Phew.....my simple analytical, factual mind boggles:biggrin:.Yes, I'm trying to follow you - alot of it is new to me. Are you saying posting a chart would help? :sideways: Let me know if you would like to see the chart or want birth data.

Maybe an interesting hypothesis for discussion in its own thread?From what I was able to follow.. yes, I think it would. You have the honors, if you choose to do so...:rightful:


Thanks again, Frisiangal!

[astrologer50]

without 'seeing' the chart very little further can be commented :)....

[freedomlover]

without 'seeing' the chart very little further can be commented :)....
As you wish......


The only charts I'm able to access are Astrodienst - and as wonderful as they are, the combination natal, progressed, solar arc is kind of hard to read. I wish they could do a tri-wheel instead! Anyway, I uploaded that one, as well as a natal and a progressed by themselves. Hope something in all that is readable. If you (or anyone) wants birth data, let me know, and I will pm.

Thanks!