Question for spiritually advanced people

[RuledbySaturn]

Hi, I took a 12-year break from God so can't remember how I used to do it, but my question is this: I have a question and asked God for an answer, but I haven't received a clear answer yet. So I'm not sure what to do.

I've read that one should never "want" an answer, and that one should just relax and that the answer will supposedly come at the "perfect time." But the thing is, I have a deadline. Or maybe it's a possiblilty that God thinks it's best that I postpone the action anyway therefore no answers yet? Or maybe I'm supposed to figure this one out myself? Or maybe God haven't figured it out either?

I am not allowed to consult psychics, tarot cards, "spirit guides" etc. due to my background. I can only channel from the Creator. If you've had similar obstacles, what have you done before to receive an answer? Thanks.

[waybread]

Gosh. I am not spiritually advanced, but I know where you are coming from. So just some thoughts from an unenlightened person.

1. God helps those who help themselves. I realize that the Bible and conventional religions emphasize the efficacy of prayer, but sometimes it can be a way for people to project their own personal power, maturity, and critical thinking abilities away from themselves, and affix it to a divine power who has all the answers. Well, if human beings were really meant to live this way on a routine basis, our survival rate would be way, way, down.

Sometimes choices have no easy answers, and they have negative consequences no matter what one chooses. There is a Spanish proverb that goes: "God says, 'Do what you will and pay the price.'"

2. If you are a religious person, and one of your choices involves something that is even mildly unethical, choose the other one.

3. Read the Bible at random [or other scripture if you belong to another religion.] I do this when something troubles me. I generally don't turn to a specific passage that I am looking for, but rather just let the Bible open randomly. Sometimes a line of scripture will just pop out at me. If I think about it, I generally benefit.

4. Maybe it doesn't ultimately matter which option you choose.

5. If you follow astrology sufficiently to be a member of this Forum, look to your north node. It is where your growth lies. One of your choices may point more strongly in its direction.

Good luck, RBS!

[Virinchi]

you got the ans already

God thinks it's best that I postpone the action

[EJ53]

...But the thing is, I have a deadline...

You've asked....The answer will come when the time is right.....perhaps in the form of arriving after your deadline.:sideways:

EJ

[sageofaquarius]

Hi, I took a 12-year break from God so can't remember how I used to do it, but my question is this: I have a question and asked God for an answer, but I haven't received a clear answer yet. So I'm not sure what to do. ... But the thing is, I have a deadline. ... I am not allowed to consult psychics, tarot cards, "spirit guides" etc. due to my background. I can only channel from the Creator.

And God said:

"So, you bugger off for 12 years and think you can just saunter back and demand I sort out some trivial nonsense that's suddenly bothering your conscience? Well, I can tell you I've a few more important things to deal with at the moment what with Saturn castrating Uranus and a minor star in the 19th arrondisement of Hallelujah about to go satanova, destroying a planetful of people who've done nothing worse than spend their whole lives worshipping me.

"If I were you I'd get down on my knees and PRAY, because that's what you used to do when you were little, isn't it? And if I was you, I'd pray hard, 'cos after 12 years I've all but forgotten the sound of your voice.

"Deadline? Schmeadline! The only deadline worth bothering with as far as I'm concerned is the line between being alive and dead. And you're not there yet because you've not done enough good to interest me nor enough evil to interest him. You want to know when I'll give you my answer? In 12 years, that's when. By Jove, yes.

"And for your information I only ever channel through psychics, tarot card readers and spirit guides. I know your background - you're from a long line of egotistical nutters. My name is GOD not VOD, and it doesn't stand for God-On-Demand. It stands for Good Old Dad. Or Saturn, as you seem pleased to call me."

Here endeth this morning's lesson.

[piercethevale]

My Friend. I advise you to use a repetitive prayer of affirmation [or if you prefer, call it a mantra] to then be your guide.
I at one time used; "None But The Will Of Christ"...it is most effective! ...If you are of some denomination other than Christianity, let me know because I know of many of these appropriate to other sects of belief.
Get Rudhyars book on the Sabian Symbols and read the chapter; "Binary Relationships Between Astrological Signs"...Rudhyar gets into yoga in this section and explains how these mantras/prayers are so effective in manifesting the desired/envisioned outcome. It takes envisioning, meditation/concentration and WORD.
Thus if you 'manifest' none but the will of Christ as your guide you can't go wrong.
A wise man once said that God is [and I'm paraphrasing here] like the CEO of a huge corporation and God doesn't know the names of all his employees...[this man also said that God doesn't look upon his creation to see individuals but God sees/recognizes the good works that one does and that advances one in Gods' favor]...that's where your archetypes come in...to intercede for you on your behalf to God...THEY bring you [I]personally to Gods' attention...hence why Christ said ...I Am The Light & The Way!

[astrologer50]

Hi, I took a 12-year break from God so can't remember how I used to do it, but my question is this: I have a question and asked God for an answer, but I haven't received a clear answer yet. So I'm not sure what to do.

I've read that one should never "want" an answer, and that one should just relax and that the answer will supposedly come at the "perfect time." But the thing is, I have a deadline. Or maybe it's a possiblilty that God thinks it's best that I postpone the action anyway therefore no answers yet? Or maybe I'm supposed to figure this one out myself? Or maybe God haven't figured it out either?

I am not allowed to consult psychics, tarot cards, "spirit guides" etc. due to my background. I can only channel from the Creator. If you've had similar obstacles, what have you done before to receive an answer? Thanks.

Well I'm a spiritualist, medium and clairvoyant, professional tarot card reader, astrologer, hypnotherapist with diploma in NLP. So how exactly did you figure out that you are not allowed to consult psychics, tarot cards readers etc. So, I suppose you are going to totally ignore my advice:crying:

"You are looking for the answers outside of yourself instead of inside hon. All the answers are inside of you as is your 'godspark' You are here to learn certain Lessons and God gave you Freewill" You are here to learn by your mistakes, but first you have to make them! If God answered all our questions, then nobody would question anything and we wouldn't have freewill would we??

Now by asking a question of God you are also addressing your subconscious mind, your inner child, and Higher Self. Your subconscious mind doesn't know the difference between fact or fiction, reality or make believe, positive or negative and doesn't really care. What it does care about is your 'thinking' whatever you are focusing upon, obsessing out and putting emotion behind is 'creating your tomorrows' whether you like it or not, understand it or not. Your subconscious mind is really powerful and is bit like Genie and Aldin's lamp be careful what you wish for.

So the motto here is if you always focus on the negative and what's lacking and missing in your life, gues what your creating? Your mind is like your heart-- a muscle the more you use it, control it, use what God gave us and imagination, visualisations. Create in your mind your reality and God, your subconscious mind the the Universe will do everything it can to fulfil your life.... So be carefu of your thoughts, own your own power, do not give it away or abducate it to God or anyone -- cos if you do you've failed :biggrin:


Sageofaquarius,
Nice one, very apt and humerous....:biggrin:

[RuledbySaturn]

This one first: You've asked....The answer will come when the time is right.....perhaps in the form of arriving after your deadline.:sideways:LOL - but you are probably right...:wink:

And thanks to waybread and piercethevale for your posts, and cool posts from Virinchi and dhundhun, too.

Haizea: Yes, I used to be able to get answers without having to even ask the questions...I know I still can today, but after years of non-use it probably takes a little practice to get back into it. And you asked about my background: I've studied many different religions, both Eastern and Western. I've tried the psychic ways, too, but after encountering a few individuals such as sageofaquarius, one day, during an eclipse (perfect timing I guess), a strong and undeniable inner voice told me to stop consulting them immediately - I believe it was mostly due to the fact that I needed to learn "spiritual discernment" and that I can no longer blindly seek advice from people and spirits whose characters I do not know well (even though they may be more experienced than me in their fields), especially those who don't have my best interests at heart.

Astrologer50: Nothing wrong with being intuitive. Most successful people I know have highly developed instincts. While I know some people with this advantage will choose to work as professional psychics if it's their calling, these people I know simply think that they are good at what they do and good at making decisions - and they work in their chosen fields without knowing that many other people would acutally lable this gifts as "psychic abilities." In short, while I was specifically told to NOT channel from unknown sources outside of me and seek God and inner guidance instead, it doesn't mean that it bothers me what other people do, including whether or not they call their gifts "psychic abilities."

sageofaquarius: Attacks always come from a place of insecurity.

[GreenMist]

Inspired from watching Homer Simpson from the Simpson's T.V. show I can now give you the answer.

If you want an answer to your question, instead of asking god to answer, ask god for no answer.

i.e. Q. God, If you want me to run the marathon give me no answer.................. then accept this lack of a sign as the green light:w00t:

Remember, never follow up by asking the opposite of the question asked.:rightful:

[RuledbySaturn]

If you want an answer to your question, instead of asking god to answer, ask god for no answer.

i.e. Q. God, If you want me to run the marathon give me no answer.................. then accept this lack of a sign as the green light:w00t:LOL! LOL!

(Forced to laugh twice otherwise it wouldn't let me post - said it wasn't enough characters...)

[piercethevale]

Inspired from watching Homer Simpson from the Simpson's T.V. show I can now give you the answer.

If you want an answer to your question, instead of asking god to answer, ask god for no answer.

i.e. Q. God, If you want me to run the marathon give me no answer.................. then accept this lack of a sign as the green light:w00t:

Remember, never follow up by asking the opposite of the question asked.:rightful:


:lol::lol:...I have to laugh out loud too. There is a ton of truth in that.
The keywords down here are, 'Free Will'...Do as thy will... but obey the commandments...most esp. the "Golden Rule".

[GreenMist]

Just to be clear, which one is the golden rule? :unsure:

[piercethevale]

Just to be clear, which one is the golden rule? :unsure:

I'm sorry, I seemed to have caused some confusion. I wasn't directing that comment to you GreenMist, but rather to RuledbySaturn.

But in answer to your question ...The 'Golden Rule' is that one that goes something like, "Do Unto Others..As You Would Have Them Do Unto You."


...that is one precept that is held to be truth in all spiritual philosophies.
:innocent:

[GreenMist]

What if you are a person who likes to self harm?:whistling:

[piercethevale]

What? You're into flagellation?
...most sects refer to suicide as "The Ultimate Sin"...so I guess anything short of that?...Whatever floats your boat.

...Remember, Moses stood on a rock
and said to his men,
"You gotta part the waters if you don't want to swim."

...And Jesus stood on a rock
and said to his men,
"You gotta walk on the water if you don't want to swim"

...You gotta walk on the water if you don't want to swim,
[and Jonah's in the belly of the whale again],
you gotta walk on the water if you don't want to swim...

...from a song I wrote called "Walk on the water"...ptv

[RuledbySaturn]

I'm sorry, I seemed to have caused some confusion. I wasn't directing that comment to you GreenMist, but rather to RuledbySaturn.Why? LOL - I can tell you that I will happily accept it if it was done out of pure intent.

piercethevale, while I am careful to not judge or criticize people, I am someone who will absolutely state facts and assert my opinions instead of letting things happen to me :whistling:

The problem is, we are in the middle of mercury retrograde here, so it's tough. At the end of the day though, it's the intent I consider.

[RuledbySaturn]

What if you are a person who likes to self harm?:whistling:Then it's time to start working on that hit song, best-selling novel, or horror movies - lots of money to be made in those fields:rightful:

[piercethevale]

Why? LOL - I can tell you that I will happily accept it if it was done out of pure intent.

piercethevale, while I am careful to not judge or criticize people, I am someone who will absolutely state facts and assert my opinions instead of letting things happen to me :whistling:

The problem is, we are in the middle of mercury retrograde here, so it's tough. At the end of the day though, it's the intent I consider.

...my point was that the Keywords here, on Earth, really are "FREE WILL".
...the other point is you can choose to use your free will to succumb to the will of your guru, archetype, avatar et. al./whatever too...

..as I can't tell you what path to choose nor predict which one you will choose......and as [I]I assume you to be a spiritually evolved person I was just reminding you of the "Prime Directive" [to make a 'Star TreK' analogy] i.e. the "Golden Rule".

...Do what thy will...just don't harm anyone!

[RuledbySaturn]

...Do what thy will...just don't harm anyone!Ok, I'll try not to :D

[astrologer50]

And you don't see it as a possibility to communicate with God through a particular language apart from that symbolic (don't know how you do it) language you've been using up to now?

I have never thought of it that way myself, but I see it as possible because here, in Spain, 99% of us are at least baptized, but then each person lives religion in his/her unique style or not at all. For instance, there is a small TV channel where there are tarot readers; many of them are people in their 60s and they read the cards with a statue of a Virgin or a Christ by their side. That means those readers believe God is helping them, if not that it is indeed him the one communicating with them exactly.

I think this is a little presumptuous and misleading cos every medium, clairvoyant I have seen, talked to, worked with, read about knows they are not channelling God per se, but spirit, spirit helpers, guides or even relatives.

I suspect due the religion of the country is simply gives them a better press image to see the virgin mary or christ..... marketing and gimmickery come to mind. Then again wasn't Christ a fabulous clairvoyant and medium and prophesised certain things?

I have read lots and lots of books about mediumship, clairvoyance, spiritual matters and not one of them has said they channel God, maybe Christ on matters of healing, but that's a big maybe.... I have worked with Christ energy whilst teaching Shamballa MDH healing workshops as he has chosen the odd one to two to work with, but so has Buddah and some famous others.

[astrologer50]

I didn't understand that part. Could you please explain it in other words?

Have you heard of 'hands on healing?' spiritual healing? Think of the colours in a rainbow. The smallest arc is the lowest vibration ie; spiritual healing, next Reiki -- higher, stronger, lighter energy from 80's -- now from mid 90's Shamballa Multi dimensional healing with John Armitage (aka Hari Das) who channels all the Ascended Masters.... is the top colour/vibrational energy available to mankind to channel and use for healing. Shamballa gives you a direct line/hook up to your IM Presence/Higher Self and this is what I teach. I have also done some trance healing work and worked with spirit doctors to, really interested stuff. I hope this answers your questions.

Yes, the big JC and Buddah sometimes want to work with certain gifted evolved and spiritual channels/healers. In fact all Shamballa healers work with the Ascendend Masters.:biggrin:

http://www.shamballafoundation.org/
http://www.shamballaschool.org/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5Up6G190LU&feature=related
http://john-armitage.net/default.aspx
http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~drdas/p2.htm
http://www.raysofhealinglight.com/300_shamballaMDH.htm

Shamballa is also said to be the capital of Inner Earth/Hollow Earth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ELtOYvMyKM
http://www.lightworkers.org/blog/37625/glactic-federation-light-shamballa-and-the-inner-earth
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Hollow-Earth-Imagining-Fantastical-Civilizations/dp/0306815338/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1253562370&sr=8-1
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=1ENo7Tmbk2wC&dq=inner+earth+shamballa&printsec=frontcover&source=in&hl=en&ei=J9e3SrjXMeej4gbarfF8&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=11#v=onepage&q=&f=false
http://www.crystalinks.com/hollowearth.html

[astrologer50]

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=hanropQeAFAC&printsec=frontcover&dq=telos+dianne+robbins&ei=pue3SsqROYfaNcW6uNoP#v=onepage&q=&f=false

page 20

TELOS.
The Hollow Earth and the Underground Cities by Dianne Robbins
ISBN09700902-0-x
available from Amazon and prob Ebay

"The Governing City within Inner Earth is called Shamballa. It is located inside the very centre of the planet and can be accessed at either north or south pole of this planet."

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/search?index=books&linkCode=qs&keywords=097009020X

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Messages-from-the-Hollow-Earth-Book-Dianne-Robbins_W0QQitemZ190331259660QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK _Books_Fiction_GL?hash=item2c50a08b0c&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Telos-Original-Transmissions-from-the-Dianne-Robbins_W0QQitemZ390087869599QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK _Books_Fiction_GL?hash=item5ad30c849f&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

[piercethevale]

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=hanropQeAFAC&printsec=frontcover&dq=telos+dianne+robbins&ei=pue3SsqROYfaNcW6uNoP#v=onepage&q=&f=false

page 20

TELOS.
The Hollow Earth and the Underground Cities by Dianne Robbins
ISBN09700902-0-x
available from Amazon and prob Ebay

"The Governing City within Inner Earth is called Shamballa. It is located inside the very centre of the planet and can be accessed at either north or south pole of this planet."

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/search?index=books&linkCode=qs&keywords=097009020X

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Messages-from-the-Hollow-Earth-Book-Dianne-Robbins_W0QQitemZ190331259660QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK _Books_Fiction_GL?hash=item2c50a08b0c&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Telos-Original-Transmissions-from-the-Dianne-Robbins_W0QQitemZ390087869599QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK _Books_Fiction_GL?hash=item5ad30c849f&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

...doesn't this "city" go by the name "Agartha" also [or is that just the name of an acess point in China.]?

...I've found there are a few different resources for this legend and they all seem to tie in with the 'GWB' [Great White Brotherhood... and not George Walker Bush! lol!:biggrin:]...
My lifetime subject of passionate study, Edgar Cayce, said that at times he was channeling info from the GWB and even St. Germain himself...all in all very curious stuff!
... I myself have run into a lot of these oriented/inclined people/groups as of late [Self proclaimed St. Germain disciple, advocate and author, Dorothy Leon, was my grammatical editor and content advisor provided by my publisher,TGS Publishing, at their discretion...I had never heard of Her before. Eeriely it turned out she was an old friend and associate of my good friend and fellow yogi, Suryakant...go figure! She is a lovely and very sincere woman who has written a number of books and ultimately was for me a resource of info for a couple of theories I've been tossing around.]...I also spent some time up at Mt. Shasta too this past year...awesome place...and as you probably already know, Astrologer50, Mt. Shasta is a 'grid point' of reknown as per in regard to the aforementioned legend/tale of "Shamballa".

[astrologer50]

John Armitage meditations on Youtude

Shamballa Meditations part 1 Introduction and Breathing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqhMorxSzm8

Just listening to his voice seems to just make you relax..... as with all hypnotherapy, it's the voice, tonality, slowness which induces deep relaxation...There are lots more to go through if it interests you on YouTube..

Am pretty sure you can buy the full version from the shamballa foundation or shop though.

Now I belong to various healing organisations and here is a really fasincating one called Empower-disc by an Israeli born, half english man called Coby Zvikler. His disc and system gives you the opportunity, link, communication directly with your IAM Prescence, or Higher Self in a language it understands and will work with you on.....

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soBOotdOGeE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66dcfd-OwH8&NR=1

[astrologer50]

piercthevale,
I also spent some time up at Mt. Shasta too this past year...awesome place...and as you probably already know, Astrologer50, Mt. Shasta is a 'grid point' of reknown as per in regard to the aforementioned legend/tale of "Shamballa".

Yes course I know this, this is the gateway/door to underground city, as detailed in TELOS book by Dianne Robbins and others...
Telos is a lemurian colony. Collectively the inner earth is known as Agartha, but the capital is Shamballa...


My lifetime subject of passionate study, Edgar Cayce, said that at times he was channeling info from the GWB and even St. Germain himself...all in all very curious stuff!

I like his work to, I have gone through past life regressions and one of them was with the GWB-- it was just meant to remind me of what I was here to do and the skills I had learnt in that lifetime. Yes I agree all very interesting stuff indeed


I myself have run into a lot of these oriented/inclined people/groups as of late [Self proclaimed St. Germain disciple,
Well I have been in his (John Armitage's) workshop and feel he is the 'real deal' and can only go from personal experiences...

[piercethevale]

Greetings. Just for the record I wish to state I may have done Dorothy Leon a dis-service by calling her a "self proclaimed disciple" of St. Germain.
Well, basically there is no other known kind of disciple as St. Germain is not known to have made any public announcements to corroborate such claims...in fact it is only legend that such an entity does exist...but it's got a lot of evidence to support it.

[RuledbySaturn]

And you don't see it as a possibility to communicate with God through a particular language apart from that symbolic (don't know how you do it) language you've been using up to now?Of course it's a possibility! I know two people in my life, one goes to a Buddist temple, the other goes to a Christian church. They are both awesome, successful people leading very happy lives. Of course, the Buddist is always inviting people to go to his temple, while the Christian is always inviting people to go to her church - and needless to say, they each believe that his/her own religion is the "right path." And why not? It works for them and has lead them onto a path that they each are happy with, which is all that matters. There's more than one way to reach God, that's why I asked my question while explaining my background, so others can answer according to the context I provided because I figured, people from different backgrounds can always start their own thread, and get answers that would work specifically for them!

BTW, loved your idea earlier about praying to do one's best. And to update, EJ53 you were right, the answer did come without further trying on my part. All it took was taking two days off from work and not think about it, then it came while I was eating lunch lol:smile:

[astrologer50]

BTW, loved your idea earlier about praying to do one's best. And to update, EJ53 you were right, the answer did come without further trying on my part. All it took was taking two days off from work and not think about it, then it came while I was eating lunch lol:smile:


This sounds to me like your subconscious mind helping here.. Have you ever gone to bed mulling over and over a problem in your mind-- yes we have all done this--- then say within 1/2 next morning without even thinking about the problem it's as if someone has sliced to top of your head off and simply dropped in the answer---

your subconscious mind like I explained in earlier posts is like Genie and aldins lamp, BUT it doesn't know the difference between fiction or reality. So be careful of your thughts and always keep them positive...

[BOOGY99]

I am not allowed to consult psychics, tarot cards, "spirit guides" etc. due to my background. I can only channel from the Creator. If you've had similar obstacles, what have you done before to receive an answer? Thanks.[/QUOTE]



hi
you could always try dowsing for a YES or NO answer, i beleive it works for some people.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYwn0c-euYE

[astrologer50]

I am not allowed to consult psychics, tarot cards, "spirit guides" etc. due to my background. I can only channel from the Creator. If you've had similar obstacles, what have you done before to receive an answer? Thanks.



hi
you could always try dowsing for a YES or NO answer, i beleive it works for some people.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYwn0c-euYE[/QUOTE]

And guess where the answer from dowsing comes --- subconscious mind:w00t:

OR if you're really well spiritually evolved you can channel your I AM PRESCENSE OR HIGHER SELF :rightful: :biggrin:

[EJ53]

......EJ53 you were right, the answer did come without further trying on my part. All it took was taking two days off from work and not think about it, then it came while I was eating lunch

Yes......The subconscious is the soil......asking plants the seed......not thinking about it allows the seed to germinate in it's own time......and God knows why it works!:smile: