Was He Serious About Wanting Me To Call?

[freedomlover]

There is this guy that I've been friends with for about 2 years now. We met on-line, but there was immediately something familiar about him. We've only met in person once, but have been communicating in spurts for the last couple of years.

When our communication goes into downtime, I do not try to keep it up because:
a) I have this thing about assuming that people don't want to talk to me/don't like me.
b) He is in a committed relationship.

We've been brother-sister-type friendly to each other, and I have also talked with the woman he's with on the phone a few times. She seemed cool with me talking to him. He does have several female friends. He keeps showing up in my dreams, as if there is some important reason we met.

Anyway, the Mercury Rx brought him back into the picture again. He's phoned a couple of times and talked for an extended period of time. When we ended our last conversation, he made a point to ask me to call him - keep in touch. My question is: was he just being polite, or was he seriously wanting me to keep in touch more often?

I've been going through a period for the last few years of losing and weeding out relationships, till I have almost no friends left - so I'm very open to developing some healthy close relationships. I'm also very wary of developing any kind of relationship, too, based on my past history. Hence my question and reason for this thread.

My take on the chart:

I am Moon, which rules both the 1st and the 2nd house. The Moon is at 7 degrees Gemini in my 12th house. Since he is strictly a friend, I would take him as the ruler of the 11th. That would be Mars in Cancer in my house. The Moon disposits Mars. Moon is his turned 2nd house - what would that mean?

The ruler of my 3rd is the Sun in Virgo, conjunct Pallas in Virgo, in my 4th house. Since the turned 3rd of the 11th is the same as the ascendant, I'm assuming I would look to what Mercury is doing? Mercury is at 5 degrees Libra, retrograde in my 4th house. So my communication sig of the Sun in Virgo, is in my 4th, as well as Mercury Rx in Libra. Moon is just separating from a trine to Mercury.

Also of interest, the 11th house is intercepted. The ruler of the intercepted part of the 11th is Venus in Leo, which is on the cusp of my 3rd house. Venus also disposits Mercury Rx in Libra.

Part of Fortune is at 17 degrees Libra in my 4th, as well - conjunct Ceres in Libra.

I don't know faces and terms and all of that, so I can't elaborate any further. I don't see any connection, other than that the Moon will sextile Venus in Leo. What does it mean that the comm. sig, Mercury, and POF are all in the same house - anything?

Thanks to all who will help!

[freedomlover]

Wouldn't anyone like to try their hand at this? All replies are welcome - even if you're a newbie just practicing. I'll be your guinea pig. :biggrin:

[Lions215]

Okay I'm new,and really only have a little input.You said his turned second has you the Moon in it,and your second has Venus this is the house of self worth and it does wind up in a sextile.I think that it shows that you both feel good about yourselves and each other through the talks you have.So I think you answered ur own question by looking at the last aspect of the Moon.Look he called you,right?I think the sextile means you should make a little effort to call him sometimes.

[freedomlover]

Okay I'm new,and really only have a little input.You said his turned second has you the Moon in it,and your second has Venus this is the house of self worth and it does wind up in a sextile.I think that it shows that you both feel good about yourselves and each other through the talks you have.So I think you answered ur own question by looking at the last aspect of the Moon.Look he called you,right?I think the sextile means you should make a little effort to call him sometimes.

Thanks for your input, Lions215.

Yes, that would be an apt description, at least on my end - I feel good about myself - he is uplifting for me to talk to.

Actually, as to him calling ..... I'd called the week before, and he said his phone was messed up and he just got the message. It was his birthday. I was planning on calling him or emailing him anyway to wish him a happy birthday, but then he returned my call. Then, he didn't have much time to talk, so he asked me to call again later that night. I did, but he didn't answer. He then called me the next morning and talked for an hour or so, saying he was tied up the night before. That's when he told me to stay in touch.

I guess part of the reason for this question is that I DO all of the initiation of the calls. When we first met, it was HE who did all the calling - now it's me. I guess since he stopped initiating calls, I'm wondering if I was being a pest by continuing to initiate the calls. I guess part of my question was, if he wants to talk to me, why doesn't he initiate some calls to me? You see? I'm still concerned that it's all on my end, and he's just being polite.

Any other takers?

[freedomlover]

Also, if you were to use the 7th house as the other person, as so many horarists do, then the chart would read a little differently:

He would be Saturn in Virgo, as would his turned third. Saturn is in my 4th house - his turned 10th. Mercury as co-sig for communication is going to retrograde back in to a conjunction with Saturn in the 4th. POF is in Libra in the 4th, as well.

Moon in Gemini will square Saturn, but with interference from the Sun, ruler of the 3rd. It will get a sextile to Venus, ruler of intecepted 11th and the 5th. And it will get a nice trine to Jupiter Rx in Aquarius - 8th. THEN it will square Saturn.

Any thoughts as to why Saturn, Mercury and POF are all in the 4th?

[aquarius7000]

Hi,

Right, let's first start with him as your 11th (friend), which makes him Mars in your 1st, so he is important to you and has made his mark where you're concerned;). Now, Mars (he) is angular, so he took action, but he is in fall in Cancer, so weak, perhaps not knowing what exactly he is looking for, or has personal problems. Since Mars is in Jup's terms (Jup is weak), which is rx, buried in the chart's 8th, maybe he is having some problems and does need to talk to someone (speculating), but is also unsure, though there is nothing to show insincerity there. Interestingly enough, Mars is his 3rd, your 1st, and he called to communicate with you.

You are the Moon, in your 12th house - unsure about what to do, but wanting to communicate (Moon in Gem), but Mars and Moon don't connect here. Also, Moon's lord is rx Merc, moving away from POF. It has separated from its trine to the Moon (old communication came and left?) and its square to Mars (obstacles in the way, or simply indicating that long silence that broke off). However, it will not retrograde enough in the sign to sextile Mars, so won't help on its own much. Nonetheless, the Sun, your 3rd's lord, is going to meet Sat, his 3rd's lord, both in the chart's 4th (end of matter), so communication will happen, but from your side (Sun goes to meet Sat), perhaps not all that easily (as you said, you hesitate) due to the above, and you withdrawing yourself and ruminating in the 12th (cadent, weak in action) plus Merc rx.

Now, if we take him as the 7th (simply the other person), things become a bit simpler, and the previous para is valid - with the Sun on its way to meet Sat in the 4th (end of matter, with POF also there). All in all, despite no connection between the Moon and Saturn, I do think, after some hesitation and overcoming of doubts (you are still in your 12th), communication from your side will happen, since lots of 3rd house indicators from both sides. Note also that the Sun is in Sat's (his) terms, whilst Sat is in Mars' terms located in your 1st and lord of your 11th (hopes and wishes, and friendship).


:)AQ7

[freedomlover]

Thank you so much, aquarius7000!

You are such a dear :innocent: for helping me with this - and for doing it both ways, no less! I think that was an excellent delineation of the chart!

I've really got to remember to start checking the terms - I always look over that part. That adds a whole other level of interpretation to a chart.

I do think he has some things on his mind that he can't talk to his wife about. I know he is quite psychic and has a gift of healing. We live in a rural Bible Belt area - and his wife is Baptist.

I'm still wondering what Sun and Saturn and POF all being in the 4th house could mean. There has to be some significance to that. You pointed it out, too - but did not go into any explanation. Is there one?

FL
Hi,

Right, let's first start with him as your 11th (friend), which makes him Mars in your 1st, so he is important to you and has made his mark where you're concerned;). Now, Mars (he) is angular, so he took action, but he is in fall in Cancer, so weak, perhaps not knowing what exactly he is looking for, or has personal problems. Since Mars is in Jup's terms (Jup is weak), which is rx, buried in the chart's 8th, maybe he is having some problems and does need to talk to someone (speculating), but is also unsure, though there is nothing to show insincerity there. Interestingly enough, Mars is his 3rd, your 1st, and he called to communicate with you.

You are the Moon, in your 12th house - unsure about what to do, but wanting to communicate (Moon in Gem), but Mars and Moon don't connect here. Also, Moon's lord is rx Merc, moving away from POF. It has separated from its trine to the Moon (old communication came and left?) and its square to Mars (obstacles in the way, or simply indicating that long silence that broke off). However, it will not retrograde enough in the sign to sextile Mars, so won't help on its own much. Nonetheless, the Sun, your 3rd's lord, is going to meet Sat, his 3rd's lord, both in the chart's 4th (end of matter), so communication will happen, but from your side (Sun goes to meet Sat), perhaps not all that easily (as you said, you hesitate) due to the above, and you withdrawing yourself and ruminating in the 12th (cadent, weak in action) plus Merc rx.

Now, if we take him as the 7th (simply the other person), things become a bit simpler, and the previous para is valid - with the Sun on its way to meet Sat in the 4th (end of matter, with POF also there). All in all, despite no connection between the Moon and Saturn, I do think, after some hesitation and overcoming of doubts (you are still in your 12th), communication from your side will happen, since lots of 3rd house indicators from both sides. Note also that the Sun is in Sat's (his) terms, whilst Sat is in Mars' terms located in your 1st and lord of your 11th (hopes and wishes, and friendship).


:)AQ7

[aquarius7000]

FL, sorry about responding only today, but just been very busy. Actually, I had already touched on the placement of the Sun and Sat in the 4th house (end of the matter). As I said, with the Sun signifying your 3rd house of communication and Sat his plus him, and both placed in the 4th, the matter could culminate with you contacting him (Sun goes to Sat). Perhaps Sat's (him) placement in your 4th (home) also shows some familiarity between you two. The placement of the POF also in the 4th should facilitate this. There, however, could be a certain delay/ element of unsurity/ even some miscommunication due to the lord of the 4th being weak through rx. Needless to say, in fact as already said in my previous post, the Moon (you) in the 12th already points at the doubts you are having.

:)AQ7

[freedomlover]

Hey AQ7!

Don't worry about it. Heaven knows, between my health and my ADD, I sometimes miss responding to posts for days. I'd be the last person to complain about someone having a delay in getting back to me. :whistling:

Okay, so you're referring to the 4th as "the end of the matter" then?
I was wondering if the 4th had any other meaning. And since I was wondering any other significance of the 4th house being end of the matter, I was wondering if the POF meant anything specific being in the 4th. But if you're only using the 4th for the end of the matter, then...okay, I see it.

Yeah, I've picked up the phone to call him several times, and just can't bring myself to do it for some reason.

Thanks again,

freedomlover

FL, sorry about responding only today, but just been very busy. Actually, I had already touched on the placement of the Sun and Sat in the 4th house (end of the matter). As I said, with the Sun signifying your 3rd house of communication and Sat his plus him, and both placed in the 4th, the matter could culminate with you contacting him (Sun goes to Sat). Perhaps Sat's (him) placement in your 4th (home) also shows some familiarity between you two. The placement of the POF also in the 4th should facilitate this. There, however, could be a certain delay/ element of unsurity/ even some miscommunication due to the lord of the 4th being weak through rx. Needless to say, in fact as already said, the Moon (you) in the 12th already points at the doubts you are having.

:)AQ7

[aquarius7000]

Yeah, I've picked up the phone to call him several times, and just can't bring myself to do it for some reason.
Both Sun (your 3rd) and (weak, cadent- inaction) Moon (you + heart of the chart) are disposited by the weak rx Mer, so this is raising doubts and vacillation in your head, so all of it resulting in delay in communication. Mars (being a malefic) placed in your 1st could spoil matters, too. However, due to the angular placement of the Sun and Sat, action is likely. Also, Merc (communication and end of the matter) is in Sat's (his) terms. Maybe, after the Merc rx period, things will start rolling, and, right now, you/your doubts are standing in the way.

:)AQ7

[freedomlover]

Aq7,

Yes, you were right. The Mercury station and turnaround did have a very pronounced effect on the situation. I called him today, and yes, he was serious about wanting me to call. No doubt from the conversation today.

Interesting... you said:Also, Merc (communication and end of the matter) is in Sat's (his) terms. His terms are Saturn's. Saturn is serious. Mercury is in Saturn's terms. So, I would see this as a literal answer to "Was he serious about wanting me to call?"


Thanks again for all your help, AQ7
Both Sun (your 3rd) and (weak, cadent- inaction) Moon (you + heart of the chart) are disposited by the weak rx Mer, so this is raising doubts and vacillation in your head, so all of it resulting in delay in communication. Mars (being a malefic) placed in your 1st could spoil matters, too. However, due to the angular placement of the Sun and Sat, action is likely. Also, Merc (communication and end of the matter) is in Sat's (his) terms. Maybe, after the Merc rx period, things will start rolling, and, right now, you/your doubts are standing in the way.

:)AQ7


To: Lions215

Okay I'm new,and really only have a little input.You said his turned second has you the Moon in it,and your second has Venus this is the house of self worth and it does wind up in a sextile.I think that it shows that you both feel good about yourselves and each other through the talks you have.So I think you answered ur own question by looking at the last aspect of the Moon.Look he called you,right?I think the sextile means you should make a little effort to call him sometimes.

You did a very good job, esp. since you're a beginner. The "feel good" vibration came through even stronger today. Thanks again for replying.