I challenge all of you.

[Mercury]

To each pick and post at least 5 underdog matches in September.

[banefranco]

What gets the winner?

[Mercury]

Nice to hear from you mate, how are you? Hope you are well.

Yes I think me and you should really take leadership of this forum together and encourage the younger

students to start predicting and give some much needed hope to others that choose this difficult discipline.

With your passion and sheer love of sports astrology I think we can put alot of myths to sleep here.

I will be running a public account of Frawley's technique on Cricket and Tennis finals.

I have been producing results for a year, but feel now that predictions must be posted. Underdog prediction wins in particular. Posting favourites to win is no good here arguably.



Now I have very little knowleege of the Colour method you use so if I try and present

what I can do with Frawley perhaps you too could try and show me some of your very

good work that I have read online.


Your passion, dedication and hard work are respectful. See you soon mate.

[banefranco]

First of all I do not use colour table anymore, none of them. I explained why, at this link http://astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18288
But I have never said that any colour table is wrong. It is for sure for use at some other areas but I do not use any of them at any cost here.
So I hope that you understand that here the only important thing is to find precize solutions for permanent right predicting no matter which method we use. But I am also sure that there is only one right way.
I agree with you that it is wisely to any of members to post freely the chart they are interested for. It is better to be wrong here than to make misses in private.More eyes can make prediction better. We can be better. We are not here to blame anyone of us might be sometimes discussion at the edge but no hard feelings.
So something about colour table, you can use not any but the most usefull table is from Miss Fensi88 it is ok for one coloured jerseys with bigger contrast.But take care when lighter red is in matter.Especially with mixed coloured jerseys. That is critical point for use.
About favourites and underdogs.Personaly I do not recognize favourites and underdogs only opposite teams. I do not care who is the favourite by whom just a pair. As I have the method to place teams at one event chart I do not care about favourites. That is vocabulary for gamblers and I insist I place bets but I am not a gambler. There is one thing I mentioned when one astrolger who wrote one book about this, mentioned 'favourites' he thought about ASC team and 'underdogs' are DSC team. Just some help when use some rules from that book.
Some of them work in tennis absolutely.But in Tennis.
Ok what I had to say and proved about that man who wrote the book you can find easily at this forum 'Sports astrology'.
That discussion for me is over.

[banefranco]

In tennis we can make discusion somewhere else here can be for soccer, but I found that there are no ASC player or DSC player I found only planet ruler from the player according to his birth data. and aspects that relate to those rulers. Moon aspects and POF aspects.and APOF. If there are no such aspects only Acc digs and Ess digs. Ess are less important.

[aquarius7000]

Welcome to the team, Mercury.:D Great idea there about encouraging fledgling sports' astrologers.

Right, so here's your first student, esp for cricket, if you will be preparing the pitch for it (and discussing it).

Some of the readings and delineations (re other sports) on here from some very talented members such as Goca, Banefranco.., to name a few, have clean bowled me. So, keep up the good work, and I will be a silent spectator trying to follow the game to learn it and waiting for the ball to hit the boundary.


Sportingly,
;)AQ7

PS: remember to give your own astro-reading (on which your predictions may be based) along with the chart, so we can keep all your sports' threads in the Sports'-Astrology section.:sideways:

[Mercury]

Yes thankyou for your warm reply Benefranco. And a thank you to the moderator for your kind words.

I have made an indepth study of Sophia Mason and found that to be unreliable for consistent prediction.

I studied Sepharials Keys and found a system that is workable but very confused at times to operate correctly.

Event charts in the Frawley technique have a spectacular and consistent success rate. I have produced consistent results in ODI Cricket matches.

I predicted the rise of England over South Africa, then to the collapse of England in the first match of a tour of India.

The West Indies matches I predicted excellent results from underdog predictions.

Predicted the underdog to take Australian Open in Tennis.

It is what Jhon said, it is focus.

When I focus on the astrology then I seem to gain results.

I intend to publically post all Cricket matches to March, predicting the result before the event.

I am confident of success. Around it we can further pool our ideas how to improve this.

we work as a team to take a system that works over time, and we develop it further even.

I would state after my study of a year and a quarter I would say all I see left to investigate is declinations and midpoints perhaps.

Midpoints can be very scientific and precise and arguably this school of thought is the best for sports astrology, but I yet need to pull the research in for that.

My first prediction will be posted on Thursday. We got two matches, The Challenge Rugby Cup final and a ODI England v Australia.

I believe this will stimulate debate and create much growth.

yours ever,
Mercury.

[LionKing]

Mercury... it sounds like we went the same path because I used the Sophia Mason method also. Not much luck with it. But hey it did get me started in Sports Astrology.

I use different methods to show win charts. But hate me if you will, I use different methods. I have never used the color chart. I do use favorites and underdog charts. For one thing... it speaks of logic field play. Also real time play which Ms. Roberts led me to it's use.

There are different ways... just use the one that works for you. Good luck! V/r LionKing

[banefranco]

Ok Gentleman, nice to have you here Lionking, please spend some time and visit respectful thread Premier league 2009-2010 opened by Replaycy.
There are some words about today match Liverpool-Aston Villa. There are some interesting facts.

[banefranco]

Now Mercury I would like you to have a privilege to open the thread Cricket to be the only place for that sport and noother.Also for other sports I will follow the England Premier at Replaycy's thread. Well for Tennis there are two threads the other can make a choice I will follow that choice.It will be easier for anyone to see specifically the things he is interested in.
About the methods we present well I am interested for the best and easiest, the quickest one, that is all.
About Mrs Sophia Maison method I cannot say anything I can only learn and watch.
About other methods who thinks that have working one or worth developing, free to express it.
That all, thanks to aquarius7000, I am honoured.

[banefranco]

About real time is it in a connection with link you gave to me Lionking?
If it is it will be interesting to explain it here or do explain it anyway.

[Mercury]

Yes thankyou Lion King for your reply and look forward to further contributions and advice

from you. Benefranco I will present my Cricket and final match predictions here and I will

follow any threads you are running with your technique.


With regards Mercury.

[banefranco]

Ok one proof that many matches can be predicted in one league I presented like predicting France 2 some months ago just becouse I wanted to place a proof.
AND IT WORKS. I am not saying anything without the proof. Anything.
As I do not want even for educational purposes to wait next year to predict one soccer match. That is out of mind to me. Or to give some rules that can happen once in a century.Who will stay alive to check it or to brake it.
But if his rules are working for cricket that is great I would use them to predict cricket.
I have no success not any in Baseball just becouse I cannot even check any theory becouse I cannot find anywhere complete fondation date, just year.
Also I have no success in NBA, yet.

[Niplan]

ive been betting sing astrology for a week now;


45$ deposit...

"Total credits US$ 1147.27, total debits (US$ 1000.72), net activity US$ 146.55, ending balance US$ 146.55."

i bet on who wins, regardless of favored or not.

i just use a horary chart, and have high accuracy.

[LionKing]

Sing astrology? What is that? V/r LionKing

[Mercury]

Thank you for the very inspiring post Niplan, very good to hear success.

It must be remembered however that Urania (astrology) is like a very sexy woman, if you

keep trying to chat her up she leaves you.

It STOPS working when you use it mechanically.

Drawing a horary to ask will the favourite win will my my team wiil I profit, by the law

of God or astrologywhatever you call it, it will eventually crash.

Used infrequently it works good however.

Benefranco and Lion king what do you think?

[LionKing]

I do use "will I profit" from the event. But I will admit this... my natal AS is one key that I use in all events. Transit charts do mean something. Especially if you've had aspects in natal 5th sign H and your natal 5th and 2nd are in angle areas.
I won quite a lot back in 2006 on happenstance. But I remembered the time and I constructed a chart from that win. I was amazed at the time to see that my natal 2nd was in my natal AS degree and natal 5th sign was in the 4th H loaded with planets.
My thoughts on this are look at your past and look for times when you've won games and make a chart. Don't be surprised if you see natal AS degree and in the area of natal 2nd and 5th are in play. When ever this happens expect to win. I did. :devil: V/r LionKing

[Niplan]

i only do about 5 charts a day... i read somewhere i think on skyscript about lilly he had seen over 2,000 clients or something like that.. i dont think it matters how many times a day or how much you do it, as long as you don't do all the charts at once for the same thing.

i mean money won by betting on the favorite is still free money.

[banefranco]

Ha there are some themes I adore here well any discussion here is stimulating for all I think. Well I see Mercury you mentioned a woman I will be honest I become very confused about astrology when any is in my surrounding.
Ok I just follow the logic in anything except the relationship with women:love:.
So I claim that Solar system will not be enriched with any new planet, just becouse all of these presented now takes some definite roles.
The stars out there follow their way no matter what we do or what we want. That is why I think that I can check any quantity of charts any time.
I am also sure that if we place correct any number of matches start at the same time with let say nearly the same charts what means close area, any teams at sides ASC and DSC, we must get winners only at ASC or DSC not mixed. at least DRAW at some matches. I found that depends of Acc and Ess dignities if that difference is bigger that's better will be more winners or all of them.The point is there is no possibility to find winners at both sides. All darker jerseys or all lighter jerseys or as you wish with colours.
That also means the precize definition in nature and no exception. If there is any I would leave astrology but I am sure it will never happen.
I am writing about the same circumstances.
If I miss to predict right any match I always ask myself what I missed not if the stars are leasy. I have the problem, I am not good enough not them.
There are final definitions in the universe I just try to understand them.

[banefranco]

I also do not make any questions about profit. Simple I do not follow that way.
As I am not good enough in Natal I cannot use my natal chart and compare it with daily transits but I think that is more logical way. Natal chart is only yours (mine).
Well I have some friends women astrologers and ask them. Ha.

[banefranco]

I have already written about this but might be of some help to write here. If anyone follows what I explain about the steps we nedd to do when read the charts it is clear that I wnat to follow natural and simple rules as they are made from the begining.
I claim that any rule for follows must be simple so that is why I found colour table not perfect. Making decision about colours is personal view, making decision abot darker and lighter decision is stand alone rule. There are critical points but that is our personal ability to make that fine difference. I avoid just becouse I cannot make that difference that is all.
The next step is the answer about 'favourites. I recognize only two placements ASC DSC why? Becouse I see two opponents and two sides I do not see any underdogs.What I think is my personal opinion and not relevant for this matter.

The next is the strenth of the opponents. Logical way stronger opponent wins I just use the values out of my personal touch to find who is stronger.

The next are aspects. They show what they show not what i would like them to show and that is why astrology is the matter of knowledge and understanding and not the art. If I miss I learn more and more.

As you all can see it is important just to understand the signs. No personal opinion.We know or we do not know. That is why it is wisely to anyone to place any chart he wants and to compare with other's knowledge. We all know something that other do not, still. That is growing in personal.

[banefranco]

Ah there is always more. I use the 'event' chart for any match mo matter team sport or individual as I use Regiomontanus system houses. Why? Again, I do not care what some astrologers in the world say I do check as I suggest to all of you check any of the systems and see results, No personal touch. I found that Regiomontanus shows the standard time distance between aspect for goal and real time when the goal is scored. That is why I use it. I tried some others and that was whole mass, so I use Regiomontanus becouse of that. It shows constant results.

[Bulletbobb]

Mercury and Lion King have stated earlier in this thread that they have experimented with Sophia Mason's method of using diurnal charts for sports prediction, and found that her method did not work reliably. This is true, but the reason is, mainly, that Mason was using, as the birth chart for the team, a chart cast for the first game of the season, even if the team lost the game. My experience has been that if one uses a chart cast for the team's first win of the season, or, better yet, one of the true birth charts for the team, then her method has much merit. Her basic idea is sound, but her implementation was flawed.

I won't say any more here, because I have learned from experience that sports astrologers are totally fixated on the use of game charts for sports astrology, even tho the record shows that they don't work very well. All of this endless arguing about who goes in the first house! It all goes away with Mason's method.

PM me if you want to discuss her methods.

Bob

[Mercury]

Some interesting reading here, particularly from Lion King and Bullet Bob.

However I would politely like to bring up issue with Niplan in that his reasoning is flawed.

To draw five will I profit horary charts a day has never been possible many here would agree I am sure.

Secondly Lilly drew 2,000 charts a day, aside of the peculiar number there may I firmly

point out that HE DID NOT ASK THE QUESTIONS other people did.

However you may be correct, if you can put forward a proof of this I would be grateful.
:andy: