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06-06-2006, 09:38 PM
I'm a relatively new astrology student, and I'm afraid I'm not very good with integrating the components of the map.
I have Uranus, Saturn and Neptune in the 3rd house, in Capricorn and Sagittarius. And while I understand the meaning of each and how they will manifest through that house, I don't know how to see it as a whole and see the influence of the plants on one another and the how the person thinks.
Same trouble with the stellium in the 7th house...
I'm also not sure about the north node. It is in aries, and house 7 which seems conflicting, I also don't understand how the mercury and Jupiter conjunctions play a part here, and does it have to do with houses 3 and 9 which they rule?
In general, anything else you can help me understand on the map, little things that are not found at first sight, I would much appreciate it.
Thank you very much :)
06-07-2006, 05:05 AM
In the beginning, I suggest not looking at what houses planets rule...instead only look at where planets are focused in a chart. In the chart you attached there are three planets, each focused in the 3rd house (thinking). So the person is STRONGLY focused on thinking. The chart has a collection of energy (stellium) focused in the 7th house (relationships). So the person is also STRONGLY focused on relationships. This focus on relationships is made more intense since the North node (future goals) is focused in the 7th house (relationships).
Only after we have noticed the house focuses do we begin to look at the details. In the 3rd house (thinking) the person has Neptune (spirituality, also confusion) conjunct Nadir (inner world), indicating they may be inwardly confused in some way and this affects their thinking. Also in the 3rd house they have Saturn (duty, also structure) conjunct (energy is combined with) Uranus (friends, also unstructuring), indicating they may structure their thoughts and then immediately unstructure them afterwards. This could result in them building up and immediately tearing down their ideas.
In the 7th house (relationships), Mercury (thinking/daily work) conjunct Jupiter (expansion) could lead to expansive daily thinking about relationships. This might result in the person thinking about relationships all the time and have unrealistic expectations for their relationships. And, yes, Aries energy (being, also action, anger) focused in the 7th house (relationships) can result in a person aggressively pursuing their relationships...which can cause issues.
For more about learning basic astrological interpretation from the "big picture" point of view, see the link below.
Giving the astro-basics,
06-09-2006, 07:48 PM
About the third house,
It occupies 3 generational planets, all of which in retrograde motion. Uranus and Saturn in conjunction in Sagittarius and Neptune in Capricorn conjunction the nadir.
Does the retrograde motion of the planets means the thinking of the person is more original and complex, and internal? what kind of an affect does it have on a person's mind? also the 3 planets are very different from one another... all of them together in the thinking process, does it indicate an unusual thinking or the opposite, a very poor mental mind that can't benefit from either of the influences because it is too confused?
About the seventh house,
Does a north node in that house much indicate a strong relationship oriented person? I thought perhaps mercury and Jupiter conjunct to the head, rulers of house 3 and 9, might be indicating something else.
Does the fact it also conjunct the Descendant adds something as well?
The north node in retrograde as well, I'm not sure what that means also.
Also, with such a thinking oriented map, can you see how it effects the feeling part in the map? is it made poorer, is it a balance issue?
Thoughts on this would be most welcome :)
06-09-2006, 09:18 PM
All your ideas seem to me possible...as a holistic (looking at the "big picture") astrologer, I look at the chart as a whole and let the person themselves figure out how the details affect them personally. With the Nadir (inner world) involved, we would suspect that both thinking and feeling (3rd and 4th houses) would be affected by Neptune. Mercury conjunct Jupiter could mean something else, but the focus of the energy will be in the 7th house (relationships), since that is where the North node (future goals) and planetary energy is located. Retrograde is not important for the North and South nodes, since they are usually retrograde (unlike the planets). However, I wouldn't say that this is an issue of BALANCE, since balance implies an opposition in the chart. Instead, since the thinking and feeling houses are right next to each other, this implies an issue of COMBINATION, where thinking and feeling are confusingly (Neptune) combined into one, so that the person can not separate where thinking begins and feeling ends or where feeling begins and thinking ends.
The rest of your questions are about HOW the energy is used. And the only expert on THAT issue...is the person themself! ;)
Thinking with feeling,
That was nicely explained :)
I have a stellium (three planets) conjunct Nadir in my natal chart too; Libra Saturn and Pluto (3H) and Scorpio Jupiter (4H)
I am beginning to realise that this stellium has a lot to do with internal life, incorporating emotions and thoughts that are very powerful on the inside but not at all obvious to other people, unless I share :) . Of course it's hard to tell, but I suspect I spend more time tending my internal world than many people do, and I find it profoundly healing experience to actually speak or write some of that inner world out to other people.
I feel like that stellium is somewhat of a power basis in my chart, the point from which I internally generate outwards into the world (in a positive way or negative way, I guess, is up to me ;))
I'd be interested to find out if you write journals, Rubella, or maybe if you confide the goings on of your inner thoughts and feelings to close friends (or siblings?). I have always done both compulsively ;) I'm finding that as I release 'inner world' more openly into 'outer world', I am gaining a lot of respect and trust from other people, and gaining a lot in the way of truly open and supportive relationships. Somehow releasing these inner things into outer reality also makes me feel more secure personally, it's as if I am respecting my thoughts and feelings by making them real. I'm learning a lot about other people this way. As soon as you reveal yourself you find out how much other people see themselves in you!
06-11-2006, 12:24 PM
Your words surprised me... they sounded very much like my own :)
"I feel like that stellium is somewhat of a power basis in my chart, the point from which I internally generate outwards into the world (in a positive way or negative way, I guess, is up to me )"
I never thought about it before, but you're absolutely right! it is exactly like that. My internal world is very rich and complex, and has been since I was a child. I have a journal, I used to write there once a day or even more, now less so... but it is a real cathartic experience for me. My writing is a creative, "from the gut" kind of writing, as if it's pouring out of me. I always wanted to share my inside with other people, but found it was hard... I didn't know how I could do that, the writing was a good solution, although much of me still stays inside unknown. I comfort myself with long conversations with close friends, very long ones :)
Sometimes, I don't know if I like it very much, because so much of me is unseen, I wonder who really knows me, and how much of me, and whether someone will know me as I am. And if they do... will they like what they see?
Thank you very much for your wise words, I think I understand a little better now. I do have some issues with regard to thinking and feeling, it has always been a confusing subject for me. I didn't notice the Neptune conjunction the nadir until you mentioned it! it explains a lot...
Thanks again :)
Hahah, wow! I'm happy to hear your response :)
Now THIS sounds just like me: " Sometimes, I don't know if I like it very much, because so much of me is unseen, I wonder who really knows me, and how much of me, and whether someone will know me as I am"
As I move around so much, I wonder about this even more. I feel like other people in long term relationships, or just in the same place all the time, have this wonderfully lucky advantage that they have people that 'know' the whole story of them, people who mirror back all the parts of their experience and make them real. It has slowly dawned on me that I am the only person who can know, and respect, and represent, all aspects of me. That stellium on nadir, I think, is very much about learning to be internally secure and complete before interactions with other people.
At the moment, I'm trying to move my creativity in writing into writing for a wider audience, prose and poetry that I want anyone to read, rather stopping with the 'tumbling' release of inner worlds out on paper. I'll message you my favourite poem at the moment ;)
I was an utter daydream child :D
06-11-2006, 12:51 PM
Well, I've lived my whole life in one town, and let me tell you, it doesn't make it any easier. But hey, maybe it's just me.
I also wanted to ask, because you have a few planets in your thinking house, do you think it makes you a more versatile thinker? a more confused one? how would you say the energies of those planters working together has effected your mind?
I'd love to read your poem :)
My third house? We both have saturn there, that's the common element.
Um, well. I have saturn (structure, discipline) there and I have certainly spent a considerable proportion of my life studying (practicing disciplined thought, logical expression, gaining qualifications for recognition - or trying to anyway!) I also suspect that saturn there signifies a certain reserve in expression, notice that we both have a lot of personal impressions to communicate, but tend to do it in very personal writing and conversations, it's not readily 'broadcast'. If you're like me, you might communicate in a restrained manner (as in, not express anger or the more radical/agressive/full on thoughts and feelings very spontaneously or freely)
I also have mars and pluto in the third. These two alone, you would think, signify quite direct and forceful communication, right? But not for me. I think saturn in there puts the brakes on any mars/pluto force. It comes out in an almost OVERLY balanced, moderated way (Saturn and Pluto both in Libra, Mars in Virgo). That's partially why I think there's so much that remains within that so needs to be said, and I end up writing it. It's much more controlled to write than to, for example, yell at someone ;)
I think career wise the third is important for me. I have been an English teacher and editor (an authority on communication skills!) and believe that I will rely on written skills and balanced, clear verbal communication to suceed in doing what I want to do.
How did you go at school? Planets in the third are often associated with performance in structured education. I certainly have somewhat of an ego attachment to getting good grades :D
06-11-2006, 01:33 PM
"Um, well. I have Saturn (structure, discipline) there and I have certainly spent a considerable proportion of my life studying (practicing disciplined thought, logical expression, gaining qualifications for recognition - or trying to anyway!) "
I completely agree with that!
Anger, aggressive thinking and otherwise strong emotions are also inhibited in me. Usually when I'm very angry I'll keep it all in and relieve myself with violent imagery ;)
Goes into my writing as well.
School and me... always had good grades, I went to a "gifted children" school for about a year when I was 12 years old. At high school I kinda understood that I get pretty good grades without lifting a finger and did nothing for free years, so my grades are averaging on 90. If I had studied, I know I could have gotten more... but it was easy for me and once I know I can master something, I do not bother with it. Very very BAD quality.
p.s I'm leaving soon and will read and comment on your poem tomorrow, gonna spend my night at base ( I am a soldier, could you have guessed? )
heheh, I'm going to spend my night.....writing an essay :P
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