Chart Rectification

[Arian Maverick]

As you may know from the thread BIRTH AND TIME OF BIRTH (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1761), I have experimented with several different methods of chart rectification in an attempt to discover my true Ascendant.

If I am correct in my educated guess that Venus "has the most essential dignity in the degree of the luminary above the earth" in the chart of the previous syzygy before my birth, I believe my Ascendant would be 28 Pisces 19. The article Animodar method of Rectification (http://www.skyscript.co.uk/gl/animodar.html) briefly describes the process I attempted to use to determine this.

However, a user by the name of Papretis described an alternative method in a thread called Rectification by Trutine of Hermes/Animodar (http://skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=822) that I wish to explore here.

Since the moon in my natal chart was in its waning phase and located below the horizon, it is suggested that my gestation period lasted less than 273 days. Therefore, I began with a rough estimation of July 6, 1988--exactly 273 days before my birth.

Next I looked for the day after July 6, 1988 when the Moon was positioned near the degree of my given Descendant of 1 Libra 10 and arrived at July 19, 1988 at approximately 1:43 PM EST.

Finally, I adjusted the conception chart to reflect the time when the Descendant is located on the degree of my natal moon--5 Aries 13--and looked to see at which degree the Moon was now positioned--0 Libra 05.

Thus, I received an Ascendant of 0 Aries 05 and a birth time of about 6:02 AM, only two minutes before my recorded birth time.

Any feedback would be greatly appreciated! ;)

Arian Maverick

[blumen]

I do not trust these rectification methods too much. I would anyway stick to a Pisces ascendant. A two minutes difference between the actual and recorded birth time seems to little to me. Anyway you can try other techniques and see which of the two possible ascendants is best supported by these.

By the way, have you ever had problems with your feet/skin?

Blumen

[Arian Maverick]

By the way, have you ever had problems with your feet/skin?

What an interesting question! :)

I believe I may have a combined answer for you; about a year ago I was invited to walk outside in the lovely springtime weather, and although I was not wearing the proper footwear to do so, I did not wish to pass up such an opportunity. I wrongly assumed that a simple pair of flats would be, if not ideal for this activity, than at least fairly suitable. Although the soles of my feet soon burned from prologned contact with the inner material of the shoe, I did not complain--or even mention--my growing discomfort. It was only when I returned from my walk did I discover the severity of the damge, which included large areas of peeling skin and other lovely marks that stubbornly refused to heal. I still bear the scars.

Arian Maverick

[blumen]

Pisces are associated to the feet and the skin. If an important element in your chart - the AC, one of the angles or the Moon is in Pisces, God willing you may experience small problems related to the symbolism of this sign.

If similar problems occur repeatedly, like your feet bleed anytime you wear a pair of shoes that are new or that you haven't worn for a few months, and this happens with ALL models of shoes, then you may start relating this fact to your natal chart.

This is why I asked that question. Assuming that the AC falls in Pisces, you may have an over sensitive skin, allergies etc. (These problems may also be determined by other elements in the chart, so a really careful exam is needed)

Blumen

[Arian Maverick]

Yes, I've always had sensitive skin and bruise easily; sometimes I don't even remember the occasion! :p

What other traits may be indicative of Pisces Rising?

Arian Maverick

[Draco]

Hi Mav,

If I am correct in my educated guess that Venus "has the most essential dignity in the degree of the luminary above the earth" in the chart of the previous syzygy before my birth, I believe my Ascendant would be 28 Pisces 19. The article Animodar method of Rectification (http://www.skyscript.co.uk/gl/animodar.html) briefly describes the process I attempted to use to determine this.

This is really interesting, because your Ascendant at 28 Pisces, would give you that light degree we were talking about, which would confer fair colourings, which you have. :cool: The degree is also feminine and deep.

I often explore Skyscript, but I hadn't yet come across that method of rectification, so thanks for sharing that because it's of great interest to me. :rolleyes:

I will still try and go through determining temperament according to both signs rising in a couple of days or so if you'd like, but I'm still getting the hang of it just yet. It would also give me an opportunity to practice, as I'm getting quite into this at the moment. The more methods of rectification you can utilise, the better.

You'll find the right degree soon enough.

Draco ;)

[laliqueviolin]

It is my belief you have something softer, a Pisces Asc is pretty much on target. Feeling out impressions mean everything to me, and certainly you have been a gentle but active energy around here. :)

[johan]

Hi Beth,

The picture below comes out of the book Les 360 degres du Zodiaque,symbolises par l'image et par la cabbale.
It is written by Janduz,a french clairvoyant who lived in the first half of the previous century.The pictures in this book are made by Claude Lhuer.

I won't go any futher into what the book is all about,but a dutch astrologer had excellent results showing pictures out of this book to people who where not sure of their birthtime.A lot of them said :this picture belongs to me!,being the picture of their ascendant.So I looked up your presumable ascendant,the second degree of Aries.

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The text beneath the picture in english:a handsome,slim rider on a rich decorated thoroughbred approaches from the right.In his righthand waving a sable,with his lefthand lightly holding the bridle,easily controlling the horse,which prances because of the snakes,reptiles.

I don't know if you feel this picture belongs to you,but it will be no problem showing pictures of other degrees,to see if this method can give you good results finding your right ascendant.

Greetings,

Johan

[Arian Maverick]

What a fascinating idea! :D

The text beneath the picture in english:a handsome,slim rider on a rich decorated thoroughbred approaches from the right.In his righthand waving a sable,with his lefthand lightly holding the bridle,easily controlling the horse,which prances because of the snakes,reptiles.

My intuition immediately told me no, this picture is not representative of my true Ascendant, yet now my intellect is debating the issue.

I don't know if you feel this picture belongs to you,but it will be no problem showing pictures of other degrees,to see if this method can give you good results finding your right ascendant.

Could you, please? I am greatly indebted to you, johan! :o

Arian Maverick

[johan]

Okay Beth,here is one more.

I just downloaded today a scanprogram,so I am not that handy with that yet.

28 29 pisces

[Arian Maverick]

Although I am unsure of the meaning of the description, except for a crude translation from Dictionary.com (http://dictionary.reference.com/translate/text.html) ("Cassandre dishevelled, gesticulant, traverses the streets of the city, while with the temple of Sybille, a prêtress predicts the future with a teenager"), the picture resonates with me better than the last...the priestess by the flames remindes me a bit of the Vestal Virgins ;)

Arian Maverick

[johan]

Hi Beth,

The method of chart rectification in this way is by looking at the pictures.
But this is what it means:A Cassandra with hanging down hair walks,making wild gestures,through the streets of the city,while on the rightside a priestess predicts the future to a young man in the temple of the Sybille.Janduz describes this degree as:special abilities.

Here are three more:) :

33 27 pisces
34 28 pisces
35 30 pisces

[johan]

And 3 more:

37 1 aries

38 3 aries

39 4 aries

[Arian Maverick]

Thanks for posting these pictures, Johan. I believe I am still leaning towards 29 Pisces, although my intuition is certainly untrained... :o

Arian Maverick

[johan]

Well,it was worth giving it a shot.
I am curious to see if,no when;) you will find out the right Ascendant,and if it will be the 29th degree.
I remember somewhere in another post,Radu tried to help you with giving you important events in your life,and also the date of official papers,like a driver's licence or passport (when you found out your Ascendant was not Aquarius).
Did this way of finding out your ascendant gave success?

Greetings,
Johan.

[Arian Maverick]

I am curious to see if,no when you will find out the right Ascendant,and if it will be the 29th degree.

Thanks for the encouragement, Johan! :D

I remember somewhere in another post,Radu tried to help you with giving you important events in your life,and also the date of official papers,like a driver's licence or passport (when you found out your Ascendant was not Aquarius).

Did this way of finding out your ascendant gave success?

Unfortunately, I do not recall seeing this project through to a conclusion, partially because I could not determine how to arrive at an average degree. I am sure there is some mathematical formula to convert minutes into degrees, but without such fundamental knowledge, I cannot compute an answer with a basic calculator...

Arian Maverick

[Mary]

Johan: I´m interested in your method. I have always been asked to make sure of my time of birth, whenever I consulted an astrologer. I did, my mother says that the clock, which was in front of her, was straight at 11:45 am, that would give me a 29º 34' Gemini ASc, I wouldn´t deny this since I match with gemini but the I have moon at 28º 58' Gemini, wich makes this mixture of moon and mercury, gemini and cancer a lot more difficult to determine, I do feel like cancer too.

Just in order to make sure, I would really appreciate if you could upload the images for 29º, 30º gemini and 1º cancer in order to make sure wich resonates the most with me....


thanks!

[johan]

Mary,here they are.

46

47

44

48



I also wanted to add the description and the keyword that goes with the image,but then the image was too big to upload (scanning and adapting the picture in Adobe and the scanprogram is new to me,I will have to find out how exactly I have to do this).But I am very curious to see if one of the pictures resonates with you.And if you would like to have the description and the keyword,let me know,I will add it for you.

[Mary]

Johan:

Thank you very much!!

Actually, I resonate more with the fist one, is it 29º gemini?
I also liked the 3rd one,...just curious to know which degree is that one, too.

This is quite interesting

[johan]

Yes,the first is 29 Gemini,than 30 Gemini,1 Cancer,2 Cancer.

The description of the first picture(29 Gemini) is:a gloomy sky,with rushing clouds;a group of raven are flying against the wind and three dogs are running in different directions.
The keyword Janduz uses is:diversion of the spirit.

The description of the third picture(1 Cancer) is:the picking of grapes,with the family.
The keyword Janduz uses is:attachment.

For me the degree of my Ascendant,and Pluto and Neptune were quite insightful.

[Mary]

I have decided to rectify my ascendant at to the 29º gemini since the previous one was at 30º gemini... I´ll check the other house cusps too.

Thanks johan!

[johan]

Great Mary!

Glad it helped.

To me the picture that goes with my Ascendant(1 degree of Libra) was very speaking to me.I have Uranus on the second degree of Libra,and although this picture speaks to me also,I feel very strong that my Ascendant is correct,considering the picture.

[Arian Maverick]

I would like to revive this thread due to another chart rectification method I am attempting, the Trutine of Hermes as described by Deb on the Rectification by Trutine of Hermes/Animodar (http://skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=822) in the Skyscript Astrology Forum (http://skyscript.co.uk/forums/index.php).

However, I am having some difficulty following this method--especially in determining which formula I should use (absolute longitude of the Moon - absolute longitude of the Ascendant or absolute longitude of the Moon - absolute longitude of the Descendant). How can you tell if the moon is above or below the Earth? :confused:

Arian Maverick

[Arian Maverick]

I will quote Draco's post from Indecisive Libra needs career guidance (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?p=24646) in an attempt to walk myself through the process he may have taken:

According to the Animodar method of birth time rectification, you would have been born at 8.46am. This would make you Libra rising rather than the Scorpio ascendant given by 9.30am. I'll pop back later to explain more about this.

Birth data:

I was born on 2nd October 1962 in Donington, Near Spalding, Lincolnshire, England. My parents told me today that my birth time was 0930 British time but in the past they have said 0845 British time. I went on this websites link for a chart for both and they were both the same except that for ASC and MC.

Check back later for updates ;)

Arian Maverick

[Capricornius_Aquarius]

Sorry for revivng such an older thread, I stumbled upon this. I rectified my birth chart with the Rectification by Trutine of Hermes/Animodar-turns out my birth time is off by HOURS! And I mean several hours. Here's my rectified birth chart. Turns out my mom and I have the same rising sign. At least off by hours,using this method.

[Arian Maverick]

Sorry for revivng such an older thread, I stumbled upon this. I rectified my birth chart with the Rectification by Trutine of Hermes/Animodar-turns out my birth time is off by HOURS! And I mean several hours.

It's been a long while since I've explored these methods, but I recall that one of them ONLY determined the degree of one's Ascendant--not the actual Ascendant sign. Be careful of this.

I've also realized since I created this thread that Venus does NOT have the most essential dignity if I follow the traditional point system. Again, I cannot recall which planet had the most essential dignity in the szergy (spelling?) chart, but it was a planet located around 12 degrees, which seems unlikely to be the degree of my Ascendant sign. Therefore, I'm skeptical of this method.

Arian maverick

[Capricornius_Aquarius]

Thank you for telling me,Arian. :) I'm a novice to recitification.

[Virinchi]

recitifcations can be done best if we know few imp. dates in life like wedding date and time, wife's DOB and kids DOBs(if any)
i use krishnamurti paddathi(k.p) to derive precise sublords or cusps and sublords of 2nd, 7th and 11th cusps are connected to ruling planets of spouse's horoscope
similary sublords of 2,5,11 cusps are connected to ruling planets of kids horosocopes

if single, then use sublords of 3,4,9 to find from siblings and parents
also many details like education, year of graduation etc will help

i rectified few
http://www.illuminate.in/discus/forumdisplay.php?fid=45

i also use horary method sometimes

[CurtisSWN]

My most powerful rectification tool is timing important life events by dasa and subdasa using the Raman ayanamsha. Using the rasi, navamsha, drekkana, and dasamsha are useful to.