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[Danae]

How good are the relationship between A and his ex wife?

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My concern is about the one I am in love with and not beeing in touch lately, I need to know and this is the only way to find out! He is living very near by his ex, have a daughter togeter. I would realy appreciate if I can get some help regarding my question.

I consider him represented by ruler of 7th (venus) and the 7th from him, the house for his ex wife. Now I don't know if for an ex is the same the 7th? So she would be in this case represented by Mars.
From signs point of view both are in a weak position and both are in cadent houses. Venus is applying a square to Mars but Venus is in Mars sign. So I think I can say he receive Mars so he still cares about her? Moon also will conjunct Venus and will square as well Mars. Square is not a good aspect, but I can't figure out more than that! Mars is very near by Juno. Is there any chance that these two to get back together?

[Draco]

Hi Danae,

''I consider him represented by ruler of 7th (venus) and the 7th from him, the house for his ex wife. Now I don't know if for an ex is the same the 7th?''

Yes, this is correct.

As you say, he is Venus, and Venus is in it's detriment in Aries. Venus receives Mars by domicile, and this shows that A loves his wife, it is as if he depends on her for strength. However, the feelings that he still has for this ex-wife are not reciprocated, because she is shown by Mars which is in it's own terms in Cancer, and does not have any reception of Venus. This shows that the ex-wife has no inclination towards A anymore, and the fact that she is in her own terms and triplicity, shows that her concern is now with herself and getting on with her own life. However, we must consider that Mars is also in it's fall in Cancer, so the ex-wife isn't going through a good time either, and as you mentioned they are both cadent, so it isn't going to be easy for her, but none the less, she still has no inclination toward A, as he still has to her, because he still loves her. Both of them are shown as being in a bad way, because A is in detriment and his ex is in fall, however, the difference is, he is in love with her and looks toward her to get him out of his difficulty, and although she is also in a bad way, she is not inclined to reciprocate his feelings. He may want to get back with her, but she is not wanting to get back with him, she seeks and is capable of independance.

The ex-wife does actually receive the Moon by domicile, and the Moon is a co-significator of A, and I see that this shows that she is still in love with the memory of him, and that she looks back very fondly on what they had together in the past, however, she is no longer in love with him as he is now and is ready to move on with her life. She still loves his soul, but no longer loves his person. The fact that A's cusp significator as well as the Moon are both in Aries and receiving Mars by reception, show that A is still engrossed with the ex, both in heart and mind, and as the Moon is about to conjoin Venus, then these feelings in A's heart are becoming more intense, but when the Moon reaches Venus it will also square Mars, which I believe will bring a crisis period to A, where it will become inevitable that he will need to let go of his ex, even if it will break his heart. She does not hate him by any means, but she only still cherishes the memory of what they once had together, but she is really ready to move on in her life, and A will have to accept this although it will be hard for him and bring him heart ache.

If you are wondering what the chances are that these two will get back together, then the chart shows that if A had the opportunity he would do anything he could to get back with his ex, but she is just not as interested as he is, she wants to move on, so I feel that this is unlikely. Yes, there is an aspect between them, but it is a harsh aspect, and Mars does not receive Venus, so this aspect will mark the moment at which he comes to realise that he has no chance to rekindle the love they once had, and this will be an upsetting time for him.

I hope this helps.

Is A a person that you yourself are interested in? Is he involved with you, but you are worried that his feelings for his ex are stronger than what he feels for you?

Draco (why can I not get my winking emoticon on here?)

[Danae]

Thanks Draco for your reply and sorry I didn't answer early, I was out of the computer all day!

A, is indeed a person I am very interested in, but we are not involved. In fact we are not keeping in touch too much; so, because I don't know how the things are between him and his ex, that's why I was start wondering about how is going on them relationship.

One thing is confusing me.

I was amazed how much the situation you explained is SO similar with the one between my husband and me. Every single word is so perfectly matching with what is going on in our relationship!!!

So I start wonder if I shouldn't consider for A other house, and in fact 7th house is representing my husband because I still have one?!
On other hand because I don't have a clue about what is between A and his ex it might be right what you said as well and just by chance coincide with my own situation!

Also that harsh aspect between Venus and Mars is very tight - just few minutes apart, so I think this conection between the people represented by Venus and Mars is very soon.

I don't know if I can apply with what was just happened to me, because can't be "days" the time factor, planets being in cadent houses. But just to tell you someting that happened today: my husband left the country going in his own country for over a month, because his mum is ill. In this time I must take care of his business (that's why I was busy and couldn't reply early) and he depends on me now to keep his business on. The trip was planned few weeks ago I wasn't ready to push him too hard with the divorce, is also upset for his mum... But because he knows very well how we stand and that our marriage is already dead long ago, I told him in the airport to don't make any hopes that we could save our marriage and that I will prepare the divorce papers until he will be back. So when he will be back he must face this and let me go as you wrote:

"...but when the Moon reaches Venus it will also square Mars, which I believe will bring a crisis period to A, where it will become inevitable that he will need to let go of his ex, even if it will break his heart."

So, what do you think? I should consider for A different house? maybe 5th? even we are not involve, yet?

[Draco]

Hi Danae,

As the question refered to another person and his relationship with his ex, then I believe that the interpretation should be taken in this context. However, having said this, is you resonate with the interpretation in regards to your husband and yourself, then perhaps it has significance on this level as well.

Personally, I wouldn't consider A to have a different house. If he is an 'affair' or if this is just a sexual connection, then some would consider him to belong to the fifth, but I would disagree, this is still a relationship, and he is 'the other person' being asked of. As a partner, in whatever respect, he is seventh. If you enquire of your child, then this is the fifth, a sibling is the third, a mother the tenth, a father the fourth etc. etc., but in terms of a relationship which is emotional, business or even sexual, then the other person is always the seventh, a partner always is. The fifth describes the sex, pleasure or enjoyment we have with the partner, any partner, but not the person themselves, the fifth only refers to your children as people.

William Lilly, in his 'Christian Astrology', never attributes the fifth house to lovers, always to questions concerning children and pregnancy, and therefore sex. The seventh house he gives to all manner of relationships, be they sweethearts, lovers or spouses.

There is a notion among some astrologers that a person with whom one is involved in an afair or a relationship only becomes the seventh when the relationship is 'commited' or 'serious', but this raises the question, at what point exactly, do we consider a relationship to become such? We might as well ask how long a piece of string is. Far easier and more sensible to always attribute a partner, of any sort, to the seventh.

It is interesting how you felt that the interpretation related very well to what is going on between you and your spouse. This can either mean that you were focused more upon this when you asked the question, or, alternately, it could simply reflect a double meaning, showing what is going on between you and your husband, as well as what is going on between A and his ex at the same time.

Draco ;)

[Danae]

Thanks a lot, Draco!