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I am soon to be working with a very troubled young woman (supporting her with her english and maths skills but generally being 'there' if she needs any other support also). I'm not sure if I'm 'okay' about this as I don't feel we as staff get the support we need and the programme leaders I work for are I feel, trying to play the whole situation down and telling us not to worry as she will have two carers on hand if a situation becomes volatile. I am in a situation where I could be on my own with her as I provide one to one support and would like to know if everything will be okay.
I have much empathy with the young people I work with - they can be difficult but generally, I have a good relationship with them. This one however, I am more uneasy about. I do not know her time of birth but she was born in Liverpool England on 15 March 1989. My details are June 28 Liverpool England 07.05 hours.
Kind regards and thanks.
05-19-2006, 05:54 AM
Although I am obviously unaware of this young woman's situation, I believe that I may be able to relate with her energetically, as my own birth took place only several weeks following hers.
While I struggle with a massive series of squares between my stellium of outer planets in Capricorn and my stellium of inner planets in Aries, this natal chart indicates a particular difficulty integrating the seemingly conflicting energies of the Capricorn/Cancer polarity--especially with the involvement of the Moon. I must say, this young woman possesses a strong water influence; her natal Sun, Mercury, Venus in Pisces form a series of trine aspects with the Moon and Chrion in Pisces, as well as Pluto in Scorpio. Indeed, her Saturn-Neptune conjunction as well as her Mars-Jupiter conjunction is more exact than my own, and I believe that the combination of these energies should be studied more thoroughly.
I have posted her natal chart below for easy accessibility :wink:
P.S. You may wish to create a horary chart for the time you first thought of your question--"I would like to know if everything will be okay."
Thanks Arien Mav :)
I first thought of the question at 05.15 on 19 May 2006 Liverpool England. Just to give you a bit of background, the young woman is being prescribed medication because she is violent and especially because she wants to kill her parents whom she hates. She attacked two members of staff at the care home where she lives recently and smashed several windows.
There are 5 brothers and sisters and most of them have been abused by the parents. She has been in care for fifteen years. Two of her brothers have been on the programme before and I was aware that something was amiss before I knew anything about their background. They are very intense and have an intensity in their eyes (as she does) which is a little unnerving. I'd been warned about this by her carers before I met her but I'd seen it before in her brothers as mentioned. They are also very guarded and I'm sure this is learned behaviour given their awful upbringing and the fact that they find it hard to trust.
In the past, she has spent time in mental institutions and offenders institutions one of which she set fire to. I would think with all that water in her chart, she would be more sensitive to the abuse she has suffered and so perhaps react in a more violent way if it in her personality to do so. I have seen this before with very sensitive people. I wonder about the nature/nurture thing too.
05-19-2006, 09:17 AM
You didn't provide the year of birth for yourself, and your concern would appear to centre upon if YOU are doing the right thing in providing tuition under the given circumstances as opposed to what the young lady will/will not gain from your help. Even without an accurate birth time the day chart shows some very strong current transits and progressions under way that would suggest a strenuous time ahead rather than 'going with the flow'.
As a Cancer Sun you might be able to reach her strong emotional nature, as long as she doesn't then cling and become dependent upon you (her Moon in Cancer) and react wildly when you leave her. Her progressed Moon through Aquarius at this time of her life may incline towards erratic behaviour and distancing herself from anyone trying to get close to her.
Hi Frisiangal :)
Thanks for replying. My concern is not so much about whether I am 'doing the right thing' by providing her with tuition - it's my job and I do enjoy supporting these disaffected and disengaged young people in gaining the skills they need to function and be successful in life. However, I have been threatened and my car attacked several times (it goes with the job - not everybody can be helped) and this girl seems to be particularly 'damaged'. My concern is security or lack of it and a clear lack of concern by the company I work for regarding this.
Other members of staff are as concerned as I am regarding this situation and frankly, wonder if any of us will become a target for this young woman's frustrations. We live with this type of situation daily but things have been particularly strained recently (several learners have been agressive and abusive towards staff) and this new situation has only served to compound things. As I have mentioned, we do not get any real support from managers who choose to turn a blind eye and hope for the best! (the world of work eh!)
I agree very much with you regarding her moon in cancer and her possibly becoming clingy and dependent. I naturally feel empathy for those who are 'damaged' and wounded (chiron in the seventh) but I have learned through experiences in my work to keep myself a little above fully plunging in. I used to do this until experience taught me differently. I was born in 1955.
05-19-2006, 04:19 PM
Astrodienst is overly generous on its aspects, in my opinion. Using more conservative aspects, this girl has an unaspected (strong energy) Scorpio (transformation, also power, death) modifying Puto (transformation, also power, death). Pluto energy is the power to transform, it is the power of life after death, it is about dying and becoming reborn or transformed by life.
If a person has an unaspected planet in their chart, the energy does not "connect in" with them. So they OVER-express the energy in an attempt to feel the energy in them. In the case of an unaspected Pluto, this can cause disastrous results. The challenge for the person with an unaspected Pluto is to KNOW they are powerful...without feeling they have to PROVE it all the time to themselves. All this you know from her case history.
The challenge for YOU is her Pluto sits right on top of your Saturn (duty, also authority), so she will try to overpower (Pluto) you, the Authority (Saturn). If she can get past this need to overpower, you can use your authority to work with her (there are some easy flows between your Saturn and her energies) and even learn from you and you from her (easy flow between her Jupiter and yours). But she is going to have to FIRST learn that she doesn't have to prove to herself that she is powerful...and this is going to be VERY difficult, because life has taught her that her power over things is all she has.
This makes her VERY dangerous and VERY unstable. I STRONGLY suggest to your manager that she ALWAYS have at LEAST two people in the room with her at all times. A powerful person who doesn't know their own power...this can be a recipe for disaster!
Thanks for that Wilsontc. I will take heed of the warning, it's kind of backed up my own thoughts on the situation, I had seen the Saturn/Pluto stuff too and did wonder! Just to add, one of her brothers is a sun Scorpio (the control stuff again) and the other is sun Capricorn. He has the staring eyes like his sister (Scorpio stuff in his chart too maybe?)and made me feel very uncomfortable when I met him,- to the extent that I went to my manager and mentioned that we should be aware that something was amiss. I knew nothing about their background at this time. I believe there are control issues with Capricorn also? She also has, I think - three Capricorn planets.
Strangely, all three have expressed a wish to work with children which obviously will not happen and just to add, as you suggested in your posting - it is authority figures whom she attacks. We have been informed by the manager of the home where she lives that she only attacks staff and those in charge of/who have authority over her. He seems to be disregarding the fact that us as staff will be seen by her as having charge over her! I feel he is 'playing the whole thing down' and hoping for a 'success story' with her. I believe he genuinely wants to help her too but know that there are things he tried to keep from us.
I will now ensure that I am never on my own with her and I will also try to help her if I can. Here's hoping!
05-20-2006, 03:46 PM
I believe there are control issues with Capricorn also?
I have heard this before, but I think it is important to make a difference between Capricorn (authority) and Scorpio (control). If a person has a lot of Capricorn in their chart, they have a tendency to be the one "in charge" in some way or another. While this can help them "control" things, this isn't really their goal. They want to be the boss...and frequently this means OTHER people will have to do the "heavy lifting" and they, as the boss, will trust them to do their job.
Scorpio (control) energy is different. Scorpio energy is all about being in control of the situtaion. This means that they will tend NOT to delegate...since it causes them to lose control. Scorpio energy doesn't care WHO is called the "boss" as long as THEY actually run the entire show. Scorpio is often the "power behind the throne", with Capricorn being the throne.
Although it is VERY challenging in her chart, this girl is VERY aware of the Capricorn energy in her, so she WANTS to be the authority. This wouldn't create a problem since every authority understands that, in order to be an authority they have to be dependable, reliable, steady, etc. However, she can't be dependable, reliable, steady, etc. since she also has a need for "control"...but has no idea how to actually be in control. This results in over the top behavior as she struggles against herself to "prove" that she is in control of every and all situations. As a further result, the promise of being an authority goes "out the window"...frustrating the girl even more.
About the difference between authority and control,
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