Love and Misery

[Awakened_Pisces]

Ever heard of the phrase "Curiosity killed the cat"? It's true. Even if you have nine lives there's just some devastation you won't be able to move past.

I noticed in 8 years, Solar Arc Venus would conjunct my Sun. 17+8=25 years old. Not exactly my Saturn Return. A Few years outta college. So I was thinking: Is this it? Is this the year where my Romantic dreams become reality? Is this where I marry the woman of my dreams? Curiosity killed this cat and decided to look at the 2017 Solar Return Chart.....

Can't say I wish I didn't. I'm now planning to try and find a way out of 2017, simply for the disaster it spells. I should've noted the number 8(as in Scorpio's 8th house) and not have been so optomistic. Here it is. The REAL Chart of Doom. My Chart of Doom that is.

First, we'll look at the good so I don't look like a pessimist. There's the Sun-Mercury conjunction trining the Cancer Moon. Considering the 7th house influence this is probably a relationship of feelings, communication and understanding.

Then there's Sun Sextile Pluto(in the 5th house). This is a positive aspect sexually, Pluto empowering the Sun. But in the 5th house, it implys powerful sexual attraction. Saturn, in Saggitarius is the ruler of the 7th house. It's sextile the ruler of the Fifth(Jupiter) and trining Mars-Uranus in Aries. Further implying a sexual attraction.

So there's communication, there's attraction. What goes wrong? Alot. Go figure. My first real romance HAS to be hell on earth. Likely 24 years of singleness wasn't enough? :D

Starting with Neptune in the 7th. To go along with the Sun-Mercury conjunction means I'm pulling the sheets over my eyes. I'm not one to do this actually. There's but one person who has attracted me to that level. And that person hasn't spoken with me since late 2008.


Then there's Venus in the 8th, she's back in Aries again lol.(Why is it that when Love is significant in my timeline, Venus HAS to be in the house of death?) What am I? Am I a monster to have deserved this?

Then there's that deadly T-Square. Involving Jupiter(Ruler of the Fifth),Mars-Uranus and Pluto.(To an extent Venus also).

That same Jupiter is also tightly squaring Pluto! This isn't a relationship(Juno in 5th and I don't want to see it's aspects. The chart is BAD ENOUGH). This is a horror flim. This is the LAST thing I wanted for my first love life. I said that my first love would be my last.(Romantic, Ain't I?)

I wanna do anything I can to avoid 2017 and the horror this year will be. What do my fellow Astrologers think about this nightmare of a chart?

Oh, Mars-Uranus are in the 9th. If I am just getting out of college, I can't afford a lawsuit!. Why did I have to put up with this?


[Mod edit - thread moved here, as it deals with solar returns.]

[Niplan]

the reason you are having bad experiances may be because you are running from them. You can always ignore the chart, and live your life and try, rather then relying on the chart to predict your misery.

Or you can learn to accept it, reflect into your self and figure out what isn't clicking inside of your self that keeps repeating these things to you, a bad love life, wallowing in misery, maybe there some kind of 8th house issue you have that you should realy be looking at instead of whats to come.

Astrology isn't ment to paralyze you with fear, its an tool for enlightenment and reflection.

"I'm now planning to try and find a way out of 2017, simply for the disaster it spells."

Seriously... what?

Im not trying to berate you, I'm just pointing out what i've learned latley that may be able to help you.

that eigth house issue is describing what your doing now! Sun merc neptune 8th house, (whole house system)

Thinking about dillusions and lies, thinking about inflated ideas of death and making them your whole. and in the fish none the less, a big giant daydream lie that you are begining to create for your self. esp with the moon in cancer trine your emotions are heavly involved in this, but you should step back and realy think about this, before you think that some big cosmic force is going to bring you nothing but doom in that year.. you could die before then.

[Lost_spirit]

I think you're taking it the wrong way.First of all this is just a solar return.There must be other factors involved in order for bad things to happen.Progressions.Transits etc.Bad aspects don't always mean bad events,they sometimes mean challenges and situations that will make you stronger.Everyone has to face them sometime in their lives.I think you are looking too far.I met the love of my life 2 years ago and my solar arc Venus was far from the Sun and was not making any aspects to it.If I had to wait for this,I should wait 15 more years.So,you can meet the love of your life much earlier.Don't let this become a self fulfilling prophecy.

I looked at your chart.I'm not an expert,but I'd say that Venus in the 8th is a good thing,it means protection.All these planets in the 7th are good as well.Even if there are some bad events,8 years are very far from now to look for.Focus on today.

If you want to see a chart of a person having really hard times now,I can give you my chart to look at.Evil directions and Transits,one after the other,that won't stop until some years later.I don't even know if I will make it that far.However,I always try to see these hard times as challenges that can change me for the better.

[starlink]

Awakened Pisces, hi!


Starting with Neptune in the 7th.


Neptune in a year chart in the 7th can show a dreamlike love situation, especially in trine to your Moon for Pete's sake!!:)Neptune does not always mean deception and blindness in love!!


I'm not one to do this actually.

Well, there you go!!:)

Venus in the 8th could show a total transformation of the way you look at love and on how you give and receive love. 8th house shows some sort of inner change and often shows what we must let go of and transform in order to function better.
Nothing awful about Venus in 8! Shows sexuality also dont forget!

You have a T-square between the ruler of your 4th house (Pluto), your 5th house(Jupiter) and your 7th house (Uranus), all modernly seen of course. Mars - Pluto is too wide for a square.

First of all, you must see if in your natal chart there are also aspects between Pluto and Jupiter or Pluto and Uranus or Jupiter and Pluto and Jupiter and Uranus. Only the aspects which are repeated in the Solar Return, will be noticeable.

Again, Pluto as Apex planet asks you to do something about that Jupiter-Uranus opposition (regarding self-expression and love relationships) by letting go of deeply embedded childhood memories. You probably will experience a relationship whereby you get the opportunity (in that year) to do this, to look at relationships and love in a different way from what you believed it to be up till now, based on what you experienced from childhood.


This is the LAST thing I wanted for my first love life

Who says it is all about your love life? it can be all about relationships in general which ultimately can influence /change/transform the way you want your lovelife to be (eventually)


Oh, Mars-Uranus are in the 9th. If I am just getting out of college, I can't afford a lawsuit!.

And who says it will be about a lawsuit??? The 9th house is also about your own opinions and life philosophy.

So you relax now please and indeed do focus on positive things in life and how you could change things that have not worked for you so far. Also always look at your natal chart when looking at the Solar Return. You can interprete it by itself, but from experience, comparing gives more info. SR aspects should be found also in the natal chart (same planets in some sort of aspect), otherwise it will be felt very lightly or not at all. Look into which house the Solar Return Ascendant falls in your natal chart. That house will be the focus of this year, as well as where you find the Sun and any rising planet. In this SR the Node is rising. This could point to the fact that you should develop certain aspects of yourself and probably in connection with relationships in general.

Dont ever despair!!
Starlink

[astrologer50]

I agree with what's already been said, but where is the natal chart? or bi wheel, you shouldn't be looking at 'just' the solar return. Where does the SR Asc fall in the natal? are any natal planets on the Angles?

Plus if all else fails 'relocate' and move for your birthday to change/move the planets:lol:

Solar returns
http://cafeastrology.com/interpretingsolarreturns.html (http://cafeastrology.com/interpretingsolarreturns.html)
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12694 (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12694)
http://wiki.astro.com/astrowiki/en/Solar_Return_Chart (http://wiki.astro.com/astrowiki/en/Solar_Return_Chart)
http://www.maryshea.com/sr.html (http://www.maryshea.com/sr.html)

The house in which the Sun falls in the SR chart is the birthday month's forecast and influence, and each house after is the following month, since the Sun transits at the rate of one sign or house per month. Each house is treated as events in that month, and the sign and planet ruling the cusp influences the outlook for that month. The chart is used like a clock, with 12 months on its face instead of 12 hours. As the Sun conjoins or aspects other planets in the SR, it will generate events
http://www.typhonvision.com/art-solarreturn.htm (http://www.typhonvision.com/art-solarreturn.htm)