your astrological enemy

[templeton]

I like cheese

[noideaaboutastro]

I can't do those cool little signs:

So Sun in Sag
Moon in Pisces
Mercury in Sag
Venus in Capricorn
Mars in Virgo

Taurus ASC (Templeton, you are my enemy:ninja:!)

I'm not sure about this. I don't mind Sagittariuses. It's Virgos I generally do not get along with.

[Kerrie]

lol Im a Venus in Capricorn!

Ok mine are...

Asc - Libra
Sun - Virgo
Moon - Scorpio
Mercury - Virgo
Venus - Cancer
Mars - Virgo

Maybe a Virgo would be a little annoying for me. I have dated Virgo's with it prominant, I think I must get attracted to them or something! My partner has Virgo Asc with Sco Moon, lol.. they say opposite Moons are ok, just a small clash... thank god.

[Shining Ray]

Often our evil nemesis can teach us valuable lessons :sick: I am fine with my opposites, it's just that often I feel Virgo puts to much detail, fine work, analysing and mental energy that they lose all soul and you need to escape the drudgery now and again. Virgo pays attention to detail, and daily routine whereas Pisces gets lost and needs clarity. My Venus in Capricorn could do with opening her feelings now and again, and my Mars in Aquarius needs to assert his own individuality.

Enough of my niceness. Now to list the evils :devil:.

:sun: in :virgo: (my partner and child) which also makes me their astrological enemy.
:moon: in :virgo: aww I like Moon in Virgo.
:mercury: in :virgo: my favourite astrologer has this placement.
:venus: in :cancer: I like this placement too.
:mars: in :leo: I had a forum clash with a girl/woman with this placement grrr my astrological enemy.

[Frank]

Sun in Leo - No issues I can recall (but I always make sure I give them a title and let them think they are in charge).

Moon in Pisces - Sometimes issues with them being over-sensitive and taking logical arguments personally. But since my Mercury is in Pisces, not a huge issue.

Mercury in Virgo - No issues - my Moon is there.

Venus in Cancer - No issues that I'm aware of.

Mars in Cancer - YES. They don't know how to disagree without being disagreeable. They can't fight fairly - they always have to make personal attacks against me rather than listening to the logical points I'm making. If their Mars is retrograde and in an angle, it's even worse. In my opinion and experience, of course - your mileage may vary. This is probably due to all my Capricorn (Mars, Venus, Saturn, Ascendant) more than anything else. Force meets immovable object.

[Arian Maverick]

I gather that we're supposed to list planets in opposiste signs as our natal planets, but my "enemies" tend to have different astrological signatures.

A prominant one I've noticed with me is that I tend to tangle with those who express the negative qualities of a Leo Ascendant. I particularly clash with those who seek advancement through any means necessary, who project a false front to gain favor with those whom may help them. Both of my major adversaries in the past two years had this Ascendant sign, although it may simply be coincidence.

However, as Shining Ray wisely observed, our adversaries tend to teach of valuable lessons. My interactions with these two individuals have clarified my values.

Arian Maverick

[Frank]

Yes, I don't think the "ooposition/enemy" paradigm really works. There are other factors that are more prevalent. The Mars in Cancer one is the only one that really "works" in my chart - and that's due to a number of additional factors.

[natasa812]

I do agree with Arian and with Frank - just don`t know the reason (I mean that I can not explain it astrologicaly) but my Astro enemies are generaly:

1. Pisces - I say one thing they understand something different. I speak directly and they just flow away or just leave the room without explanation. This behaviour makes me mad. Also, they are always ``victims`` and they need someone to listen to their fantasy problems... After 2 minutes, they are fine again and I don`t know what happened...

2. Cancers - never could understand the way they talk. Confused feelings, confused situation and general confusion... After a clear question ``Who is confused`` or ``Are YOU confused`` or ``What situation``, more confusion comes on my way so my strong Sagittarian legs just take their way - away...

3. Virgos - wouldn`t say an enemy, communication is possible but it is the obsession with details I can not stand.

[aquarius7000]

Yes, I don't think the "ooposition/enemy" paradigm really works. There are other factors that are more prevalent.I agree with this.

I find people with a lot of Aries energy quite 'hot' to handle. From the experience that I have gained, this constellation can make people feel that any and everything revolves around them, thus often trying to connect everything with their 'ownselves' somehow, the big 'I' factor (very first house/Aries like). It's almost like a self-created illusion of prominence (first-house trait) they seem to bask in, usually putting themselves in the forefront, whether it fits the bill or not. They also find it quite hard to take anything even close to criticism at all. Then there is the rashness and losing one's head quite soon, or when something might make them impulsively so angry that the rationale seems to get switched off. Sometimes, though, they realise later themselves that they 'threw' their rashness/anger at the other person without much forethought or considering the situation as a whole. At least, this has been my own personal pretty unpleasant experience.

Scorpio accentuation has also been too intense, controlling (it often has to be just their way) and sometimes a bit bitter to handle, but usually with some planets in Libra, there can be some balance of energies. The Sagittarian 'I know it all' attitude, as someone said above, can also be fairly irritating, at times.

However, I have never much appreciated the use of the word: enemy, so won't use it here either.

:)AQ7

[Arian Maverick]

I agree with this.

I find people with a lot of Aries energy quite 'hot' to handle. From the experience that I have gained, this constellation can make people feel that any and everything revolves around them, thus often trying to connect everything with their 'ownselves' somehow, the big 'I' factor (very first house/Aries like). It's almost like a self-created illusion of prominence (first-house trait) they seem to bask in, usually putting themselves in the forefront, whether it fits the bill or not. They also find it quite hard to take anything even close to criticism at all. Then there is the rashness and losing one's head quite soon, or when something might make them impulsively so angry that the rationale seems to get switched off. Sometimes, though, they realise later themselves that they 'threw' their rashness/anger at the other person without much forethought or considering the situation as a whole. At least, this has been my own personal pretty unpleasant experience.

What factors in your natal chart do you believe may explain your difficulty with such individuals, aquarius7000?

One of the two individuals I referred to above has a Leo Ascendant and tenth house stellium in Gemini, which includes her natal Sun, Moon, Venus, Jupiter, and perhaps a few other planets I cannot recall. The only indication of adversity I can conceive of is my natal Mars is in Gemini, which is conjunct one or more of these planets. Yet at least a few of these planets sextile my Aries stellium, and there does not seem to be too many squares or oppositions between the planets in our natal charts. Shouldn't such aspects indicate comraderie rather than competition? She was quite spiteful towards me in high school because I possessed greater musical talent, and I would not bow to her authority because, in my opinion, respect must be earned rather than demanded.

Yet I've also cultivated close friendships with individuals who possess Leo stelliums. It just seems that the sign alone sign on the Ascendant, with no supportive astrological influences, tends to raise my shackles and produce the stereotypical Aries behavior aquarius7000 has described. I have no idea why, so I'm quite interested in the development of this thread.

Scorpio accentuation has also been too intense, controlling (it often has to be just their way) and sometimes a bit bitter to handle, but usually with some planets in Libra, there can be some balance of energies.

The other individual whom I described in my previous post has a Scorpio/Libra emphasis. Although the Libra influence balances or rather obscures his ruthless pursuit of personal advancement so it is not immediately apparent to others with whom he curries favor, the combination in conjunction with other facets of his natal chart is not pleasant. He is a master manipulator of people and events, able to gain the most benefit from a situation with the least expenditure of effort. I may have admired his ability to get what he wants if he didn't use me for his own personal gain. Arians are not the only members of the zodiac who possess massive egos.

Arian Maverick

[GreenMist]

Aquarius would be my enemy... but their wacky innovative nature can be interesting and amusing at times.

I do admire their inventivness, but very much dislike their ideals..and detachment ( a bit of a generalization, don't mean to be unfair to aquarius)

As a pisces it should be virgo for me, but I auctually admire their practicality, attention to detail, hard working and honest in the sense they exist in the real world.

It's interesting Natasha says she considers both pisces and virgo as enemies... ( the virgo habit of attention to detail as the enemy not virgo itself)

You consider pisces enemiees because they misunderstand your directness?... but also dislike the virgo trait of their attention to detail...? maybe it's because the virgo understands your directness and you don't like their answers?

Don't consider saggitarius enemies despite being preachy and a bit righteous :tongue:

Oh yes, and Aries are a bit too rough and combative...

[Arian Maverick]

You know, I've stepped away from the computer for a few minutes and thought about the possible implications of this thread, the possible negative feelings it may produce. I've read and reread aquarius7000's comments and have applied them to myself, attempting to see myself from multiple angles.

Ultimately, what I've realized is that there is nothing inherently wrong with any astrological sign or planetary placement--even with those signs that irritate or frustrate us.

I could take some of these comments personally, attempt to model myself in a way that's more "acceptable" to them and others who share their viewpoints. I've attempted to do this many times in the past, although I know some will scoff at this idea, perceiving me to be the type of individual who does not modify herself to please others. Whether you accept or rejection this proclamation, I believe the difficulties we've described arise when we do not accept ourselves unconditionally for who we are, when we try to "improve" ourselves for others' benefit. I've noticed that I only exemplify the negative traits of my sign during moments of great insecurity--when I feel disapproval eminating from others through their words, actions, or energetic presence, when they say, this is who you must be to please me.

We can sit in front of our monitors and discuss the characteristics that irk us most--the injustices we have experiences, and the anger and frustration which accompany these memories. Yet what will this accomplish? Reflecting upon these experiences will only hasten their creation in the present moment.

How about if we rephrase the question: What characteristics do you dislike in others, and how does this reflect upon you? In other words, what characteristics do you possess that you cannot accept to such a degree that you project them onto others?

You can answer these questions personally; there is no need to share them with anyone else, unless you're like me, and your life is an open book.

Arian Maverick

[Frank]

You know, I've stepped away from the computer for a few minutes and thought about the possible implications of this thread, the possible negative feelings it may produce. I've read and reread aquarius7000's comments and have applied them to myself, attempting to see mymyself from multiple angles.

Ultimately, what I've realized is that there is nothing inherently wrong with any astrological sign or planetary placement--even with those signs that irritate/frustrate us.

Arian Maverick


That's why qualifying remarks are important. "In my opinion", "your mileage may vary, " etc. We are approaching this subjectively - not objectively. What might be true for some (like my complete frustration with Mars in Cancer) may be perceived quite differently by another.

[natasa812]

As a pisces it should be virgo for me, but I auctually admire their practicality, attention to detail, hard working and honest in the sense they exist in the real world.

It's interesting Natasha says she considers both pisces and virgo as enemies... ( the virgo habit of attention to detail as the enemy not virgo itself)

You consider pisces enemiees because they misunderstand your directness?... but also dislike the virgo trait of their attention to detail...? maybe it's because the virgo understands your directness and you don't like their answers?

Don't consider saggitarius enemies despite being preachy and a bit righteous :tongue:




Please do not take anything personaly. It is just what I wrote - I speak (directly I hope - or Sagittariously bluntly :) ) and Pisces is so ``dreammy`` sometimes that they hear what they want to hear or a better version of reality. It might be better or less painful this way but I just can not do it...

And I know we are being preachy and righteous and bluntly honest (we call it just honesty) and maybe superficial and maybe flirtative (other members call it ``Unable to commit``) and of course ENEMY IS A ``HEAVY`` WORD... I would prefere ``disagreement`` or ``lack of communication`` or ``difficult chaneling`` or something...

About Virgos, sometimes we just loose time with detailes and we will not ACHIEVE OUR TARGETS (this is very Sagittarian I admit...)

Also, Pisces or Cancers are not my enemies - I just communicate better with other signs (Aries, Taurus, Libra, Leo, other Sagittarians on this Forum, Gemmini is also communicative and I find them playful and funny like us, Scorpio is quite harismatic and they also communicate in a sharp and direct way) and I do agree also with another member(s) that this thread brings no good to Forum (ok, I am preaching again and pinpointing to Forum members on how to behave...)


I hope you forgive me for anything I wrote. Didn`t mean to insult anyone...

Sagittariously bluntly ... :)

[aquarius7000]

What might be true for some (like my complete frustration with Mars in Cancer) may be perceived quite differently by another.Quite right! Or else we would all have the same, well, enemy. Different people, different charts, different lives and different experiences; and Experiences is what we are trying to share here. Only, it needs a broad mind and outlook to understand that. For instance, it is Green Mist's experience that Aquarius is quite detached (which Aquarius can appear to be on the downside). I would not say that this is stereotypical just because I am an Aquarius myself (the world does not revolve around me and I am not the most important person, who is always being discussed the moment the word Aquarius pops up). EVERYONE is just as free to share his/her experiences like m-any other on this thread, and should not be picked on just because the sign they mention is anyone's Sun/Moon, etc sign. This is really frustrating because it almost seems instillng fear of arguments and robbing another member of his freedom to contribute his experiences. I just have to say this this time.:)

In the past, a lot of fear has been created on this forum the moment ever a sign's negative qualities were mentioned. Some of those sign's individuals just got so hot under the collar using adjectives such as unfair and stereotypical, etc. This would mean that one should stay away from, firstly, creating such threads for fear that 'war' will break out, or simply not participate in them, as it is but obvious that there is some sign that one will pick out of personal experience, which has also been the case here. I mean isn't that why the thread was started: to share our experiences about certain signs. It is amazing how personally sometimes we take others' mere mention of one of the signs based on personal experiences (though they equally participate themselves with their own experiences), forgetting that we are not talking about them, just like they may say that they are not talking about someone else. I have found your post very interesting, Green Mist, as, like the posts of a few others, it explains why/due to which traits you find certain signs difficult instead of just calling them your enemy. It is in no way unfair (this comes from an impersonal and 'detached' Aquarian;)). Thank you for sharing. Personally, I have a 'close' Sagittarian friend, and his only trait that bothers me is the one I mentioned, which, interestingly, he himself agrees, too, as he often gets the same feedback from many others. He is fun to be with, and, when this Aqua gets together with that Sag friend, we rock together. I also have some Scorp friends. Simply mentioning the negative quality of a sign does not automatically imply that that sign has no positive ones.

Am off to check out other interesting threads.

:)AQ7

[Arian Maverick]

It is amazing how personally sometimes we take others' mere mention of one of the signs based on personal experiences (though they equally participate themselves with their own experiences), forgetting that we are not talking about them, just like they may say that they are not talking about someone else.

Regarding aquarius7000's comments, particularly the one I have quoted above, I believe we all need to accept that others have different ways of perceiving the world, and there is an intuitive complement to logical rationalization. Some individuals respond more to the energy of certain words, rather than directly to what is being said--and then they perceive the other individual as being irrational. Rationalization may be worshipped in western society, particularly in the fields of science and medicine, but it is not the only way in which to perceive the world. Intuitive types need to incorporate rationalization to their stylistic way of thinking/behaving, which I believe is the point of her post--but logical types need to incorporate intuition just as much. We can learn much from each other, although we may get into a few arguments along the way :wink:

I've been researching the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator lately, and I've discovered that I am an Introversion-Intuition-Feeling-Perceiving (INFP) type. Feeling-Perceiving types tend to respond negatively to Thinking-Judging types when such types deliver criticism. It's not so much the criticism itself as the way in which it is delivered. INFP's in particular feel a strong need to give and receive positive feedback, and they are affected enormously by the environment in which they work. Thinking-Judging types often have difficulty understanding why Feeling-Perceiving types take things so personally--though, as we've expressed before, there's nothing wrong with either of these types. I hope we're all in agreement on this issue, because sometimes one's words may bely one's true feelings. This, too, is quite frustrating.

I'm thinking about creating a thread about possible connections between the Myers-Briggs type indicator and astrology, if there is sufficient interest.

I actually kind of hate myself so the opposite would be lovely.

This is a profound statement on so many levels, Jenna. No matter which kind of system one may apply--astrological zodiac signs, Myers-Briggs Type Indicator, etc--we need our opposites. We need the friction our interactions sometimes cause before we ultimately meld together. It's a beautiful process, although it can appear quite ugly at times.

It is my hope that the conversations on this thread may result in increased understanding, rather than harbored resentment.

Arian Maverick

[Frank]

I've been researching the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator lately, and I've discovered that I am an Introversion-Intuition-Feeling-Perceiving (INFP) type. Feeling-Perceiving types tend to respond negatively to Thinking-Judging types when such types deliver criticism. It's not so much the criticism itself as the way in which it is delivered. INFP's in particular feel a strong need to give and receive positive feedback, and they are affected enormously by the environment in which they work.

Oh, quit your crying and do what you're told!

- An ENTJ :smile:

[Arian Maverick]

Oh, quit your crying and do what you're told!

- An ENTJ :smile:

Yes, sir! :tongue:

I've spoken my piece, and I feel there is nothing more I can contribute to this thread. Thus, I will take aquarius7000's advice and depart. Perhaps there's a feature on the forums to help me. Can one choose to "ignore" certain threads like one may "ignore" a certain member? I don't like the idea of "ignoring" members, but aquarius7000 has a point that certain thread topics may only breed discontent. It would be quite helpful if there was a way for a user to hide such threads from him or herself. It's difficult for some people ignore a thread the old-fashioned way when it stares you in the face repeatedly on the "New Posts" screen.

Arian Maverick

[divine g]

Interesting post, I just learned that:
1.Aquariuses love to oppose my Leo Ascendant naturally it seems..grrr... My only true enemy for a long time has been an aquarius. Started out as my friend, never hated him, he just hated me.

2. My Gemini sun makes conversations with Virgo suns impossible. Literally awkward silences, both of us have nothing to say.

3. Pisces sun square my gem sun..alot of issues with communication also. Sometimes it's like why bother, it's like speaking another language

4. Taurus and Scorpios..I attract physically to my Leo Ascendant, but that sexual tension usually turns into actual tension. 2 signs I love to hate, we're all fixed signs, so stubborn in admitting we're not good for each other, so keep coming back. At one point I had 3 Tauruses in a row break my heart. My last Taurus girl actually physically caused pain in my heart, I had to see a doctor. They really know how to get to me(esp. my mars in leo..wow)

5.Cancer rules my 12th of secret enemies, so not surprisingly, I dont know any Cancers! But my last girlfriend had moon in Cancer opposite my Capricorn moon, and it definitely turned into direct oppositon to each other emotionally, real adversarial.

But I have learned to be more patient from Tauruses(who take their sweet time writing back to me). I've learned that communication with out words can be more powerful from Pisces. I've learned that there's always someone ready to knock me off my pedestal and to check my ego and be more humble from Aquarius(hey Aq7!). Virgoes taught me the great rewards of paying more attention to detail, and at least coming as close to perfection in my work as a I can. And as a Leo ascendant, I guess I must really look like a Leo and that Leos tend to stay away from me because I dont know any.

All My best friends have been Sages, opp. my gemini sun..we have fights but always seem to be magnetically brought back together..All in all, Virgoes seem to really get on my nerves, but I guess thats just cuz im a gemini..sorry virgoes!:innocent: Oh one more thing, Jupiter in Aries..O-my-God..by definition, HUGE egoes..wow:rolleyes:

[aquarius7000]

Perhaps there's a feature on the forums to help me. Can one choose to "ignore" certain threads like one may "ignore" a certain member?I am not aware of an "ignore" feature for threads (as there is one for members), but there is an 'unsubscribe' one. Choosing this will stop new-post notifications, if notiications are received by a member, ie. One might, nonetheless, feel tempted to click on that same unsubscribed thread the moment it appears in the 'New Posts' section, so only 'self-restraint' might help to detach oneself from a thread/topic.

I don't like the idea of "ignoring" members, but aquarius7000 has a point that certain thread topics may only breed discontent. So that no misunderstandings arise, esp towards the thread poster, I'd like to quickly clarify that I actually was not really saying that certain thread topics cause discontent, but more that some of our reactions might. Having said that, certainly certain topics are more controversial than others. Actually, one should be able to discuss just about any sign/house/planet/aspect (the necessary and basic ingredients of Astrolgy) with both their goods and esp bads without people taking anything personally.

Back to the original topic, I remember reading somewhere that, in a synastry, one should look for what of the other person falls in one's 12th house. Another thing, sometimes we might feel uncomfortable with those, who have that (aspect/placement) what we ourselves do not, as they might make us aware of it. This, if one chooses to see positively, also helps to compensate us with what we ourselves lack, for eg, in a partnership. As they say, opposites attract. Further, people with similar (esp difficult) aspects/placements as ourselves may also make us uncomfortable, as they might reflect our own shortcomings.

:)AQ7

[GreenMist]

natasa812,

No, I don't take anything you said personally.. I was just curious that you dislike both the vagueness from pisces and the attention to detail from virgo when communicating... seems a bit of a contrast

As for directness, you seemed to have ignored that point....:annoyed:

I can handle directness.. I'm not sure what you mean by that? Maybe it's because I have aries in mercury but I have no problem handling "directness"

[Arian Maverick]

So that no misunderstandings arise, esp towards the thread poster, I'd like to quickly clarify that I actually was not really saying that certain thread topics cause discontent

Thank you for that clarification, aquarius7000. I should have stated that certain thread topics are likely to breed discontent among forum members who have had certain life experiences that incline them to be sensitive to certain topics.

Actually, one should be able to discuss just about any sign/house/planet/aspect (the necessary and basic ingredients of Astrolgy) with both their goods and esp bads without people taking anything personally.

Yes, but negative comments should be expressed in a thoughtful matter, one which is considerate of the personality characteristics of Thinking-Judging types as well as Feeling-Perceiving types. Of course, even great care cannot prevent misunderstanding, unfortunately--especially in online forums. This is because words are an insignificant component of human communication. I think the reason why so much misunderstanding occurs is because we cannot observe facial expressions and body language or hear tone of voice.

Back to the original topic, I remember reading somewhere that, in a synastry, one should look for what of the other person falls in one's 12th house. Another thing, sometimes we might feel uncomfortable with those, who have that (aspect/placement) what we ourselves do not, as they might make us aware of it. This, if one chooses to see positively, also helps to compensate us with what we ourselves lack, for eg, in a partnership. As they say, opposites attract. Further, people with similar (esp difficult) aspects/placements as ourselves may also make us uncomfortable, as they might reflect our own shortcomings.

This is quite enlightening. Thank you for the astrological insight! :smile:

Do you suppose the theory may be extended to include the signs on the cusps cadent houses, or perhaps the two other so-called "negative" houses, the sixth and the eighth houses?

I personally have a lot of difficult square aspects in cardinal signs, so I suppose I may expect to attract other cardinal types? Or do you suppose the planetary energies are more important than the sign modality of the planets forming the aspects?

Arian Maverick

[aquarius7000]

Regarding the 12th-house theory in connection with the topic, here (http://gryphonastrology.com/blog/2008/08/22/celebrity-astrology-who-are-your-enemies/) is some explanation, though this is not where I had read the original theory. If I find the site or the book, I will come back and mention it.

Or do you suppose the planetary energies are more important than the sign modality of the planets forming the aspects?It's difficult to compare each separately or even pick one, as the one is connected to or influenced by the other; but, since the planets stand for our different actions (or what we do), which make up or are performed by our being, like Merc for thinking/communicating, and Mars for action/passion; planets are certainly quite important. Of course, these actions will be coloured by the sign they are placed in. The aspects between two planets will show how the two planets interact with eachother, be this in a single natal chart or between two separate charts (synastry). I guess a lot depends on our own values, how we perceive and how comfortable we are with own traits, etc. For instance, if person X is quite emotional himself, is comfortable with this trait, and then meets a person Y, who is quite detached in his ways, uncomfortable with display of emotions (say, one with Aqua energies), X might find Y not responding the way he expects him to, even feel rejected (e.g. typical clash between Aqua-Cancer/Pisces energies). Further, since he is comfortable with his emotions and likes the being-emotional part, X might have real problems correlating to Y. However, if X perceives his own over-emotionality as problematic, he might be very attracted by the ways of Y, as he might see it as a balance. This is a bit subjective and there are always exceptions. The same would go for one with planets in cardinal signs, who is used to action; and might find someone with concentration of planets in cadent houses as unmoving and just too slow for his taste. It is a case again of opposites may attract eachother towards love or hate.

:)AQ7

[Hybrid_soul]

WOW um i get along with:

sun in aquarius/Libras
Mercury in Pisces
Venus in Aries/ Sagittarius
Mars in sagittarius

[dreamtimez]

This is rather strange ! My astrological 'enemy' will be Aquarius all the way (Sun, Moon, Mars, Mercury) and a little bit of Capricorn (Venus) ... to sum up it seems the people ruled by Saturn :bandit:

[Lissa]

I am rather pacific person,I do not have any enemies,even when people try to annoy me I rarely(if ever) respond.I just don't like being upset and letting others get in my way so even if I get angered sometimes,it goes away quickly(Aries Moon,Mercury,Venus/Gemini Mars.Can't hold grudges either).I don't know what it's like to hate someone,once again I may get angered at someone but then it goes away and I just move on with my life.It's on the best things about me if you ask.

But,I need to admit I have a problem with Sagittarius guysI've been greatly hurt by two Sags in the past,both of them had their late Saggie Sun in square to my sensitive Pisces Sun.So,I am thinking I should probably marry a Sag and make their life a living hell,just so I can get back at all the Sags who hurt me in the past.I will cry my heart out in bed every night just to annoy my future Sag husband,I will lock them in the house and spend endless hours talking about my feelings.I will complain about everything they do and everytime they come up with something exciting and fun for us to do,I will say 'no,no,you can't do that'.I will annoy him to the point where he will take his horse legs out and run like mad.The my Scorpio Pluto will be satisfied(I have never fullfilled my Pluto's desires,must do that someday:bandit:)and I will be a happier person.

The fishes will defeat the centaur,at last!

[natasa812]

...I should probably marry a Sag and make their life a living hell,just so I can get back at all the Sags who hurt me in the past.I will cry my heart out in bed every night just to annoy my future Sag husband,I will lock them in the house and spend endless hours talking about my feelings.I will complain about everything they do and everytime they come up with something exciting and fun for us to do,I will say 'no,no,you can't do that'.I will annoy him to the point where he will take his horse legs out and run like mad...

The fishes will defeat the centaur,at last!


A woman to woman tips on how to destroy a Sagittarian man ;)

Dear Lissa, I am Sagittarius but as a woman, if you want to destroy a Sagittarian, this is what you must do.
Just reading your post, sounds like a nightmare. I remember a Cancer one - who wanted to have a relationship with me - I couldn`t understand a single word. He was talking about feelinigs, confused feelings, confused situations, his mother confused feelings and feelings generaly. Just thinking about it, my blood pressure is rising :w00t: So, talk about feelings - A LOT.
Also, with Pisces persons (generaly) - no fun, just some general clowdy confusion - never could understand a word... (sory for the general approach). And what about are they sensitive so much? Couldn`t understand this eather. So, the 2nd step is sensitivity about - like everything...
3rd: Locking a Sagittarius in the house? And no freedom? This will destroy him for sure...
4. Annoying him AND in the bed? A world catastrophe... But even a general annoying while talking about our voyages and experiences and what we have learned and studied in life would be just fine...:sideways:
5. Complaining is also an excellent method. We are more ``do persons`` than ``think`` or ``talk``... I remember a Virgo ex and his obsession with detailes and fixing it and everything ``in order`` and me just going for the ``target`` or the ``goal`` and we will fix those detailes later...

So, the receipt is: we put a lot of feelings in the deep frying pan, add some complaining, make it spicy with general ignoring, cover the components with the vacuum shutter (no freedom we said), add 2 glasses of water so it becomes so steamy that he sees nothing in the Piscean fog, stir it frequently for more confusion, no exotic dressing because we like exotic food and, put it on a low temperature for a slow cooking (nothing fast, nothing immeadiate we said) and this will make a Sagittarian mad...:sick:

[natasa812]

natasa812,

No, I don't take anything you said personally.. I was just curious that you dislike both the vagueness from pisces and the attention to detail from virgo when communicating... seems a bit of a contrast

As for directness, you seemed to have ignored that point....:annoyed:

I can handle directness.. I'm not sure what you mean by that? Maybe it's because I have aries in mercury but I have no problem handling "directness"


Thank you for your reply, I am glad you didn`t take anything personaly. Yes, probably, I ignored some points (maybe Sagittariously superficaly)... :)
And even if it is somehow contradictory (about vagueness form Pisces and detail from Virgo), I see no contrast in this (sorry, but it is true). I just don`t like both.
In past, I had communication difficulties with Pisces and what I mean with directness is that I just expect a concrete answer on a concrete question. What I have to learn in here is that I have no right to demand anything from people and if I ask my mother (Pisces) did she put the advertisement in the newspaper today, she has every right to talk about the Summer, how hot it is today because todays temperature is... whatever, about her feelings, about her Cancer neighbour friend, and when I ask how is the weather related to the question that needs only one YES or NO SIMPLE answer, she starts crying and telling me ``of course it is related``. And then, she even feels ``attacked`` from me and ``scared`` from my ``directness``...and she even askes me why I am so mad? But again, I have no right to demand any answer (concrete or not) from anyone, eather to ask people to talk in a certain way... The most difficult lesson indeed...
This is the kind of confusion I was talking about...

[Lissa]

Natasa,I cannot possibly tell you how much your post made me laugh!:biggrin::w00t:

If you ever want to get back at us Pisceans-here's how...

1.Ignore our long talks about feelings and our emotions.Or,even better-ignore us when we talk.Let us talk a lot,don't answer and just mumble "humm,hummm,I see".Or turn the TV sound very loud while we're talking.

2.Ignore us when we cry.If you ever see us crying,scream at us-even more than annoying us,that breaks our heart.Or,if oyu don't want to be so mean,just coldly hand us a paper tissue when we cry.

3.Ignore our conversations about our hopes and dreams.Whe we're talking about our dream of having 7 children and living in a lovely home that looks like it was taken straight out of a fairytale,change the subject quickly.

4.Just ignore us.

5.In bed,skip foreplay and go straight to *you know what*.Afterwards,turn on the TV and watch wrestling.Don't cuddle,don't talk to us.You can also turn to the side and start snoring.This should be enough to get us crying for the night-and if you wake up in the middle of the night and seee us in tears,go back to point #2.

6.Respond coldly to our every attempt to please you-say you don't like the hand made present we made especially for you("sorry you are no craftsman,where is your ability with your hands?"-this should work),the lovely flowers we picked up just for you on the way home.

7.Make no effort to establish an emotional connection with us.

8.Say you hate everything we like.Music,food,books-everytime we say there's something you like,talk trash about it.

9.Make us do sexually perverse,kinky things.This should make any Piscean man/woman run away in tears.

Hope some of you find this little "How to annoy a Pisces Guide" useful!

[Shining Ray]

Wow this topic exploded, it tends to do that when it's a subject about astrological signs. We study the "round art" (astrology) and without opposites we would be studying a semi-circle, which is incomplete and doesn't encompass the whole reality of life, we have no opposite sign to compare how our natures can become balanced, obvious but true.

http://www.hyperflight.com/images/semi-circle_radial_symmetry.gif

One usually can't exist without the other, war/peace or individual/group. I find the signs that follow us exhibit an opposite nature as in Leo pride and self-expression and Virgo's humble nature. Planets exhibit opposite natures (Jupiter and Saturn). According to psychological astrology air and water are opposites in nature and Fire and earth.

But since this subject concerns only opposite signs, I do think we balance each-other out, the trines agree with each-other, the squares create the most friction, sextiles can harmonize and are less flowing.

The Aries pioneering, assertive identity works well when there is compromise and consideration, it's not until a sign reaches it's opposite that we learn how we can best balance our energy. From the very first point of "Identity" :aries: all the way to :libra:, do we realize that our actions (Aries) have consequences upon other people (Libra). This is from a broad perspective.

The two signs of "identity" and "self expression", Aries and Leo are two self-expressive fire signs, and their opposites Libra and Aquarius relate to other people through the public, or in a personal relationship and represent the group, and friendships etc. Libra can learn about self-direction and assertiveness from Aries. Aquarius with their detachment and intellectualism can learn from Leo a sign that rules the heart and his basic need is to be an individual, with warmth, and self-expression (shining in his individuality) - and not getting lost in the crowd. Leo can need all the attention and approval, and this can be balanced by a broader perspective and looking at the needs of the group, and he can learn detachment and objectivity (Aquarius). All the opposites share similar modes of action whether mutability or fixed or cardinal natures. They can elementally and mutually work together and often they have a lot in common.

Cancer and Capricorn are both focused on security, yet, Cancer is orientated toward the family, nurturing and emotional well being. Capricorn is often the bread winner, and authority, and is dependable when it comes to material support. However, both signs have traditional values, and archetypally they are seen as the Mother and Father image. The family needs both of these signs to function and feel supported on both levels, too much materialism and worldly objectives leave the family's emotional needs neglected. Too much taking care of others and emotionalism, can lead to dependency. The whole cardinal square can be activated in this whole scenario to be honest. Your own identity :aries: trying to form with others :libra:. We also have the family's needs :cancer: and your own contribution to society, and responsibility :capricorn:. I guess it's not called a cardinal grand cross for nothing. I have a headache now... too much stress.

You notice when a relationship ends (Libra), and your back to focusing on your identity (Aries), and you no longer have another person to consider, and you can do what you like in your own home. You can paint the whole house pink if you want (bad idea) with no objections, or having to ask "do you like this colour, because you have to live with the colour too" or "what about this settee" etc. It's freedom of individual expression, you can do what you want. It's like that when you leave mum and dads home (Cancer - Capricorn). When I first moved out I was like "Yes I can make my own rules now, more independence (Aries), until you meet someone (Libra) and have children and then you are the "Mum and Dad" and your kids can't wait to move out and get away from you :lol:. Isn't life fun...

Blah blah blah. :smile:

[divine g]

Lissa,
I must admit, your post was a bit scary, as I had a Scorpio ex who decided to make me pay for all of her past boyfriends' infidelities. And in true Scorpio fashion, she kept her dark agenda secret, so I had no idea that she was being the girlfriend from hell on purpose.

How can innocent people protect themselves from being destroyed by Scorpio? And being that it's the sign of death and rebirth, is there any way to truly destroy a Scorpio? Because it seems the harder you try, the stronger they get!:pinched:

[Lissa]

Divine_G-no need to be scared!I honestly couldn't hurt a fly(unless...it was a Sagittarean fly:bandit::w00t:).

Sorry that you went through with such a thing with your Scorpio ex-the way Scorpios can be revengeful is just so sad.I am really sorry that you had to go through that-Scorpios are otherwise a wonderful sign-don't let that one bad experience scare you for good.

[natasa812]

The way to destroy any "enemy" is to make them your friend..........or buy them a copy of the Cameron Diaz Movie "My Sister's Keeper" (about loving others unconditionally).

EJ:love:


Thank you Dear EJ, you always make me think.
Post was funny (about cooking a male Sagittarian in a deep fryin pan... :) )


Generally, trying to apply your wise advices in personal life. Wish me luck.

Natasha :love:

[AquaScorpio]

:sun: in Virgo
:moon: in Gemini
:mercury: in Virgo
:venus: in Virgo
:mars: in Leo

No offense to any Virgos on here but the traits of a typical Virgo irritate me so very much. The worst part is their critical nature, I've had an encounter with one such person, she would criticize on some things and be very hurtful (maybe without knowing it) and when I'd match her wit (and most of the time, surpass it) then she'd call me the mean one. Can dish it out but can't take it eh? However, I'm sure a Virgo would dislike me just as much hahah. As for the moon in Gemini, that is by far the WORST place for it to be to me, as I like loyal and honest people. I didn't put toooo much thought into the Mars and Venus aspects but Leo's pride can be an annoyance and Virgo just adds to the Sun and Mercury.

[divine g]

Wow, seems Virgoes are taking a beating in this thread..!:pinched:

To quote myself, I said last week
My Gemini sun makes conversations with Virgo suns impossible. Literally awkward silences, both of us have nothing to say.

Funny, that's exactly what happened to me yesterday. A girl sent a flirty message to me online, I sent one back, and that was that, silence. I checked her page, and saw she was a Virgo, with Saturn right on top of her sun now. Not necessarily an enemy, but that communication thing is eerie..if I had known she was a Virgo, I wouldnt have wasted time flirting back!

[katydid]

Wow, seems Virgoes are taking a beating in this thread..!:pinched:

To quote myself, I said last week


Funny, that's exactly what happened to me yesterday. A girl sent a flirty message to me online, I sent one back, and that was that, silence. I checked her page, and saw she was a Virgo, with Saturn right on top of her sun now. Not necessarily an enemy, but that communication thing is eerie..if I had known she was a Virgo, I wouldnt have wasted time flirting back!

So maybe, after she received your reply, she looked on YOUR page, saw your Gemini status, and decided not to waste her time. :whistling::devil::biggrin:

[divine g]

lol no it was on myspace, i only have a music page so no one there knows my sign:bandit::biggrin:

but that's the scary thing even if i we never knew each other's signs, it seems like the stars conspire to keep gemini and virgoes from getting too close?:unsure:

[AquaScorpio]

It does seem strange how you can carry on conversations with people much easier than others.

And I didn't mean to make Virgo out to be so bad, it's just they possess traits I don't easily get along with. They can be good people as I have had a few friends with Suns in Virgo. However, one really bad experience with a typical Virgo made me dislike the sign hahah.

[divine g]

Yeah, I dont want to offend any Virgoes either, it's just that I had 3 Virgoes in a row last year say some offensive things to me..and I knew it was a sign(no pun intended).

It's on the mutable cross with Gemini, Sage, and Pisces, but on my chart, Virgo is empty so I'm a bit biased. Sages and I bond instantly, naturally. I have tension with Pisces, but they love to talk, so convoes are easy. Geminis are my twins. But that darn Virgo, I can only think of one I was close to, and that didnt last long.

I guess Saturn in Virgo is giving them a bad rap now, bc there were a few people on this thread who had issues with them. Now the stars are playing a cruel joke on me because my progressed ascendant is now on the cusp of virgo. so now im starting to see their annoying traits in myself lol..been analyzing everything to death lately..so in some ways, I've been feeling like my own worst enemy..:unsure:

[AquaScorpio]

Yeah, I dont want to offend any Virgoes either, it's just that I had 3 Virgoes in a row last year say some offensive things to me..and I knew it was a sign(no pun intended).

It's on the mutable cross with Gemini, Sage, and Pisces, but on my chart, Virgo is empty so I'm a bit biased. Sages and I bond instantly, naturally. I have tension with Pisces, but they love to talk, so convoes are easy. Geminis are my twins. But that darn Virgo, I can only think of one I was close to, and that didnt last long.

I guess Saturn in Virgo is giving them a bad rap now, bc there were a few people on this thread who had issues with them. Now the stars are playing a cruel joke on me because my progressed ascendant is now on the cusp of virgo. so now im starting to see their annoying traits in myself lol..been analyzing everything to death lately..so in some ways, I've been feeling like my own worst enemy..:unsure:

Haha right now my progressed moon is in Virgo...I don't really feel it tho. And it opposes my progressed Pisces Sun. I can definitely feel the Piscean energy throughout my chart (Sun/Merc/Venus/Jupiter)

But yah Virgos can be really offensive, and turn into big babies if you criticize them on anything.

[Capricornius_Aquarius]

I don't have very many enemies,but when I do,they tend to have
:sun: in :aries:
or :sun: in :libra:. (this means my father).

I don't really get along with signs that are compatable with :sun: in :aquarius: like I am suppossed to. Sorry.

[Jenna Jupiter]

Natasa,I cannot possibly tell you how much your post made me laugh!:biggrin::w00t:

If you ever want to get back at us Pisceans-here's how...

1.Ignore our long talks about feelings and our emotions.Or,even better-ignore us when we talk.Let us talk a lot,don't answer and just mumble "humm,hummm,I see".Or turn the TV sound very loud while we're talking.

2.Ignore us when we cry.If you ever see us crying,scream at us-even more than annoying us,that breaks our heart.Or,if oyu don't want to be so mean,just coldly hand us a paper tissue when we cry.

3.Ignore our conversations about our hopes and dreams.Whe we're talking about our dream of having 7 children and living in a lovely home that looks like it was taken straight out of a fairytale,change the subject quickly.

4.Just ignore us.

5.In bed,skip foreplay and go straight to *you know what*.Afterwards,turn on the TV and watch wrestling.Don't cuddle,don't talk to us.You can also turn to the side and start snoring.This should be enough to get us crying for the night-and if you wake up in the middle of the night and seee us in tears,go back to point #2.

6.Respond coldly to our every attempt to please you-say you don't like the hand made present we made especially for you("sorry you are no craftsman,where is your ability with your hands?"-this should work),the lovely flowers we picked up just for you on the way home.

7.Make no effort to establish an emotional connection with us.

8.Say you hate everything we like.Music,food,books-everytime we say there's something you like,talk trash about it.

9.Make us do sexually perverse,kinky things.This should make any Piscean man/woman run away in tears.

Hope some of you find this little "How to annoy a Pisces Guide" useful!


I thought this was the Pisces how to book. The pisces i have known are willing to do pretty much everything. Some Pisces are to confused to notice when people take advantage of them. :innocent:

Usually however if your involved with a Pisces - Take what you want and leave. There are to much confusion going on there.

/JJ

[siamese_dream]

I don't have people I consider to be enemies, although there are a lot of people I dislike...they tend to be:

Females: Aquarian (I have DC in Aquarius, LOVE the males, almost all of my closest male friends, past and present, are Aquas....but the females tend to be a bit too arrogant for my liking), Virgo (bossy, always trying to tell everyone what to do...mind your own **** business!)

Males: Scorpio (too emotional, tend to be whiny, trying to push that emotion onto me..no thanks)

Both sexes: Libra (manipulative...always trying to look like "the nice one" by pleasing everyone, it's all just a game, give it up!)

[dreamtimez]

How can innocent people protect themselves from being destroyed by Scorpio? And being that it's the sign of death and rebirth, is there any way to truly destroy a Scorpio? Because it seems the harder you try, the stronger they get!:pinched:

I have had recent success in this ! Try to be more mysterious (pretend, if you must) than the Scorpio ... it won't fail ! :cool:

[dreamtimez]

Can dish it out but can't take it eh? However, I'm sure a Virgo would dislike me just as much hahah.

Yes, that's it ! Virgos think criticism is just their own domain. They criticize others and themselves too. But they donot like criticism from others ! I have Virgo rising btw ... :bandit: my Progressed ascendant has been in Libra for as long as I remember. So the critical strain is not that strong :devil:

[GreenMist]

Funny that you menton Taurus. In my opinion they are one of the best signs.

Dependable, stable, peace loving, comfort seeking are at the core of aspirations for most intelligent people world wide, humanists, buddhists, christians etc all have these aspirations at their core.

As a piscean I admire Taurus.. and they are certainly ruled by Venus. A very trustworthy and dependable sign if not a little stubborn and resistant to change.

[divine g]

@Green mist and mkm83,
I also like Taurus in the ideal way..they really have the potential to be the most faithful sign I think..depending on other aspects of course..

Oh and Dreamtimez
Try to be more mysterious (pretend, if you must) than the Scorpio ... it won't fail ! :cool:Thank you so much! I feel really vindicated..I have Scorpio traits myself that I think she helped me get in touch with..I think that's what attracted her to me is that I looked hard to figure out. Maybe some of my mystery was lost as I opened up. Now, she has NO idea what I've been up to, I've even kept a distance from our mutual friend who introduced us. It's good to know that if she asks him what I'm up to, he'll have to say "I have no idea":wink:

[AquaScorpio]

I don't have very many enemies,but when I do,they tend to have
:sun: in :aries:
or :sun: in :libra:. (this means my father).

I don't really get along with signs that are compatable with :sun: in :aquarius: like I am suppossed to. Sorry.

I'm the same way, Geminis are supposed to be one of my best matches, however I only like them as friends. Girls with suns or especially moons in geminis irritate me to no end, so bi-polar, manipulative, and dishonest. Blah.