Is My Boyfriend Pisces or Aries Ascendant?

[normak]

Ok. I am having a hell of a time figuring out what ascendant my boyfriend has. He is a Virgo, born September 1, 1980, and was supposedly born at 7:30 PM that day (Pisces Ascendant). He is pretty short but athletic and compact, and also maybe a slight roundness of face; which could account for the Pisces influence. Now, if he were born only a half hour later, he would have an early Aries ascendant, which would suit his brusqueness of manner, his military (Marine) experience and bearing, and his tendency to walk with his head leading his body. He has no real planetary influences on his Ascendant, aside from a Saturn opposition. Virgoan planets: Sun, Mercury, Jupiter, and Saturn. Mars and Uranus in Scorpio, Neptune in Sagittarius, Moon in Gemini, Venus in Cancer. What do you guys think? The first picture is one of him when he was in the Marines two years ago and the other is an older, casual one.

[Frank]

Since we don't have the entire chart to look at, I'd suggest looking at what Mars (Domocile ruler of Aries) and Jupiter (Domocile ruler of Pisces) are doing in his chart, and judge accordingly.

You can also have him try to obtain a birth certificate with an accurate, documented time and remove all doubt.

[normak]

Since we don't have the entire chart to look at, I'd suggest looking at what Mars (Domocile ruler of Aries) and Jupiter (Domocile ruler of Pisces) are doing in his chart, and judge accordingly.

You can also have him try to obtain a birth certificate with an accurate, documented time and remove all doubt.


Oh yeah, I can post the chart too! I have a chart for him based on what I suspect is an early Aries Ascendant. So, here goes!

[Frank]

Does he have a scar on the upper third of his head (aroundeye level or above)?

[normak]

Does he have a scar on the upper third of his head (aroundeye level or above)?


He has one on his neck (from staph infection when he was in Iraq) and one on his forehead somewhere; nothing really noticeable; he has a ruddy complexion with large pores, gets breakouts frequently, and has little scars/freckles here and there on his face. He also has more of a "piercing" gaze and his eyebrows are really thick. He has a bit of a unibrow but shaves between his eyebrows. :P Don't know if that helps. :tongue:

I've tried chart rectification for him but can't seem to make it add up just right. His mother thinks he was born around 7:30 PM, he says, "around 7 PM" but the Pisces just doesn't seem to fit. He is very independent and tough, always speaks his mind (can be very blunt), and has a real military presence, whether from being a Marine or not. A few key dates:

He moved when he was 8 years old (born September 1, 1980)
He joined the Marines on October 14, 2001
Came back October 14, 2006
Got together with me May 12, 2008
New job/graduated college May 16, 2009

I'll see if I can track down some other helpful dates, but chart rectification has been tricky for him because he isn't exactly the most open-minded about astrology. He can be very stubborn and set in his ways :P

[Frank]

Well, those are arguments for early Aries rising, but you should still try for a documented time of birth.

[normak]

Well, those are arguments for early Aries rising, but you should still try for a documented time of birth.

I'd still feel weird about asking him for his birth certificate; the other problem being most birth certificates (including mine and my siblings') don't have birth times on them. Even though we're really close and we talk about getting married and having kids, I try to keep my astrological fascination a secret from him because I imagine he would see it as kind of eccentric or weird or something. (If I asked him to see his birth certificate he'd probably know it was for astrology purposes :P) I mean, I suppose having so much Scorpio in my chart also makes me a bit secretive about hobbies/interests, and consequently very sensitive to criticism. He is also probably the least spiritual/religious person I know. He's atheist and very much a practical, "no-nonsense" type of guy. :P I fear my options are limited to chart rectification for the time being, unfortunately.

[normak]

Anyone else wanna venture a guess? Maybe I should make a poll out of it. :tongue::biggrin:

[Frank]

Another thing you have to realize that a still photo really doesn't give one all one needs to know when trying to rectify a rising sign.

The walk, the way the person gestures, their posture, the way they act when taking to people (i.e. looking in the eyes, looking away, eyes wandering, etc.), and even their manners and the way they eat.

The pictures above both look very relaxed in demeanor - not suggestive of Aries/Mars really. Those sorts always seem to be in a hurry to go somewhere - or even nowhere.

As far as your reluctance to bring up astrology and your relationship goes, that might be a topic best reserved for another thread elsewhere on the forum.

[normak]

Another thing you have to realize that a still photo really doesn't give one all one needs to know when trying to rectify a rising sign.

The walk, the way the person gestures, their posture, the way they act when taking to people (i.e. looking in the eyes, looking away, eyes wandering, etc.), and even their manners and the way they eat.

The pictures above both look very relaxed in demeanor - not suggestive of Aries/Mars really. Those sorts always seem to be in a hurry to go somewhere - or even nowhere.



Yeah, he does have this kind of "controlled energy" to him, though. He appears to be very relaxed but is always in control of his movements and has an impatience to him that becomes very obvious when he talks to family members/close friends. :biggrin: He had ADHD as a kid and was taking medicine for it for years. His mom says he was a real hell-raiser; always getting into trouble and stuff. He also doesn't really typify the nebulous, dependent, spiritual side of the Pisces ascendant at all. He seems to know what he wants and once he sets a goal, he goes for it, and has an excellent work ethic. He is also not really sensitive at all. My sister, on the other hand, who is a classic Pisces ascendant, is very short and soft, with large, expressive eyes, large forehead, large mouth. Really dainty though; really suits her face. And, she is very emotional and cares the most about her relationships with people. She and my boyfriend seem almost like opposites. :P

[Arian Maverick]

Hello, normak!

As you probably know, I'm currently deliberating between the same two Ascendant signs. Perhaps it would be helpful if we enlist the help of astrofaces?

Unfortunately, both of the Virgo/Gemini/Pisces individuals are women:

http://www.astrofaces.com/astrofaces/photos/06/060312-1.jpg http://www.astrofaces.com/astrofaces/photos/06/060312-2.jpg

The Virgo/Gemini/Aries individual, however, is a man:

http://www.astrofaces.com/astrofaces/photos/06/060301-1.jpg

Arian Maverick

[noideaaboutastro]

For some reason he looks like a Pisces to me, but considering I am well off on everybody else's ascendant, do not take my advice:bandit:.

[normak]

Hello, normak!

As you probably know, I'm currently deliberating between the same two Ascendant signs. Perhaps it would be helpful if we enlist the help of astrofaces?

Unfortunately, both of the Virgo/Gemini/Pisces individuals are women:

http://www.astrofaces.com/astrofaces/photos/06/060312-1.jpg http://www.astrofaces.com/astrofaces/photos/06/060312-2.jpg

The Virgo/Gemini/Aries individual, however, is a man:

http://www.astrofaces.com/astrofaces/photos/06/060301-1.jpg

Arian Maverick

Yeah, he could fit either one, actually. Eyebrows, eyes, etc. match the Aries ascendant but his lips match the Pisces a bit more. GAHH

[normak]

New info: boyfriend does, indeed, have scar right under left eye from childhood. This would make even more of a case for the Aries AC, correct?

[Arian Maverick]

New info: boyfriend does, indeed, have scar right under left eye from childhood. This would make even more of a case for the Aries AC, correct?

Yes, I believe this is an indication for an Ascendant in the first decanate of Aries. Lilly used to use the positions of natives' scars as a factor to determine if a horary chart was valid, correct? I seem to recall reading this...

Arian Maverick

[normak]

Yes, I believe this is an indication for an Ascendant in the first decanate of Aries. Lilly used to use the positions of natives' scars as a factor to determine if a horary chart was valid, correct? I seem to recall reading this...

Arian Maverick


Interesting! Well, it certainly would provide additional confirmation for Aries AC.

[AquaScorpio]

Hmm I'd say Aries more than Pisces, I myself am an Aries rising. The look isn't as intense as a Scorpion gaze but it definitely looks more ready to spring into action. And idk if it's a common Aries Asc. trait but I only like to half smile.

[normak]

Hmm I'd say Aries more than Pisces, I myself am an Aries rising. The look isn't as intense as a Scorpion gaze but it definitely looks more ready to spring into action. And idk if it's a common Aries Asc. trait but I only like to half smile.


Yeah, in pictures he always does the half smile. :tongue: He has Mars in Scorpio so idk if that makes a difference, but since he doesn't really have any planets influencing his AC, I'm definitely thinking he's more Aries than anything. And, he is definitely always ready to spring into action, no matter how relaxed he may seem.:sideways:

[Arian Maverick]

A few key dates:

He moved when he was 8 years old (born September 1, 1980)
He joined the Marines on October 14, 2001
Came back October 14, 2006
Got together with me May 12, 2008
New job/graduated college May 16, 2009

I'm not good with chart rectification, either, but I noticed that his solar arc Moon was conjunct the natal IC (for the birth time you currently have for him) when he joined the Marines. Does this seem appropriate? I think there are more specific indicators of military action, but we're looking for solar arc planets conjunct the angles of the natal chart.

If we use the 7:30 PM time, then the solar arc Moon is conjunct his natal IC when he moves at the age of eight, which makes more sense to me. Does he know the precise day he moved? I just used his eighth birthday, which may not be correct because the Moon's a fast-moving planet. You'll have to check other dates, though--preferably with someone who has experience with solar arcs.

Arian Maverick

[astrologer50]

Not sure why this thread is in 'show off board' but hey Arian asked me to come in here cos I really like Solar arcs....

Solar Arcs
Solar arcs are really simple, especially for beginners, just move the Angles, Asc, Desc, MC, IC 1' for each year of your life onto planets and vice versa. Not just used for rectification either. Under age 12 though these interpretations are directed towards family changes, maybe relocation, job changes, illnesses, additions to family etc. Another example is my Pluto is 28' Leo in 7th house and my Uranus is 3' Leo in same house to subtract these and you get age 25. That year my then husband and I had an almight explosion (Uranus) and transformation (Pluto) of that marriage that started the demise and ultimate ending thereof....

Further research on solar arcs try these threads.
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12024&highlight=solar+arcs (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12024&highlight=solar+arcs)
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12958&highlight=solar+arcs (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12958&highlight=solar+arcs)
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6691&highlight=solar+arcs (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6691&highlight=solar+arcs)

Rectification of birth time
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KW0G2S2Ti4I (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KW0G2S2Ti4I)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYMX9X2C1BQ&NR=1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYMX9X2C1BQ&NR=1)
· Transiting Pluto square, conj opp Asc, Desc, MC, IC
· If under 12’ when it conj an Angle then their age was under age 12 it’s parents adjustments. A death, change within father’s work, a separation, remarriage.
· Adults or teens, 1st job, identity transformation MC.
· Pluto conj Desc = death, health concerns, geographic, significant relationship or break up, but has to be ‘life transforming’
· Also try transiting Neptune, something dissolving, disappearing, confusing etc.
· Timings of transits… is it the 1st hit? More often it’s the middle retrograde hit… but could be the last direct hit also. 1’ =4minutes in time.

http://www.frankstar.com/solararc.htm (http://www.frankstar.com/solararc.htm)
http://thezodiac.com/arcs.htm (http://thezodiac.com/arcs.htm)
http://www.donmc.com/Comparing%20Transits%20and%20Solar%20Arcs%20II.htm (http://www.donmc.com/Comparing%20Transits%20and%20Solar%20Arcs%20II.htm )
http://en.mimi.hu/astrology/solar_arc_directions.html (http://en.mimi.hu/astrology/solar_arc_directions.html)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrological_progression (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrological_progression)


Now SA IC conj Venus in 4th house age 21 should have been a serious romantic relationship. Age 20 SA moon conj IC house move.
I've found gemini & mutable moons capable of loving more than one person at a time, restless procrastinating and indecisive and you have this moon in 3rd house of gemini, does he answer a question with a question? Typical 'why' child why why why??

I agree scars on forehead are very common for Aries rising. Venus in cancer in 4th really wants and gets pleasure from family and home roots, I wouldn't have thought I would get a job like a marine and be away from the family. That stellium in virgo in 6th house of virgo must be a 'born worrier' extremely analytical and wants to be in the background, paying attention to details.

You need to ask family and him questions about childhood particularly upto age 12-14. What age did any siblings arrive, any house moves, anyone die, health problems this sort of thing.

If he were Pisces Asc that would put his virgoan planets in 7th house of libra and that would make him lots more indecisive procrastinating and argumentative. Plus his mars there now, but if it moves to 8th house of 'sex' hey....:biggrin:

T Pluto would be conj his MC NOW if your time was right and this is a 'biggie' major transit. My father died when Pluto conj my MC by the time it finished, my marriage broke down, I got a job.

Now there is a huge difference between Pisces and Aries. Aries will walk quickly make snap decisions, be impulsive, impatient, start lots of things and not always finish them, not good with money either except spending it, soon to flare up and down, doesn't hold grudges.

Pisces Asc like Aquarius moves very quickly at that time of day sometimes it only last for 30-40minutes. Pisces Asc I have read quite often have had a hard/difficult childhood, which is what you seem to imply, square peg in a round whole so don't discount this Asc. I think Gemini and Pisces are prob the most difficult Asc signs, but karmically I beleive we have had a hand in chosing the chart before reincarnating anyway....:w00t:

Just to add another variance, I'm a modern astrologer that uses Equal house system and 1/7th are huge, same as 6/12th. Now he's obviously on his saturn return, critical time going over all his virgo planets there and if/when it gets to 7th house cusp could really 'test' a relationship to breaking point or become more serious/committed.

Go back to childhood and quizz about what happened their, that's the key, talk to his mother more. If born in UK time won't be on a birth cert unless a twin or born in Scotland, but most GP surgeries can have a time, or write to the hospital, pay a small fee and get it from the horses mouth.

Last but not least, T mars and mercury over the Asc is very noticeable, for action and communication. Here is a great online ephemeris for plotting when this will be.
http://www.khaldea.com/kldaephem/2000/jun2009gmt.shtml

Hope this helps

[normak]

I'm not good with chart rectification, either, but I noticed that his solar arc Moon was conjunct the natal IC (for the birth time you currently have for him) when he joined the Marines. Does this seem appropriate? I think there are more specific indicators of military action, but we're looking for solar arc planets conjunct the angles of the natal chart.

If we use the 7:30 PM time, then the solar arc Moon is conjunct his natal IC when he moves at the age of eight, which makes more sense to me. Does he know the precise day he moved? I just used his eighth birthday, which may not be correct because the Moon's a fast-moving planet. You'll have to check other dates, though--preferably with someone who has experience with solar arcs.

Arian Maverick

I still think it might be the 8:23 time because when I used the 7:30 time there were no significant contacts between solar arc planets and angles for when he joined the Marines. Also, he said he moved "around 3rd or 4th grade," which doesn't really give a specific age or time period for when he moved as a child.

[normak]

Now SA IC conj Venus in 4th house age 21 should have been a serious romantic relationship. Age 20 SA moon conj IC house move.
I've found gemini & mutable moons capable of loving more than one person at a time, restless procrastinating and indecisive and you have this moon in 3rd house of gemini, does he answer a question with a question? Typical 'why' child why why why??

I agree scars on forehead are very common for Aries rising. Venus in cancer in 4th really wants and gets pleasure from family and home roots, I wouldn't have thought I would get a job like a marine and be away from the family. That stellium in virgo in 6th house of virgo must be a 'born worrier' extremely analytical and wants to be in the background, paying attention to details.

You need to ask family and him questions about childhood particularly upto age 12-14. What age did any siblings arrive, any house moves, anyone die, health problems this sort of thing.

If he were Pisces Asc that would put his virgoan planets in 7th house of libra and that would make him lots more indecisive procrastinating and argumentative. Plus his mars there now, but if it moves to 8th house of 'sex' hey....:biggrin:

T Pluto would be conj his MC NOW if your time was right and this is a 'biggie' major transit. My father died when Pluto conj my MC by the time it finished, my marriage broke down, I got a job.

Now there is a huge difference between Pisces and Aries. Aries will walk quickly make snap decisions, be impulsive, impatient, start lots of things and not always finish them, not good with money either except spending it, soon to flare up and down, doesn't hold grudges.

Pisces Asc like Aquarius moves very quickly at that time of day sometimes it only last for 30-40minutes. Pisces Asc I have read quite often have had a hard/difficult childhood, which is what you seem to imply, square peg in a round whole so don't discount this Asc. I think Gemini and Pisces are prob the most difficult Asc signs, but karmically I beleive we have had a hand in chosing the chart before reincarnating anyway....:w00t:

Just to add another variance, I'm a modern astrologer that uses Equal house system and 1/7th are huge, same as 6/12th. Now he's obviously on his saturn return, critical time going over all his virgo planets there and if/when it gets to 7th house cusp could really 'test' a relationship to breaking point or become more serious/committed.

Go back to childhood and quizz about what happened their, that's the key, talk to his mother more. If born in UK time won't be on a birth cert unless a twin or born in Scotland, but most GP surgeries can have a time, or write to the hospital, pay a small fee and get it from the horses mouth.

Last but not least, T mars and mercury over the Asc is very noticeable, for action and communication. Here is a great online ephemeris for plotting when this will be.
http://www.khaldea.com/kldaephem/2000/jun2009gmt.shtml

Hope this helps

I had some comments on your comments. :biggrin: First off, he had a major romantic relationship between ages 16 and 17. He also had a relationship when he was 20, before he joined the Marines at 21. Neither lasted for longer than 6 months to a year, and that's pretty much the extent of his romantic experience. He's always been an energetic, independent child (say his relatives) and he had wanted to join the service for a long time; September 11 was what drove him to join the Marines. Also, his father was in the service and he really wanted to prove himself. (Joining despite his Venus in the 4th). He really loves his family even though his mother is a controlling crazy person. :unsure: Also, Pluto conjunct the MC makes sense. He just graduated and started his first "real" job, and his father has just been diagnosed with early-onset dementia. He's been going through some major life changes. The only thing I can say about Saturn possibly being in the 7th versus the 6th is that he has become more and more committed to me and serious about marriage and kids as he comes closer to his Saturn return later this year. Anyway, I think there is more evidence for an Aries ascendant based on what relatives have said about him, versus a Pisces ascendant. Hmm I suppose it's hard to tell; I did ask about his childhood and he says he actually didn't have a difficult childhood, although his parents had some problems. He has an older sister but other than that there's no way of really marking his years from 12 to 20 because his family didn't move and nothing really major happened. The only other thing I know about his childhood is that in 3rd grade he was diagnosed with ADHD and started medication.

[astrologer50]

The only other thing I know about his childhood is that in 3rd grade he was diagnosed with ADHD and started medication.


How old was he then?? Age 13 SA Neptune conj MC suggests one parent or lies, confusion, illusion, perhaps someone dying, mysterious illness maybe. Something dissolving. If it was earlier or later this may help as 1' = 4minutes in real time.

I don't think T Pluto conj MC for dimensia is synficant unless he has other major health issues. It can take upto 2years for T Pluto but when looking for 'timings' of matters, look for the retrograde hit and then T Mars for the 'ignition key'

How long have you been together? Have you noticed this pluto transits? Cos after it's finished (If it's Pluto) his whole life should have changed.

[normak]

How old was he then?? Age 13 SA Neptune conj MC suggests one parent or lies, confusion, illusion, perhaps someone dying, mysterious illness maybe. Something dissolving. If it was earlier or later this may help as 1' = 4minutes in real time.

I don't think T Pluto conj MC for dimensia is synficant unless he has other major health issues. It can take upto 2years for T Pluto but when looking for 'timings' of matters, look for the retrograde hit and then T Mars for the 'ignition key'

How long have you been together? Have you noticed this pluto transits? Cos after it's finished (If it's Pluto) his whole life should have changed.

His whole life has definitely changed since we got together. I would say it all started last March, when he got together with me. He also just graduated college in May and has the first "real" job he has ever had. He also found out about his father's dementia diagnosis at about the same time. He'd never thought about settling down and having kids before but now he talks about it a lot. I have known him about 7 years and have been with him for a year and a half. This is definitely a serious but positive relationship. Should I be afraid of him suddenly leaving me or something? I mean, I have no reason to suspect that but I do tend to lean on the insecure side. I'm going through a number of Pluto transits myself but I have had only positive changes in my life since the transits began.

Also, you say that mutable moon signs (he's a Gemini moon) are capable of loving more than one person at a time. I see no evidence of this (maybe because he has a lot of earth in his chart?), especially since my mother has the exact same astrological signature as him and she at least appears to be the most faithful person I have ever met. Anyway, I suppose I'm a little frightened because you make these Pluto transits sound so ominous! :crying:

As far as events happening around when he was 13, I know that his father had been an alcoholic but had treatment for it and hasn't had any problems since. Maybe that's the "mysterious illness?" It probably would've been around when he was 13 that these problems came to a head. Also, his parents had been at odds a lot. He still maintains that his childhood wasn't difficult, though.

Actually, now that I think about it, he may have been under the influence of the transit as early as August '07, which might set back the MC further(?). He lost a few friends (who had not been the best influence) and had been drinking in excess, and decided to stop drinking and started changing his life. I wonder how close Pluto has to be to the MC for the native to "feel" the influence.

[astrologer50]

you said,
As far as events happening around when he was 13, I know that his father had been an alcoholic but had treatment for it and hasn't had any problems since. Maybe that's the "mysterious illness?" It probably would've been around when he was 13 that these problems came to a head. Also, his parents had been at odds a lot. He still maintains that his childhood wasn't difficult, though.

Actually, now that I think about it, he may have been under the influence of the transit as early as August '07, which might set back the MC further(?). He lost a few friends (who had not been the best influence) and had been drinking in excess, and decided to stop drinking and started changing his life. I wonder how close Pluto has to be to the MC for the native to "feel" the influence.

Aug 2007 T Pluto was 26' Saggi, maybe it would help to post the natal chart with the transits outside for this date, to see if another planet was causing this transformation?
:biggrin:

[normak]

you said,


Aug 2007 T Pluto was 26' Saggi, maybe it would help to post the natal chart with the transits outside for this date, to see if another planet was causing this transformation?
:biggrin:

Hmm...now that I look at it, he could have a LATELATELATE Pisces ascendant, like 29 degrees almost Aries, because his ascendant would be in the Scorpio decanate and he has Mars in Scorpio and is very determined/stubborn, which would explain his personality a little better. Or, he could be an EARLYEARLYEARLY Aries, which would also explain things well. Hmm...let's see, it looks like he would definitely have Pluto almost on the MC in either case, and Uranus coming up on his AC very soon which would explain how his life has pretty much completely transformed since August '07. The other notable thing is that when he started dating me, aside from Uranus moving closer to his AC he also had a Uranus trine Venus aspect which explains the sudden "love of his life" relationship he says we have :P and started with the transits from Saturn which probably help emphasize his commitment(?). :P I have attached the chart and transits with the early Aries and late Pisces AC. The only thing is, late Pisces gives him intercepted 1st and 7th houses and a Virgo DC, which I don't think fits him at all. Tricky tricky! This is FUN!! :D I also attached one for late Pisces/ March 08 which shows Uranus approaching the AC but not quite there yet. Guess I should do one for May 08 since that's when we "officially" got together; started dating/seeing each other in March though. Oh wait, more info: when I do a chart for May 08 when we officially considered a romantic relationship/made it official, Pluto is dead on his MC for an early Aries AC. Attaching this one as well. :P

[astrologer50]

2nd aug 2007 shows MC 29'21" and T pluto 26'38"

The transformation of T Uranus conj Asc doesn't show itself until nearly exact degree. I have had this go over my Asc and trust me its very disruptive, I had everything electrical break down, computers, washing machines, lots things happening suddenly, and SECRETS coming out of woodwork and cos its 'secret enemies' you never see it coming...

What I do feel will be noticeable is when T uranus conj Asc it will also oppose natal Saturn in 6th. this is classic 'freedom v convention' aspect and well worth researching in advance of it happening. Will it be work ie: 6th house or 7th relationships or both....

What I feel worth watching out for is T Mars and T Mercury espec over Asc, so try make diary note

Also there is a big difference in Cappi MC and Sagg MC research these. I have Saggi MC am trained legal secretary and teacher in astrology. Saggi does like to travel, the further the better, which is what they do in marines don't they:innocent:

Even if he was late pisces, remember by progression it will have changed to Aries in early childhood anyway...

[astrologer50]

If you have the patience, try here
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1068

Be warned there are 275 responses, but it MAY help with Asc characteristics

[normak]

2nd aug 2007 shows MC 29'21" and T pluto 26'38"

The transformation of T Uranus conj Asc doesn't show itself until nearly exact degree. I have had this go over my Asc and trust me its very disruptive, I had everything electrical break down, computers, washing machines, lots things happening suddenly, and SECRETS coming out of woodwork and cos its 'secret enemies' you never see it coming...

What I do feel will be noticeable is when T uranus conj Asc it will also oppose natal Saturn in 6th. this is classic 'freedom v convention' aspect and well worth researching in advance of it happening. Will it be work ie: 6th house or 7th relationships or both....

What I feel worth watching out for is T Mars and T Mercury espec over Asc, so try make diary note

Also there is a big difference in Cappi MC and Sagg MC research these. I have Saggi MC am trained legal secretary and teacher in astrology. Saggi does like to travel, the further the better, which is what they do in marines don't they:innocent:

Even if he was late pisces, remember by progression it will have changed to Aries in early childhood anyway...


On second (or third) thought, transiting Uranus would cross the AC right about August 07, when he lost those friends and had problems with drinking, etc. That was extremely disruptive to him and he had trouble getting over it/not blaming himself for everything. That's with the 7:32 time, but I really don't think a Pisces second decanate fits as well... 7:48 PM is probably the closest match. 20 deg Pisces decanate, Uranus close enough to cause disruption for the next few months, Pluto close to the MC. Definitely a case of "secret enemies" and friends setting him up and turning on him. It was pretty awful.

Don't like the intercepted 1st and 7th houses he has with Pisces AC, though.:crying: I read that an intercepted 7th house almost always means more than one marriage. :crying:

Also, appearance wise, he pretty much has black, not-really-expressive eyes; definitely not characteristic of Pisces AC.

Also, about the MC thing; he always said he didn't like the "travel" aspect of joining the Marines; he really was upset over September 11 and wanted to do his part for his country and make something of himself. A lot of his attitude towards work involves a strong sense of duty and responsibility, and he really loves helping people. He will stay late at work, etc. just to help out more. Maybe in this case, the Cap MC and 6th house Saturn return fits better. I am so confused!!

[astrologer50]

I don't do intercepted signs like placidus cos I use and teach Equal house.

A lot of his attitude towards work involves a strong sense of duty and responsibility, and he really loves helping people Typical caring, pisces traits. Pisces is 'the' most sacrificial sign there is. So, just watch, check for Tmars and T mercury and see what happens.

Hope this has helped...

[normak]

I don't do intercepted signs like placidus cos I use and teach Equal house.

Typical caring, pisces traits. Pisces is 'the' most sacrificial sign there is. So, just watch, check for Tmars and T mercury and see what happens.

Hope this has helped...

Equal house makes more sense to me, too. :biggrin: Yeah, I definitely think the Pisces AC in last decan (7:48 birth time) makes the most sense, that would leave Mars transiting in April/May, which also makes sense. Thanks so much for your help! I wouldn't have been able to figure anything out without your assistance. :wink:

[Frank]

I guess the best answer is: Whatever rising you want him to be.

You seem not to listen to others. So I guess you know better.

I wish you all the best.

Frank

[normak]

I guess the best answer is: Whatever rising you want him to be.

You seem not to listen to others. So I guess you know better.

I wish you all the best.

Frank

I don't see how I haven't been listening to others; I was originally sold on the Aries AC and then Astrologer50 helped me figure out some more details and now the Pisces AC makes more sense. You seem to be looking for trouble, and I am sorry if I have offended you in any way, but I really don't feel I deserve the level of hostility you've shown me.

[Frank]

No hostility intended at all.

But perhaps a birth certificate with a time would settle the question once and for all?