Does My Appearance Resemble Pisces or Aries Ascendant?

[Arian Maverick]

Hello, everyone! :smile:

I've been seeking to rectify my natal chart through various means since I discovered my recorded time of birth bestowed me with an Ascendant on the cusp of two signs of fast ascension in the Northern Hemisphere in which I was born. I understand that examination of one's appearance is only a supplement to true chart rectification, but I'm fairly young, so I have not experienced enough major life events to utilize for this purpose. Thus, I've explored other methods, including the associations between physical appearance and one's Ascendant sign.

This exercise may be difficult because I am not a "pure" expression of an Ascendant sign; four planets occupy my first house, and the Moon is conjunct my Ascendant. The influence of the Moon upon my appearance has made it particularly difficult to ascertain my Ascedant sign because many physical features I associate with a Pisces Ascendant may be attributed to the Moon conjunct the Ascendant. Also, as I expressed earlier, I have four personal planets in the sign of Aries in my first house, so I naturally possess certain Arian features such as a sharp gaze.

So, without further ado, here I am. Considering the astrological influences I have described above, do you think I have a late Pisces Ascendant or an early Aries Ascendant?

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u6/firebirdsuite/Me2.jpg

EDIT: Since this picture doesn't show my eyes very well, I thought I'd include a link to a picture taken about two years ago at my high school graduation: here (http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u6/firebirdsuite/Me-1.jpg).

Arian Maverick

[deanna]

What wonderful pictures!

Here is a web site with faces/sun/moon/asc features.

http://www.astrofaces.com/astrofaces/index.html

I would say Pisces Ascendant because of the smile!

I would deeply analyze how you are when you first meet someone-journal it right after a new encounter.

Are you 'feeling' how a person is for first impressions? (Pisces)
or
Are you assertive and up front when you encounter a new person? (Aries)

So sorry Arian that you are still trying to figure this one out-It can be frustrating.

Either way your 'ascendant' looks turned out wonderful!

Let us know what you find out!

-De

[natasa812]

Dear Arian, I think definitely Aries. Pisces AC adds something mysterious, certain deepness, cloudy look and shadowy factor generaly.

I am 01 degree Pisces so take a look (at your PM box)

And of course, the Sagittarian part of me (Jupiter smile, fire generaly...) (also at your PM box)



Sometimes, it is like a double personality :)
But, fire and water gives you choises (at least for a woman it is important) - we want to be fashionable and fancy... :)

[natasa812]

Also, your skin is white with red spots - like mine. Definitely Mars influence. I had freckles on my nose but I erased them with whitening pomade (early - I was about your age).
And your hair has this red ``layer`` over - like mine (I mean my natural dark red which I colour of course depending on a mood). Again, Mars influence (mine is in 1st that is why).
I think definitely Aries.
And I agree with Deanna - do you have that ``feeling`` or do you ``receive`` peoples mood? I do and it can be quite ardous sometimes but also, instinct is a life saver... I mean: are you more assertive or receptive?

P.S.
I imagined you somehow different - more red (like your avatar), more ``sporty``, less femmine - picture is a pleasant surprise...

[katydid]

This IS difficult because I can clearly see both Aries and also, 'water' of some type. It may be the Moon, but it does seem Piscean. The close up picture seems very Aries rising to me, with your piercing Aries eyes. But the other picture looks like Pisces or Lunar energy with the sweet smile and feminine curves.
Given Pisces rising, Neptune would be your chart ruler. It is in Capricorn, correct?And conjunct Saturn. That would make sense given your drive and ambition.
What about your mars? Does it make sense as your chart ruler?

[natasa812]

I deleted my pictures and you`ll find them in your PM box...

My Virgo Moon is not ready to go in public yet... (or maybe the shy AC... :) )

[FreeWing]

In my humble opinion it's definitely late Pisces AC! You look so sweet in those pics! :smile:

[starlink]

Given Pisces rising, Neptune would be your chart ruler. It is in Capricorn, correct?And conjunct Saturn. That would make sense given your drive and ambition.


I go along with this. Also look where the traditional ruler of Pisces is placed, Jupiter and Mars (for Aries) of course. You should be able to identify with one of the three.

Another method would be to find the charts dispositor. Take Neptune. That one is in Capricorn, where is Saturn etc. until you cannot go anymore. The end planet is the driving planet in your chart. Do the same for Mars.

You do look like a Pisces, but you act like an Aries.:) a real mix!

[Nexus7]

Pisces rising.

[Vista]

I am early Aries rising and I just stopped dating someone who is Pisces Rising. My fist instinct was to say Pisces, but on second thought I am thinking Aries because you look very much like another friend of mine who is Aries rising. Exact same coloring and features, same type of figure. I think in your case the Moon is very important in that it really softens the hard angles of Aries, as well as the muscular body type they are known for. It's really the Moon that is confusing things I think. Can you tell us any important events that have happened over the past 6 months to a year that might help rectify your ASC? Also, any important events during your lifetime might be able to support one or the other. I would look for love and career events especially.
Vista

[aquarius7000]

Given Pisces rising, Neptune would be your chart ruler. It is in Capricorn, correct?And conjunct Saturn. That would make sense given your drive and ambition.
Really, I mean all those generational placements would give personal sense of drive and ambition:confused:. Oh, well, I've got some learning to do then, I guess. I would have expected those traits more from a 1st-house Mars or a 10th-house Saturn; not to mention their aspects to other personal planets.

I think some might be missing the Moon-on-the-Asc (Moon conj the strongest angle makes it a forerunner as far as strength goes) bit for all that water, feminine curves and sweetness that seems to be coming across. This placement can be just as Piscean sorts as a Piscean Rising itself. I also agree with Natasa that a Piscean Rising by itself would give quite a bit of a lost, dreamy, even enigmatic or puzzled look. Now consider the combi of a Piscean Rising + Moon on the Asc here; wow that should be someone really dreamy, lost, and usually living in another world to say the least. To me and from my experience, this combi doesn't fit in this case, but I've done more than enough blah, blah in the past on this subject so better be off now.

:)AQ7

[Arian Maverick]

Here is a web site with faces/sun/moon/asc features.

http://www.astrofaces.com/astrofaces/index.html

Thank you for the link, deanna. I submitted a picture to Astrofaces two years ago; I'm listed under Aries/Aries/Aries, but I contacted the webmaster to explain my "Ascendant dilemma." I'm not going to reveal his thoughts yet because I don't want to sway the poll.

I would deeply analyze how you are when you first meet someone-journal it right after a new encounter.

Are you 'feeling' how a person is for first impressions? (Pisces)
or
Are you assertive and up front when you encounter a new person? (Aries)

This is an interesting idea. I suspect the setting and circumstances would greatly influence how I present myself to another person, as well as my confidence level. I tend to be self-concious regarding the first impression I make upon others, so I try to soften or "tone down" the amount of Arian vigor I project so as not to overwhelm them. This is especially true in a formal setting, just as a job interview.

Also, your skin is white with red spots - like mine. Definitely Mars influence. I had freckles on my nose but I erased them with whitening pomade (early - I was about your age).
And your hair has this red ``layer`` over - like mine (I mean my natural dark red which I colour of course depending on a mood). Again, Mars influence (mine is in 1st that is why).
I think definitely Aries.

Yes, I agree there is a certain red overtone to my appearance--but as I mentioned in my first post, there was bound to be with my first house Aries stellium, which is composed entirely of inner planets (Sun, Moon, Mercury, and Venus). I was also born with strawberry blond hair, although it turned platinum blond by my first year.

And I agree with Deanna - do you have that ``feeling`` or do you ``receive`` peoples mood? I do and it can be quite ardous sometimes but also, instinct is a life saver... I mean: are you more assertive or receptive?

Again, this very much depends upon the circumstance. I am very passionate about certain activities and projects in which I engage, and what I seek to instill change, I can be quite assertive in my expression of thoughts and ideas. Yet I rarely go about this is the blustering manner that is associated with Aries; I try my best to accomodate others' thoughts and feelings. So again, there's a mixture of assertiveness and receptivity in my personality.

I completed a version of the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator test the other day, and I asked my mother to select the trait in each of the four pairs that she felt best described me. I did not show her my results before I asked her to do this because I was seeking validation of my own answers. We received almost identical answers; only one letter differed, and she struggled on the same question I struggled the most with. Therefore, I trust the answer. I include it here because it might be helpful. Brace yourselves, the results may surprise you:

Introversion (I) (http://www.myersbriggs.org/my-mbti-personality-type/mbti-basics/extraversion-or-introversion.asp)

Intuition (N) (http://www.myersbriggs.org/my-mbti-personality-type/mbti-basics/sensing-or-intuition.asp) - This is the one my mother and I both struggled with; I initially chose Sensing (S).

Feeling (F) (http://www.myersbriggs.org/my-mbti-personality-type/mbti-basics/thinking-or-feeling.asp)

Perceiving (P) (http://www.myersbriggs.org/my-mbti-personality-type/mbti-basics/judging-or-perceiving.asp)

This makes me an INFP type, which is described in The 16 MBTI® Types (http://www.myersbriggs.org/my-mbti-personality-type/mbti-basics/the-16-mbti-types.asp).

INFP
Idealistic, loyal to their values and to people who are important to them. Want an external life that is congruent with their values. Curious, quick to see possibilities, can be catalysts for implementing ideas. Seek to understand people and to help them fulfill their potential. Adaptable, flexible, and accepting unless a value is threatened.

I include this information because it's helps me obtain some distance from your questions because I can sort of sense that different people want me to answer questions in a certain way. This trait may not be so apparent on the forums, where we have sufficient distance from each other, but I am easily swayed by others in my personal vicinity. Indeed, just last year, I was made the tie-breaking vote for the election of an officer candidate I personally did not trust because two other officers were so convinced she was the best candidate and I personally did not know her well. I had an almost prophetic sense that she would leave the team and I would assume her responsibilities, and this indeed occurred. I include this example because it presents a side of me I do not often express on the forums.

Given Pisces rising, Neptune would be your chart ruler. It is in Capricorn, correct?And conjunct Saturn. That would make sense given your drive and ambition.

I relate unusually well to this generational influence, but I've always thought this was due to the series aspects it makes to my personal planets, particularly my Sun-Venus-Mercury conjunction. Neptune is another culprit that makes guessing my Ascendant difficult.

What about your mars? Does it make sense as your chart ruler?

I've always related well to my third house Mars in Gemini, but it is the ruler of a strong first house Aries stellium, so I would almost consider it to be my chart ruler regardless of my Ascendant sign. There is no final dispositor in my natal chart, but I believe it is worth noting that all of my planets that are not dignified by sign eventually "go back to" Mars in Gemini in mutual reception with Mercury in Aries by way of the dispositor chain.

A further complication is that the traditional ruler of a Pisces Ascendant is Jupiter, and Jupiter is also located in Gemini in my natal chart. It may be worth mentioning that I have difficulty connecting to Jupiter in my natal chart because it's in its detriment and receives the fewest aspects.

My Virgo Moon is not ready to go in public yet... (or maybe the shy AC... )

I understand, Natasa. It's taken me more than three years to post my picture publically on the forums, although I have sent my picture to several forum members who have assisted me with this matter. Aquarius7000 is probably the member who has assisted me the most; hence her comment "I've done more than enough blah, blah in the past on this subject." Thank you for putting up with my antics, Aquarius7000! :kissing:

I go along with this. Also look where the traditional ruler of Pisces is placed, Jupiter and Mars (for Aries) of course. You should be able to identify with one of the three.

Another method would be to find the charts dispositor. Take Neptune. That one is in Capricorn, where is Saturn etc. until you cannot go anymore. The end planet is the driving planet in your chart. Do the same for Mars.

I addressed both of these matters in my post before I read your comments, but I didn't want you to feel ignored.

I am early Aries rising and I just stopped dating someone who is Pisces Rising. My fist instinct was to say Pisces, but on second thought I am thinking Aries because you look very much like another friend of mine who is Aries rising. Exact same coloring and features, same type of figure. I think in your case the Moon is very important in that it really softens the hard angles of Aries, as well as the muscular body type they are known for. It's really the Moon that is confusing things I think.

Yes, I agree that the Moon is confusing things. Perhaps could you obtain permission from your friend to send me her picture through personal message? I am very interested to see what she looks like.

Can you tell us any important events that have happened over the past 6 months to a year that might help rectify your ASC? Also, any important events during your lifetime might be able to support one or the other. I would look for love and career events especially.

Yes, I've experienced quite a few important events within the past year, but I would prefer to continue this type of conversation through private message, as I'm already feeling a bit exposed. :o

I would say Asc in Aries.....but the chart has to have some other water influence

The only water influences in my natal chart are Aries Moon conjunct my Ascendant (I consider the Moon to bestow a water influence, even though it's in a fire sign), fourth house Chiron conjunct IC, and eighth house Pluto in Scorpio. Many people discount the Moon and Chiron, so Pluto may be a water singleton.

Really, I mean all those generational placements would give personal sense of drive and ambition. Oh, well, I've got some learning to do then, I guess. I would have expected those traits more from a 1st-house Mars or a 10th-house Saturn; not to mention their aspects to other personal planets.

I don't have a first house Mars, but I have a highly dignified tenth house Saturn in Capricorn which squares my first house Sun-Venus-Mercury conjunction in Aries. I've read that the square aspect bestows ambition, so I imagine square aspects involving a highly dignified Saturn would only magnify this effect.

I think some might be missing the Moon-on-the-Asc (Moon conj the strongest angle makes it a forerunner as far as strength goes) bit for all that water, feminine curves and sweetness that seems to be coming across. This placement can be just as Piscean sorts as a Piscean Rising itself.

I agree, Aquarius7000. Should I bold this part of my first post, or try to include it in the poll question?

I also agree with Natasa that a Piscean Rising by itself would give quite a bit of a lost, dreamy, even enigmatic or puzzled look. Now consider the combi of a Piscean Rising + Moon on the Asc here; wow that should be someone really dreamy, lost, and usually living in another world to say the least. To me and from my experience, this combi doesn't fit in this case, but I've done more than enough blah, blah in the past on this subject so better be off now.

I am not certain if you are referring to your experience with me on the forums or your experience with others who have a similar combination of astrological traits, but please keep in mind how one presents oneself on the forums may differ from how one presents oneself face-to-face. I have third house Mars in Gemini, and this is the astrological placement I tend to project on the forums. Yet it is easier for me to express confidence and self-assertion when I am not in the same room with a person, when I am communicating through an indirect medium such as a keyboard and a computer screen. We cannot witness others' immediate reactions to online sparring except through what the messages we type. I will be the first to admit that I am guilty of composing messages in the "heat of the moment," so to speak, but you have not witnessed how I've agonized over my actions during private moments. Yes, I am everything you think I am--good, bad, and indifferent--but I'm also extremely sensitive. I apologize to anyone whom I've offended in the past.

I would say Aries Asc...

No matter what the smile says or how feminine your curves are, you have the erectness of the head, and the piercing eyes. I bet you have never let any kind of equivocal to any interlocutor you ever had. Normally I trust the eyes: the eyes are "the window to the soul".

Perhaps I'm experiencing a "dumb blonde" moment here, or perhaps my rational mind has been swept away in a tide of lunar emotion. Nevertheless, can you please explain your comment, "I bet you have never let any kind of equivocal to any interlocutor you ever had"?

But apart from all reliable methods of confirming one's Asc, how do you really feel? In the most awkward moments? What is the first to cross your mind when you are caught in an uncomfortable situation? The first to cross the mind of an Aries Asc is already acted out before any kind of rationalization, and Aries Asc does not even care about analyzing or justifying it... Maybe he/she will, but only afterwards, and for reasons imposed and in the most assertive way. The speed of reaction is unique. Note down the way two people from your friends or family circle, the ascendants of whom you already know, react: an Aries ascending and a Pisces ascending: there is no way of confusing them... They are incomparable.

These are crucial questions, which I will ponder--or perhaps this is an unwise decision, for the mind tends to obscure what should be clear distinction. Nevertheless, this post is much too long, so I will answer your questions in a later post.

Arian Maverick

[Munchkin]

I don't see Pisces in your up close picture or the full body picture. If you have Venus or Moon in the first or on the Ascendant that is what gives you the curves and more feminine features. The Moon and Venus are very powerful and pronounce when it comes to body shape when they are in these configurations. That is where you are getting the Pisces-like influence. Now, when I look at your head shot you look very Aries Rising, somewhat stern/leader type even when your smiling, and your face doesn't look very Neptunian. I can see from your face you have strong willpower and you look quite determined. That is just my own perception. I am not going by coloring because it means nothing (Aries Rising can come in many colorings), I am mostly going by your face shape, your jaw-line, and other factors, you have a nicely shaped forehead too, which pulls me in the Aries direction.

[Nexus7]

The feminine curves could be Moon or Venus, I thought the shape of the mouth looked a little more Pisces. Sun and Moon in Aries would be hard to miss anyway.

[Reyka]

I really do not know, Maverick... You look very Arian to me! :confused:
How tall are you???
In contrast- are your feet peculiar in any way??

As I said in another thread, I had the very same dilemma of yours, and ended up embracing my Aries rising.

@ Freewing and those who think only Pisces are supposed to be "very sweet"- Aries can be very sweet too! Very naive.
While Pisces women can be very determined and resolute, they're strong in my book!

[Arian Maverick]

I don't see Pisces in your up close picture or the full body picture. If you have Venus or Moon in the first or on the Ascendant that is what gives you the curves and more feminine features. The Moon and Venus are very powerful and pronounce when it comes to body shape when they are in these configurations. That is where you are getting the Pisces-like influence.

I have both Venus and the Moon in my first house, as well as the Sun and Mercury. Although Venus is in its detriment in Aries, it is "within the heart of the Sun," so it has a strong influence upon my character. The Moon is conjunct my Ascendant within an orb of about four degrees, although this orb obviously will change if I move my Ascendant into the late degrees of Pisces.

Now, when I look at your head shot you look very Aries Rising, somewhat stern/leader type even when your smiling, and your face doesn't look very Neptunian. I can see from your face you have strong willpower and you look quite determined. That is just my own perception. I am not going by coloring because it means nothing (Aries Rising can come in many colorings), I am mostly going by your face shape, your jaw-line, and other factors, you have a nicely shaped forehead too, which pulls me in the Aries direction.

Your perceptions are accurate, although I can project warmth and friendliness as well as sterness. My mother often says I was "born forty" like my father because I've assumed responsibility for my brother and for my school work from a young age. I am quite determined because I've had to be to overcome the obstacles life has thrown at my family. I suppose this observation echoes aquarius7000's earlier observation. Yes, I often feel overwhelmed by the world and desire to escape its demands, but in the immortal words of the fictional character Severus Snape, I am not a coward. I know I have a purpose to fulfill and responsibilities to uphold, and I take these responsibilities quite seriously.

How tall are you???

I am five feet two inches, but I have a very short mother. She married a tall man, my father, but I don't seem to have inherited his height.

In contrast- are your feet peculiar in any way??

I do not consider my feet to be peculiar, but I've always admired them--they are relatively small and well-shaped with a gentle arch. I tend to wear soft, delicate shoes because my feet are extremely sensitive. New shoes often produce irritation and mild scrapes, particularly on the backs of my heels. I've been told I have a narrow heel, which means it's difficult for me to find shoes that fit; I often "walk out" of shoes that are the proper size if there is no elastic on the back!

Alternatively, I wear Keds sneakers because they're not too bulky and they provide better arch support than my preferred ballerina slippers or sandals. This was upon the advice of the college nurse when she examined my foot a year ago after I impaled it upon a sharp rock. It's a long story...

EDIT: I've just checked the poll results out of curiousity, and it's currently tied 5 to 5. I do not intend to vote.

Arian Maverick

[katydid]

Really, I mean all those generational placements would give personal sense of drive and ambition:confused:. Oh, well, I've got some learning to do then, I guess. I would have expected those traits more from a 1st-house Mars or a 10th-house Saturn; not to mention their aspects to other personal planets.

:)AQ7

I think IF the Neptune was the ruler of the ascendant then the generational planets would take on more of a personal essence. But her Capricorn conjunction is also squaring her Aries stellium of personal planets, so that was what i was thinking, although I did not mention it.

[Arian Maverick]

I thought I'd post some pictures from the astrofaces website for comparison. I'm quite happy that another Aries/Aries/Aries picture was submitted since I last visited the site! I think the Aries man's facial structure resembles mine better than the facial structure of the woman--although I appear to have a similar nose.

I wish I had their natal charts. This exercise is difficult enough when one has all of the details at one's disposal!

http://www.astrofaces.com/astrofaces/photos/01/010101-1.jpg http://www.astrofaces.com/astrofaces/photos/01/010101-3.jpg

For comparison, here is a picture of a girl who has an Aries Sun, an Aries Moon, and a Pisces Ascendant.

http://www.astrofaces.com/astrofaces/photos/01/010112-1.jpg

I was initially surprised by the similarities I perceived between this girl's appearance and my own, but upon closer examination, her eyes are less piercing than my own and she has a somewhat softer look.

One thing I've noticed about the two Aries/Aries/Aries individuals, however, is that they both seem to have eyebrows that are more curved than mine, eyebrows that almost resemble the Aries glyph. I would like to add that my eyebrows naturally do not have much shape; I get them waxed about every six months or so and attempt to maintain the shape on my own. Is this a characteristic of either Pisces or Aries, or perhaps the influence of another planet?

Here are a few pictures from another site, Physical Appearances (http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Delphi/1601/physical.html).

This woman has an Aries Ascendant in the first decanate--the decanate of Aries:

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Delphi/1601/aries.gif

The Aries decanate of Aries has a short to medium tall and slim body. The long slim nose curves smoothly into (often) heavy curved eyebrows. The overall effect is startlingly like the glyph of Aries stamped onto the face. The neck is longer than average, with well muscled shoulders and thick hair. The head is often carried forward of the body, and the face may have small scars, moles, or blemishes due to illness or injury. The shape of the nose and eyebrows is the characteristic carried over into the other Aries decanates of the other fire signs.

This man has a Pisces Ascendant in the third decanate--the decanate of Scorpio:

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Delphi/1601/pisces3.gif

The Scorpio decanate of Pisces is short to medium in height and weight, and usually slim in youth, but tends toward plumpness in middle age. The rounded nose and face of the Pisces decanate are retained. The eyebrows are often short and heavy.

My eyebrows are slightly less thick than this man's, and they do not bridge my nose. However, the relative shape and thickness is there.

I must note that these descriptions "apply only to those people with an unaspected ascendant," which I do not have.

This woman has the Moon conjunct her Ascendant:

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Delphi/1601/moon.gif

The Moon brings with it a rounded face, with deep sunk eyes and high, emphasized cheekbones. The cheeks but NOT the body are usually plump, but the extent of this factor depends on the particular decanate in which it appears. The hands and fingers are generally short, and this person is not inclined to physical action.

I believe I have the "rounded face" and the "plump" cheeks, especially when I smile. However, my fingers are not particularly short, although my palm is small.

Arian Maverick

[Vista]

Hi Arian,
I will ask my friend if I can send the pictures of her, I am sure she won't mind. Meanwhile I was going to send them to you privately, but I don't see how to add an attachment. Maybe you could fill me in on how to do so? Also, here is a picture of me since I am also early Aries 4:25 ASC. Nataly, I have both Venus and Mercury Trining and Sextiling my ASC. BTW, I am 5'7," Thin and pretty athletic with very long fingures and my hair has a lot of natural red/gold undertones. http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/images/icons/icon10.gif

I am not sure why my picture did not post. It's saved as a jpeg...odd...

[Arian Maverick]

Hi Arian,
I will ask my friend if I can send the pictures of her, I am sure she won't mind.

Thank you, Vista!

Meanwhile I was going to send them to you privately, but I don't see how to add an attachment. Maybe you could fill me in on how to do so?

Check your inbox; I sent you a private message regarding this process. For anyone else who may experience such difficulties, I recommend using the method described in this thread: Step by Step guide on -- How to insert an image here? -- (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1171). It works in both private messages and public posts on the forums. Alternatively, one can create an account on Photobucket (http://photobucket.com/), upload the picture from the computer, and copy and paste the code to the forums. :wink:

Also, here is a picture of me since I am also early Aries 4:25 ASC. Nataly, I have both Venus and Mercury Trining and Sextiling my ASC. BTW, I am 5'7," Thin and pretty athletic with very long fingures and my hair has a lot of natural red/gold undertones.

Oh, you look almost precisely how I imagine an Aries Ascendant woman to look! Have you compared your appearance with that of the woman who has an Aries Ascendant in the Aries decanate? You're much prettier, but there are certain similarities between you--the long, thin nose (yours is less pronounced than hers), the overall facial strucuture, and even the shape of the chin! I imagine you also have a somewhat pronounced forehead underneath your bangs, and your eyebrows seem curved like hers, although not quite as extreme.

I've always associated my somewhat pronounced rounded cheeks to the Moon conjunct my Ascendant, but I notice the similarity between us when we smile. Is this a common trait of everyone when they smile?

I don't have your height or your athletic look, but I can see some similarities between our facial features--and, most importantly, your eyes are bright like mine.

I think I can finally accept the possibility that I have an Aries Ascendant--albeit one altered by the Moon. This is a major breakthrough for me because I've been in denial of this possibility since I discovered my correct birth time. I haven't completely foresaken Pisces, though, so please keep the comments coming!

Arian Maverick

[Vista]

I definitely see the similarities between myself and the other women. And thank you again for the compliment. I am inclined to think the cheek rounding is a pretty common trait for everyone. Interestingly, I have rarely if ever met anyone with Aries ASC until my two friends that i mentioned to you in the private message I sent and now maybe you. My other girlfriend who I described in PM message has very bright, luminous blues eyes, unlike my ex boyfriend who is Pisces ASC who I have always found his blue eyes to be rather dull looking. Again, both he and my luminous eye friend have that Moon sitting right ontop of their ASC to confuse things, although it is a rather nice aspect as it does make one appear slightly soft and inviting and easy to approach.
Vista

Thank you, Vista!



Check your inbox; I sent you a private message regarding this process. For anyone else who may experience such difficulties, I recommend using the method described in this thread: Step by Step guide on -- How to insert an image here? -- (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1171). It works in both private messages and public posts on the forums. Alternatively, one can create an account on Photobucket (http://photobucket.com/), upload the picture from the computer, and copy and paste the code to the forums. :wink:



Oh, you look almost precisely how I imagine an Aries Ascendant woman to look! Have you compared your appearance with that of the woman who has an Aries Ascendant in the Aries decanate? You're much prettier, but there are certain similarities between you--the long, thin nose (yours is less pronounced than hers), the overall facial strucuture, and even the shape of the chin! I imagine you also have a somewhat pronounced forehead underneath your bangs, and your eyebrows seem curved like hers, although not quite as extreme.

I've always associated my somewhat pronounced rounded cheeks to the Moon conjunct my Ascendant, but I notice the similarity between us when we smile. Is this a common trait of everyone when they smile?

I don't have your height or your athletic look, but I can see some similarities between our facial features--and, most importantly, your eyes are bright like mine.

I think I can finally accept the possibility that I have an Aries Ascendant--albeit one altered by the Moon. This is a major breakthrough for me because I've been in denial of this possibility since I discovered my correct birth time. I haven't completely foresaken Pisces, though, so please keep the comments coming!

Arian Maverick


[Mod edit - new, short response moved above the long quote to make the post more reader-friendly.]

[katydid]

It is unreal that even the poll is 50/50. I guess this is adding to the confusion as well.

There is a real possibility that your ascendant is one of those 29 59 or 0 01 type ones.

[noideaaboutastro]

Definately Aries!

[starlink]

Aries can be very sweet too! Very naive.
While Pisces women can be very determined and resolute, they're strong in my book!
__________________



How true this is!! I know a few ladies like that.

If you really dont know anymore, why not ask a horary question. "Is my Ascendant Pisces". A yes or no would do it then. Only question is the house determination. Do we take the Asc. of the question as being "the asc." and the Moon as being "you" and see if there is a connection between them?
We could also look for aspects between you and/or the Moon as Asc. ruler and Jupiter (for Pisces) and Mars (for Aries). Maybe this could bring you closer.

OH, a very prominent feature of Aries rising is the nose. They are mostly large and often sharp! Strong jaws as well.

[natasa812]

I also agree with Natasa that a Piscean Rising by itself would give quite a bit of a lost, dreamy, even enigmatic or puzzled look. Now consider the combi of a Piscean Rising + Moon on the Asc here; wow that should be someone really dreamy, lost, and usually living in another world to say the least.

:)AQ7


As you know, I didn`t want to go in public with my pictures but I just can not resist.
Pisces AC IS somehow enigmatic and dreamy. It is just obvious. And the mouth must be somehow curved.
The reason I am posting is that I am fire / water myself and with Pisces AC so, take a look...

http://imgcash5.imageshack.us/img36/1136/image001ubn.jpg

And of course, Sagittarian stelium and Jupitarian expansion.

http://imgcash3.imageshack.us/img190/4549/new1foto.jpg



IT IS TRUE. AC IS THE APPEARANCE - WHAT PEOPLE SEE AT FIRST AND WHAT TO WE PROJECT OUTSIDE. BUT OUR TRUE NATURE IS OUR SUN SIGN I BELEIVE.

So, the 1st picture is representing the appearance, the first impression and the ``feeling`` people have about what I project. Something mysterious and deep. Also, the ``energy`` they receive is somehow calming (those are comments I receive) and they acctually beleive that I am very quiet person ;) (the fire comes later...)

The 2nd one is just simple Sagittarian, sporty, bluntly expressive, overoptimistic, constantly superficialy playful me.

So, if we have here Aries / Pisces - wouldn`t it be similar in (any) a way? Because there would be fire / water combination again. I don`t see any water / deep / mysterious / cloudy look or elements in Arians pictures.

Virgo Moon going in public
Best regards

[Arian Maverick]

It is unreal that even the poll is 50/50. I guess this is adding to the confusion as well.

The poll has now changed to 6/8 in favor of Aries.

There is a real possibility that your ascendant is one of those 29 59 or 0 01 type ones.

Yes, indeed. I do not believe I mentioned this earlier, so I will mention it now; I have a birth certificate with a recorded time of birth that does not appear to be rounded to the nearest hour. This birth time gives me an Ascendant of 1 Aries 10. However, I soon realized that a three-minute hesitation of recording my time of birth would result in a late Pisces Ascendant. I believe this is entirely feasible.

If you really dont know anymore, why not ask a horary question. "Is my Ascendant Pisces". A yes or no would do it then. Only question is the house determination. Do we take the Asc. of the question as being "the asc." and the Moon as being "you" and see if there is a connection between them?

We could also look for aspects between you and/or the Moon as Asc. ruler and Jupiter (for Pisces) and Mars (for Aries). Maybe this could bring you closer.

I tried this upon another member's suggestion a few years ago; you may wish to revisit the thread Do I Have a Pisces Ascendant? (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1245).

Pisces AC IS somehow enigmatic and dreamy. It is just obvious. And the mouth must be somehow curved.
The reason I am posting is that I am fire / water myself and with Pisces AC so, take a look...

These two pictures look very, very different from each other--and I simply do not see the Pisces influence in the second picture you posted, although it is definitely present in the first.

I think you look a lot like the first woman, which you can see better side by side. I think her eyebrows do look like yours (but she paints hers in to look higher to de-emphasize her heavy lids), yours are a bit softer.

As I mentioned earlier, this is not the natural shape of my eyebrows. Perhaps I can find a picture of myself before I began shaping them; left unattended, my eyebrows are thick and virtually flat.

There are a lot of similarities, from the type of hair (though hers is darker), the whole eye area and look in the eyes, the nose, the chin, the mouth, even the smile.

I can appreciate some of these similarities, although I wish to emphasize that I straighten my hair every day; perhaps this is the source of the crispness you later describe. As you can see from the pictures I've posted, even a good hair straightener cannot remove all of the waves from my hair. In this regard, perhaps my hair does resemble that of the first woman--although I imagine that if I cut it this short, it would be unruly.

You have the same eyes and expression as the second woman, especially if you imagine her with less protrusion of the nose between the eyes. There is the same smile and alertness. Your eyebrows are softer, hers are quite firm looking.

Thank you for pointing out these similarities; I suppose the protrusion of the nose prevented me from seeing some of the traits you described.

Your hair still is strawberry blonde IMO, it has that reddish tone to it and that martian crispyness to it, typically around the edges. Platinum blonde is very cool, cold and white, which yours is not, although it is possible that when you get natural highlights from the sun, the hair streaks will be platinum where the red has faded out.

My hair is certainly no longer platinum blonde; I was describing my hair when I was a very young child in an earlier post. And yes, I agree my hair still contains reddish highlights, although the effect is subtle.

Those people with the Pisces rising pictures do look like they are Pisces rising, look at those expressive, soft eyes of Natasa, same with the others.

But you do not look dreamy and far away. Rather, you look bright and alert and wide awake. Your eyes say "hello, I am the very first light"!

I agree, but couldn't this be the influence of natal Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus in Aries in the first house? As another member previously stated, it's hard to miss that stellium.

Thank you, everyone, for your contributions! :smile:

Arian Maverick

[Arian Maverick]

I mean by crispyness (perhaps the wrong word) to be a kind of crinkly, wiry, wavy, type of hair that you only see on red haired people. Nothing to do with using strighteners.

This sounds like an accurate description of my hair. Considering that most blondes have thin hair, the texture of mine is surprisingly thick.

I did not really focus on the eyebrows in my post. People can change the shape like you say.

I know this, but for some reason, I feel the natural shape of one's eyebrows is an important indication of one's Ascendant sign.

I hope Frank won't mind if I quote his post from the thread Is My Boyfriend Pisces or Aries Ascendant? (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17368)

Another thing you have to realize that a still photo really doesn't give one all one needs to know when trying to rectify a rising sign.

The walk, the way the person gestures, their posture, the way they act when taking to people (i.e. looking in the eyes, looking away, eyes wandering, etc.), and even their manners and the way they eat.

Arian Maverick

[Nexus7]

I think a dead giveaway for Pisces is that the upper lip can sometimes have a bit of a pout, it is not clear from this picture of here is one. I thought maybe there might be.By itself, it could only soften the Aries, but as you say, the Moon could have done that.

Still, the Moon affect does not always seem so visible in youth. I have seen pictures of HG Wells, who had the Moon rising in his chart, you would not guess it from this available pictures of him as a young man, it was only when he was chubblily middle-aged that cartoonists satirised his moon face.

So it could be the Moon still needs a little help to produce the softening effects of a triple Aries. Not that I want to play devil's advocate.

Queen Victoria reputedly had Sun and Moon tightly rising in Gemini, though whilst she played a solar role as queen rather than just consorted, she seemed to have had more of a moon face too. Judging from the busts you could not avoid seeing of her, nor the history books showing old photos of her that adorned our otherwise dry history books.

[Modcleopatra]

Arian M you are very pretty whatever your ASC is. You look like Pisces Rising to me. Small hands and/or feet?

[Arian Maverick]

How did you find this thread, Mod? I thought it had disappeared into obscurity :unsure:

Arian M you are very pretty whatever your ASC is. You look like Pisces Rising to me.

I hate to play the devil's advocate again, especially because I know this has been discussed elsewhere on the thread, but are you sure I look like a Pisces Rising? I have the Moon conjunct my Ascendant, which muddles my appearance...

Small hands and/or feet?

I have small relatively small feet; my shoe size can be anywhere between a US size 6 and size 7, with size 6 1/2 being most predominant. My feet are slim, and I have a narrow heel. I've read that Pisces Rising folks tend to have various feet problems, and this is true for me--nothing major, but I have to take care in selecting shoes because I obtain all kinds of cuts and scrapes.

I'm not sure about my hand size. I think they appear larger because I have long, thin fingures.

Thank you for the link, deanna. I submitted a picture to Astrofaces two years ago; I'm listed under Aries/Aries/Aries, but I contacted the webmaster to explain my "Ascendant dilemma." I'm not going to reveal his thoughts yet because I don't want to sway the poll.

I realized I never provided the answer to this; the webmaster of Astrofaces agrees that my ascendant is "probably Pisces." He stated this before I told him about the whole situation with the Moon; however, he didn't rescind his answer afterwards.

Arian Maverick

[Kerrie]

Im an Aries Asc - see my avatar. Im feisty and fiery on the outside and soft Piscean Sun on the inside. :biggrin:

[Arian Maverick]

Im an Aries Asc - see my avatar. Im feisty and fiery on the outside and soft Piscean Sun on the inside.

I can see a bit of softness with you, too--perhaps because of that Pisces Sun. Where's your Moon? Do you have any planets in the first house, conjunct the Ascendant?

This is difficult, but with the information we have, I would not choose Pisces Asc.

Do you have any specific reasons for this, besides those listed by other members? Also, have you taken into consideration that I have the Sun, Moon, Mercury, and Venus in Aries all in my first house?

Arian Maverick

[StarReader]

I voted early Aries asc. for appearance (the stare in the eyes for one, the inquisitiveness)

But i am not convinced - as i couldn't shake off the feeling of a late pisces Asc.
so, maybe i shouldn't have voted as i am unsure.

[Modcleopatra]

You look almost exactly like my mother, and she has Pisces rising, that's why I said it.

It's in your stare, and the bottoming roundness of your face through the cheeks. Plus you have a softness that just couldn't be Aries, and the moon would not soften it enough.

Aries rising, at the end of the day, bestows sharp angles. You don't have those. You have perky, inquisitive features.

Plus the small feet are a dead give away. Aries may be compact, but never narrow. Pisces would surely be narrow, little fishy fins!

Lastly you have no reddening of the face, even though you are an Aries. Sure you have red hair, but it mellow.

Plus you look serene, like a Pisces rising.

I found this post through searching and it seemed interesting. I hope you don't mind that I ressurrected it!

mod.

[Kerrie]

I can see a bit of softness with you, too--perhaps because of that Pisces Sun. Where's your Moon? Do you have any planets in the first house, conjunct the Ascendant?


Asc at 24 Aries. My Moon in Taurus in the 1st (Chiron at 6 and Moon at 9 Taurus). I have Sun/Mercury/Mars in Pisces, plus some asteriods.

[Virinchi]

just by looking at pic i feel aries but cant be sure with a pic

[Arian Maverick]

Would you be really really sure 100% that she is not Taurus Ascendant???

I don't know what templeton's perceptions are telling him, but I am 100% certain that I do not have a Taurus Ascendant. Remember, I have a birth certificate with a recorded time of birth; it's just that the time given on that birth certificate may be off by a few minutes, which would make a difference in my Ascendant sign. I do have cazimi Venus in my first house, however.

Are you referring to her child bearing hips? Those are lovely but I'm afraid not.

This comment makes me so glad I decided to upload pictures of myself to the forum. Are you going to comment upon my generous chest size, as well? :innocent:

I blame it all upon the Moon conjunct my Ascendant. *sigh*

Arian Maverick

[Moulin]

Pisces AC :)

I have moon cj my AC too and i'm aries AC.
You have a very neptunian look coming through your face though Arian Maverick even though you have arian eyebrows and a semi arian chin.

I immediately saw pisces when i clicked on your photo. You look so lovely too - a true friend in peoples lives.

I don't have child bearing hips though!

[Kerrie]

Arian I think we both look a little Ram like dont you think?

[Moulin]

I have no chest and moon cj AC LOL:biggrin:

I do think you are late Pisces though. Where would that put your moon and venus?

[Arian Maverick]

I'm flattered by all of the attention this thread is getting! :love:

Arian I think we both look a little Ram like dont you think?

Yes, of course--but the question is, is this due to a first house Aries stellium, including the Sun, Moon, Mercury, and Venus, as well as an Aries Ascendant? Or is the presence of these planets in the first house enough to make me look ram-like?

If not knowing is 'causing you to split your hair, then have you considered hypnosis regression as a way of finding out?

I've considered regression, but my understanding is that this would take me back to the scene of my birth. Perhaps I may be able to see a clock, but what if the time is off by a few minutes, like nearly all the clocks in my house?

Where would that put your moon and venus?

My Aries Moon would still be conjunct the Ascendant, and Venus would still be conjunct the Sun and Mercury within a degree in the first house.

Arian Maverick

[aquarius7000]

Hi,

I have no chest and moon cj AC LOL:biggrin:..Check to see, if Saturn's interfering through aspects or house placement. What is your Asc? Just a thought. Or else, blame it on genetics.:biggrin:

I have Sat-Moon, too, and though I'm not very generously bestowed, but I'm very comfortable in my skin.:p Perhaps the Leo Asc helped a bit, even though its lord is in its detriment, gah.

;)AQ7

PS: Have you guys noticed, Aries always leads, and it's leading here also, at least as of now.:biggrin:

[Moulin]

Arian Maverick,


So i would say that your Aries look (eyebrows and nose) is your stellium and your Pisces look (eyes, chin and general vibe through the face being slightly watery) is your AC.

Do you have a widows peak?!

I could be totally wrong here though :w00t: muahhh!!!

[Virinchi]

i guess you got the ans

[HeyPlayGirl]

arian you are so CUTE!!!! i would guess late pisces because although you look arian you do possess a kind of soft look to you too...but if your asc is late pisces wouldnt you take on a mix of both pisces and aries since it is so close? i mean even if you didnt have that arian stellium in your 1st house.

regardless i'm going with pisces :happy:

[HeyPlayGirl]

So i would say that your Aries look (eyebrows and nose) is your stellium and your Pisces look (eyes, chin and general vibe through the face being slightly watery) is your AC.

i 100000% agree with this statement!! the chin and softer face + your hair and smile just reminds me of a pisces but your nose and eyes are very "sharp" which is arian to me. and wow moulin you're GORGEOUS. :w00t:

[Radu]

And yet, after 42 votes, there is still a perfect balance between Pisces and Aries Ascendant supporters: 50% -50 % !

I guess it is not much helpful, is it? but it's fun nonetheless... alright, so let's say that it's your destiny not to know exactly which one is it. Or this may be really an argument for the Pisces rising cause, as the Pisces glyph shows the two Pisces heading each one in another direction, their forces being equally balanced. I therefore vote for sushi !

:piscesimg:

[Moulin]

i 100000% agree with this statement!! the chin and softer face + your hair and smile just reminds me of a pisces but your nose and eyes are very "sharp" which is arian to me. and wow moulin you're GORGEOUS. :w00t:


I agree.. her nose is very arian but that softness enveloping her whole face is just so piscean :biggrin:

Thank you HeyPlayGirl! :wink:
I didn't actually realize that my photos would come up on the thread, instead of links. I better take them down!

[Kerrie]

Yes, of course--but the question is, is this due to a first house Aries stellium, including the Sun, Moon, Mercury, and Venus, as well as an Aries Ascendant? Or is the presence of these planets in the first house enough to make me look ram-like?


How you tried rectification? Important days and what transits are touching your ascendant?

[Arian Maverick]

How you tried rectification? Important days and what transits are touching your ascendant?

Yes, I have, but I haven't experienced enough significant life events to produce an accurate rectification. :sad:

Arian Maverick

[Modcleopatra]

TEMPLETON!!!!!

MY MOTHER IS BEAUTIFUL!!!

And she also loved templeton from Charlotte's Web. When she eats a lot she calls herself Templeton.

:tongue:

mod.

[Kerrie]

Yes, I have, but I haven't experienced enough significant life events to produce an accurate rectification. :sad:

Arian Maverick

Mmm.... how old are you?

[Patience]

friendly and ambrassing... u look like a lovly girl to me, no matter what ascendent u are....the mystic about you, seem to be the unsure rising sign...i am deeply sorry for you...its a very frustrating situation to be in...i'm in the same dilemma as you are... but have my sun in cancer and moon in skorpio...

how ever...maybe you are simply both... pices and aries rising....a picaries, so to say?!

xxx

[Arian Maverick]

Don't feel sorry for me, Patience; I believe I deliberately chose a time of birth that yielded an uncertain Ascendant because my sixth house Virgo South Node indicates that I have become too attached to labels in the past. Although I know I can only have one Ascendant, I've embraced the qualities of both signs.

Thank you for the lovely compliments! :love:

Arian Maverick

[Lunar Pisces]

Being a Pisces moon conjunct my DC, I see and sense a Pisces ASC from you. All the Aries influences people see can be accounted for by the Aries inclusion in your first house plus all your Aries placements. But an Aries ASC doesn't account for that "Oh, fellow Pisces!" vibe I'm getting.

So I'm strongly leaning toward late Pisces ASC, at least a couple degree from the cusp.

[Arian Maverick]

I apologize for resurrecting this thread again, but recently it occurred to me that I should add a picture of my brother for comparison because 1) we share genes and 2) he has a Pisces Ascendant. I acknowledge that he looks much more Piscean than me, possibly due to his dignified Jupiter in Pisces conjunct his Pisces Ascendant with an orb only slightly larger than four degrees. He also has less emphasis upon the fire element; the only personal planet in a fire sign is Mercury in Aries, although he has the generational Saturn and Uranus in Sagittarius. There is also a greater emphasis upon earth signs with the Sun in Taurus and the Moon in Capricorn. The Moon is conjunct exalted Mars, however.

Here we are! :happy:

EDIT: I got cold feet about this picture when the thread was revived, so I removed it.

This picture was taken about three years ago, but it was the best I could find. As you can see, I'm as bright and perky as ever, while my brother's smile is much more serene. I'm not sure if this is an indication that I have an Aries Ascendant or not, since our respective Ascendants would be located in different decanates; his is either the first or the second, depending upon the accuracy of his time of birth, and mine would be the third decanate if I have a Pisces Ascendant.

This description from the Keys to Your External Self: PISCES Rising and Decans (http://elbertwade.com/page109.html) certainly is accurate for him, although many of these traits may be due to Jupiter's influence:

The Cancer influence often tends to add roundness and more fleshiness than Pisces alone. Often, there is added size in the middle portion of the torso. Roundness of the head, face, hands, and feet is common. The facial profile may indicate a "dish" shape, terminating with a pronounced chin. If you aren't careful, you can acquire more chins than you'd prefer to have!

Similarly, I believe this description is accurate for me, although I'm not certain about the 'sexiness' part. I'm only going to quote part of this section so I don't exceed 100 words:

Neptune contributes very much to your good looks and mannerisms -- dark eyes, often wavy or curly hair, soft features, petiteness, grace, charm, while Scorpio/Pluto can enhance your sensuousness and sexiness.

Keep in mind, too, that the alertness and drive present in my expression may be an influence of the Mars-ruled Scorpio decanate and Aries duad--not to mention all of those planets in Aries (Sun, Moon, Mercury, and Venus) in the first house. Or perhaps I simply should concede that I have an Aries Ascendant! :pinched:

Finally, here's an excerpt from Keys to Your External Self: ARIES Rising and Decans (http://www.elbertwade.com/page98.html) of the first decanate of Aries:

Physically, you may be taller, thinner, and more wiry than those with the other decans of Aries rising. You may blush easily if embarrassed or angry, but the redness may leave as quickly as it came. Movements likely are quick; you tend to walk briskly and very upright.

I'm neither tall, thin, nor wiry--possibly due to the presence of the Moon on my Ascendant. However, I have been told that I blush easily, and I walk briskly and upright.

Thank you!

Arian Maverick

[Modcleopatra]

:BBQs templeton:

Arian- Your brother looks so very much like a Taurus! Before reading the post I blitzed right through to the pictures, "Ah, he MUST be a Taurus!"

I like being right. :devil:

Based on this picture, you STILL look like Pisces rising to me. A general softness to the face, but with strong features coming through. Just like an Aries stellium poking through a Pisces ASC

mod.

[Mr stellium]

Looks like Pisces but you should try reading the chart from whole sign houses using traditional rulers...
There is a big difference between Pisces Asc ruled by Jupiter/Gemini/4th and Aries Asc ruled by Mars/Gemini/3rd.

[lillyjgc]

Arian
I'm going with Pisces ascendant for you-you have a piscean teeth structure/.But I wouldnt be surprised if your ascendant was at 29 degrees because you have a very Aries spark about you too from the pics.
Lilly

[Arian Maverick]

^What a brave girl you are for posting these pics. Bravo! :w00t:

Thank you for the encouragement! Trust me, it goes against all of my instincts to post pictures of myself on a public forum, but I really wanted to receive input regarding my possible Ascendant sign.

But I would kick my sister in the head if she wore a matching sweater and tried to sit on my lap. :tongue:

I fear that was our mother's doing. Who am I to resist? She so loves her Christmas photos. We'll probably be thirty years old, and she'll still position us together! Fortunately, the matching sweaters are optional.

Okay, now let's do some investimigation. What ascendant sign does your brother think you are?

I wish I could ask my brother this question, but I can't. Or rather, I probably won't receive an answer.

Are you more naturally extroverted than he is?

I certainly am more energetic than my brother, but extroverted? That's difficult to say. We both like periods of solitude interspersed by personal interactions. Indeed, sometimes I suspect it is more important for him to be around people.

What size are his feet?

He seems to have relatively small feet for his height, but unfortunately, I cannot recall his shoe size.

And most importantly, is he single or not? :tongue:

Yes, he's single, but he's not in the dating scene. Sorry! :lol:

Arian- Your brother looks so very much like a Taurus! Before reading the post I blitzed right through to the pictures, "Ah, he MUST be a Taurus!"

I like being right.

It's a great feeling, isn't it? Yes, I clearly see the Taurus influence, as well--especially with the nose.

Based on this picture, you STILL look like Pisces rising to me. A general softness to the face, but with strong features coming through. Just like an Aries stellium poking through a Pisces ASC

Hmm, that's interesting; I felt certain that the polls would tip more prominently towards an Aries Ascendant after I posted this picture, and members would retract their statements that I had a Pisces Ascendant.

Looks like Pisces but you should try reading the chart from whole sign houses using traditional rulers...

There is a big difference between Pisces Asc ruled by Jupiter/Gemini/4th and Aries Asc ruled by Mars/Gemini/3rd.

Thanks for the suggestion. I understand that there's a big difference between the two, but it is still difficult for me to discern between them because so much of my identity is fused to that Mars placement. I cannot tell if this is due to Mars' rulership of my Ascendant and/or Mars' rulership of my Aries stellium.

How do you suppose the Jupiter/Gemini/4th influence would manifest?

Arian
I'm going with Pisces ascendant for you-you have a piscean teeth structure/.But I wouldnt be surprised if your ascendant was at 29 degrees because you have a very Aries spark about you too from the pics.
Lilly

I definitely agree with you there; if I have a Pisces Ascendant, it's either on the 28th or 29th degree. Although I resonate more deeply with the Sabian symbol for the 28th degree--"Light breaking into many colors as it passes through a prism"--the Sabian symbol for the 29th degree describes the course my life has taken thus far--"A majestic rock formation resembling a face is idealized by a boy who takes it as his ideal of greatness; as he grows up, he begins to look like it." This degree seems perfect, not only due to its description, but also due to its placement between Pisces 28 and Aries 1. According to 360 Degrees of Wisdom: Charting Your Destiny With The Sabian Oracle by Lynda Hill, both the preceding degree and the next degree are important. This sequence of past/present/future just seems right to me.

I can take or leave the Sabian symbol for the 1st degree of Aries: "A woman has risen out of the ocean, a seal is embracing her." I like the symbology, but it simply doesn't resonate with me like the degree of my Ascendant should. Meanwhile, the Sabian symbol for the 2nd degree of Aries--my current Ascendant--seems foreign: "A comedian entertaining a group of friends."

Thank you, all! :smile:

Arian Maverick

[astropsychologist]

I would say Aries, you look really like someone I know who is an Aries Sun

[Arian Maverick]

I would say Aries, you look really like someone I know who is an Aries Sun

Is this all you're going by? Because I have an Aries Sun, as well as an Aries Moon, Aries Mercury, and Aries Venus--all in the first house.

Arian Maverick

[astropsychologist]

Oh right (sorry, haven't read the full thread!). Well in that case, i'd probably change my mind and lean more towards a Pisces rising, because there's a softness about your features that I would associate more with Pisces than Aries.
Good luck figuring it out!

[Courtney Love]

Perhaps it's your billowy hair, but I get such a softness from you that I voted pisces.

I also find it surprising that firey aries & watery pisces could be confused for one another... I mean, I'm surprised you can't be sure yourself you know?

[Arian Maverick]

I also find it surprising that firey aries & watery pisces could be confused for one another... I mean, I'm surprised you can't be sure yourself you know?

I'd probably have an easier time discerning between the two if the Moon wasn't conjunct my Ascendant. What is the influence of the Moon, and what is the influence of Pisces Ascendant? As others have pointed out on this thread, I also have Venus in my first house, which may soften my appearance.

Neptune also squares three planets in my Aries stellium, conferring additional sensitivity. Again, what is the influence of these aspects, and what is the influence of Pisces Ascendant?

As Aquarius7000 suggested, would the combination of the Moon conjunct the Ascendant and a Pisces Ascendant create an individual so sensitive she could not cope with the world? I'm sensitive, but am I really this type?

Arian Maverick

[Kite]

Hi Beth - the keyword for Aries is I AM. The keyword for Pisces is I Believe. One is so sure of itself that it bangs it's head over and over again (I have Moon 4 aries conjunct Mars at 2 aries so I know) and the other lives more like Alice in Wonderland or aspires to.

I won't tell you which way I'm leaning because this is your own rabbit hole (hint, hint) :-)

Kite

[piscesnurse]

I think u look like an aries ~~but both are great i am a pisces sun with aries rising myself

[Arian Maverick]

I probably should close this thread, since I had my natal chart rectified recently and confirmed the Ascendant sign through another source, but why spoil the fun? :whistling:

EDIT: I changed my avatar and my signature, so I don't give away the answer too easily.

I won't tell you which way I'm leaning because this is your own rabbit hole (hint, hint) :-)

You have inspired me to change my "location" in my status, Kite!

Arian Maverick

[Arijana]

100 percent pisces I'd say :)

[Blossoms]

good times, good times
you're awesome as always Arian Maverick

[T-2000]

Early Aries,,,, Trust me.

[Arian Maverick]

Early Aries,,,, Trust me.

Yes, I agree that I'm very Arian in both appearance and mannerisms. Have you read my introductory post, which states that I have my natal Sun, Moon, Mercury, and Venus in Aries in the first house? This is one of the reasons why chart rectification was so difficult, in my case.

I have had my natal chart rectified by two independent sources, and both agree that I have a Pisces Ascendant. Ironically, neither option on this poll is correct--I have a Pisces Ascendant in the first decanate of Pisces (7 Pisces), not a late Pisces Ascendant! :surprised:

I am confident that I do not have an early Aries Ascendant because I did not respond to Pluto's ingress into Capricorn, which should have been conjunct my Midheaven and square my Ascendant. I experienced a total upheaval several years prior to Pluto's ingress, which corresponds to the angles of my rectified chart. So there is no doubt that I have a Pisces Ascendant, although of course, I will continue to observe transits to confirm the exact degree.

Thank you everyone who has participated in this poll! :smile:

Arian Maverick

[Blossoms]

Awww, is it all over?

I wanted to say something against that Pluto ingress, if you let me of course.

[Arian Maverick]

I wanted to say something against that Pluto ingress, if you let me of course.

Of course! Go right ahead. :smile:

Arian Maverick

[Blossoms]

Alright, It's not really related to the rectification itself, but it's still very important to clarify it.

The Pluto ingress is not a good checkpoint for a rectification and there are many reasons for it.
He may be a cute lil' strong planet, but:

1) It's a slow planet! Even if touches a key point in your chart, such as the ascendant or mid-heaven, the influence will still take years until you see it. It's like 'they don't even know what hit them', If I may use this phrase.
2) It's lonely! It needs a healthy triple transit for a sudden influence, and I don't mean just Mercury, Mars, Venus or Sun with a Moon activating. A planet like Pluto for a nice triple transit must have at least one strong aspect ( conjunct, square, etc ) with a Jupiter or Saturn, otherwise the triple transit won't have enough force for a sudden event.
Pluto is a strong planet, but without help from other planets to magnify it's influence, the events will be slow, invisible, scattered and collateral. Just imagine other planets being a magnifying glass.
3) It's a transpersonal planet! Remember the phrase 'they don't even know what hit them'. Pluto has a more materialized effect on people who live on Pluto archetypes, like chemists, detectives, priests, magicians, people who deal with the unknown, the invisible, the occult and the spiritual. For someone who doesn't deal with these, Pluto has a even a lesser influence on them, because they are not tapped with the planet. ( Yeah people will probably reply to me with " Do you even know in what forum you're replying you jerk ?! " )
Pluto is an invisible planet, it does make events, but nobody notices it, only the ones sensitive enough.

If you want to look at what could Pluto do directly, look for a Jupiter and a Saturn, does it make any important aspects ? I sometimes think you need to wait until Saturn makes a conjunct with Pluto in Capricorn ( or at least a square from Libra ) OR that Uranus/Jupiter on Aries that is right now too see if you can notice any important events.
After you found that Jupiter and Saturn, then look for the smaller one like Mars, Sun, Venus, Mercury and Moon. ( well you know these already, I am just repeating myself )

Uranus, Neptune and Pluto are transpersonals, meaning they are invisible, Uranus being the least and hey Jupiter is with Uranus already and in Aries.
Uranus would make a better candidate to focus on, he is much more sudden in events and closer to your natal personal planets in Aries. Pluto is more difficult to spot now, more hidden and it needs more patience for a rectification. Maybe Saturn in Libra square Pluto might indicate something too, but Saturn in Capricorn might prove more important in the future.

Also the Pluto events years back could also be attributed to Uranus being on your North Node.

[Arian Maverick]

Hmm, now that I read that I realize you really don't know what time you were born.

You are incorrect; I know the time of my physical birth, which I believe is accurate within five or ten minutes. However, I no longer subscribe to the "first breath" theory. Read Kannon's post in the thread Entrance of the Soul seen Astrologically (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24339) for more details. By the way, Astro-Intuive also does not subscribe to this principle. Unfortunately, his website Soul Map (http://www.soul-map.com/) is currently down. I wish I could link to the articles he has written; they are excellent.

Then, what I said here:

Originally Posted by Haizea
Would you be really really sure 100% that she is not Taurus Ascendant???

might not be so silly...

With all due respect, this simply is not possible--and even it is was, do you truly believe my Aries stellium occupies the twelfth house? I am much too forthwright for that.

Arian Maverick

[Arian Maverick]

Alright, It's not really related to the rectification itself, but it's still very important to clarify it.

The Pluto ingress is not a good checkpoint for a rectification and there are many reasons for it.

He may be a cute lil' strong planet, but:

1) It's a slow planet! Even if touches a key point in your chart, such as the ascendant or mid-heaven, the influence will still take years until you see it. It's like 'they don't even know what hit them', If I may use this phrase.

I believe this precisely is why all trans-Saturnian planets are good rectification tools; their slow movement means that one can more precisely determine one's Ascendant or Midheaven degree.

2) It's lonely! It needs a healthy triple transit for a sudden influence, and I don't mean just Mercury, Mars, Venus or Sun with a Moon activating. A planet like Pluto for a nice triple transit must have at least one strong aspect ( conjunct, square, etc ) with a Jupiter or Saturn, otherwise the triple transit won't have enough force for a sudden event.

Pluto is a strong planet, but without help from other planets to magnify it's influence, the events will be slow, invisible, scattered and collateral. Just imagine other planets being a magnifying glass.

I'll look into this further, but I assure you that I did not use Pluto's ingress into Capricorn as the sole basis of my chart rectification. I simply provided it as an example.

To utilize your advice, there were many transits on an important day in 2004:

Uranus conjunct NN
Uranus conjunct Ascendant (in rectified chart)
Pluto conjunct Midheaven (in rectified chart)
Pluto opposite Mars
Sun/Mercury conjunction opposite natal Sun/Venus/Mercury conjunction and square natal Saturn/Neptune conjunction
Mars/Jupiter conjunction opposite natal Moon and square natal Uranus

So, yes, there were inner planets coupled with Mars and Jupiter.

3) It's a transpersonal planet! Remember the phrase 'they don't even know what hit them'. Pluto has a more materialized effect on people who live on Pluto archetypes, like chemists, detectives, priests, magicians, people who deal with the unknown, the invisible, the occult and the spiritual. For someone who doesn't deal with these, Pluto has a even a lesser influence on them, because they are not tapped with the planet. ( Yeah people will probably reply to me with " Do you even know in what forum you're replying you jerk ?! " )

Pluto is an invisible planet, it does make events, but nobody notices it, only the ones sensitive enough.

Although I do not have any of these occupations, I believe I am affiliated with Pluto because I have this planet in Scorpio in my eighth house; it also is the apex planet of a yod configuration which involves my natal Sun-Venus-Mercury conjunction and Mars.

If you want to look at what could Pluto do directly, look for a Jupiter and a Saturn, does it make any important aspects ?

Are you referring to natal aspects, or those formed by transiting planets?

I sometimes think you need to wait until Saturn makes a conjunct with Pluto in Capricorn ( or at least a square from Libra ) OR that Uranus/Jupiter on Aries that is right now too see if you can notice any important events.

That Uranus/Jupiter conjunction in Aries is another good indicator that I do not have an early Aries Ascendant. I'll see if anything happens once these planets conjoin my natal Moon, but my life is incredibly tranquil at the moment--almost boring. This may change once I experience my first Uranus square, however.

After you found that Jupiter and Saturn, then look for the smaller one like Mars, Sun, Venus, Mercury and Moon. ( well you know these already, I am just repeating myself )

Can you clarify your instructions a bit?

Uranus, Neptune and Pluto are transpersonals, meaning they are invisible, Uranus being the least and hey Jupiter is with Uranus already and in Aries. Uranus would make a better candidate to focus on, he is much more sudden in events and closer to your natal personal planets in Aries. Pluto is more difficult to spot now, more hidden and it needs more patience for a rectification. Maybe Saturn in Libra square Pluto might indicate something too, but Saturn in Capricorn might prove more important in the future.

This is fair enough, but I believe Uranus aspected my Ascendant and/or Midheaven during several important life events.

Also the Pluto events years back could also be attributed to Uranus being on your North Node.

True, the drama began to unfold when transiting Uranus was conjunct my natal North Node, but in my rectified chart, Uranus was approaching my Ascendant. I believe such significant life-altering events I experienced during this time must reflect something more personal than Uranus conjunct my North Node. I have many friends who were born within a few weeks or months of me, so we have similar nodal placements. However, I was the only one who experienced such significant life events that my entire high school discussed the possible reasons for my abrupt absence and concocted vicious rumors regarding my personal life. Of course, all the rumors my friends ventured to tell me were untrue.

Arian Maverick

[Blossoms]

I didn't notice your edits yet. I'll re-read.


Can you clarify your instructions a bit?

We have trans-personals planets ( Pluto, Neptune, Uranus )
We have social planets ( Saturn, Jupiter )
We have personal planets ( Mars, Sun, Venus, Mercury, Moon )
We have trigger planets ( Sun, Moon )

A transpersonal planet for a sudden event it needs a social planet to materialize. Then the social planet needs a personal planet to materialize onward. The event will activated by trigger planets, which by default is either Moon or Sun.

The idea is that transpersonals planets need an intermediary for a faster, more sudden influence, otherwise we won't notice it's influence.

Are you referring to natal aspects, or those formed by transiting planets?


It's a bit weird. Pluto conjuncts a supposedly mid-heaven or any important place in your natal chart. It needs a third party from the transit, such as Saturn squaring Pluto from the transit, which puts more pressure on that mid-heaven or any other natal point making an event even more precise.

Saturn channels it's extra energy on Pluto in transit, while Pluto conjuncts natal mid-heaven with Saturn helping. This is in theory, I don't know if that square even happen.


I assure you that I did not use Pluto's ingress into Capricorn as the sole basis of my chart rectification. I simply provided it as an example.
I know, I'm not against the rectification. It's just my 2 cents about Pluto.

[T-2000]

[QUOTE]Yes, I agree that I'm very Arian in both appearance and mannerisms. Have you read my introductory post, which states that I have my natal Sun, Moon, Mercury, and Venus in Aries in the first house?

No, Actually...

This is one of the reasons why chart rectification was so difficult, in my case.

Yes for sure....

I have had my natal chart rectified by two independent sources, and both agree that I have a Pisces Ascendant. Ironically, neither option on this poll is correct--I have a Pisces Ascendant in the first decanate of Pisces (7 Pisces), not a late Pisces Ascendant! :surprised:

May be I should check my chart as well...:andy:


Thank you everyone who has participated in this poll! :smile:

You are welcome..:smile:

[templeton]

29 degrees Pisces.

You don't have the soft, dreamy eyes of your brother but Neptune makes a lot more sense as your chart ruler than Mars.

You can't take the moon away from the ascendant, because then we would have no way of explaining your curvy figure.

Dolly Parton has her virgo moon conjunct ascendant. I'm not comparing you to Dolly, but your measurements probably aren't too far off. I couldn't find a Pisces ascendant celebrity with a comparable body type but admittedly my search wasn't thorough. You may have better luck than I did.

If you re-read this thread, you may notice yourself becoming defensive when anyone suggests that you're an Aries ascendant. It is not a good idea to start a thread requiring honest feedback if you're only willing to accept one answer.

I would also like to put it out there not knowing your ascendant may be a part of your "lessons" and you shouldn't view it so much as a curse than perhaps as as an opportunity for growth and an exercise in patience.

I still maintain that no mortal can rectify a chart with exact certainty and one hundred percent accuracy without possessing some sort of spiritual recall. But I also believe that the person who worked on your chart to be a very good and capable astrologer.

I just don't agree with his final results. It would mean that I am wrong and we both know that simply isn't possible ;)

[Red Hood]

I don't want to burst your bubble lady but you are pisces! That blunt smile and those transparent eyes! And I'm mad that you are all using the good name of Aries which is a strong masculine sign to represent this girl. YOU ARE NOT ARIES AND YOU WILL NEVER WILL BE! First of all i don't want to sound all arrogant but you have such a wird body and a doll face. Being Aries is not a party gift. You have to be born this way. And yes I'm Aries rising if you are asking yourself. I can't belive people are so blind and dumb. They confused Aries with you! You have pisces written all over you. Weak and pathetic! I'm so mad! Aries is strong and is driving attention, people notice you if you are Aries and I can walk beside you and not even notice you! I think you are angry because you look so weird and you are trying to make your life better by thinking you are Aries! Well i have news for you! Being Aries doesn't make you better or more beutiful. You have to be strong and brave. I'm not saying being Aries is perfect some of as are really jerks. I'm mean just because astrology is saying that Aries is all perfect evert moron out there who is Aries thinks he is a god. I have seen such weak examples of Ares that I wanna puke. But you are not Aries! And every body wants to be Aries because they think it will make their life better! Well it's not going to be better unless you are willing to fight your weaknesses and be better, no rising sign will help you if you are weak. So to sum up you are not Aries. I'm Aries rising: Ascendant 0°56' Aries and you are probably: "29°40' Pisces". See http://www.astrotheme.com/symbolic_degrees.php for more detail. And also you others who are thinking she is Aries (?!) should have a look to! You don't know **** about astrology! You are trying to make her feel better! I mean look at her! And one more thing i heard like a hundred stories about people saying like "oh i'm libra rising but i act and look like a scorpio" There is no great influence if you are on the cusp of a sign! If you have like 29 degrees libra you are libra! Granted there is some scorpio influence but very little! If you actually feel and look like a scorpio then you have your birth time wrong! It can be wrong even if the time they wrote is right, what i mean is that maybe the clock wasn't set right so they can rob you of a couple of minutes! And i'm sorry i have been so hars but this is reality. Not a dream land. But she is still pisces. She doesn't look like an Aries. Not in a million years! Also see http://www.astrotheme.com/files/ascendant_appearance_and_health.php

[Raquel]

You are an Aries Rising with any doubt for me :tongue:

[Arian Maverick]

Calm down Red Hood! I created this thread two years ago, and since then I've had two astrologers rectify my natal chart to Pisces Ascendant. Nevertheless, I still have a first house Aries stellium consisting entirely of personal planets--the Sun, Moon, Mercury, and Venus--so I am perplexed that you resent that I identify myself as Arian.

I'm mean just because astrology is saying that Aries is all perfect evert moron out there who is Aries thinks he is a god.

I actually tend to be very defensive about the attributes of Aries; I don't think the common description sounds "perfect" at all. Whatever my screen name may imply--I created it six years ago, originally Aquarian Maverick but changed when I discovered my correct time of birth--I want to have less Aries in my natal chart. I was pleased when my natal chart was rectified to a Pisces Ascendant. Of course, I still forever seek others' input, which is why I haven't requested this thread to close.

It can be wrong even if the time they wrote is right, what i mean is that maybe the clock wasn't set right so they can rob you of a couple of minutes!

This is the conclusion I arrived at, as well. I created this thread because only a three-minute delay in recording my time of birth results in a Pisces Ascendant.

Arian Maverick

[Red Hood]

Look your first house is not Aries. Your asc. is pisces so your first house is pisces. The astrologer you mentioned should know that. Second i'm sorry for my behavior. And third pisces are not so bad. That stellium you mentioned is only occuring when your sun is in Aries. Personal planets move around the sun so they have to be close by. I saw some examples where venus can go to a completly different sign but stellium shoud only occur in the sign where the sun is positioned.

[Arian Maverick]

Look your first house is not Aries. Your asc. is pisces so your first house is pisces. The astrologer you mentioned should know that.

Do you use Whole Sign House system? If so, then yes, my Aries stellium would be located in the second whole sign house. But in most house systems, my Aries stellium is located within the first house even if the Ascendant is not in Aries.

Second i'm sorry for my behavior.

Apology accepted. No hard feelings! :happy:

That stellium you mentioned is only occuring when your sun is in Aries. Personal planets move around the sun so they have to be close by. I saw some examples where venus can go to a completly different sign but stellium shoud only occur in the sign where the sun is positioned.

My Sun is in Aries, at 15 degrees, and Mercury and Venus are within one degree of it. The Moon is not quite within ten degrees of the Sun, but the lights often utilize larger orbs, anyway, so I consider all of these planets to be conjunct. I am confident this configuration is considered to be a stellium.

Here is my (unrectified) natal chart:

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=315&pictureid=1721

Arian Maverick

[Red Hood]

And just for the sake of argument, for a girl that doesn't like Aries you sure do talk a lot about that stellium in this thread. Like you deep down wanna be Aries. And you don't need input, you are pisces and if you like that sign even better. And ascendant is who you are. Planets like the sun and all other have a due date. They don't last for ever but ascendant is what you truly are. So why do you want to hear people saying you are Aries if you wanna have less influence by that sign. And you shoud change you username to Pisces Maverick. And besides pisces is a really reat sign.

[Red Hood]

Do you use Whole Sign House system? If so, then yes, my Aries stellium would be located in the second whole sign house. But in most house systems, my Aries stellium is located within the first house even if the Ascendant is not in Aries.



Apology accepted. No hard feelings! :happy:



My Sun is in Aries, at 15 degrees, and Mercury and Venus are within one degree of it. The Moon is not quite within ten degrees of the Sun, but the lights often utilize larger orbs, anyway, so I consider all of these planets to be conjunct. I am confident this configuration is considered to be a stellium.

Here is my (unrectified) natal chart:

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=315&pictureid=1721

Arian Maverick
Well since your sun is in Aries than you have a lot influence by that sign. You should be proud! It's a nice natal chart!

[Red Hood]

But you still got me confused about that first house thing. The asc. house is allways the first ( no matter which system you use) and the chart you have posted is not the real one. Maybe you have a stellium of stars but is not in your first house.

[Arian Maverick]

And just for the sake of argument, for a girl that doesn't like Aries you sure do talk a lot about that stellium in this thread. Like you deep down wanna be Aries. And you don't need input, you are pisces and if you like that sign even better. And ascendant is who you are. Planets like the sun and all other have a due date. They don't last for ever but ascendant is what you truly are. So why do you want to hear people saying you are Aries if you wanna have less influence by that sign. And you shoud change you username to Pisces Maverick. And besides pisces is a really reat sign.

I felt I needed to remind people that I have an Aries stellium in this thread because most people detected an Aries influence in my appearance. Without the knowledge that I already have a heavy emphasis upon this sign, they may have assumed automatically that I have an Aries Ascendant. For me, the question never was "Do I look Arian?" The question was "Do I look Arian enough to have Ascendant, Sun, Moon, Mercury, and Venus in Aries?"

So why do you want to hear people saying you are Aries if you wanna have less influence by that sign.

I did not want to hear other people suggest that I have an Aries Ascendant; as another member observed, I tended to argue with anyone who did! With the perspective of time, I can admit that I created this thread because I sought others' confirmation that my intuition was correct, that I have a Pisces Ascendant.

Nevertheless, you may be correct that "deep down [I] wanna be Aries." I possess many obvious surface-level Arian characteristics, but I feel I lack the truer essential qualities of bravery and optimism.

I hope you don't mind if we conclude this conversation here or continue through private message. I'm beginning to feel a bit too self-indulgent commenting so many times on my own thread.

Arian Maverick

[Ixaee]

You do look less bold and direct than most Aries-asc Ive seen... and you definitely have that sweet Pisces glow about you..

But oh no, I always imagined you were a man with all of the strong energy you give off.. :surprised:!!
(Ive been lurking this site for months.. lol)

[wilsontc]

All,

Please focus on the topic for discussion and give your opinion only. Do not attack the OP or try to force your opinion onto others. State your opinion, back it up with astrology, and leave the personal remarks out of it. I will continue to delete any off-topic remarks.

Back on subject,

Tim