house of marriage?

[hermetic]

if the question is phrased 'will we marry' and 1st and 7th house significators are applying, it still doesn't say about marriage, no?

is there a particular house pertaining to marriage?
9th house as 3rd from 7th perhaps?
or 10th, as 4th from 7th, end of matter?

so, I should look for significators applying to 9th or 10th ruler?

here is the chart in question?
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c164/hermetic38/natal/marriage.gif


NN is in the 10th, but at the critical degree, Pluto on 9th house cusp, Pluto, Sun opposing.
Mars and Venus applying and about to apply trine to Saturn ruling 9th and 10th - yes

but the Moon is not promising, soon to come under beams of Sun, and passed the square to Saturn which might suggest recert arguing, and will trine Jupiter.
What to make of it? :confused:

[noideaaboutastro]

I am interested in this too and will be keeping a close eye on this thread.

[starlink]

Hermetic, marriage questions are always 7th house questions because we are automatically talking about person A (Ascendant) making a positive aspect to person B (Descendant) or vice versa when person B is a faster planet than person A.

So dont look at the 3rd of the 7th or anything else. Also do not ever use Pluto, Neptune or Uranus as significators. You can use them as occurrences, like Moon approaching Pluto in a square aspect: emotional turmoil. These planets were not used by the traditional astrologers.

When the quisitor (A) asks if he or she will ever marry, you also look at the 7th house only and try to find a connection between house 1 and 7.

So in this chart we take indeed Mars and Venus. The fact that Mars is in Venusses house is very good, showing that Mars wants to be with Venus.
But Mars is not very strong here, not sure maybe about the relationship? Mars is peregrine, feeling as if he does not belong to Venus, whilst Venus is receiving an uncomfortable Mars in her sign, or making him feel uncomfortable for some reason.

Now Mars is at 15°36' and Venus at 15°44. But who is running faster? It is Venus.
Venus is moving away from the conjunction with Mars and so the answer "will they get married"? is a NO.
It is possible that Mars will tell Venus that he wants to wait a bit longer because he makes an ingoing trine to Saturn, the delayer.

Moon, who co-rules Venus is also not making an aspect to Mars and worst of all, Moon is approaching the combustion with the Sun, one of the worst positions Moon can be in.

So even though it seems that there is a close relationship going on, I dont think it will result in marriage.

[Teb]

I am new and always try to figure out horary relationship questions, so I am just trying

7th house is the house of contracts/marriage you are venus and the other person is mars, you all conjunct in the first house but no aspects are made to the moon. It looks to me you all will be very close but not married.

Lets wait for the horary experts . . .

[hermetic]

starlink, thanks for the explanation :)

so, no special house attributed to marriage then? but how then can you distinguish between just getting/being together and getting married, if the case when significators are applying aspect?

well, I completely did not see conjuction between Venus and Mars was separating - that is telling a lot definitely.
hmmm, but since Venus is faster does that mean I leave him, or... ?
and I knew Moon position is unlikely to give a 'yes'

it certainly describes current situation well, he is akward and I have the impulse to run off because of this. it is a close bond between us but something is not right.

but as I've seen with charts before it is only telling as things are standing now, we won't be getting married in the near future for sure :o

[starlink]

but how then can you distinguish between just getting/being together and getting married, if the case when significators are applying aspect?



It depends on the question entirely. When one asks: Will I marry this man, you get a yes, you will marry and when the question is: I just saw this gorgeous guy, is there a chance we will get together?, then the answer is also yes (but does not mean straight away that marriage is in the picture.

[archergirl]

Hermetic,

To answer your house question specifically, the 7th house is the house of marriage (and divorce)...but in almost every question that could possibly be asked about two people getting married, what you are looking for is the union of the 1st house ruler with the 7th house ruler by aspect or translation...and this is because, as Starlink outlined, the 1st house rules the querent and the 7th house rules the partner, or potential partner. Most horary questions have to do with two people, rather than the 'idea' of marriage, so there is no separate significator for marriage, in a marriage question. Just the two people.

AG:)

[hermetic]

It is possible that Mars will tell Venus that he wants to wait a bit longer because he makes an ingoing trine to Saturn, the delayer.


had to bump this thread up, just to make confirmation of the happenings. good one starlink - Mars(him) indeed has told Venus(me) he needs more time on this decision :crying: not exactly that I proposed or anything ;) we were just talking about how serious this all is and his opinion is that he is not fully certain about his desires. :unsure:

[starlink]

Thank you very much for the update Hermetic. This is extremely useful for me (and others as well of course). I am sorry Mars decides to wait a bit longer, men are usually quite cautious in these things. In my case, my father, after us dating about 3 years, bluntly told my husband: "AND??? when will there be a marriage???" Terrible, I could not believe he said that, but OK, my Mars said "alright then, lets get married". Not too romantic of course, I would have preferred the going on one knee act, but so be it:)!!
Hope he will come to realise what he really desires then.

Cheers, Starlink