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06-21-2009, 12:27 AM
The recent Obama discussions, brought into question my own past: Am I a Natural Born U.S.Citizen. My Grandmom migrated to the United States at the age of 12-14(In the 1960's). She then had a child(My mother).
My Mother's most definately a U.S. Citizen. But the problems begin with her being a wild teenager. You know these days, sex for the heck of it. and such. So we don't know who my father is. But I'm pretty sure that he had to have been a U.S.Citizen. Hopefully, or my dreams of Presidency will end
Nooos :( lol.
I personally wish I had chosen a better time to ask the question. I am the ASC(Jupiter). And I'll give Citizenship the 9th house of law, which is ruled by Mercury.
I'm in a terrible position. I'm in a critical degree, I'm not recieving the trine, Neptune is. The Citizenship has reception as the ruler of the 9th house(Mercury) is inside her Sign of Gemini.
Whilst Jupiter is unaspected, Mercury(Citizenship) is conjunct the end of the matter Moon, located in the Fifth house. If the conjunction is deemed positive, the 9th house Saturn squaring the conjunction scares me.
06-21-2009, 01:03 AM
It doesn't matter who your parents are, if you were born in the U.S.
Where were you born?
06-21-2009, 03:45 AM
I was born in the U.S.A.
06-21-2009, 04:33 AM
I was born in the U.S.A.
Then you ARE a US citizen, no matter what. :smile:
06-21-2009, 06:01 AM
How about reading the Horary for a little confirmation lol, I don't like the chart.
06-21-2009, 09:33 AM
You're asking a question that can easily be answered, as katydid noted, by doing a bit of reading about immigration laws in the US. If you were born in the US and your mother is a citizen, then you are a citizen. Full stop. President Obama's father was Kenyan. He was born in the US. He's a US citizen and also our President. Let's think logically here.
Unless this isn't really your question. If your question is about your parentage, then you need to be asking a different question and look at different things in the chart...although I wonder why you feel there should be doubt about the citizenship of your father. (?)
06-21-2009, 12:07 PM
Because Mom was your typical Party-Alcholic teenager and had sex with someone she didn't know and poof, in comes lil me ;)
06-21-2009, 12:30 PM
Yes, but unless you belong to an ethnic group where there are a lot of non-citizen immigrants, or you are of mixed racial heritage, why would the citizenship even be in question? Is this the case?
But you're missing my point. You can answer citizenship questions without horary.
06-21-2009, 01:25 PM
My Grandmother descended from Germany around the 1960's, where she had Mom here in the U.S. Obviously being born in 1992, without doubt I was born on U.S. Soil. Haven't been or seen anything else but PA.
But I don't know my father's racial heritage :(. Is the chart difficult to answer and is that why it's being avoided?
06-21-2009, 01:50 PM
Regardless of what your parents did or where they came from, since you were born on American soil you are a us citizen...
there is nothing mystical about this question, you don't need to look at the stars to develop common sense, You wouldn't cast a horay chart to see if the butcher has fresh meat (Exceptions aside) Would you?
By then the meat could have spoiled, and when you could have had fresh by asking the tradesmen himself, you'd rather appear special and unique by seeking alternative means.
Sometimes a brick is just a brick.
You don't need charts to tell you something that is known, Its a waste of a good tool to use it so friviously.
If you don't beleieve us, go to the library, seek a lawer, or call the police station, and they can help you.
Are you trying to ask who your father is, if you are you should ask that specificly and re-cast the chart for when you actualize that question in your mind.
06-21-2009, 02:41 PM
Frivious, I don't know what it means lol.
06-21-2009, 02:45 PM
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06-21-2009, 05:28 PM
Awakened Pisces, you don't need horary to answer 'Am I a Natural Born US Citizen'. You were born in the US. Your mother is a US citizen. Therefore, you are a natural born US citizen. You don't need horary to answer this question. This isn't a hard question to answer; it's just pointless answering it via horary since the answer is already there. Horary questions need to be clearly stated. Yours was, but you don't need a horary for it. It's as simple as that. You didn't ask the chart about your father's racial heritage; you asked whether you were a natural US citizen.
01-15-2011, 03:59 AM
I do agree that judging the chart is moot for the above reasons. If you were born here you are a US citizen.
To myself this seems like a "is it true?" question. Is it true that I am a natural born us citizen. The 9th is the house of foreign countries it would not be that.
I suppose its feasible that contacts between lord 1 or the moon to the 9th house as immigrants could give a answer if looked at in that perspective.
Your question is not frivolous, the answer is not necessary;thats all.
Lion o ness
01-15-2011, 04:08 AM
I agree.. It doesnt matter where your parents were born.. What matters is where you were born... If you were born in the USA. you are a born citizen.. Even if you parents were here say on vacation... Any and all babies born in the US are us citizens...
Your not another citizenship because of your father.. Your place of birth determines your citizenship...
I know people that live in mexico and are mexico residents (citizenship), but come to the Us to have a baby just prior to due.. Once the baby is born, they go back to mexico... That baby is a US citizen.. They do this, so they dont have to go through the immigration process to come back and fourth from mexico to the US..
01-15-2011, 04:49 AM
(Following is a test of the experimental Walis Magic 8 Ball astro-divination method and is not in accordance with standard horary practice; following uses whole sign house format)
If the querent did NOT already know that US law automatically regards children born in the US (regardless of their parent's legal staus) as US citizens, then the question is legitimate and radical for delineation.
Of course the answer to this question is known-the answer is yes.
What would the Magic 8 Ball have indicated?
-since this is an "am I" question, I myself would have taken the first house as significator: 1st house = Sagittarius = Jupiter = a "yes" answer by the 8 Ball "rules"
-an arguement could be made that the 9th house, ruling legal matters, should more properly be taken as significator; if so then 9th house = Leo = the Sun = a "yes" answer
-another arguement could be made that this is a government-related issue, in which case the 10th house would be taken as significator; if so then 10th house = Virgo =
Mercury = a "yes" answer.
So-if this were a legitimate question-the 8 Ball gave a (correct) yes answer regardless of which likely signifying house was chosen...
Matthew The Astrologer
02-07-2011, 04:33 AM
Okay, suppose the horary chart says you definitely NOT a natural-born US citizen. Will you do the right thing and report yourself to the INS immediately? Because, if so... I'll interpret it, but you have to absolutely promise me you'll turn yourself in. You can use me as your astrologer as a reference if they don't believe you. Also: in order to properly answer the question, we need to know the place of birth.
Matthew The Astrologer
02-07-2011, 04:34 AM
That,of course, is the real reason we're avoiding answering it.
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