Transits to the relocated chart

[indigo]

From all I can gather,relocated charts are not as important or influential as natal.However I'd like to know if transits to a relocated chart especially if the person has lived there a long time,can over ride transits to the natal as far as house influence goes.Several years ago Pluto was transiting my relocated 3rd house.Seven of my close neighbors died.I thought this was pretty significant in terms of transits to relocated.Now that Pluto is in my relocated 4th I have lived in constant chaos in terms of several moves,always having stuff in boxes sitting around or in storage.Never settled or comfortable.
I also wonder if the Pluto transits seem more exaggerated for me because I am living near my Jupiter line and my Jupiter is ruled by Scorpio/Pluto.Saturn has been in my relocated 1st for the last few years and I cannot remember the last time I had some fun,it seems like work work and more work.
Anyone have comments or experience on transits etc to relocated?
By the way I have been relocated for 23 years and I think the longer you live somewhere the more influence it has on the chart.
Indigo

[EJ53]

Anyone have comments or experience on transits etc to relocated?

The problem here Indigo is that I (and probably most astrologers) do not have enough practical experience of working with relocated charts to answer this......but, based upon my limited knowledge/experience, my comments are :-

1. Theory (off-topic, but needed to answer the question)

In relocated charts, only the house cusps and cardinal points change......The planets, signs and aspects stay the same....so, we take our character and behavioural issues with us no matter where we choose to live.........However, how others see/respond to those issues will be coloured by the houses through which they are projected.

Theoretically then, an unafflicted Leo sun will behave in exactly the same way no matter where it is located in the chart........but in the first house the display is filtered through Aries openness and courage, whilst in (say) the twelfth it is coloured by Pisces confusion and timidity.....So, the house location influences what others see/respond to and how the native sees/responds to their feedback/response...........1st house sun is seen as genuinely confident, making others feel comfortable : the 12th house sun perhaps as pretending to be confident, making others feel uncomfortable.......and those feelings of comfort/discomfort are fitered through the individual's Aries/Pisces window of openness/confusion on the way to influencing their inner feelings about themselves.

Thus, relocation changes the way we/our behaviour is perceived by others.....and that can change the nature of the external events which we attract to facilitate our learning.........In effect, we change what happens to us but not why.

2. Practice

The relocated chart is/becomes the natal chart, so transits should be to it rather than the latter..........(What would be the point of determing how a transit to our natal 1st house sun would cause us to behave if others see it only through our relocated 12th house filter?).......But, the validity of that assumption will remain questionable until the astrological community has gathered sufficient empirical evidence to fully support or refute it.

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Several years ago Pluto was transiting my relocated 3rd house.Seven of my close neighbors died.I thought this was pretty significant in terms of transits to relocated.Now that Pluto is in my relocated 4th I have lived in constant chaos in terms of several moves,always having stuff in boxes sitting around or in storage.Never settled or comfortable.

I think we have to be careful about attributing events to astrological placements, whether in natal or relocated charts.........These neighbours would have died regardless of where Pluto is in your chart, but it's placement in the 3rd house might make you focus upon/consider these events differently than if Pluto was in (say) fifth house......My view is that the planets do not create events, but do influence how we see and are affected by them.........So Pluto in relocated 4th might be teaching you to let go of insecurities which make you uncomfortable with chaos (or somethiing similar), but you alone are responsible for having stuff sitting around in boxes.

I also wonder if the Pluto transits seem more exaggerated for me because I am living near my Jupiter line and my Jupiter is ruled by Scorpio/Pluto.Saturn has been in my relocated 1st for the last few years and I cannot remember the last time I had some fun,it seems like work work and more work.

Yes........relocating Jupiter to a promiment position would make you more aware of the influence of it's ruler, and Saturn in 1st does make life seem like all work and no play.

....I think the longer you live somewhere the more influence it has on the chart.

Yes, I agree with that too Indigo.

EJ:smile:

[aquarius7000]

In relocated charts, only the house cusps and cardinal points change......The planets, signs and aspects stay the same..Just to stress more clearly that there would be a shift in the 4 main angles (Asc, DC, MC, IC), their aspects to the planets might also change. Again, depending on how 'angularly' the 4 angles are placed sign-wise, they might 'relocate' to other signs, too. So, from a self-assertive, impulsive, even a slightly agressive Aries Asc, the native might have a patient, stable and slow-to-anger Taurus Asc through relocation; and his way of experiencing his surroundings plus vice versa would accordingly change, too.

:)AQ7

[indigo]

What I'm trying to assess, is, for example Sat transit to the relocated as opposed to the natal.Saturn transiting the relocated 1st would play out different that Sat transit to the natal which would put it in the 2nd.
The sphere of influence is quite different.One will effect me more personally
the other money,values, possessions.The reason I started to think about the strong effect of the transits to the relocated started with my neighbors dying.I didn't give it much thought at the time,other than .......that's strange.
After the fact when I started spending more time with astrology,I realized Pluto was transiting my relocated 3rd.At that time I also ended my relationship with my sister/3rd siblings.Also when it moved into my 4th my home life has been in constant turmoil and chaos.This seemed pretty significant in terms of transits playing out in the relocated.I am convinced that there is a strong influence there, but Pluto has been the planet most noted on the other hand how does one NOT notice Pluto.I have to pay more attention to the other planets to see if I notice them playing out more in the natal or relocated.Again it may just be that living on my Jupiter line ruled by Pluto is what is making this more noticeable.I was just wondering if anyone has some hands on experience with this to either dismiss or prove my theory.