Heart problems

[Lunar Pisces]

Would anyone like a challenge? OK here's the deal:

About two months ago I started having an irregular heart beat and heart palpitations with fatigue and chest pains. It's suddenly gotten worse in the last few day, staring 3 night ago. Now my heart starts pounding and racing for no apparent reason, even in the middle of the night when I'm asleep (naturally, it wakes me up). I've been to the doctor and they think it's not anything needing immediate treatment, so they're running blood tests and I have to see a cardiologist sometime in the near future.

Anyone what to look at my chart, transits, and progressions and see what they think of this? I don't do progressions so I have no experience here. As for transits, I'm a little baffled, as nothing is jumping out at me. I'm familiar with medical astrology of a few issues, but strangel for something as general as a the heart I seem pretty clueless - either that, or it's my chart so I'm having a hard time being objective.

Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks :)

[Frisiangal]

Hi Lunar Pisces.
Heart /rhythmic problems can usually be associated with the Leo/Aquarius axis, Sun and Uranus. The 'racing' with Mars. The heart is actually a muscle, which also brings in Mars, that also has to do with the blood flow.
Your 6th house has Aquarius on the cusp, with Uranus in your 1st house opposing Chiron. Mars is in the 6th house. 1st and 6th house planets can be indicative of a predisposition towards a physical complaint.

A health problem doesn't occur overnight. It's a build up over months or even years.
Looking at the recent transits, I picked out:
Tr. Jupiter square natal Mars and inconjunct Chiron,
Tr. Uranus square MC/IC,
Tr. Neptune conjunct Mars,
Tr. Pluto separating from opposition Sun.

right now, transiting Mars has squared Uranus.

It looks as if you are, or have been under some kind of agitation, strain and stress (Uranus), possibly regarding your work/home (MC-IC axis, plus Mars), as a result of an upheaval ( Pluto opp. Sun) in the last year, which may have caused over exertion ( Jupiter) for you. It is now surfacing in physical symptons. Tr. Jupiter and tr. Neptune are both going to activate Mars again. Don't ignore the symptons but try to take it easy for a while, even if it means taking sick leave.

You may not have a heart problem YET, but the body is sending out signals. It will be interesting to see if the blood tests reveal a form of diabetes or cholesterol problems, which are part of the fixed cross physical complaints. With tr. Neptune in the 6th, you may need medication to help you.

Take care of yourself !

F.

[Lunar Pisces]

Thanks so much, Frisiangal. This was exactly what I need - another pont of view. You see, I know I have a hard time being objective about certain about my own chart. Urnaus, for example, I tend ot see as my mentor and friend, so it's hard fo rme to acknowledge the more malefic influence it can have, espeically on me with an Uranus singleton trining an difficultly placed Aqua Mars.

I find what you're saying to make a lot of sense, both with my recent experiences and with my understanding of astrology. Of course I should have looked at my 6th house - again, blinders. This is not an easy part of my chart for me to delve into. Not only in my NN, Vertex ad Mars there ruled by a 1H planet, the house is ruled by my ASC - tons of self-esteem issues are knotted up there. :?

It looks as if you are, or have been under some kind of agitation, strain and stress (Uranus), possibly regarding your work/home (MC-IC axis, plus Mars), as a result of an upheaval ( Pluto opp. Sun) in the last year, which may have caused over exertion ( Jupiter) for you. It is now surfacing in physical symptoms.


I think you're right on the monet there. I currently live with my family, which is far from ideal. I prefer living alone, and did so for many years. I'm doing this now because financially I'm bearing coping. It was a major upheavel for me to move back home - it seperated me from my friend, my then life goals, and many things I enjoyed. Now I feel like I have to struggle just to maintain a positive sense of self. It's a bad situation that I'm trying to resolve but it just isn't easy. Add to this that I have a very strained relationship with my family, a situation that is indeed an Uranian-Martian type of conflict, because issues of independence, ego adn power/dominance are involved her. The problem is especially bad with my brother, who's older and has never lived on his own. He resents me moving back home - well, he just plain resents me, for everything. Also my father's chronic ill, and is very fragile. This too is very stressful. Certianly this has factor into my health. In fact a recent episode of fatigue and chest pains was triggered by a fight with my brother. I swear at times I feel my family's killing me - even worse, I sometimes feel that's what they want (very Plutonian - this Pluto transit has been very hard on me).


You may not have a heart problem YET, but the body is sending out signals. It will be interesting to see if the blood tests reveal a form of diabetes or cholesterol problems, which are part of the fixed cross physical complaints. With tr. Neptune in the 6th, you may need medication to help you.


I certainly hope you're right. I'm living with constant anxiety that this well soon develop into a full-blown health crisis for me. I'm not insured and this is beginning to interfer with my work as is. The last time I was in teh doctor's coffice, I started crying while i was waiting for the doctor. It's pretty scary - I don't have money, I don't have a good job, I don't know what's goign on with my body, I don't have a supportive family, and I'm currently seperated from my friends who are supportive of me.

I've already been tested for diabetes, and I'm not diabetic, although I am glucose intolerent. So I've been ona low glycemic diet. My cholesterol and triglyerides are within good ranges. What I'm being tested for right now is anemia and thyroid.

The last time I was int he clinic, the doctor suggested taking beta blockers, but I wanted to wait untilt hese tests result came back. Seeing how you're pointed out to me that this likely is revolving around my 6th, this now seems like a pretty good idea. Beta blockers won't "cure" what's wrong, but ti will help minialize the symptoms. If thisis indeed something that is more a warning, this could be a reasonable course to take. I am already trying to eat well, exercise, take vitamins, and do whatever i can to kind the stress in my live to a minimal. I think you may be right that, at this time, I may need some meds to help me through a tough patch.

Again, many thanks. This has made me feel a bit more empowered about this. :D

[Lapis]

Lunar Pisces,

When transiting Saturn entered Leo I figured that some people would encounter varying physical and emotional heart 'issues'. With transiting Neptune in Aquarius (opposite all this) I also figured that many of the medical diagnosis people get will come back like yours did. Good ol' Neptune making it hard to clearly diagnose things in general.

On the energy side of things, these heart palpitations, hard poundings and irregularities and what not, have been really active again over the past month. ONLY because I've lived with this myself off and on since age 23, I've discovered over time, what much of this heart craziness is doing on other levels for us.

About 3 weeks ago I had these old familiar heart poundings and plapitations too and this was the hardest, longest and worst I've ever experienced. Like you these usually occur while I'm totally at rest and physically relaxed! Then suddenly it feels like someone hits me in the chest and my heart pounds so hard you can see the bed sheets moving with each heart beat. When this happens I try to stay as relaxed as possible and go into the event to see whats really going on. In this case, as with all of them, my Heart Chakra was getting a good blasting open and clearing out from energy.

Every time there's a huge new burst of higher energy hitting the planet, very often we'll feel it through our Heart Chakras and this is to help open us up and clear out old negative restrictive type stuck energies etc. I know its scarey feeling physically but like I said, I've lived with this for the past 30+ years and I've never had a 'heart attack'.

I don't recall what sign you are or your age either. Are you nearing your Uranus opposition (39-43)? That can also be an intense time with repeated energy blastes up the spine! Loads of exciting fun that one......

Anyway I thought I'd offer a bit about what's been going on lately energy wise and how this heart pounding business is fairly normal because of it. Also strange ringing and tones in the ears, nausea, easily winded, inability to deal with eating, difficulty sleeping and staying asleep, dizziness or a feeling of spinning, and just being extra sensitive to most everything in general.

Try not to worry and make sure you get plenty of rest and most importantly, don't hold any negative energy (emotions etc.) inside! Deal with it and get it outta there asap. The energies are right there helping us all do this anyway so let it all go. :)

[Frisiangal]

Hi again, Lunar Pisces,
Lapis was just ahead of me in time here (awake whilst we're still sleeping :) ). I couldn't agree more with all that was written, especially the last paragraph.

I dind't want to get too deeply into psychological causes in my first reply, but I'm sure you are aware that medical astrology....( which I much prefer to term *health* astrology; preventive rather than conditional! :) ) works from the assumption that physical dis-ease is psychosomatic. If you can find the transitory reasons to coincide with your physical problem, try to work out for yourself what these transits mean in terms of personal energy effecting and working you for your own benefit instead of it lying latent and working inwards to effect the body.
I was taught that the 6th house is the house of service, in the sense of employment we take on and/or making ourselves useful, but it is also the house of how we employ ourselves; how we utilise the energies that are in, and aspected to, that house to keep ourselves in good health.

I worked out your approx. birth date from the A.W. charts. As no placce/time is provided, I counted a day-for-a year to get a general idea of how things are in this period of time. Both your progressed Sun and Moon are in Cancer in the 11th house, which could account for your general vulnerability and passiveness at the changes that have taken place. The positive side is that your natal Sun does not make any aspects that should give you *immediate* cause to worry. Possibly the Moon's strong imagination and memory bank in Cancer is working overtime :wink: BUT, in a few years your Natal Sun is going to semi-square natal Ascendant. Semi-squares have associations with physical complaints and the Ascendant with one's physical condition. I know from experience what such can do, if not forewarned, having a Virgo Ascendant myself :wink: .How you act and react in the next few years is going to have an impact on your general health.

Lapis insightfully mentioned the effect of Saturn in Leo. Is it possible that you failed to accept the 'end of things' situation it presented when in Cancer and conjoining your progressed Sun ? The loss of personal responsibility towards yourself, others, friends? Your need of dependency at this particular stage of your life? This could, indeed, act as a heavy stone in your heart if you are unable to accept that things must end in order for change to take place. Maybe looking at the reasons why it was necessary and occured can help clear any misgivings that may be effecting you.

Let us know the outcome of the blood tests. Fingers crossed for you.

F.

[Lunar Pisces]

I was told my tests were normal. There's a couple of odd things about my blood count, and I'm taking supplements that could have easily skewed the results, but the doctor didn't think any of that mattered. There was a number of things the doctor seemed to think didn't matter (chest pains, fatigue, erratic blood pressure, trouble sleeping, weight gain), and I got a pretty strong "you're making too much out of this" vibe from her. I managed to get a RX for a beta blockers which seem to be helping with the symptoms, but I still don't have an actual prognosis.

So that's where I'm am right now. If things get worse, I won't go back to that doctor.

Lapis insightfully mentioned the effect of Saturn in Leo. Is it possible that you failed to accept the 'end of things' situation it presented when in Cancer and conjoining your progressed Sun ? The loss of personal responsibility towards yourself, others, friends? Your need of dependency at this particular stage of your life? This could, indeed, act as a heavy stone in your heart if you are unable to accept that things must end in order for change to take place. Maybe looking at the reasons why it was necessary and occured can help clear any misgivings that may be effecting you.

I won't disagree that there something like this going except. Except had you read my above post, you'd know things aren't that simple. I'm not exagarrating my poor relationship with my family, and certainly not to excuse myself. I moved home hoping and willing to recieve support and help from my family. In turn they have resented me, excluded me from much of the family dynamic, and have dropped many, not so subtle hints that they don't want me here. On top of that, any progress, regardless how small, I make is greeted with hostility - on one hand they want me gone and out of their hair,a nd ont eh other, they don't want me to succeed.

But I'm stuck now for the time being, as I've lost some much in terms of my own finances. Yes I feel I need to rely on someone else right now, but the only people I have are my family. And the longer I'm dependant on them, the worse my relationship with them grows. So I am compelled to accept that this need will have to go partly unfilfulled as I do whatever I can to pull myself up by my bootstraps.I can only hope that either things change for me soon, and that somewhere down teh line I get help from another, more benevolent source.

[Somniac]

Hi
I'm afraid I am not qualified to give Astrological advice or opinions but I might be able to help in another way. The symptoms you describe are very like the ones I had about 10 years ago. Like you, the doc's were remarkably unhelpful. I got the "you're making too much of this" lark too.
What you MUST do is insist on an appointment with a cardiologist. Mine turned out to be Atrial Fibrillation. The top chambers not beating properly. Sounds bad but it evens out reasonably with the right treatment. There are also corrective procedures for it but first you must establish what it is. You must ask for a Holter monitor, (a gizmo you wear for 48hours or so, no sweat) so they can see what's happening. INSIST! I put up with mine for months before I got anything done.

[Wildtiger]

Heart problems emotions, or cardiovascular disease?
Research indicates, that the sun is usually in the fixed signs,
and there has to be a mid-point between Sun-Neptune, or Sun-Uranus or Sun-Uranus-Neptune.
Also, if you were born at the hight-sunspot-cycle, this can lead to myocardial infarction.
what month of the year were you born?
What is your birth day, time, and place?
Wildtiger

[Liatris]

OK - I have been dealing with arrythmias, palpitations etc for years and have done a lot of research and can tell you that the following REALLY MATTERS ! Dr. Hans Nieper's cardiac protocol (and others as well) : You can search the following to see that there are studies that back all of this up. None of it is not already found in the body and essential. Deficiency symptoms WILL show up if you lack these.

Magnesium (especially mag orotate which is heart specific) - prevents arrythmias, angina, keeps blood vessels from spasming. Magnesium orotate - take 8 (35mg elemental mag each)in the morning (as far away from calcium as possible) Taking calcium at night is best. NOTE - For magnesium levels to show up as low in the blood means that they are REALLY LOW :eek: . Tissue levels become very low before it shows up as low in the blood. Any involuntary muscle twitching is a sign of magnesium deficiency. But you need not experience them to be low in it.

L-Carnitine -1 gram a day.

Coenzyme Q10 - 100 mg three times a day. Delivery forms for optimal absorption are much better than the plain type.

Fish Oils that are high in EPA and DHA. The bottle MUST state that it's contents have been found to be free of toxic heavy metals including mercury OR it WILL be loaded with them :eek: . Take 1-2 Tablespoons a day.

Selenium - 100-200 mcg each day.

If you take zinc you must take copper or you will develop heart problems.Take the RDA of each.

There are other things you could take but these are the basics. You should feel the difference in under a week .