Will Prince Charles Succeed Elizabeth II to the Throne?

[Draco]

Hi all,

In this horary, I asked the question, 'Will Prince Charles Succeed his Mother to the Throne?'.

The answer to this this question might seem like an obvious 'yes', as Charles is the heir, but it may not be that simple. There has been a lot of speculation that Charles may be happy being the Prince of Wales, and when the time comes for him to ascend to the throne, he may simply pass the title onto his son, William.

Charles has also been subject to quite a bit of scandal over the years, particularly involving his relationships with Diana and Camilla Parker-Bowles. The British public have never quite forgiven him for his affair with Camilla, given that British affections, and indeed the affections of the whole world, were very much with Diana. The public's opinion of Camilla is reflected in the fact that when Camilla married Charles, she was not allowed to then officially become the Princess of Wales, lest the public should become outraged, she has instead been given the title of 'Royal Consort', which is hardly flattering.

William is a great deal more popular with the people, so this may be one reason that it might be decided that he should take a short-cut to the throne.

The answer to this question also is not an obvious 'yes', because, after all, you never know what is going to happen. Charles could for some reason or another meet his end before the death of the queen.

The reason I find this chart so interesting is because in the chart, the reigning monarch is shown by the MC, and of course, Charles, the heir to the throne and the Crown Prince, would then be shown as the 5th from the MC as the queen's son and heir. This brings us to the 2nd cusp. What is of interest is that if we count the 10th from the 2nd, to represent Charles future destiny and ascendancy to the throne, this brings us to the 11th cusp, which happens to be exactly conjunct Regulus, the king star!

Of course, this does not mean that Charles will definately ascend to the throne after his mother, it may simply be descriptive of the nature of the issue in question, but surely it is very interesting that such a star should be in such a place in the chart.

Will Charles ascend to the throne, what do you think?

I provide this chart for your perusal:

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/835/acharti3ffileg6dmjdu1117991294.gif (http://imageshack.us)

Remember the exact conjunction of the 11th cusp to Regulus at Leo 29, this cusp is sextile Mars, Charles significator.

Draco :wink:

[Summery Joy]

How about trying to find an aspect between Charles' significator and the ruler of the turned 10th from the 10th (the next monarch)? The turned 10th from the 10th is the radical 7th ruled by Mars. The last aspect the Moon makes before leaving it's sign is an opposition with Mars. A very difficult yes, isn't it?

Also, the 10th from the 10th and the 5th from the 10th sharing the same ruler may symbolize that the son of the monarch and the next monarch are actually one and the same.

Maybe Charles will in fact succeed his mother, but there will be a great deal of opposition.

[Draco]

Sorehearted, you're right.

If we count the tenth from the tenth to show the next monarch, then the fact that this brings us to the same planet as Charles' own significator, show's the next monarch and Charles being one and the same.

This observation combined with my own, of counting the tenth from the second to show the monarch's son's destiny, and this cusp being on Regulus and it's ruler being the Sun, natural ruler of king's, gives us a double confirmation of Charles' ascendancy to the throne.

Thanks for the insight.

As for timing, when do you think that this could take place?

How about measuring the distance in degree's between Mars and the MC? The distance is about 25 degrees, so this could be 25 months or 25 years, so I thought maybe round about May 2008, or Spring/Summer 2031.

Any ideas for timing?

[Summery Joy]

Long live the Queen, but do you think she'll live until 2031?

[Draco]

If the Queen was to die in 2031, then that would make her 105 at death, which may seem improbably old, but her mother lived to the age of 102, so it may not be so improbable. Royals don't exactly suffer much hardship and have the best medical care, so great longevity would not be suprising, and given her mother's long life, she may well indeed exceed her centenary.

I doubt she would die in 2008, and it is unlikely that she would step down to allow Charles to ascend, so it may be 2031, but it all depends on whether I am timing this most appropriately or not.

Do you think that timing this by counting the degree's between Mars and the MC is the best timing method, or could there be a better way?

Interestingly there are just short of 24 and a half degree's between Mars and the square aspect of the Sun in Cancer, and the Sun, natural significator of king's, and significator of Charle's destiny would also give us a timing for his ascendancy. If 24 and a half degree's is 24 and a half year's from the time of the question being asked in April, then this takes us to about October 2030.

Do you have any other ideas for timing?

[Andonis]

Hi, I also think Charles is represented as the son of the monarch, ie the 5th of the 10th which is the 2nd house ruler MARS in the 9th house. The question is if he is going to get the job of the monarch, ie 10th house from second, which is the 11th house just in LEO and significator the SUN. The relation between SUN and MARS is sextile, which is positive for him. Interestingly the public, represented by the MOON is nearly trine with MARS and this indicates that when this happens then he will get the job.
Moon trine with MARS in roughly 15 degrees.Moon in cardinal sign and cadent house, so time in months. Ie 15 months or so….get ready for fireworks in Hyde Park and the Thames.