Champions Leaugue 2006- finale

[fensi88]

Here is the chart:
http://mychart.astrologyweekly.com/files/17520061845482.gif (http://mychart.astrologyweekly.com)

First, we must determine "who is who", because match is on neutral stadium. Ruler of the ASC is Ma at 19Can49. I think this is Arsenal, Sco Ma is associated with dark red, Can is associated with white, that are the colours of sports gear for Arsenal.

Ruler of DSC is Ve at 16Ar23. Ve is associated with blue color, Ar with red color, and that are the colors of Barcelona.

So, ruler of Arsenal is Ma.
Ruler of Barcelona is Ve.

Ve is peregrine (without power) and in detriment - Mars sign.
Mars is in fall but in own triplicity. Planet strenght for Ve=2 for Ma=10!

Ma is in 8H in conjuct with fix star Castor. It's nature is unfortunate. Do not know how to explain this. Some injures?

In 7H, house which represents Barselona, we have two planets Me and Su(main dispositor of Ve), both peregrine in conjuct with fix star Algol, which is "evil one". So, these planets do not support Barcelona.

From all above, it is not quite clear, but it seams that Arsenal has priority over Barcelona.

To be sure, we have some another methods to see if this is true.

Transit Moon (on match day) will be in square with natal Moon of Rajkard, coach of Barcelona. That means he will not be happy, Barcelona will loose.

Transit Moon will conjuct Wenger's (coach of Arsenal) natal Ju, this is a sign of good fortune.

By Chinese astrology, Arsenal is founded in year of "dog". (1 Dec,1886). This year, 2006 is year of "dog" and it is very important and supporting for all that are born in one of "dog" years.

Barcelona is founded 29.Nov.1899 in year of "pig", and for "pig", year of "dog" is very frustrating year.


I think Arsenal will be winner. Does someone means different?

[aquirata]

Interesting analysis, Goca!

I use a different approach, somewhat similar to what's described on your website. The chart is set to the kick-off at the place of the match. Favourite is assigned the Asc and underdog the Des, but the rules are not horary. I simply look at the 'health' (cosmic state) of each significator and other points such as the Moon, Part of Fortune, etc.

In this particular case, Barcelona is the favourite and belongs to the Scorpio Asc, Arsenal the underdog and Taurus Des. If we use modern rulers, Barcelona is represented by Pluto, Arsenal by Venus. The former is much stronger by aspects received. Further support for Barcelona is provided by 5th house ruler Mars, even stronger than Pluto. However, Part of Fortune is badly aspected and her antiscion is in the 7th house. These factors seem to balance out, so the game looks drawish to me.

If we take a look at 2 hours down the road (i.e. in extension time, presuming a draw for the first 90 minutes), we see that the Asc and Des rulers change to Jupiter and Mercury, respectively, and that the latter is much the stronger. Fortunately for Barcelona, however, Fortuna increases in strength dramatically, which tips the scales in their favour.

Looking separately at the second half (1 hour after kick-off) when the Asc-Des angle just makes the transition to Sag-Gem: Mercury is very strong and the antiscion of Fortuna still weak in the 7th, definitely favouring Arsenal.

All in all, it looks to me that a drawn first half is indicated, after which Arsenal may get the upper hand. However, if they fail to realise their chances during normal time, Barcelona will win in overtime or on penalty kicks (whatever the rules are).

Cheers,
Peter

[fensi88]

Hello Peter!
This is for the first time that I see separate prediction for first and second half of match, so your analysis is very interesting to me, too! I can not wait to see match!

[aquirata]

Hi Goca,
Me too, I can't wait to see how this pans out in the actual match. In theory, one should be able to predict right down to the minute provided one draws up a chart for every minute. So the 1st half - 2nd half charts should work, too.
Peter

[fensi88]

Do you perhaps know something about timing of goals?

[aquirata]

Goca,

I haven't researched the timings of the goals, but would suspect they'd be lined up with transits to natal charts of players or coaches. Will look at this in due course, too.

[fensi88]

I found one article on web (unfortunately in Serbian) in which author suggest to count the number of degrees from ASC or from 1st planet from ASC for home team(regardles house), or from DSC or first planet from DSC for visiting team , in counterclock wise direction and whenever you hit some another planet or house cusp it is possible time for score. Author said houses from 1-7 are for home team, anothers are for visiting team. I check this out and get better result for first half of match (almost exactly!) but for secound half I have evasion for about 6-9 min although I count pause + add time.

[aquirata]

Goca,

Can you post an example so we could examine in detail what the method is all about?

Thanks,

[fensi88]

This is example:
data:4 Apr. 2004, Belgrade, 20e29, 44n48 gmt+2, 17h

http://www.geocities.com/astrosport88/Parsar4.jpg

match finished with 1:0, goal scored in 60min.

If we start to count from Moon (first planet from ASC) first we arrive to 2nd house cusp and that si about 12 degrees (12min), first possible time for goal, and then go to 3rd house cusp that is 39 degrees, second possible time for goal, then arrive to 4house cusp that is 76 degree(min), from 4 Lib to 20 Sag = 76 degrees. Goal scored in 60min, that means 45 first half + 15 pause +1 add time. That's it.

[aquirata]

OK, I see what you're doing - thanks for posting. My first feeling is that this seems like coincidence. There are several problems with the method:

1. The cusps advance 1 degree every 4 minutes on the average. Why would 1 degree = 1 minute?
2. Moving the first planet below the horizon to the cusps are purely symbolic, no actual connection to the sky exists.
3. The method calls for moving the Asc OR the first planet below PLUS allows for goals on every cusp (scoring is not required on every connection, just a possibility). This will get you close to any scoring pattern with a bit of an allowance.

If we actually take a look at what happens in the sky when the goal was scored, we will get a better indication in my opinion. The goal occurred at approximately 6:15 pm. Advance the chart for that time and notice that (using Placidus cusps):

1. Moon is conjunct Asc (exact)
2. Jupiter is conjunct 12th cusp (exact)
3. Saturn is on MC (almost perfect)
4. Mercury is conjunct 8th cusp (almost perfect)

Why are these connections important? Because Moon is general indicator for public mood, Jupiter is ruler of IC and Des, Mercury is ruler of Asc and MC, and Saturn is ruler of the 5th house (sporting events) - all in the original event chart. You can be sure that something significant will happen at around 6:15 pm, affecting the public, the two teams and the result. Most likely a goal. And this is the first and last time these significators cross angles or cusps, hence the final result.

You will no doubt ask now whether it's possible to tell who scores that goal? My guess from the above is that:

1. The public is rising
2. The underdog is buried
3. The game unfolds the right way (top)
4. The favourite is dead

That's 3-1 in favour of the favourite, so my guess is that Partizan was the favourite team. Am I right?

[aquirata]

OK, I see what you're doing - thanks for posting. My first feeling is that this seems like coincidence. There are several problems with the method:

1. The cusps advance 1 degree every 4 minutes on the average. Why would 1 degree = 1 minute?
2. Moving the first planet below the horizon to the cusps are purely symbolic, no actual connection to the sky exists.
3. The method calls for moving the Asc OR the first planet below PLUS allows for goals on every cusp (scoring is not required on every connection, just a possibility). This will get you close to any scoring pattern with a bit of an allowance.

If we actually take a look at what happens in the sky when the goal was scored, we will get a better indication in my opinion. The goal occurred at approximately 6:15 pm. Advance the chart for that time and notice that (using Placidus cusps):

1. Moon is conjunct Asc (exact)
2. Jupiter is conjunct 12th cusp (exact)
3. Saturn is on MC (almost perfect)
4. Mercury is conjunct 8th cusp (almost perfect)

Why are these connections important? Because Moon is general indicator for public mood, Jupiter is ruler of IC and Des, Mercury is ruler of Asc and MC, and Saturn is ruler of the 5th house (sporting events) - all in the original event chart. You can be sure that something significant will happen at around 6:15 pm, affecting the public, the two teams and the result. Most likely a goal. And this is the first and last time these significators cross angles or cusps, hence the final result.

You will no doubt ask now whether it's possible to tell who scores that goal? My guess from the above is that:

1. The public is rising
2. The underdog is buried
3. The game unfolds the right way (top)
4. The favourite is dead

That's 3-1 in favour of the favourite, so my guess is that Partizan was the favourite team. Am I right?

[aquirata]

[duplicate post - edited]

[fensi88]

Excellent analysis! Yes, Partizan was favourite team!
The most hard part is how to spot that moment in advance? But after some research maybe I will "cahch" the pattern.

[aquirata]

The only way is to analyze past games so after a while you notice the same pattern emerging. Obviously it's a lot more difficult to see this ahead of time, but with hard work nothing is impossible.

[fensi88]

If we actually take a look at what happens in the sky when the goal was scored...

Thanks for this idea! I have a lot of past charts so I will have a lot of (interesting) job!

[fensi88]

Peter, your analysis of time when goal scored, inspire me to enquire this fenomena. So I worked on it for this finale match of Champions Leaugue 2006- finale. I look when rulers of angles change houses and when axis ASC/DSC or MC/IC change signs. So I come to this result:
Goals will be scored at 31min, 40min, 51min of match (not real time) and if it will be overtime at near the end of it! If this will be OK I will explain how I came to this result.

[aquirata]

Goca,

Yes, please go ahead and expand your analysis. Should make for a fascinating conversation here!

[fensi88]

Goals will be scored at 31min, 40min, 51min of match (not real time) and if it will be overtime at near the end of it!
Infact, because I have 3 times for goals that means there will be no overtime(if it will be 4time then there will be possibility, but 3 times no).
ASC-19SCo
DSC-19Ta
MC=7Vi
IC7Pi

Rulers, Ma, Ve, Me, Ju

In my country match start at 8:45h
at 9:16 (real time)Me change house, ingress in 6H form7H
at 9:25 Ve ingress in 4h(from5)
at 9:40 ASC/DSC change signs
9:53 Ju ingress in 11H(from12)
11:04 Me ingress in 5H(from6)

So if you subtract 15 min pause +2min add time you got that times wich I post in previous post. It will be nice if you can explain who will (team ASC or DSC) score goals as you explain in my example post (partizan/sartid). I do not know how to use this data to come to that result

[aquirata]

Goca,

The angles are slightly different in the chart that I set up:

[wrong date was used for this list - edited]

[fensi88]

I used Regiomontanus.
ASC=19SCo53
MC=7Vi13

I look only for change that are in connect with rulers of angles and axis for the chart for start. As I see you look for change for every planet. At 9:40 ASC/DSC axis change but unfortunatelu that "drops" in pause time.
So I have Regiomontanus times you have Placidus times, nice, will see what works better!

[aquirata]

Here is an updated list, including Regiomontanus cusps:

[wrong date was used for this list - edited]

[fensi88]

Peter,
Your data:

REGIOMONTANUS
8:52 - Jup/11th (-)
9:03 - Mar/IC (----)
9:23 - Plu/2nd (+)
9:36 - Mer/6th (-)
10:29 - Ven/Des (----)
10:43 - Jup/MC (++)
11:14 - Mer/5th (+), Mar/3rd

Something is wrong.

My data for these times:

REGIOMONTANUS
8:52 - Jup/11th (but it was there, no change)
9:03 - Mar/IC ( Ma in 8H, it was there, no change)
9:23 - Plu/2nd (Pl in 2H, it was there, no change)
9:36 - Mer/6th (yes, but it is in 6H from 9:16)
10:29 - Ven/Des (no, Ve in 4H)
10:43 - Jup/MC (no, Ju in 11H)
11:14 - Mer/5th (+), Mar/3rd (Me in 5H, Ma in 7H!!)

So, please chack this out, I use this data for kick-off:


17 May 2006
8:45PM gmt+2
Stade de France: 2e21, 48n55 and I got ASC=19SCo53
MC=7vi13 5H=7Ar47

I can not believe that our programs are so different. If you find mistake please do the same thing with "+" and "-", and ofcourse for Placidus houses too. Thanks.

[aquirata]

Goca,

You're right, I got it completely wrong... :oops: I have 2005 for the year, that's why the house cusps are similar but planet positions are different. Will recalculate and re-post. Thanks again for checking and catching the error!

[fensi88]

OK, no problem it depends of program that you use, for example my program always start with date for the day I switch it on. And when I input some wrong data for some chart and go back to correct only that data, it delates all data I input, desplay the day it is, so I must input data for chart from the start again. That drives me crazy! So, maybe your program keeps the last input data?
One more question: J.Frawley decides to put favourite team on ASC upon bet forecast. Did you do the same when you choose Barcelona as favourite?

[aquirata]

I use Solar Fire, and it leaves the data for the last chart in the input dialog even when casting a new chart. This is a great time saver in many cases but also leads to errors as we can see.
J.Frawley decides to put favourite team on ASC upon bet forecast. Did you do the same when you choose Barcelona as favourite?
Yes, Barcelona is quoted at 1/2, Arsenal at 7/4, so the former is the clear favourite. I'm not entirely convinced of the validity of looking at an event chart and assigning the Asc to the favourite (or the home team). Better results may be obtained by using team (or manager's, coach's, key players') charts in conjunction with the event.

[aquirata]

OK, here is the list of transitions - hopefully I can get the date and everything else right :)

Arsenal vs Barcelona
Champions League Final
17May2006
8:45 PM (CEDT -2:00)
Paris, France (48°N52',002°E20')

PRICES
Arsenal 4.40
The Draw 3.35
Barcelona 2.08 (favourite)

Asc: 19Sco54 (Mar, Plu)
MC: 7Vir12 (Mer)
Des: 19Tau54 (Ven)
IC: 7Pis12 (Jup, Nep)

PLACIDUS HOUSES
5th: 8Ari46

TIME PLANET CUSP
21:12 Ura IC
21:12 Plu 2nd
21:14 Sat 9th
21:16 Mer Des
21:20 Ven 5th
21:23 Sun Des
21:39 Jup 12th
22:02 Nep 3rd
22:20 Nod MC/IC
22:45 Mer 6th
22:49 Mar 8th
22:51 Sun 6th
23:04 Mon 2nd
23:10 Ven IC
23:14 Jup 11th
23:21 Ura 3rd
23:44 Sat 8th

TIME CUSP SIGN
21:40 Asc Sag (Jup)
21:40 Des Gem (Mer)
22:10 MC Lib (Ven)
22:10 IC Ari (Mar)
22:19 5th Tau (Ven)

SIGNIFICANT TIMES (+ supports favourite, - underdog)
21:16 Plu/2nd (++), Mer/Des (----), Ven/5th (--)
21:39 Jup/12th (++)
21:40 Jup/12th (++--)
22:02 Nep/3rd (++)
22:47 Mer/6th (++), Mar/8th (--)
23:12 Ven/IC (------), Jup/11th (++)

Looks like Arsenal has an opportunity to score around the 31st minute (21:16). Nothing else seems to transpire during regular time, but Arsenal again looks to score in overtime around 23:12 (should it come to that). Barcelona doesn't appear to have good chances apart from a minor indication around the 62nd minute (22:02; the other opportunity at 21:39 occurs during the half-time break). All times are +-6 minutes.

[aquirata]

The same using Regiomontanus houses:

REGIOMONTANUS HOUSES
5th: 7Ari46 (Mar)

TIME PLANET CUSP
21:12 Ura IC
21:16 Mer Des
21:23 Sun Des
21:25 Ven 5th
21:28 Sat 9th
21:35 Plu 2nd
21:53 Jup 12th
22:14 Nep 3rd
22:20 Nod MC/IC
23:03 Mer 6th
23:10 Mar 8th
23:10 Sun 6th
23:10 Ven IC
23:25 Mon 2nd
23:26 Jup 11th
23:26 Ura 3rd

TIME CUSP SIGN
22:28 5th Tau

SIGNIFICANT TIMES
21:21 Mer/Des (----), Ven/5th (--)
21:30 Ven/5th (--), Plu/2nd (++)
21:53 Jup/12th (++--)
22:09 Nep/3rd (++)
23:09 Mer/6th (++), Mar/8th (--), Ven/IC (------)
23:26 Jup/11th (++)

The conclusion is similar to the above: Arsenal to score around the 36th minute and around 23:09 (overtime). Barcelona's only opportunity occurs around the 69th minute.

[fensi88]

Peter, thank you so much! I believe in this method! I got the same results! Still 90min to kickoff!

[aquirata]

It's reassuring to know that we got the same results - thanks for letting me know.

Other times to watch out for is when the Sun, Moon and the Nodes cross cusps (21:23 Sun/Des, 22:20 Nod/IC, 22:51-23:10 Sun/6th, 23:04-23:25 Mon/2nd). I would guess that all support the underdog (Arsenal) except for the last one. We'll just have to wait and see! :)

[fensi88]

Peter,
CONGRATULATIONS!
Your first analysis was correct! Barcelona win 2:1!!
When I saw Arsenal in yellow sports gear my color theory fall! That was first surprise, and then sending goalkeeper out was second unpleasant surprise. Now I know what means that fix star Castor!
Considerin timing of goals, congratulations again! There are no misteries at all!
Goals were scored at 21:23, 22:24 and 22:28

Your results
Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 4:17 pm Post subject:

REGIOMONTANUS HOUSES
5th: 7Ari46 (Mar)

TIME PLANET CUSP
21:12 Ura IC
21:16 Mer Des
21:23 Sun Des
21:25 Ven 5th
21:28 Sat 9th
21:35 Plu 2nd
21:53 Jup 12th
22:14 Nep 3rd
22:20 Nod MC/IC
23:03 Mer 6th
23:10 Mar 8th
23:10 Sun 6th
23:10 Ven IC
23:25 Mon 2nd
23:26 Jup 11th
23:26 Ura 3rd

TIME CUSP SIGN
22:28 5th Tau


Excelent, really! I did not notice this time when 5H change sign and I query at one moment on this method, but then I saw in your post and surprised again, but this time pleasant! Your method is fantastic!

[aquirata]

Thanks for your support and enthusiasm, Goca!

Let's take a look at what happened, and try to relate that to the list of transitions. By definition, transitions must take place at or a few (2-6) minutes before the exact time of the event. I will also allow 1 minute for uncertainty in recording times and rounding errors.

PLACIDUS
MIN (TIME) TEAM : EVENT = TIME PLANET CUSP
18 (21:04) Arsenal : Red card = ?
22 (21:08) Arsenal : Yellow card = ?
37 (21:23) Arsenal : Goal (0-1) = 21:16 Mer Des, 21:20 Ven 5th, 21:23 Sun Des
51 (21:59) Arsenal : Yellow card = 21:39 Jup 12th, 21:40 Asc Sag, 21:40 Des Gem
69 (22:17) Barcelona : Yellow card = 22:10 MC Lib, 22:10 IC Ari
76 (22:24) Barcelona : Goal (1-1) = 22:19 5th Tau, 22:20 Nod IC
80 (22:28) Barcelona : Goal (2-1) = 22:20 Nod IC
90 (22:38) Barcelona : Yellow card = ?

REGIOMONTANUS
MIN (TIME) TEAM : EVENT = TIME PLANET CUSP
18 (21:04) Arsenal : Red card = ?
22 (21:08) Arsenal : Yellow card = ?
37 (21:23) Arsenal : Goal (0-1) = 21:16 Mer Des, 21:23 Sun Des
51 (21:59) Arsenal : Yellow card = 21:40 Asc Sag, 21:40 Des Gem, 21:53 Jup 12th
69 (22:17) Barcelona : Yellow card = 22:10 MC Lib, 22:10 IC Ari, 22:14 Nep 3rd
76 (22:24) Barcelona : Goal (1-1) = 22:20 Nod IC
80 (22:28) Barcelona : Goal (2-1) = 22:28 5th Tau
90 (22:38) Barcelona : Yellow card = ?

If we accept the hypothesis that the favourite belongs to the Asc/MC, and the underdog to the Des/IC, then - from the perspective of the favourite - the 2nd (ssx), 6th (Mar), 8th (qcx) and 12th (Sat) houses are definitely unfortunate, while the 1st (Asc), 3rd (Mon), 5th (Ven), 9th (Sun), 10th (MC) and 11th (Jup) are fortunate (aspects to Asc, planetary joys and angles are indicated in brackets). The 4th (IC) and 7th (Des) should be neutral because, while they are angular, they also belong to the opponent. It follows that, when the ruler of Asc or MC transitions to fortunate houses, the favourite will gain support, and vice versa. From the perspective of the underdog, the 7th, 9th, 11th, 3rd, 4th and 5th houses should be fortunate; the 8th, 12th, 2nd and 6th houses unfortunate; the rest neutral.

Now let's see what transpired in light of the above. Arsenal (the underdog) scored shortly after Mer (MC ruler) and the Sun moved into the 6th house, which also coincided with Ven (Des ruler) moving into the 4th house (Placidus). This is entirely in line with our interpretation: all three factors supported the underdog. Barcelona's two goals were scored when the Nod moved into the 3rd house and the 5th house cusp made its ingress into Tau. The latter is significant because the MC was in Lib by that time, so, with the 5th in Tau, Ven connected the favourite to the outcome of the game. It was positioned in the 4th house at the time, which is neutral to the favourite.

The sign-changes by the angles all supported the favourite during the second half: new Asc ruler Jup was in the 11th (for) and Des ruler Mer in the 6th (unf) for most part of the second half. Also, new MC ruler Ven was in the 4th (neu) and IC ruler Mar in the 8th (unf) until the end. Contrast that to original Asc ruler Mar (8th - unf) and MC ruler Mer (6th from 21:16 - unf). The fortunes of the underdog were mixed in the first half: IC ruler Jup in 12th (unf), Des ruler Ven in 5th (for) - hence the goal but also a red card.

All is well so far. I will not go into an analysis of yellow and red cards as they don't seem to be indicated from the transits so well. However, what about other transitions? For Placidus cusps, the Jup ingress into the 11th happened during the half-time break, and the rest was after the game ended. The transcendental planets didn't seem to make a difference. For Regiomontanus: Ven into 4th came 2 minutes after the Arsenal goal (this is probably insignificant because both the 4th and 5th houses are fortunate for the underdog); Jup's transition to the 11th supported both teams at the time (both Asc and IC ruler for 30 minutes); and Barcelona's two goals can be better explained by the timing of the Nod and 5th cusp ingresses.

The timing of the red card remains a mystery for me. One thing that happened right about that time is that Ceres made a perfect square to the Asc/Des axis at 21:06. There are two reasons why this may be significant: 1) Cer may be the modern ruler of Vir, and 2) both the favourite and the underdog were unfortunate by having a goal disallowed and receiving a red card, respectively.

All in all, a very good agreement with what happened in the game. This approach also shows that there are no easy roads to riches here: while all major events were shown by the transit chart, one needs to get down to the details to extract meaning from current planetary pictures. Nevertheless, I think we can agree that this method shows a lot of promise.

[fensi88]

Peter, thank you so much for this detailed analysis! I need so much this explanation! I print the charts for all goals and tomorow I will print this your explanation and once again I will read it and look at charts! This is pefect method - all fits! Just few months ago I would be happy to know when goals will be scored, but now, thankfull to you I can even know who will score and exactly when! This method resolves all my problems!

By definition, transitions must take place at or a few (2-6) minutes before the exact time of the event.

I did not know this, I thought it must be exact.

[aquirata]

I haven't looked at this problem before, so it is a learning experience for me, too. That's one of the reasons I wanted to spell out everything in detail. I'm glad you're finding the analysis useful.

Regarding the time delay, the reason for this is that the planets need to get away from the influence of the cusp. Let's say a planet is crossing the Asc, i.e. from the 1st to the 12th house. Since the 1st is a favourable house for the favourite, this positive influence will still be in effect as long as the planet is less than 1 degree away from the Asc even though it is already in the 12th house (which is an unfortunate place). It is possible that the new (negative) effect will be immediate, but I think an allowance of 2-6 minutes (equivalent to 1 degree of movement) plus 1 minute for errors would be advisable (i.e. up to 3-7 minutes).

[fensi88]

Now, I understand. Thank you.

[Amit89]

Barcalona won 2-1, Aresenal took the lead but with 1 man down, then Barcalona scored 2 late goals in quick succesion I think in a space of 8 minutes, Henry had a good chance to make it 2-0 to arsenal later in the second half.

Reading the 1st post of this thread, I also thought Arsenal would win, not evreyones is right in sports astrology, but still a good prediction.

[aquirata]

I print the charts for all goals and tomorow I will print this your explanation and once again I will read it and look at charts!
Goca,

Have you had a chance to take a closer look at this?

[fensi88]

Peter, your explanations for each goal were perfect so I have nothing to add. I look only for rulers and its changing house, as ASC/DSC and MC/IC, but it seams that is important when 5/11 house change sign (as you notice in this example).I look in some past charts and your method works perfect. In some past charts for one of the goals there are no another change except 5/11 house sign. Also I noticed that when Moon or Sun change house also maybe time for goal, althought they are not rulers of radical chart.

[aquirata]

OK thanks. All that remains then is to do sufficient number of games to satisfy ourselves that the changes brought on by the factors have a one-to-one correspondence to each goal.

[fensi88]

Yes, I plan to check out this method on next matches. Today I will post new thread "timing of goals" so we can change aur results for next matches!