Am I Amenhotep and he Nefertiti?

[Nef]

A psychic told me my friend is Nefertiti and I am Amenhotep.
What do you see from this chart?
http://www.publicupload.com/files/amenhotep.jpg (http://www.publicupload.com)

[Radu]

Hi

First, we need your location for a chart. The time is for the moment you sent your message 2:49 am GMT.

However I'd like to know some more details: what do you feel about this, if your friend was Nefertiti, and you Amenhotep, why did you choose the nickname "Nef" and not "Ame" :)

Anyway, as a general rule, we (read "the ego") would like to know that we were some celebrity from the past, nobody wants to know about a previous life as a peasant or a slave in ancient Egypt, with no significative events, yet most of us had such lives. One more personal curiosity: what will you do with this information /presuming that the horary chart supports your pharaonic past life/. Will it change your life for the better or for the worse?

[Nef]

I didn't put my location because I wanted to verify what the psychic said.
I chose Nef because I don't believe I was Ame.
I prefer anonymity because I do not believe it and want verification.
I won't do anything.
It will change my views on psychics.

[Radu]

In order for an astrology chart to be erected one needs a date/time AND a location. Unless you provide the location where you were when you sent your message, we cannot help by means of astrology.

[Nef]

I am sorry but I cannot disclose my location. My friend helped me to erect the chart and she is from another country.
Judging from your response, the psychic might be accurate, so that is how I shall take it.

[Applause]

... who said we were those same people in a past life, too.. certain. How do you "tell" from a chart, those things? I can supply any info
I bet many people feel they had that ancient sacred relationship. It's powerful.

[Radu]

Hi again

A few ideas based on the chart you provided:

The 12th house (past life) cusp in Taurus (related to ancient Egypt), Venus - Taurus ruler - exalted in Pisces - represents the alleged past life position as pharaoh of Egypt.

Another link to that geographical area is the degree on the IC (4th house cusp=source,origins) - Virgo 19 - which was very proeminent in most of the horary questions asked by our Egyptian friend, as shown her last horary, Attacks against Churches in Egypt (http://astrologyweekly.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1645).

So, one thing I could say for sure about this chart is that it clearly depicts the question.

Mercury, the ASC ruler, (represents you) is separating from a trine with Saturn (9th and 8th house ruler, the psychic), but without reception. That could be an indication that the information is pretty good, at least that there was a connection between you and the psychic. I'm not sure if this stands as an indication that you were Amenhotep or it was just a past life in Egypt or whatever.

There might be more information available in this chart but I cannot glean it right now.

Edit: as I searched the web, I found out that there were several Amehoteps in the 18th Dynasty. I'd suggest you go to Egypt and research further there, see how it feels.

[Nef]

I do not think it is true anyway. Many people claim to be such royals, and if this chart were true, it still does not prove anything.

It would be nice for a speculation of the chart as I have already posted it plainly. Even if my friend was Nefertiti, it will not change a thing.

Therefore, I apologize for not disclosing a location. Privacy is important especially for something as huge as this.

Also, please note that the chart can be erected but not necessarily one that is asked by me.

Thank you for your kind help.

[blumen]

I prefer anonymity because I do not believe it and want verification

This is ok, but if you want this kind of verification then horary astrology is not the right technique. First because horary is a very factual branch of astrology, second because there is no way how such a claim could possibly be verified.

I don't have the time to look at the chart now, will do it in the afternoon and let you know, but right from now I can tell you there's 80% chance the chart is not radical and that cannot be judged.

In other words, you came here to try both the astrologers and the "psychic", (whom I hope you did not pay). This will show in the chart either as an affliction of the seventh house, an affliction of the Moon or a dissonant Mars. You can find plenty of references about considerations that need to be made before judgment it in Gadbury, Bonatty and Lilly's works, which are available on the web for free.


Blumen

Just a side note: some astrologers tend not to use the considerations before judgement, justifying this choice on various grounds. However I think that given the internet's anonimity considerations before judgement are needed today much more than they were at Lilly's times.

[Nef]

Thank you Radu.

But are there many Amenhoteps and Nefertitis? It was speciifed Amenhotep IV.

Even if it were true I am not going to claim responsibility for it.

[Nef]

I agree blumen that is unverifiable. I did not pay for any.

Thank you.

[Radu]

Psychics can err easily. Don't exclude a previous life in ancient Egypt, but not necessarily as Amenhotep, maybe as a priest or some other personality.
As for the anonimity, don't forget that I am the forum administrator.

[Nef]

I travel and am using a friend's computer.
I do not think I am Amenhotep though.

[Radu]

Perfect then! :)

[Nef]

Why perfect?

I do think my friend is Nef though :D
I just wanted to check it.
Sun/Moon exact degrees. Sun = Amenhotep ( Sun God worshipper) ; Moon = Nefertiti.

Someone said Ruler of ascendant in 10 house = leadership ; south node in 10 house too.

Venus = midheaven. Nefertiti is a legendary beauty.

[blumen]

Dear Nefertiti,

I do not think you are Amenhotep either. Perhaps that stop over at the pub after a week travelling and working 24/7 opened my third eye…..

Seriously: some of the people posting on this forum believe in reincarnation, others do not. I do not believe in reincarnation so the issue about your chart to me is different. It is clear from your post that you came here to “try” the astrologers. Now the question that comes to my mind is the following: is this showed in the chart? It must be.

I am sure I am wrong, but if you’re travelling then the chart that was cast today shows that you’re travelling because of your job, and that you have to follow a rather tight, tiring schedule as well, even though this should be a successful trip. Or should I say you have been travelling until 2days/2hours/2weeks ago?

This wild guess apart, I will go through the relevant considerations before judgement and see what comes out. I do not know how familiar are you with astrology, so I’ll first write down the result of the interpretation and then mention all the technical details for my fellow astrologers’ pleasure.

To me this chart is not radical, and it should not be judged. Indications that the querent came to try the astrologer are too strong to be ignored.

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“If the 7th house be hindered, his Lord be retrograde, combust or otherwise afflicted let not the astrologer judge anything, for by how much the more he shall adventure to judge at such a time, by so much the more shall he disgrace himself and disparage the art he professeth” (Gadbury)

In this chart, the lord of the seventh is Jupiter. Jupiter is retrograde. Squared Neptune, a modern malefic. This indicates confusion, betrayal and similar unpleasant things.

If we consider that the Moon is a co-significator of the question itself, then the Moon opposes Saturn, and this is not a good condition.

Also, this question does not pertain to the seventh house, yet the seventh house (astrologer) is afflicted. Not only is its lord (Jupiter) retrograde, the seventh house is also occupied by a modern malefic, Pluto. Pluto is retrograde, conjunct the cusp of the seventh, and opposed by Mars in the first house……I am sure the querent is rolling on the floor laughing while he reads this.

Blumen

[Nef]

Hi Blumen,

I did not ask this as a joke, nor am I testing the astrologers/cosmos. The chart is posted to get an opinion. I respect the craft.
I believe in reincarnation.
I did not cast the chart, but a friend did for me, when I asked the question.

I am not laughing.
Venus/Uranus is on the midheaven and it represents famous beauty.
I see mars in the first as significator of male energy.

[Nef]

Perhaps I should not have asked about Amenhotep. My main purpose was to query about Nefertiti. But it just followed, and thus make a convoluted question. Apologies.

[blumen]

Ok, so I got it wrong (lord of the 7th retrograde), I am sorry.

Blumen

[Nef]

It is ok, insights appreciated though.

[Draco]

Hi Nef,

The 'psychic' who asserted that you were Egyptian royalty in a former life, has probably told many people that they were great historical figures, in order to flatter people out of their cash. It never ceases to amaze me that there are actually people who fall for this. It wouldn't work on me, because I realise that the only person who can reliably obain any notions about what I have been, am, or will be, in this dimension or others is myself. Why do you consult 'psychics'. Cut out the middle-man, and facilitate contact with the Eternal directly.

The trouble is Nef, there are a thousand other people in this world who also think that they were Amhotep, or Nefertiti, or Elizabeth I, or Hitler.

I can remember reading a book, in which the researcher who wrote it, suggested that many people who claim to have been historical figures actually come to discover through regression that they were associated with this figure in some way but were not actually them. For example, a person believes that they were an Egyptian pharoah, but it turns out that they were actually a servant in Egypt with no association with the pharoah, other than being a contemporary of that figure. In having lived in the same time period and nation, when the person sees pictures of that pharoah, they come to identify with them, believing that they was them, when in actual fact, they just lived at the same time and place, and so resonanted with the image of that pharoah.

For another example, imagine a person who believes they were William Shakespeare, when actually they were just an English actor, that had had a small role in one of his plays at the Globe Theatre. The person, in this life, sees an image of Shakespeare, and because it arouses notions of the Elizabethan life in which they were associated with the theatre and acting, the come to believe that they was Shakepeare, when really, they only acted in one of his plays.

See what I mean?

So perhaps you may simply have been a contemporary of these pharoahs, living under thier reign. However, this information did not come from your own notions, but from a 'psychic', which just about says it all to me, especially when they come out with such outlandish things as this.

Draco :wink:

[Radu]

Wow, Draco, well said!

[Draco]

Cheers :wink:

[Arian Maverick]

Wow, Draco, well said!

You are surprised by this, Radu? I don't think I can find a single post by Draco on this forum that isn't extremely well-written...and I don't say this simply to flatter! 8)

Arian Maverick

[Draco]

Hi Mav,

Thankyou.

I might have made a good point, but the above post must be one of the most error riddled posts I have ever sent! :? I can't believe the spelling errors. :oops:

I often rake through my posts with a fine-toothed comb before sending, but I just wasn't in that mood at that time.

Draco :wink:

[Nef]

I mentioned I did not pay the psychic.

It is fine what you said, but apparently you are trying to tone down my supposed 'ego' instead of finding out from the chart.

I mentioned too that the chart does not necesarily refer to me. It can be a chart for anyone and it could be for interests' sake to see what is revealed.

[Draco]

Hi Nef,

It is fine what you said, but apparently you are trying to tone down my supposed 'ego' instead of finding out from the chart.

Not at all. I apologise if this is how it came across. My criticism was of the 'psychic' who said this, not you.

Draco :wink:

[Elianah]

Hi Nef,

As Draco said:
or example, a person believes that they were an Egyptian pharoah, but it turns out that they were actually a servant in Egypt with no association with the pharoah, other than being a contemporary of that figure.

The connection you may have had with this pharoah and queen could as well been as a follower of their monotheistic Sun worshipping religion. The religion may have made more sense to you than the traditional Egyptian religion at the time. The psychic could have felt the energetic resonance with the religion and not having the appropriate framework to lay it on, used the only reference the psychic knew: Nefertiti and Amenhotep IV.

And, before anyone jumps to any conclusions, I am not saying that this is the interpretation for the past life connection. My focus is the energy that the psychic picked up on and may not have had the tools to translate the energy properly. You may have been an envoy from another government witnessing the rise and fall of this particular rulership. Or you might have been a priest/priestess from the traditional Egyptian religion that was trying to figure out how to dislodge this usurper religion from Egypt. Or you may have been Ai, the military commander, who would eventually become Phaoroh after Tutankhamen's death, who was watching for his time to topple Amenhotep. Or you could have been a member of royal court, either high or low ranking. Or you might have been Nefertiti's lover. These, and more, could be possibilities for past lives at that time.

The important thing is that it appears from what you reported that the psychic didn't have enough knowledge of the time period to actually unpack the energy and give you a correct interpretation.

How can you be sure if this is what happen and not that the psychic was doing an underhanded impress job on you? Allow yourself to go back to that reading as an observer and observe without judgement the psychic's work. If it turns out that the psychic's energy feels honest and sincere to you, then the psychic did not have enough reference points for that time period to correctly interpret the energetic impressions that were given. If the energy does not feel honest and sincere, then Draco's impression that the psychic was trying to "wow" you for more money may be correct.

Also, in reviewing by observation, check and see what information that you may have inadvertently fed the psychic that might have led the psychic to the conclusion about Amenhotep IV and Nefertiti. I've noticed that sometimes psychics will give information that they think the client wants to hear about him or herself rather than the information the energy is presenting to the psychic.

There is this great scene in "Bull Durham" where Crash and Annie are discussing past lives after having sex. I can't remember what famous person Annie had said she was but Crash called her on it and said "Why doesn't anyone ever say in a past life I was Joe Schmoe?" Annie replied "Because it doesn't work that way, silly."

I think that the subtext of the scene is that everyone hopes that they have some famous personage as a past life because it explains why they are just a Joe Schmoe in this lifetime. And if one believes in "guilt" by association, then the psychic becomes famous through being associated with people who were famous (or at least remembered) in their past lives. The more clients with recognizable past lives the psychic has, the less of a Joe Schmoe the psychic becomes.

So all of these are some of the possibilities of why the psychic came up with Amenhotep IV and Nefertiti. The point is that you listened to your own intuition and said that the information was not correct for you (however you could see it being true for the other person in question). This was your soul's way of prodding you to really investigate your connection to Egypt, whether it was during this reign or not. There may be something there that your soul is hoping that you will discover that may be useful in this lifetime. It doesn't matter if the psychic got the people wrong, the psychic got you thinking in a more concrete way about the possibility of an Egyptian lifetime during that period, which is what your soul was after, I believe.

Elianah[/quote]

[Elianah]

Hi Nef,

As Draco said:
For example, a person believes that they were an Egyptian pharoah, but it turns out that they were actually a servant in Egypt with no association with the pharoah, other than being a contemporary of that figure.

The connection you may have had with this pharoah and queen could as well been as a follower of their monotheistic Sun worshipping religion. The religion may have made more sense to you than the traditional Egyptian religion at the time. The psychic could have felt the energetic resonance with the religion and not having the appropriate framework to lay it on, used the only reference the psychic knew: Nefertiti and Amenhotep IV.

And, before anyone jumps to any conclusions, I am not saying that this is the interpretation for the past life connection. My focus is the energy that the psychic picked up on and may not have had the tools to translate the energy properly. You may have been an envoy from another government witnessing the rise and fall of this particular rulership. Or you might have been a priest/priestess from the traditional Egyptian religion that was trying to figure out how to dislodge this usurper religion from Egypt. Or you may have been Ai, the military commander, who would eventually become Phaoroh after Tutankhamen's death, who was watching for his time to topple Amenhotep. Or you could have been a member of royal court, either high or low ranking. Or you might have been Nefertiti's lover. These, and more, could be possibilities for past lives at that time.

The important thing is that it appears from what you reported that the psychic didn't have enough knowledge of the time period to actually unpack the energy and give you a correct interpretation.

How can you be sure if this is what happen and not that the psychic was doing an underhanded impress job on you? Allow yourself to go back to that reading as an observer and observe without judgement the psychic's work. If it turns out that the psychic's energy feels honest and sincere to you, then the psychic did not have enough reference points for that time period to correctly interpret the energetic impressions that were given. If the energy does not feel honest and sincere, then Draco's impression that the psychic was trying to "wow" you for more money may be correct.

Also, in reviewing by observation, check and see what information that you may have inadvertently fed the psychic that might have led the psychic to the conclusion about Amenhotep IV and Nefertiti. I've noticed that sometimes psychics will give information that they think the client wants to hear about him or herself rather than the information the energy is presenting to the psychic.

There is this great scene in "Bull Durham" where Crash and Annie are discussing past lives after having sex. I can't remember what famous person Annie had said she was but Crash called her on it and said "Why doesn't anyone ever say in a past life I was Joe Schmoe?" Annie replied "Because it doesn't work that way, silly."

I think that the subtext of the scene is that everyone hopes that they have some famous personage as a past life because it explains why they are just a Joe Schmoe in this lifetime. And if one believes in "guilt" by association, then the psychic becomes famous through being associated with people who were famous (or at least remembered) in their past lives. The more clients with recognizable past lives the psychic has, the less of a Joe Schmoe the psychic becomes.

So all of these are some of the possibilities of why the psychic came up with Amenhotep IV and Nefertiti. The point is that you listened to your own intuition and said that the information was not correct for you (however you could see it being true for the other person in question). This was your soul's way of prodding you to really investigate your connection to Egypt, whether it was during this reign or not. There may be something there that your soul is hoping that you will discover that may be useful in this lifetime. It doesn't matter if the psychic got the people wrong, the psychic got you thinking in a more concrete way about the possibility of an Egyptian lifetime during that period, which is what your soul was after, I believe.

Elianah

[Nef]

Hi Elianah,

The psychic is a personal friend.
But I'm not trying to convince anyone. Just getting a second opinion.
I will explore Egypt. It was 1336 bc, very long ago. Of course it could be a farce, but i'm just posting the chart for interests' sake.

[Elianah]

Nef,

Understood. I didn't realize that the psychic in question was a personal friend. I was using Draco's post as a springboard for exploring the reason the psychic may have come up with that answer. That might be an interesting horary question in itself.

I also couldn't get the duplicated post to delete.

Elianah

[Elianah]

Nef,

Understood. I didn't realize that the psychic in question was a personal friend. I was using Draco's post as a springboard for exploring the reason the psychic may have come up with that answer. That might be an interesting horary question in itself.

I also couldn't get the duplicated post to delete.

Elianah

[eiriny]

People who say that they are a certain peron from the past are usually either believing a myth or in an illusion or they are in extreme cases possessed by the spirit of that person.
I rule that last option out in your case.
More likely it seems to me one of the first options.

But hey it is not important who you have been in the past, you might also have been a giraffe, it is more important who you are now and what possibilities you create to imbibe all qualities a person can derrive from all the signs, planets, houses. :)