Going anywhere?

[eonechoes]

I am having a hard time trying to figure out if we're going anywhere or not...

I'm Shannon, he's Gary.

http://astrobreak.com/Shannon.JPG
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Sorry the images are large, but I use Kepler.

[wilsontc]

Shannon,

An astrological chart only shows people's energy interactions and the possiblities of those energy interactions. When two people are in a relationship and one or the other doesn't know where the relationship is going, this is NOT a time for astrology. It's a time for talking with the other person.

Non-astrologically,

Tim

[eonechoes]

Shannon,

An astrological chart only shows people's energy interactions and the possiblities of those energy interactions. When two people are in a relationship and one or the other doesn't know where the relationship is going, this is NOT a time for astrology. It's a time for talking with the other person.

Non-astrologically,

Tim

Oh, I'm sorry I didn't mean to bother you with my question. But, actually looking at his chart you can figure out if he is willing to make commitments to someone like me (from my chart), so yes, actually you can. But, I'm sure I never thought, with my tiny little mind, of talking to him about it, considering we talk about this a lot, but I wanted to know the underlying truths of the commitments he truly can make.

The colors on my monitor got ******* up, and so I can only really see things on my mom's laptop, so I have to hunch over and can not be on this laptop for a long period of time, otherwise I would do this myself.

[Kite]

It's going nowhere. He has 4 retrograde planets and you have 1. Out of sync. He'll want you tied to the bedpost popping out kids. You want to get out into the world. But perhaps, that may be the attraction - the conflict.

[eonechoes]

It's going nowhere. He has 4 retrograde planets and you have 1. Out of sync. He'll want you tied to the bedpost popping out kids. You want to get out into the world. But perhaps, that may be the attraction - the conflict.

That's very interesting! I must say I'm happy to only have 1, but... Yes, very interesting! Thank you! I will look more into that whole aspects, I never thought of looking at retrogrades for... steadiness. Or... Speed. Yeah. For lack of a better term.

I am just learning how to personally compare people, on my own, beyond just "Venus in [blah] and Venus in [blah] and Mars in..." kind of ****. So, yes, that is a whole other area to look.

Thank you for your help!

[wilsontc]

eonechoes,

I apologize if you misunderstood me or if I upset you with my reply. A temptation for some people in astrology is to look for EVERYTHING in the birth chart. To me, this ignores the importance of free will. I have seen "perfect" charts where people find their lives falling apart. I have also seen "impossible" charts where people are doing very well. So I am reluctant to make any decisions about a relationship without knowing both people in the relationship VERY well.

This is where I draw the line with astrology board advice: advising two people about their chances of working out their differences when I have never and will never see them to get to know both of them and their problems. I am very pleased that you are both talking to each other to try to work out your differences and that you are obviously aware of the issues between you.

And now I want to examine some of the thinking that seems to be underneath what you said.

Since you want to "know the underlying truths of the commitments he truly can make" this seems to imply that you have already decided he may be untruthful to you in some way. Also since, by "looking at his chart you can figure out if he is willing to make commitments to someone like me (from my chart)" it seems like you already had your answer to this question about his ability to be truthful ready before you posted and were looking for someone to confirm it.

This raises questions in my mind: if we can know the underlying truths of someone from their chart and we can also figure out if someone is willing to make commitments to us, sight unseen, no introduction, or getting to know time required...why don't we simply draw up the charts of our possible dates and then find the best person from that? And, if this is so well known about a person and their intentions, why don't we simply propose marraige with the person where our charts "fit" together?

We could do this, of course, but if we do this, it seems to me we let astrology rule us instead of us ruling astrology. We end up doing things because "the chart tells me so" instead of because "this is the best of the options I've looked at". For me, it makes sense to use astrology to help build an awareness of ourselves and our choices. Once we understand that, we can put astrology aside and make the best decision we can. Looking to a chart to find out whether someone has the ability to be committed to us takes the power of our decisions out of our own hands and gives it to the chart.

Thinking out loud,

Tim