Calling all Saturn returns in the 8th, 11th and 12th!

[astropsychologist]

Hi,
I am currently experiencing my Saturn return in the 6th house. However I have always struggled to fully understand the meaning of the 8th, 11th and 12th houses. I would like to hear from anyone who has experienced or is currently experiencing their Saturn return in one of these houses. I do know what these houses mean, but I'm just curious to hear first hand how it feels?

[Gracehoper]

I had my first Saturn Return in Gemini in the 12th house in 2004-2005 at the same time that my progressed Sun (natal Taurus 11th house) conjoined my natal Saturn. I spent 2003 through 2005 in a series of mental hospitals (Saturn, 12th house, and Gemini all there), where I received Electro-convulsive therapy which gave me amnesia (Saturn in Gemini again) covering much of that period.

I feel lucky to have survived that period! It's all good now though, with my progressed Venus (natally in Taurus in 11th) about to crest over my Cancer Ascendant as transiting Uranus and progressed Mars hit my Pisces MC.

For me my 12th house Saturn return was definitely a lesson in self-undoing, the theme of the 12th house.

[Joseph Ledzion]

You could also use whole sign houses, if you wish:
http://horoscopicastrologyblog.com/2007/06/10/whole-sign-houses/

Joseph Ledzion

[modified original posting since it implied there was one correct house system and discouraged discussion on the issue - Moderator]

[AstroHarmonia]

The 8th house return must be pretty harsh

[amzolt]

I would like to hear from anyone who has experienced or is currently experiencing their Saturn return in one of these houses. I do know what these houses mean, but I'm just curious to hear first hand how it feels?

I have my Saturn in Cancer on the 12th cusp but close enough that it progresses to 12 before my 7th year (by Solar Arc Progression) so I count it as in the 12th...

I've had two returns and they were definitely the ending of one way of life and the beginning of another. Deep, deep feelings that circled around issues of monumental importance (to me and humanity). Not a light-weight return but oh, so educational...;)

[R4VEN]

Saturn in 8th here, and have survived two Saturn returns. Like you, astropsychologist, I'm still not clear about 8th house stuff, even though it has been at the focal point of most of my life's lessons.

During my 1st Saturn return, I had to look at my own resources - financial, mainly - and whether I felt strong enough to face the world alone outside my marriage. I felt unable to, so I stayed where I was for another 6 years - something of a fizzer of a Saturn Return.

During the 2nd Saturn Return I came face to face with the requirement to establish my own identity based upon my own right to empowerment in the world. I'm still dealing with this. I also have Chiron in Scorpio, so issues around power - my own and others' - have been around me for all my life, and I have not yet exhausted the possibilities. The 8th house is a very deep well.

[kimm]

I'm about to experience my second Saturn return this weekend. Saturn in Libra in my 11th house. In addition, for the last year, I've had Pluto conjunct my Moon in my third house. The Pluto aspect scared me a little but the second Saturn return really concerns me because I got divorced during the first one. Any insight?

[R4VEN]

TBH, kimm, your Saturn Return will affect you for way longer than just the weekend. I consider that the return itself takes place over a period of about 12-13 months.

There are those on this forum who will disagree, but I feel (and I mean feel) transits for anything up to 7-8 degree orb. You probably have to consider Saturn's transits to the natal to affect you within at least a 5 degree orb. Your 1st Saturn return is one of the most fundamental of your life so far, so it will affect you for much longer than the exact conjunction.

How have you experienced the past few months with its approach? (Saturn in Libra in 11th will dampen your ability to socialise in groups - for a start - and then there's the other 11th house factor of long-term goals. I suspect that you have a strong social conscience.)

The idea of a Saturn return is for reviewing how you are going about your Saturn `work'.