Which Sign is the most strongest one, most infulential one,

[Dracula]

i think libras

[FleetingDasein]

There's no sign that is stronger than the other. There have been influential people of all signs.

I guess it depends on what each signs represents.

At least for me, I couldn't imagine a world without Pisces' and Aquarius'. But I'm Pisces rising --- and I value artistic expression and progressive thought.

Someone who thinks Diplomacy is uber important, would go with Libra. Really, all signs are needed!

[starlink]

i think libras Why do you think that Dracula?

[Munchkin]

I agree with Fleeting, all 12 signs are needed in the circle of the Cosmos, all 360 degrees of it alive and kicking. That is why each sign has a polar opposite, a balance. If you are having problems with something in your chart look to your polar opposite for solutions to get back in balance.

Another thing we are not just one sign we are a conglomeration of many signs: The rising, ascendant, moon, planets on angles they all mesh together. So its just not one sign operating but many based on chart and aspects.

[The_Sundance_Kid]

All 12 signs blah blah... :P

I agree of course :) ...

...but to be partial (which I enjoy for the sake of it) and amoral I will say I think Uranus is the most noticed. They can really get a group going too and can change things. So I guess that means Aquarius and Scorpio. Individual, communicative, intelligent, slightly odd, even if you dislike them you only figure it out after a while, I think it is hard for people to take an instant dislike to Iranians.

EDIT I meant Uranians, but I do like Iranians as well. And I guess that's apt as we're in an Obama administration now!

[millionora]

There's no sign that is stronger than the other. There have been influential people of all signs.

I guess it depends on what each signs represents.

At least for me, I couldn't imagine a world without Pisces' and Aquarius'. But I'm Pisces rising --- and I value artistic expression and progressive thought.

Someone who thinks Diplomacy is uber important, would go with Libra. Really, all signs are needed!

Very nice...indeed yes the Libra would be the strongest, as the libra is the only sign that is not represented by an animal of human, meaning that we jugde and take action according to fairness and justice for all, we are more apt to being objective, than any other sign..(my ego at work here;) )

btw I am a Loving Libra-Pisces asc!

{most importantly i want justice for our Earth who has so seen nothing but INJUSTICE from us...}

love, light, truth

Blessings!

in essence the only way Libra would be the strongest, is with the other signs too (theres the justice for the rest;) ;) )

WE ALL MATTER but a true LIBRA would admit that...

[starlink]

Dracula, anything more to add? Would be nice if you could comment a bit on what others so kindly have answered to you.

[millionora]

Dracula, anything more to add? Would be nice if you could comment a bit on what others so kindly have answered to you.


AHHHHH Starlink!!! hmmm you would make a great teacher,

my guess would be you are either a Aries or Leo (which are very strong also)......challenging and wanting to know more..or you could have a nice mercury placement also...

Love, light, Truth!

Blessings!

[Dracula]

well, i know all zodiac signs are wonderful, its like a garden of flowers. all are important, i meant the people who have a very strong personality, who are very assertive, and upfront and i think you got my point.

the people i think who are very strong are all cardinal line plus LEOs
but i think libras and cancer people normally are very strong,
some people say cancer... i dont know who they are so i came here,
as it is mentioned here that Libra is the only Zodiac which is not human or animal --- nice way to make it understand, is it really true or jst an opinion.

[Dracula]

AHHHHH Starlink!!! hmmm you would make a great teacher,

my guess would be you are either a Aries or Leo (which are very strong also)......challenging and wanting to know more..or you could have a nice mercury placement also...

Love, light, Truth!

Blessings!


mercury placement, would you refine, where mercury should me to make a person function like such

[millionora]

mercury placement, would you refine, where mercury should me to make a person function like such

Well a mercury placement in 8th house is pretty investigative.

love, light, truth

blessings

[Dracula]

i am annexing these charts please tell who are the strongest one


one is a cancerian
one is a libra
one is a virgo virgo is me

[Dracula]

i make threads and go away and come back after some hours, and then i read posts and reply them, its my way

[starlink]

Millionora, no, I am a Taurus with Scorpio Ascendant but yes, I do have both rulers in Aries in the Leo 5th house, so you were not far off:)
Mercury is maybe strict, in square to Saturn, ruler of the 3rd.


Hello there Dracula!
i make threads and go away and come back after some hours, and then i read posts and reply them, its my way

Perfect! Glad you came back! Yes, I sometimes cant come back for days when things are too busy at home and work. I understand that.

[Nexus7]

Apparently, in war Libra makes the best general.....

[millionora]

i am annexing these charts please tell who are the strongest one


one is a cancerian
one is a libra
one is a virgo virgo is me

ok here is what i could come up with quickly,
strongest IMO is:
1) Libra- sun in 10th house Career, Fame, public image is very important to this person, along with a stack of planets in the 1st house of self, with Saggi ASC-broad horizons-mars in first-aggressive, uranus first wants lots of personal freedom, with a Libra Sun and Sag Asc this person IMO is strongest.
2) Virgo-extroverted and service oriented

3) Cancer- Introvert and most likely does lots of things privately.

in essence it all just depends on what your defintion of strong is. its relative in the way you asked it at the begining of the thread.

love, light, truth

blessings!

[AquaScorpio]

Aries - Influential to me for their courage and quick thinking
Taurus - Influential to me for their perfect patience and tuning with Nature
Gemini - Influential to me for their intellectual and communicating skills
Cancer - Influential to me because of their hospitality and sensitivity
Leo - Influential to me by how magnetic they are and how brave they can be
Virgo - Influential to me by how they strive to perfect things
Libra - Influential to me by their need for fair justice and for how romantic the women are ;)
Scorpio - Influential to me by how intense they can be and how they can focus energy perfectly
Sagittarius - Influential to me by their love of philosophy and how fun they can be
Capricorn - Influential to me by their rock solid work ethic
Aquarius - Influential to me by how they always move things forward and look at things from new perspectives
Pisces - Influential to me by how they dream big and connect to the spirit world

So needless to say I agree with those who say all the zodiac signs are influential in their own way. However in my personal life, Libras, Aquarians and Leos have been the most inspiring to me.

[millionora]

Wonderful!! Libra wins for strongest! but wants to celebrate with all other signs!!!:D (oops justice again!!)

love, light, truth!

blessings!

[Dracula]

thanks milinora,
would you explain a little more about, this mr cancerian

[Dracula]

one little question i have heard that if some one has more "trines" that is the strongest one

Libra has zero trines
but cancerian one has trines ..... so i am confused
Sun Trine Jupiter
Mercury Trine Saturn
Venus Trine Neptune
Mars Trine Ascendant

[gaer]

To me the fascinating things about such discussions is finding out how different people define "strongest" and "most influential". ;)

[gaer]

...but to be partial (which I enjoy for the sake of it) and amoral I will say I think Uranus is the most noticed. They can really get a group going too and can change things. So I guess that means Aquarius and Scorpio.

Why Scorpio? I'm talking about the sign itself, dominant in charts, not just the Sun sign. I associate great power with Scorpio, but I don't see this power as being especially noticeable. If anything, hidden. In general. :)

[Leon]

Apparently, in war Libra makes the best general.....This is not true.

Let's look at some famous military leaders.

Caesar - Cancer
Alexander The Great - Cancer
Napoleon Bonaparte - Leo
Gengis Khan - Scorpio
George Washington - Taurus
Robert E. Lee - Capricorn
George Patton - Scorpio
The Commandant of the Marine Corps, General Conway - Capricorn

If I had to give the strongest award to the archetype of one Sun sign it would go to Capricorn. Hard work and planning beats all.

[allie_b]

George Washington was a Pisces, I believe.

This is not true.

Let's look at some famous military leaders.

Caesar - Cancer
Alexander The Great - Cancer
Napoleon Bonaparte - Leo
Gengis Khan - Scorpio
George Washington - Taurus
Robert E. Lee - Capricorn
George Patton - Scorpio
The Commandant of the Marine Corps, General Conway - Capricorn

If I had to give the strongest award to the archetype of one Sun sign it would go to Capricorn. Hard work and planning beats all.

[Leon]

George Washington was a Pisces, I believe.You're right. I mixed up the placements of his chart.

[RayAustin]

Since strength is most attributed to fire planets (the strength of the Sun, and Mars making a person physically strong) the strongest signs (not sun sign, which doesn't make sense to consider because it's just the sun's position, not necessarily the strongest sign of the native) would be Leo, Aries, and Scorpio.

Power is also attributed to Pluto, who co-rules Scorpio, so again; Leo, Aries and Scorpio.

Most influential? Well that doesn't have to do much with 'strength' per se. The air signs or Mercury ruled signs would be good when it comes to accumulating strength from others.

Ray.

[Leon]

Since strength is most attributed to fire planets (the strength of the Sun, and Mars making a person physically strong) the strongest signs (not sun sign, which doesn't make sense to consider because it's just the sun's position, not necessarily the strongest sign of the native) would be Leo, Aries, and Scorpio.

Power is also attributed to Pluto, who co-rules Scorpio, so again; Leo, Aries and Scorpio.

Most influential? Well that doesn't have to do much with 'strength' per se. The air signs or Mercury ruled signs would be good when it comes to accumulating strength from others.

Ray.+1, humans are social animals. The most influential ones would be those that can communicate well, and do it in a way that attracts others into doing trash for them.

[RayAustin]

I have to say, it all depends on the context of what.

[gaer]

Listing the Sun signs of people is not going to get us anywhere. If we are considering strength and signs that show it, we need to look for charts that are dominated by a sign.

Even that would just be a start. :)

[rogue_red]

Libras are charmers for sure so they get the popularity vote but strong? Indecisive and chronically avoiding conflict is not my idea of strength. I see strong personalities as resilient, prepared to confront if and only if it is required, able to avoid responding to provocation, self controlled and resolute.
I'd put scorpio and capricorn up there closely followed by aquarius, taurus and aries.:D

Rogue red

Edit: actually i'm gonna put aquarius up there with scorpio and capricorn.

[millionora]

I was thinking the same thing. Look, libras are charmers for sure so they get the popularity vote but strong? Indecisive and chronically avoiding conflict is not my idea of strength. I see strong personalities as resilient, prepared to confront if and only if it is required, able to avoid responding to provocation, self controlled and resolute.
I'd put scorpio and capricorn up there closely followed by aquarius, taurus and aries.:D

Rogue red

Edit: actually i'm gonna put aquarius up there with scorpio and capricorn.

Yes you are right about libra's being charmers as we are,indecisive yes but only because we want the BEST outcome for ALL (JUSTICE) Which isnt easy and does take COURAGE, but from my own personal experience, I am a Libra, I tolerated and survived a almost deadly marriage to a physically abusive CAPRICORN, i am not the only strong libra, as my father who too is a libra has survived many serious ordeals that i dont want to mention but have aided in my strength...

this was why i agreed to LIBRAs being strongest, but it is all relative..eaach case is independent of the other..

love, light,truth

Blessings..

btw when i faced CAPRICORN he crumbled...;-)

[ScorpiosRock]

I think this depends on who you are? Insociety I think the most influential signs are the four fixed signs. Just to review some gossip headliners: Obama (Leo), Madonna (without whom fashion and music would come to a stand still - Leo - this scorp respects you hon), Bill Gates (scorpio), David Beckham (Taurus), Paris Hilton/Jennifer Aniston (Aquarius). Don't ever forget pisces, they seep in everywhere like chinese water torture's patient little drips (Einstein)

[rogue_red]

Yes you are right about libra's being charmers as we are,indecisive yes but only because we want the BEST outcome for ALL (JUSTICE) Which isnt easy and does take COURAGE, but from my own personal experience, I am a Libra, I tolerated and survived a almost deadly marriage to a physically abusive CAPRICORN, i am not the only strong libra, as my father who too is a libra has survived many serious ordeals that i dont want to mention but have aided in my strength...

this was why i agreed to LIBRAs being strongest, but it is all relative..eaach case is independent of the other..

love, light,truth

Blessings..

btw when i faced CAPRICORN he crumbled...;-)

Sorry if i offended you milli:), of course i am not talking about librian people as such and is not meant in a disparaging way. Im talking on a more singular level, as in the nature of libra. Nobody is the pure embodiment of one sign and whilst you faced and conquored all number of struggles it may not have been your librian element that carried you through but rather a combination os strengths from many signs.

Rogue red

[millionora]

Sorry if i offended you milli:), of course i am not talking about librian people as such and is not meant in a disparaging way. Im talking on a more singular level, as in the nature of libra. Nobody is the pure embodiment of one sign and whilst you faced and conquored all number of struggles it may not have been your librian element that carried you through but rather a combination os strengths from many signs.

Rogue red

Oh Rogue Red, please dont apologize. i just wanted to justify that Libra is a strong sign, just from my own personal experience. and yes it is UNWISE for any of us to say that one particular sign is strong like King Kong:D :D :D ..
where's the justice there??lol
anyway, we are all strong! contrary to what some people believe..
Cheers Rogue Red!!
Love, light, Truth!

Blessings!

[ScorpiosRock]

I think the most potency lies in the sign that works most effectively without being noticed...?

[Jenna Jupiter]

Fixed signs for belive in what they do; Aquarius, Taurus, Leo, Scorpio

For hard work and want to have power; Scorpio, Capricorn, Pluto, Saturn

Everyone here can be strong depending on the chart, but i would NEVER think that in general the Cancer/Libra sign is the most strong. Libras can have a really hard time choosing and i find them very easy to control. Cancers... I don't really know much about them so they can't really be that powerful to me. Trines? Not the strongest ones. It just means that the area has little conflicts and is at ease. It can be good and bad. If there are to much ease it can makes one lazy. It depens on the planets to "Mars Trine Sun" in fire signs would be a more energetic trine than "Moon Trine Venus" in earth signs.

/JJ

I'm not going to reply to people who comment this because i know this is true for me and don't need disturbing "truths".

[Ekim86]

I remeber reading in the General Principals of Astrology that Scorpio could be the strongest sign. It can also be the weakest too. I personally beleave this as it seems to go well with scorpios black and white nature. Not talking about the Scorpion Sun but the scorpion influence in general. Which we all have in us. Regardless if your a herion addict, your mother just died or your new puppy was sadly hit by a car, Strength to me is measured by how much you can transform an old worn out quality or mind state and build something new. The death of the old and birth of the new. I can see it being the weakest also when you chose not to rebirth in a time that so desperitly needs it. And also Aquarius would prolly be a very strong sign on a larger scale. Aquarius and the revolution of a bigger party, Scorpio, the revolution/transformation of the self. All signs are strong in there own way. I have invented a saying that me and some of my friends use when; girlfriends become ex's, people want to quit smoking/drinking and get fit, yaddy ya. We called it the rebirth button. Use it when you need it. ;)

[ScorpiosRock]

A Taurus btw...

[Leon]

A Taurus btw...Yep. The influential trail seems to go Fixed > Cardinal > Mutable

[Mr stellium]

This is not true.

Let's look at some famous military leaders.

Caesar - Cancer
Alexander The Great - Cancer
Napoleon Bonaparte - Leo
Gengis Khan - Scorpio
George Washington - Taurus
Robert E. Lee - Capricorn
George Patton - Scorpio
The Commandant of the Marine Corps, General Conway - Capricorn

If I had to give the strongest award to the archetype of one Sun sign it would go to Capricorn. Hard work and planning beats all. Don't forget Eisenhower who was the supreme commander of the allied invasion of Europe during WW2 - He had his Sun in Libra, the degree of Saturn's deep exaltation (21 Libra).

[Sagmoon]

I always felt that capricorns will put on a tie and go to work no matter what happens, so people naturally look up to them...?

Otherwise I'd agree that all the fixed signs are the most influential...

S

[Mr stellium]

Adolph hitler was not a strong man but rather a weak man, but he did know how to manipulate people.

Rogue red He had Saturn in Leo in the 10th squaring his exact Venus/Mars conjunction in Taurus...The Moon and Jupiter were conjunct in Capricorn trine his Sun in the 1st degree of Taurus, Mercury was angular from the 6th in Aries opposite Uranus which had just risen in Libra...other than transpersonal planets Neptune and Pluto (Gemini) he was all fixed or cardinal. A strong representation of Cardinal and Fixed makes a stubborn determined individual who gets things done.

[Nexus7]

The Iron Lady no less was a Libra Sun, and didn't Churchill have something in Libra too?

[LaLibra]

Libras easy to control? :D Interesting....I would have to disagree. Most Libras will do exactly as they planned but without appearing to be controlling the situation, they will go with the appearance that the it was the others' decision as well...but sure they do compromise a lot, as long as it doesn't take them off their path. Push a Libra too far sometimes and see how easy they are! Manipulation might work once or twice while we turn a blind eye but too much and we get mad because it's insulting our intelligence. When I have no patience for diplomacy, or no time.. I think I get pretty tyranical :eek: Then again I have Mars in Leo and a 12th house stellium too so...hmmm

To be FAIR;) , all signs have their weak and strong qualities I think it depends on what traits are consciously developed or not, as well as other aspects supporting the strong traits.

[ScorpiosRock]

LaLibra: here I would have to add the classic Libra saying:

Libras easy to control, well, yes AND no. They are smart, but their love of people might make them easily controlable targets.

I maintain: The four fixed signs and pisces.

[LaLibra]

Nice answer :D yes and no...yes I can say yes and no to answer every question!

About 'love of people', I think for any sign that would be someone's weakness. I can see fixed signs strong as you say but it's one idea of strong. I know them not to budge on their opinions or their choices without much regard for how it affects another. That could be detrimental rather strong in my opinion. Dependable, courageous, unyielding, persistent, resilient...these are all traits of strength, good and bad. The OP was referring to influence and I see fixed signs strengths to be more in personal things and inwardly focused than outwards to have much influence with a big exception for Leo - that is an very influential sign.

I can see Pisces as strong because they will just withdraw if pushed too far, they also don't back down from their principles, but I don't know it's influential.

Surprisingly Cancer can be a pretty strong sign, I never met a Cancer that didn't get their way. Again, influential? not so sure...I'm sure this would have a lot more to do with 10th house placments and Mercury and Uranus in the chart.

[LaLibra]

Hi Jenna Jupiter,

Perhaps you're right, but I am a double Libra so I should have very typical Libran qualities, but I don't feel I do - so maybe some stereotypes are incorrect? Or flavoured by my many Pluto conjucts. I'm very opinionated and decisive. If I need to make a quick decision I can do my contrast/comparison super fast and that's it, decided. Sometimes I don't even think I just decide/choose. I can't speak for the sign only for me, but I hope it can help as an example. The only time I'm indecisive is choosing where to eat if I am with someone else and choosing what to wear when going out.

I missed something you wrote. Yes Libras want justice more than power. That's why people misunderstand and they don't have strength, what happens when you push too far though? They are really an iron fist in a velvet glove, at least there's the potential there.

[gaer]

Don't forget Eisenhower who was the supreme commander of the allied invasion of Europe during WW2 - He had his Sun in Libra, the degree of Saturn's deep exaltation (21 Libra).
And if born before 11 AM or so, Moon in Libra also.

However, he was known for getting difficult personalities to cooperate. That's the whole point. It's all about what KIND of power, and how it is *used*. :)

Putin has four planets in Libra, if I have the right day of birth for him. I would say he is a very powerful man. :)

[LaLibra]

Don't forget Ghandi!!

pasted from:
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/libracharts.html

Mohandas Ghandi, known as Mahatma, (great soul), typified the Libran quest for finding harmony in a world of polarised extremes. Not only is his Sun in Libra, but the Moon on the square of the Venus/Mars - Jupiter/Pluto opposition depicts an image of finely held balance which only absolute focus will preserve. ....His 12th house Sun would suggest difficulties in expressing self-interests effectively, but Ghandi later found strength in ego-suppression as a spiritual philosophy. He was greatly affected by the teachings of the Bhagavad Gita, which advocated worldly detachment and renunciation. He took up vegetarianism and celibacy, despite the fact that he was a natural flirt and viewed sex as a constant temptation.


The assignation of Ghandi (by a Hindu gunman, 1/30/1948, 5:41 pm, Delhi), shook the world, but assured his place in history as one of the great martyrs in the fight for social freedom and equality. Although the Sun appears weak and feeble in this chart, the Libran challenge of acting as an agent of equilibrium and justice, was fully expressed in his life.


Data source: Astrodatabank.com (http://astrodatabank.com/NM/GandhiMohandas.htm)

[FleetingDasein]

I wouldn't ever go with Libra for the strongest.

Come on, definitely not strongest but Libras have been quite influential.

I've always thought Cancers were quite weak --no offense to any Cancers out there. But they are very resilient, but they tend to hide in their little cute shell.

As for strongest, I agree with most people in the thread: either Aries or Scorpio. ;)

[allie_b]

I would have to say Leo as the Sun is its natural ruler.

[gaer]

In general
The problem is that the same qualities that make each sign strong also make it weak, depending on circumstances.

[aquarius7000]

Hi all,

Whilst there are certain natural typicalities and tendencies that can usually be attributed to the signs (one has to begin defining somewhere and somehow, after all), yet I would be careful about 'crowning' any one sign with such 'superlatives' as have been mentioned in the topic of this thread.

Strength is a very broad term, and, for me, true strength can be when an individual actually stands up in a crowd and raises his voice to support the weakest, though he knows that the crowd could turn against him and he would lose his popularity .., as an e.g.. Some, on the other hand, might call this folly. Now, putting this literally in astrological terms, as a pure e.g., the fire signs might consider the above to be a heroic act, whereas the earth signs might deem it as an impractical one for that particular moment. Strength for them might have been knowing when to hold yourself back and doing the needful on a more low-profile note. Both, however, want to help the weak man, but have two different approaches - both 'strong' in their own ways.


I do therefore go with most of what Gaer has said here. It is better to 'think out of the box' when it comes to certain things/such blanket terms.

:)aquarius7000

I think my sign is the strongest (not me-the native though;)), but you have Aquarius in your chart, too.:D

[gaer]

Strength is a very broad term, and, for me, true strength can be when an individual actually stands up in a crowd and raises his voice to support the weakest, though he knows that the crowd could turn against him and he would lose his popularity .., as an e.g.. Some, on the other hand, might call this folly. Now, putting this literally in astrological terms, as a pure e.g., the fire signs might consider the above to be a heroic act, whereas the earth signs might deem it as an impractical one for that particular moment. Strength for them might have been knowing when to hold yourself back and doing the needful on a more low-profile note. Both, however, want to help the weak man, but have two different approaches - both 'strong' in their own ways.

Actually, that is exactly what I had in mind. :)

I don't think it is just a cliché to say that we often find what we lack in our opposite.

One of the most difficult things for me to do is to make a quick decision. In this way I am truly stereotypically Libran. This drove my very Arian mother nearly bonkers. On the other hand, when she and a neighbor had a tiff over something that was really silly, and both were too embarrassed to approach each other, I was able to bridge the gap.

So is it a weakness to see both sides? Or all sides? For an executive, I think it usually is. For a peacemaker, it's not.

Before we talk about strengths, we need to decide what strengths are needed. ;)

g

[Sagmoon]

Somewhere I've read that the cardinal signs are 'social climbers'. What they meant is that they 'use' other people to advance their own interest. Since Libra is the natural communicator then I shall agree that they have a great influence over people. Anyone with prominent Libra in fact...

Oh concerning cancerians; Kathrine the Great was a cancer... :)

Also, isn't the position of MC has something to do with it? Isn't MC in Leo has something to do with becoming a despot(Correct me if i'm wrong)? It would depend on the other factors of cousre, as the career in the art might be more suitable. I know it, cause it happened to my sister...

S

[ScorpiosRock]

Pisces according to my opinion is the strongest, no other sign would agree to this, but as a scorpio I'll let you know that Pisces is the scorpion's personal kryptonite.

Note: Scorpions, have you ever been in any kind of confrontation with a pisces without in the end at least feeling like you've been to hard on the pisces. It's in their personal humility/non-ego and believe me I've tried, there is no way around it. Difficult if you're used to being able to conquer everyone else. this is also the reason scorpions tend to think they don't get on with pisces, think again.

[Sagmoon]

I realise that this site mainly concerns with the western horoscope. However, I'd like to take your attention to the eastern astrology. Chinese in particular. Apparently, they say that Rats are natural born leaders. I do believe that Rats have a dendency to influence. I think some people are born with more tendencies of their chinese sign as it is ( I would imagine) depends on the aspects of the nodes and the moon. Since it is primairily based on the cycles of the moon.

Also I have recently been exploring the numerology, and find that the intepretation of the destiny numbers are particularly true. If for example your date of birth adds up to 1, you will be a natural leader, or aspire to be. I think all numbers have something to do with the influence that one carries with him/ her, they just have different purposes and approaches.

Somehow all these things are interconnected to each other and it is up to astrologers to use all available information to distinguish why a person might be more influential in his/her life.

I think the signs alone just give the characteristics and do not reveal the whole picture. It's really in the aspects, but we have to learn how to read everything from them...


Hope this makes sense :)
S

[ScorpiosRock]

I think the original question here was which sign by principle, un affected by anything/in theory is the strongest. Not neccesarily a person of the sign. And the only way to establish this except for in theory is looking in society to see which people/signs have been the most prominent, dividing this by the amount of people studied et voila...

[millionora]

hi,
just a FYI Luciano Pavarotti, Julio Iglesias, & Sting are or were in Pavaroti's
case LIBRAS! they were strong yes in a beautiful and positive way. Their creations and being able to sway such large audiences even after they have passed is remarkably strong.

Love, light, truth

Blessings.

[OctGirl]

Libras easy to control? :D Interesting....I would have to disagree. Most Libras will do exactly as they planned but without appearing to be controlling the situation, they will go with the appearance that the it was the others' decision as well...but sure they do compromise a lot, as long as it doesn't take them off their path. Push a Libra too far sometimes and see how easy they are! Manipulation might work once or twice while we turn a blind eye but too much and we get mad because it's insulting our intelligence. When I have no patience for diplomacy, or no time.. I think I get pretty tyranical :eek: Then again I have Mars in Leo and a 12th house stellium too so...hmmm

To be FAIR;) , all signs have their weak and strong qualities I think it depends on what traits are consciously developed or not, as well as other aspects supporting the strong traits.

I agree with this absolutely. I am a Libran Sun plus Mars. People who think Librans are easy to control or manipulate may learn some day - a Libran can give nice lessons in clever manipulation without seeming to indulge in manipulation at all.

I agree with other posters - IT ALL DEPENDS (fav Libran phrase) - not because I cannot take a strong stance but it really all depends on the situation and what kind of strength is needed there.

I am gleefully watching so many throwing in valid arguments about Librans - shows we don't give up - especially in healthy arguments :D

Librans make good leaders - ask me, I am one - in any phase of life.

BTW, talking of strengths I will add one point to Libran strength argument - we have the least insecurities because we are the only inanimate sign in zodiac.

[Dracula]

hey guys what i meant was

i mean is i am doing my Post graduation, and here i see all the cancerians are very intelligent and have on average a wonder CGPA in addition they are very assertive and have principles of life and follow them whatever others may say. Earn respect with this attitutude.

Libras not as much great but they have depthness to a peak very stable people all of them.

i meant by this that all people within a zodiac are similar to some extent and there must be a specific zodiac sign which has the huge no of people with such qulaities, so it can be said thati you born under this zodiac sign you are very strong.

[LaLibra]

It's not a competition, no one is saying Libras are the best. I see the that Libras here, including myself, keep trying to prove that Libra is a strong sign using examples of celebrities or powerful and influential Libras - it's just to give an idea of what is strong about this sign. That's because some people really seem to enjoy saying it's not, just for the sake of it, the only example given as to why it's weak is the indecision. What we hate most is injustice or one-sided views. Indecision, ok - can be bad - every sign has weak points but those points are also their strengths as someone else mentioned earlier.

I don't realy believe there is a strongest sign, since there are all types of strength and each sign exemplifies superior qualifies to different strengths, but I can say very confidently that Libra is one of the most influential: Libra is cardinal - it initiates, it takes action; it's focused outward, on others - it relates, it projects, extroverted actions, and it's air - communication, intelligence. Now if someone asked what sign is most most maternal everyone would say Cancer, but it doesn't mean a Virgo mom can't have just as much maternal qualities or even more than a Cancer mom. People are a mix of signs.

OctGirl - I'm an October Libra myself. I'm glad you could relate. I think only a Libra Sun or Rising can know just how much strength this sign bestows on a person because in all honesty we like people to feel comfortable by being unintimidating, accomadting and accepting. We try hard to make that happen sometimes going overboard or making it a bad habit, becoming a meek and weak-willed sign. But hey, it happens to the best of signs (whichever they may be ;) )

ScorpiosRock - I can agree about Pisces females - all the ones I have known have been some of the strongest women I ever met. The males, not so sure, I have seen a few good examples and a few bad ones.

[iwonder]

Well, what is "strong" and "influential"?

Getting his/her way?
Being famous and therefore having a chance to be heard?
Overcoming obstacles whatever they are?
Surviving?
Being a hero, save lives?
Influence with work like writers, scientists and artists do?
Invent something like paper towels or sliced bread - it turned quite influential.

And it is not a particular sign. It is position/combination of planets and their aspects that can suggest how the person will act in the world.

[rogue_red]

hey guys what i meant was

i mean is i am doing my Post graduation, and here i see all the cancerians are very intelligent and have on average a wonder CGPA in addition they are very assertive and have principles of life and follow them whatever others may say. Earn respect with this attitutude.

Libras not as much great but they have depthness to a peak very stable people all of them.

i meant by this that all people within a zodiac are similar to some extent and there must be a specific zodiac sign which has the huge no of people with such qulaities, so it can be said thati you born under this zodiac sign you are very strong.

I think all signs are born with the potential for greatness and strength and it is up to the individual to utilise his or her strengths and overcome their weaknesses. This IMO determines strength. Remembering that all people enter this race with different starting points so we cant judge a winner by those first past the post. Like the saying goes "To whom much is given, much is required". Those born with innate strengths are expected to achieve much more than those born with fewer.
I look to my mother as an example here. Born with manner challenges in her chart, she has overcome the systematic and cruel torture from her mother, the brutality of my father, the addiction of alcohol and the loss of two children and a husband. To me she is stronger than King Kong.

Rogue

[wilsontc]

All,

Threads such as "Which is the best/fastest/strongest sign/planet/house?" always create a lot of discussion...and can create a lot of conflict between posters. Here a few guide rules to help keep the discussion lively and polite:

- This is only YOUR opinion - Be careful not to post it as if it was a "rule" of some kind.

- Respect OTHERS' opinions - Even if you disagree with someone else's opinion, let it go since this thread is all about what someone thinks and there is no astrologically "correct" answer.

- Respect others SIGNS - DO NOT attack any signs: saying, "I like this sign" does NOT mean you have to follow that with "...and I hate this sign". There are 12 signs and billions of people: saying you dislike a certain sign is going to upset a LOT of people all at once...so don't do it.

- If you get a great, new off-topic idea that you would love to discuss...please create a new thread. That makes sure the wishes of the thread poster are respected (who wants people to answer only their question), and that your great new idea gets a much LARGER number of people seeing and responding to it.

- If you want to make a personal comment to someone that is not astrological to follow up on some point that you are interested in, please PM them and do not post to the thread.

Following these guide rules will help make your posting experience more pleasant and enjoyable.

Moderately,

Tim

[gaer]

I think all signs are born with the potential for greatness and strength and it is up to the individual to utilise his or her strengths and overcome their weaknesses.

So true.

In fact one of the first things that all astrologers or "apprentice-sorcerer-astrologers" learn (thinking of Micky and the brooms from Fantasia;) ) is some kind of basic concept of the strengths and weaknesses of each sign.

In the end it's a bit like trying to figure out which of the four elements is most powerful. Then looking at the cardinal, fixed and mutable does much the same thing.

I like my own Libran balance. I think it's pretty strong. But without getting my butt kicked into gear now and then by a decisive Aries, I might never get anything done.

I think those that are trying to prove that their own sign (or most dominant sign in their chart) is better, stronger, more influential or just plain superior to others is simply on the wrong track. :)

[lillyjgc]

I've always thought all the signs were *equal* in that way- Equal but *different*. For strength in a chart (and I agree with everyone who reminded us that so much depends on definition here), I look for aspects and strong planetary placements *overall*. The jargon words for *strength* include the words *backbone*, (Saturn), *guts* (the moon),*intestinal fortitude* and as how we *act* is a Mars issue, I'd definitely look closely at mars.
My own definition of *strength* includes the ability to withstand or endure.
I'm quite astonished that a few people have proposed *Libra* as a *strong sign*. I often have observed that Librans tend to not resile from a conflict if they believe an injustice is occurring. Some would see this as a strength whilst others might see it as a combatative/negative placement.
Every sign is an essential component of the whole astrological picture.Every sign contributes its own positive and negative vibration.I'd rather look for the strength of a whole chart rather than trying to compare strengths between the signs.
Whether a Native will use his/her strength for good or ill often depends on the aspects and houses, rather than the signs.
Cheers,
Lillyjgc

[Dracula]

i got your point, that planets in the chart makes someone difernt, strong
like Getting his/her way? so i ll make a new thread for it

[OctGirl]

My own definition of *strength* includes the ability to withstand or endure.
I'm quite astonished that a few people have proposed *Libra* as a *strong sign*. I often have observed that Librans tend to not resile from a conflict if they believe an injustice is occurring. Some would see this as a strength whilst others might see it as a combatative/negative placement.

I myself am surprised to see Libra under 'strongest' - one of the strong - yes but adding EST I do not think is fair. Being strong about your convictions and standing up for it strength - when there is injustice, not backing away from using verbal combat (if needed) thou you are not predisposed to is a strength.

But I agree, the thread should be redefined - may strengths of all signs according to the perspective of the native or what you know really well adds to discussion than arguing who is the best.

[Leon]

anyways back on topic I'd go with Leo which is the natural position for the Sun or Capricorn. Cap's house is the 10th.

[adeli1]

Hi! I'm new to this fascinating group. This question got to me. It would depend on so many other things. First, what sign is strongest? In what? In resisting pressure? Or manipulating others? Cardinal are strongest to get going, fixed the strongest in sticking-to-in, and mutables the strongest in bending with the wind but not breaking. I think there's much to be said for Sun, Saturn, and Pluto being very strong planets (in making presence felt) and therefore, their signs, Leo, Capricorn, and Scorpio being considered very strong.

Military leaders - where's Mars in their chart and what's he doing?

Strongest in spiritual or invisible realms and pursuits therein? Lifting the most weight? You get the idea. Too much depends on the other chart conditions to break it down that way, IMHO.

Most planets in 1st or 10th, then 4th or 7th, then planets in essential dignity, then accidental dignity, etc.

I'll have to get back later on the individual charts. They each have their strong points!

Be back later...LH
:)

[The_Sundance_Kid]

Gaer, I only meant Scorpio in as much as Uranus is exalted in it and is associated with it. The focus is on Uranus.

I didn't consciously come up with a definition for powerful or influential, so I guess subconsciously (based on my previous post) I think power and influence stem from originality, individuality but coupled with a group ethic conscious of wider social repercussions, communication and social skills combined with an element of stubborness so one does not unwittingly flow with the tide.

And Uranus is also in my 2nd house, so maybe I think a decent Uranian energy is a good thing, making me partial. I wonder if the 2nd house has influenced other posts on this thread.

But bear in mind that Neptune is also in my 2nd house and I barely value it at all- eg the Neptune is a malefic thread.

[LaLibra]

...
And Uranus is also in my 2nd house, so maybe I think a decent Uranian energy is a good thing, making me partial. I wonder if the 2nd house has influenced other posts on this thread.

But bear in mind that Neptune is also in my 2nd house and I barely value it at all- eg the Neptune is a malefic thread.

I have Uranus and Neptune in the second as well.

[OctGirl]

I wonder if the 2nd house has influenced other posts on this thread.


I have Sun, Pluto and Mars in 2H in Libra.

[LesMiserables]

Aries, scorpio, leo, capricorn, aqua.

[BamAddams]

Every sign is strong and influential in its own sort of way. Once you get to know the signs better, you will know what I am talking about. All of them have their strengths, influences, and weaknesses.

[Dracula]

i have mars in scorpio

as far i have read Mars is the planet of war, and its dominion is aggression, passion, drive and desire. For that reason it rules the pure physical desire of sexuality. In Scorpio, it takes on an added emotional depth and intensity and a desire that is transformed from the purely physical to an intense need to lose oneself and become transformed in the process. Like the Phoenix which is one of Scorpio's symbols, the fire becomes so focused and burns so powerfully that we are turned to dust, and emerge anew from the rubble.

that sounds creepy rather being influential !!! dont you think

[Teb]

I am a leo with mars in scorpio. I am extremely confident and some days I am over-the-top!

But to answer the question I would say a very intelligent Male Leo -UNSTOPPABLE!:biggrin:

[Xibalba89]

I REALLY don't see why it matters. Know your chart. Lead your life.

[GreenMist]

In terms of strength I would choose Capricorn, Scorpio and Sag

In terms of influence it has to be Saggitarius and Pisces, no doubt:rightful:

[Frank]

Signs don't have strength at all - but the Luminaries and the Planets can, depending on Sign and In-Mundo placement.