The most dangerous zodiac sign?

[Dracula]

What do you think is the most dangerous zodiac sign? In aspects such as emotionally, physically and mentally.

Some people say Virgos, i am a virgo i feel bad but is it true

[Nexus7]

I think it takes more than just a sun sign to a dangerous person make.

What is it that makes Virgo a dangerous sign, Dracula?

I have some ideas of my own, but I would hear yours first.

[astrologer50]

firstly it begs the questions as to why you would be asking such a question, have you been abused? beaten? I would be most helpful if you were to post your chart for others to comment on as we are rather visual here.:rolleyes:

[lillyjgc]

Hi-I actually think it's *dangerous* to assign any sun sign with the power to *do* anything. It comes down to combinations of aspects.
I know beautiful and inspirational people of every sun sign. I know toxic and damaged people of every sun sign. So obviously its got a lot to do with the interplanetary patterns.A person with say sun in pisces might not behave in the *stereotypical piscean *way if they have a stellium in aries!
Whilst I believe no sun sign is *all good* or *all bad*, I do believe that Saturn operates very much as a malefic planet, in both natal and horary.As Mars controls how we act/respond etc, Mars aspects will certainly play a part.
Cheers
Lillyjgc

[Leon]

Can you name any famous Virgos that were considered public enemy by many?

I'm giving it to a fixed sign. See Napoleon and Hitler.

[rogue_red]

Considering a preponderence of serial killers have capricorn sun or moon you might be forgiven for thinking that cappy is the bad guy of the zodiac but i did so research into the research of astrological signatures. Common astrological themes that can be attributed to certain personality types. For serial killers i think it was something like leo sun or mars being prominent capricorn or pisces moon and mercury in scorpio was a biggie but scorpio sun or moon almost never showed up. Saturn in 1st house in over 35% and pluto in the northern half of chart with afflicted mars.
Now this is interesting but what i found even more interesting is that many, and i mean many famous people have these things and were extremely creative and sucessful.
So im going with the idea that certain signs in certain positions and signs denote a native with extreme power potential. As to whether its used for good or evil depends on whether the native was nurtured and taught to handle their power responsibly and whether the native chooses the transformative or destructive influence of such power.

Oh and i have a cappy moon with saturn in the first:0:

[Leon]

Considering a preponderence of serial killers have capricorn sun or moon you might be forgiven for thinking that cappy is the bad guy of the zodiac but i did so research into the research of astrological signatures. Common astrological themes that can be attributed to certain personality types. For serial killers i think it was something like leo sun or mars being prominent capricorn or pisces moon and mercury in scorpio was a biggie but scorpio sun or moon almost never showed up. Saturn in 1st house in over 35% and pluto in the northern half of chart with afflicted mars.
Now this is interesting but what i found even more interesting is that many, and i mean many famous people have these things and were extremely creative and sucessful.
So im going with the idea that certain signs in certain positions and signs denote a native with extreme power potential. As to whether its used for good or evil depends on whether the native was nurtured and taught to handle their power responsibly and whether the native chooses the transformative or destructive influence of such power.

Oh and i have a cappy moon with saturn in the first:0:I thought Gemini Suns win the serial killer award?:confused:

[Nexus7]

I can think of at least two serial killers who actually had very stronlgí Jupiterian charts, with Jupiter on the Ascendant, in the 12th. Moon/Saturn aspects tend to come up, too, though Mars/Saturn can also 'help.'

[Nexus7]

Anyway, there can be many ways in which you can be 'dangerous.' Socially, certain kinds of gossips can be very 'dangerous.'

A drunk driver is also dangerous. For example.

[Dracula]

thisi is my natal chart, am i dangerous person ?

[Dracula]

I think it takes more than just a sun sign to a dangerous person make.

What is it that makes Virgo a dangerous sign, Dracula?

I have some ideas of my own, but I would hear yours first.

virgo's cuz you never know what the hell their thinking,

[Leon]

thisi is my natal chart, am i dangerous person ?If you're asking whether you're dangerous or not on an Astrology forum then you aren't.

[Dracula]

^^ i normally do not fight, but i get angry very quickly some and you have my chart tell me
then i will tell you. :)

[Caprising]

Everyone has the potential to be dangerous, if your having wierd thoughts or impulses draccy, then a chat with a mental health professional might help to clear things up for you.

[Leon]

^^ i normally do not fight, but i get angry very quickly some and you have my chart tell me
then i will tell you. :)What makes you think you're dangerous then? Lots of people have quick tempers, and "bad thoughts". It doesn't mean anything if you don't act on it.

[Dracula]

so in my chart i dont have such things,

saturn etc in 1st house like it, no aspects which could support such a reaction from me ?

[rogue_red]

I can think of at least two serial killers who actually had very stronlgí Jupiterian charts, with Jupiter on the Ascendant, in the 12th. Moon/Saturn aspects tend to come up, too, though Mars/Saturn can also 'help.'

Yup sag and cap feature the most.
For the research, go here:) http://www.astrologyresearchjournal.org/article101704/index.htm

[rogue_red]

thisi is my natal chart, am i dangerous person ?

Nope, you're just deluded (sun squared neptune in 12th) and egotistical (moon in leo):D

Im joking:rolleyes:

[dperez3894]

Considering a preponderence of serial killers have capricorn sun or moon you might be forgiven for thinking that cappy is the bad guy of the zodiac but i did so research into the research of astrological signatures. Common astrological themes that can be attributed to certain personality types. For serial killers i think it was something like leo sun or mars being prominent capricorn or pisces moon and mercury in scorpio was a biggie but scorpio sun or moon almost never showed up. Saturn in 1st house in over 35% and pluto in the northern half of chart with afflicted mars.
Now this is interesting but what i found even more interesting is that many, and i mean many famous people have these things and were extremely creative and sucessful.
So im going with the idea that certain signs in certain positions and signs denote a native with extreme power potential. As to whether its used for good or evil depends on whether the native was nurtured and taught to handle their power responsibly and whether the native chooses the transformative or destructive influence of such power.

Oh and i have a cappy moon with saturn in the first:0:
It all depends on a person's intent toward life is;

If their intent is good, they can be a positive person in life like Abraham Lincoln or Arnold Schwarzenegger. Both of them have Capricorn moons.

If their intent is evil, they'll turn out to be a negative person who makes a lot of trouble in the world like Napoleon Bonaparte and Adolf Hitler. Both of them had Capricorn moons.

[rogue_red]

It all depends on a person's intent toward life is;

If their intent is good, they can be a positive person in life like Abraham Lincoln or Arnold Schwarzenegger. Both of them have Capricorn moons.

If their intent is evil, they'll turn out to be a negative person who makes a lot of trouble in the world like Napoleon Bonaparte and Adolf Hitler. Both of them had Capricorn moons.

Yeah i dont think intent really counts for too much. I intended to give up smoking in 1991 *inhales deeply*...:D

I really dont believe children decide ohhh i want to murder millions etc. Their births charts dont change and i dont think the good vs evil arguement really stands. Adolph hitler probably really believed he was doing the right thing. Now im not stickin g up for the guy cos he was definately a sandwich short of a picnic! Im just saying that people are infinately complex people with a multitude of motivations for the things they do. Intentions can be deceptive, thoughts can be deceptive emotions can be deceptive. More deaths and crimes have been commited in the belief that they are doing good than has ever been commited by those proporting evil.

[Dracula]

So I Am Just Normal Person, What About My Sex Life, Would I Be Abusive Or Anything Wrong On This Subject.

[rogue_red]

So I Am Just Normal Person, What About My Sex Life, Would I Be Abusive Or Anything Wrong On This Subject.

Drac, you are as normal as anyone of us.;)

With the ruler of your fifth house (sex for pleasure) being venus in the 8th in virgo i think you have quite an intensity about sex and realtionships. Mars is in scorpio in the beneficial 11th house so although you may have an explosive temper (mars conj uranus) which frightens you i dont see any reason why you should have any issues with being abusive toward your sexual partner.
I know you have a very clear idea of the perfect woman for you and venus in virgo can make finding the perfect woman difficult as you are constantly disappointed when she isnt the woman you thought she was. You may be attracted to intense sexual experiences, maybe even sexual fantasies regarding bondage, s&m or dom/sub type activities but if you have a willing partner there is nothing abnormal or wrong about this. In relationships you seek a level of nurturing that you probably didnt get from your mother. Your mother may have been overly protective, domineering or controlling but its more likely that it may have been your father who was this way toward your mother so you seek to protect and nurture those you love. Dont be afraid of repeating history. You are not your parents, you are your own person with your own life to live.:)

[natasa812]

The secret of the 18o degree (by Nikola Stojanovic, Serbian astrologer)

The Sun eclipse happens at the 18o degree at Leon and the ruler of the Leon is Sun

The man who made the atomic bomb (Openheimer 22.04.1904., 20:00, EST 73W57, 40N45) has his AC at 18o degree Scorpio, the cup of the 8o house (death) at 18o degree Twins.
The man who made the decision to use for the first time in the history of the man kind so powerful weapon (American president Harry Truman 08.05.1884., 16:17, CST, 94W16, 37N30) has his Sun (decision) at 18o degree of Taurus.
The date of the explosion was 06.08.1945. 08:16:40 AM, JST 132E27, 34N24). AC of this event was at the 18o degree Virgo and at the 18o degree Cancer were Moon and Saturn.

The ``ruler from the shadow`` David Rockefeller (12.06.1915., 00:12 AM, EST, 73W57, 40N45) has his AC at the 18o degree Pisces (shadow).

The ``Angel of death`` or ``Dr Satan`` - Dr. Mengele (16.03.1911., 11:44 AM, CET, 10E16, 48N27) has his Neptune, the ruler of his Sun, at Pisces, at 18o degree of Cancer.

Charles Manson, also called the ``murderer Satan`` (16.03.1911., 11:44 AM, CET, 10E16, 48N27) murderer of the famous actress Sharon Teit – the wife of the famous director Polanski, has the Venus – the ruler of his AC at 18o degree Scorpio and his 6o house begins at 18o degree Virgo.

Leopold the II (09.04.1835., 22:22, LMT 04E20, 50N50) the Belgian king (1869-1909) who was known as the most barbarous colonizer in Africa (Congo), was personally responsible for mass killings of the local people: he used to ``hunt`` their children, cut the parts of the body of his servants and he killed his mistresses just for not liking their hair cut. The ruler of his AC, is Mars and is at the 18. degree of Cancer.

Now, the main character from the film ``Silence of the lambs`` existed. His name was Edward Gain (borne 27.08.1906., 23:16, CST, 91W14, 43N48). His house was full of ``souvenirs`` just like in the movie, his mother was very dominant forbidding him to see a girl or to have normal personal life, after her death, he went to live at a farm where he studded anatomy books and ``collected`` everything that the character in the film above did. At the year 1954 he committed his firs crime and the second one at the 16. of November 1957. His AC was at 18. degree of Twins and Venus (love, woman) at 18 degree of Libra at his 5. house.



Those are some of examples about the aspects and planets at the 18. degree which is (by the astrologer above) a ``dangerous one`` because the Sun eclipse happens at the 18o degree at Leon and the ruler of the Leon is Sun, so, when there is no Sun, the dark comes at have its chance to perform.
I only translated the text, there are more articles about the 2. and the 5. degree (which are also important), but those are for another post (and I don’t have much time at the moment).

VERY IMPORTANT:
THIS IS HIS OPINION AND I TRANSLATED THE TEXT. MY KNOWLEDGE IS QUITE RESTRICTED TO SUPPORT THIS OR ANY OTHER THEORY.
Natasa

[astro.teacher]

Violently dangerous signs are of course associated with the bestial or feral signs; Aries, Taurus, Leo, the last part of Sagittarius and Capricorn. Gemini, Virgo, Libra and Aquarius are all humane signs therefore are not (as) violent in behavior than the feral. I would specifically look towards the Ascendant. I have to say though that Scorpio is probably in my opinion, the most dangerous. It not only has the danger of Mars (as Aries has) but its a nocturnal sign and therefore its actions are hidden. Scorpio rules over those who poison, spies, death and decomposition.

[Lissa]

I personally think it's more a matter of dangerous aspects than dangerous signs,but I think Aries has all the potential to become an explosive bomb.They're temperamental and impulsive enough to act on their whims!

[estrella]

This is one of those questions that can't really be answered quickly or easily. I think seeing this in someone's chart would be complex and would require looking at several things. I would check to see what is going on with Mars (aggression) Pluto, and Saturn-what aspects are happening, etc.. I would look at Mercury and maybe Neptune for possible mental health issues. There are others that I'm just not thinking of right now............ As far as sun sign generalities-I've read that Cancers are the most likely to kill people in their own family. I think the best way to learn astrology is to do case studies-so Dracs, maybe you could learn by looking at the charts of some crazy killers.

[Inside Out Orange]

When I first took a course in astrology, my teacher said that Librans were the most likely to be serial killer psychopaths. Something along the lines of the scales tipping to much in one direction.

As per estrella's comment ... I think you'll find dangerous people born under every sign of the zodiac. Certain placements or aspects will lend themselves more readily to certain things.

If you assume dangerous is the result of deluded thinking every sign is probably capable of it ... Aries - to be the first and most important; Taurus - to protect their values (which may be twisted); Gemini - hmmm ... not sure why they would but probably a projection of their twins' feelings; Cancer - to protect themselves or family; Leo - for pride; Virgo - to rid the world of the imperfect ... etc, etc ...

[estrella]

When I first took a course in astrology, my teacher said that Librans were the most likely to be serial killer psychopaths. Something along the lines of the scales tipping to much in one direction.

As per estrella's comment ... I think you'll find dangerous people born under every sign of the zodiac. Certain placements or aspects will lend themselves more readily to certain things.

If you assume dangerous is the result of deluded thinking every sign is probably capable of it ... Aries - to be the first and most important; Taurus - to protect their values (which may be twisted); Gemini - hmmm ... not sure why they would but probably a projection of their twins' feelings; Cancer - to protect themselves or family; Leo - for pride; Virgo - to rid the world of the imperfect ... etc, etc ...

I agree. Each sign, depending on aspects and several other factors would freak out for their own reasons in their own style. Scorpio for revenge..etc...etc...This would be such an intricate thing in the person's chart, and would involve several factors acting together. I would look into the person's 12th house to see if there is anything significant going on there subconsciously...for example; OJ Simpson has Saturn and Pluto conjunct in his 12th house, with some interesting aspects to it. Deep psychological issues can arise from the 12th-which is something to look at in the case of "dangerous people".

[rogue_red]

i have read an astrological research about killer,rapist and moon in aries- sun in aries are the most common so aries

Can you provide a link to such research as all the research i have read does not support this.

[rogue_red]

I personally think it's more a matter of dangerous aspects than dangerous signs,but I think Aries has all the potential to become an explosive bomb.They're temperamental and impulsive enough to act on their whims!

This is a little simplistic. Aries are reactive but the explosion is quick and forgotton, they are the least likely to bear a grudge and their naivety and positive outlook makes them least likely to be a serial killer which requires the native to plan and exact out devastating actions, Aries maybe the most likely to commit crimes of passion but not serial murder.
Check this out.

Now 44 charts does not a research project make; however it seemed to be enough to get an idea if something was going to show up. Here are some of the things that I found:
Thirty-one out of forty-four had sun or moon in Sagittarius or Capricorn. That's 74%. And while Gemini sun-signs stood out, only four of the Gemini's were not included in the Sagittarius/Capricorn moon group.
I suspected that I would find "signatures" that described men who were very intense, such as an emphasis of Moon in Scorpio. To my surprise, not one of these killers had Moon in Scorpio!
From a statistical perspective I realized that it was not important to know the interpretative value of my findings, but of course I was curious and gave it considerable thought. I decided that I should look at my findings from a statistical perspective only – do up a profile and without interpreting the profile, have some data with which to prove a significant fact. If for example, I was going to work with the police department and go through a list of suspects, I could prioritize or categorize things based on the astrological profile that I was attempting to create.
None of these people had the Moon in Scorpio. Was I surprised? You bet I was! In fact, only 9% had the Moon in a fixed sign. Only two people had the Sun in Scorpio.
There was only one Aquarius Moon; no Aquarian Suns.
I also found that 32% had the ruler of the ascendant in either Sagittarius or Capricorn. Everything kept going back to those same two signs.
In 41% of the cases the Moon was either the highest, most elevated or the lowest planet in the chart. Even though the interpretation of this may not be significant from a statistical perspective, the FBI profile of serial murderers places a strong emphasis on a dysfunctional family and issues around the mother (there I go interpreting).
Saturn was the most elevated planet in 25% of the charts. The Capricorn, Saturn, Moon, emphasis seem to be a strong signature. The mean-average of Saturn rising or in the 12th house would be 16%. In 38.5% of serial murders it was here.
For the Moon phases, 77.3% had the Sun and Moon within 45 degrees of the new or full moon. That was in both directions. Basically we are dealing with incredible differences. The first quarter phase and the third quarter phase were not well represented in the charts. I have heard that there are more people born at the time of the full moon than at any other phase. I don't know if that is true or if any study has actually been made about that but it is something that should be considered before drawing any conclusions.
I did find that the Mars-Sun angle seemed to be significant. Of these people, 56.8% were born when the Sun was within 45 degrees on either side of Mars. On a mean-average it is about 25%. We are finding more than double of what we should expect to find.
55.4% had Pluto between the ascendant and the MC. That is interesting from an interpretive perspective. Pluto has to do with what we are living out in terms of where we are on the social evolutionary cycle of things, and how we, as individuals, are contributing to either the evolution or destruction of mankind. 73% had Pluto in the northern half of the chart.
I suspected to find more of the personal planets retrograde, because retrogrades ask us to look at who we are and understand how we differ from the masses. I was surprised to discover no significant emphasis of retrogrades. On the average, 19% of all people have Mercury retrograde in their charts. 22.7% of the serial murderers did. Not enough to be significant. On an average 37.5% of the people have Saturn retrograde in their charts. 50% of the serial murderers did. From my calculations 41.6% of the people had Uranus retrograde and 59% of the serial murderers had Neptune retrograde. I expected to find an emphasis of Venus and Mars retrograde. Actually they were retrograde less frequently than average. However, I did find an interesting emphasis of Mars and Venus in New and Balsamic phase, while none of these people had this planetary pair in full phase.
http://www.astrodatabank.com/as/reswickenburg.htm

This article is interesting in its research data as well.

http://www.astrologyresearchjournal.org/article82702_1/index.htm

[Inside Out Orange]

i have found the link u asked me for here it is http://www.astrologyresearchjournal.org/article101704/index.htm
(http://www.astrologyresearchjournal.org/article101704/index.htm)

I assume that link is related to your previous assertion ...
i have read an astrological research about killer,rapist and moon in aries- sun in aries are the most common so aries


Well ... I don't think it says that at all ...

It's part 2 of a study. In the first one they examined placement for 60 subjects, then this study adds data for another 38 giving a total of 108. The overall results are shown in Table V (down at the bottom).

Aries ranks:
- 4th among Sun Signs (Cap/Gemini - 13, Sag - 12, Aries 10).
- 6th among Moon signs (Cap -13, Sag/Pis - 12, Lib - 11, Vir - 10, Ari - 9).

Average for each of the 12 signs in a study of 108 is 9, so Aries is exceedingly average in this.

Also it's a study "of murderers, serial killers, and mass murderers" ... three of the featured group are rapists, but that's irrelevant to this study. We don't know whether they have Aries Suns or Moons.

As an aside ... the placement that seems to be very high is Mercury in Scorpio ... 19 of 108 cases ... double the expected average. There'll be a few Sun Sign Sag's with that placement!

[natasa812]

Dear Inside Out Orange, with all respect, you are wrong (as the most of you on this Forum). In statistics - which hapened to be the subject of my studies, if we want to use it in a wrong way, we do it like this: we take 5 people (taking a certain number out of the ``whole`` is called an sample of a population), 4 of them are making 100 euros per month, and one of them 4.600 euros per month. Average result gives as as follows: statisticly, in this..... country, an average payment per month is 1.000 euros so everyone is HAPPY (5.000/5 = 1.000).

If you have a population example below 30, than you have to use the called ``student`` distribution (it is the line between the x and y in function), than you calculate (since your test sample is SMALL) the procent of your statistical error or else called the a of truth. If the sample is above 30, than you use another formula to calculate the procent you want to find (how many people of my test sample are dangeourus) AND the procent of your error. And if you have a large test sample of the population, than you use another (the third one) formula. The test sample is ALWAYS related to the number of people in a population. And the result is ALWAYS APROXIMATLY with the possible error + - 2 % or + - 5% for example. We NEVER have an exact (sory Virgos) result or could be for 100% sure since it is INPOSIBLE to test ALL the people in the world population. Now, if we are talking about Aries, it is 1/12 of the world population, aproximatly 500 000 000 000 (five hundred milion people). We need to take a HUGE test example or, in other case, our result will have a HUGE error %. So, as a solution, if we want to examine this subject corectly and their natal charts, than, we have to take the SAME number of each sign and to see how many of them are dangerous or vilent (what aspect is there in their chart) OR we could take a RANDOM SAMPLE with another % of error (and random signs selected with different % of participation for each sign).
Best regards
Natasa

[Inside Out Orange]

Dear Inside Out Orange, with all respect, you are wrong (as the most of you on this Forum).

Hi natasa ... how specifically am I wrong? Are you perhaps suggesting the methodology of the study is wrong? It seems reasonable to me, having used control groups which allow for the random sample you're saying it needs.

[natasa812]

Yes, you are right, I belive that the study (or the methodology of it) is wrong or the information about it is insufficient because as it was said at the end

The Claim being made for this Study:
This is a work still in progress so no claim is being made (or can be made) as to whether or not there is any validity to astrology. The claim I do make is that this method (comparing objectively observable horoscope features, such as angles between planets and midpoints, with objectively observable phenomena in the lives of people, e.g. murder) is a valid way to put astrology to the test. Further results will be reported as obtained.

Appendix:
The Supporting Data used for this Study (http://www.astrologyresearchjournal.org/article82702_1/supporting_docs.htm). This section exhibits the astrological charts and the tables used to perform this research. (NO STATISTICAL INFORMATION AT THIS LINK - ONLY NAMES AND ASPECTS)

and there is no reference about statistical error and the sample is too small so we can generate like this.
And I am sorry, I wanted to say that your conclusions based on a study like this could be wrong if (probably) the study is wrong.
I did not have time (yet) to read it in detail. I will, and I`ll reply again later.

Sorry again
Best regards
Natasa

[rogue_red]

i have found the link u asked me for here it is http://www.astrologyresearchjournal.org/article101704/index.htm
(http://www.astrologyresearchjournal.org/article101704/index.htm)

you may need to reread your material as Aries doesnt feature at all. the top 3 sun signs of serial killers is gemini, capricorn and saggitarius. for moon signs its cap, pisces, sag, libra and virgo.

[rogue_red]

Yes, you are right, I belive that the study (or the methodology of it) is wrong or the information about it is insufficient because as it was said at the end

The Claim being made for this Study:
This is a work still in progress so no claim is being made (or can be made) as to whether or not there is any validity to astrology. The claim I do make is that this method (comparing objectively observable horoscope features, such as angles between planets and midpoints, with objectively observable phenomena in the lives of people, e.g. murder) is a valid way to put astrology to the test. Further results will be reported as obtained.

Appendix:
The Supporting Data used for this Study (http://www.astrologyresearchjournal.org/article82702_1/supporting_docs.htm). This section exhibits the astrological charts and the tables used to perform this research. (NO STATISTICAL INFORMATION AT THIS LINK - ONLY NAMES AND ASPECTS)

and there is no reference about statistical error and the sample is too small so we can generate like this.
And I am sorry, I wanted to say that your conclusions based on a study like this could be wrong if (probably) the study is wrong.
I did not have time (yet) to read it in detail. I will, and I`ll reply again later.

Sorry again
Best regards
Natasa


Hi Natasha,
Firstly inside out orange and myself are not debating the validity of the research involved but rather were simply pointing out to mr hyde that his reference to the material was incorrect.

Secondly, you seem to have over looked the obvious and dived straight into the abstract. The study, in fact any study, is really only hypothetical because there are too many variables involved to accurately obtain any statistics from any source regarding the astrological signatures of murderers, serial killers and mass murderers.
For example, the idea that the odds of a particular planet being in any particular house or sign by random chance alone is approximately 1/12, is hugely flawed. Looking to the ascending signs alone, it is reasonable (but inaccurate) to assume that each of the 12 signs has an 8.33% chance (1 in 12) of being on the horizon at any given point of the day.
In reality latitude affects the length of time it takes for certain signs to rise so instead of a person having an 8.33% chance of say aries rising, these figures can vary from as little as 2% through to 14%. So straight away we have an anomily that will interfer with the results. The amount of time a planet travels through a sign also varies from location to location so to say that a majority of serial killers have mercury in scorpio is invalid unless we can prove that all people regardless of time and place of birth have equal opportunity to have merc in scorpio.
Then we would need to look at the number of live births to still borns of all the countries where subjects are taken from because many more babies with merc in scorp may have been born (or not) but due to poor socio-economical environments they had a higher rate of infant mortality thus perverting the natural occurance of sk's or mm's.
The variables are endless so any study is pretty much moot. Statistics are really just a numbers game and their validity in any area is highly suspect IMO.
In all honesty no one can answer as to which sign is more dangerous but it was fun to debate the issue as it actually helps us to look at all signs from a different perspective.

Rogue Red

[natasa812]

You are right Rogue Red, I must admit that I did not read it in detail since it was enough for me just to see the luck of statistical error % and a small test sample to reject it.
But, I think it is worth trying to find a way to predict or at least to have strong indicators about those issues.
Interesting tread, keep it like this...
Best regards
Natasa

[Inside Out Orange]

For example, the idea that the odds of a particular planet being in any particular house or sign by random chance alone is approximately 1/12, is hugely flawed. Looking to the ascending signs alone, it is reasonable (but inaccurate) to assume that each of the 12 signs has an 8.33% chance (1 in 12) of being on the horizon at any given point of the day.

I must admit I instantly discounted any Ascendent / house type stuff purely because it is dependent on an accurate time of birth, and different house systems give different results.

The amount of time a planet travels through a sign also varies from location to location so to say that a majority of serial killers have mercury in scorpio is invalid unless we can prove that all people regardless of time and place of birth have equal opportunity to have merc in scorpio.

Really? I know Mercury moves quickly and goes between direct and retrogade action three(?) times each year, but over a period of years I woud have thought averages the same amount of time in each sign. It's not like Pluto which has an ellipitical orbits and therefore the number of years in each sign is different.

[rogue_red]

I must admit I instantly discounted any Ascendent / house type stuff purely because it is dependent on an accurate time of birth, and different house systems give different results.



Really? I know Mercury moves quickly and goes between direct and retrogade action three(?) times each year, but over a period of years I woud have thought averages the same amount of time in each sign. It's not like Pluto which has an ellipitical orbits and therefore the number of years in each sign is different.

Hmmm i could be wrong on the planet thru signs bit but im sure i read that over here, the signs capricorn thru to cancer take longer to cross the ecliptic than in the north or something. I'll have to have a look and post back:D

[rogue_red]

Ok so what i found out is that it takes 22 days for merc to go thru aquarius, 18 days for pisces, 15 for aries, 22 for taurus and 33 for gem (due to retro). just from this alone we can see that more people will be born with merc in gem than mer in aries at a ration of 1:2, Makes things interesting.:)

[Inside Out Orange]

Ok so what i found out is that it takes 22 days for merc to go thru aquarius,

Have you based those numbers on what's happening in 2009? Take a look at 2008 ... Mercury was in Aquarius from 9-Jan to 14-Mar ... that's over 2 months ... 60 days or so. In 2007, Mer in Aq was there for about 37 days in two periods due to retrograde back from Pisces. Like I say, over a period of years I'd expect the time spent in each sign to come to an average 1/12 of the year.

What you do have is that depending on one's latitiude, different signs spend less time on the eastern horizon. So in the Northern hemisphere, Aries is only there for 50 minutes while Libra is there for 2 hours. It's the opposite in the Southern. But obviously that doesn't specifically affect planets in a particular sign. This year, Mercury will enter into Scorpio on the 27 Oct GMT regardless of your position on the planet, just the date/time may differ due to time zones.

Edit: 2005 ... Merc in Aries ... 5th-Mar to 11-May ... 67 days ... Merc in Gemini ... 28-May to 10-Jun ... 15 days.

[rogue_red]

Have you based those numbers on what's happening in 2009? Take a look at 2008 ... Mercury was in Aquarius from 9-Jan to 14-Mar ... that's over 2 months ... 60 days or so. In 2007, Mer in Aq was there for about 37 days in two periods due to retrograde back from Pisces. Like I say, over a period of years I'd expect the time spent in each sign to come to an average 1/12 of the year.

What you do have is that depending on one's latitiude, different signs spend less time on the eastern horizon. So in the Northern hemisphere, Aries is only there for 50 minutes while Libra is there for 2 hours. It's the opposite in the Southern. But obviously that doesn't specifically affect planets in a particular sign. This year, Mercury will enter into Scorpio on the 27 Oct GMT regardless of your position on the planet, just the date/time may differ due to time zones.

Edit: 2005 ... Merc in Aries ... 5th-Mar to 11-May ... 67 days ... Merc in Gemini ... 28-May to 10-Jun ... 15 days.

Yeah i just used current merc placements, but this in itself is enough for me to not really take the research to heart. As far as latitude goes, house placement and ascendant are all pretty much moot.:)

[twiggy]

Dracula

To me, this chart definately could belong to someone who could do much harm and will have to decide between good and evil. With Mars in scorpio in 11H you are prepared to die, lead and fight and sacrifice yourself for the cause. Not saying this is wrong, Better make sure the cause is just. Neptune in 12 H in SAG could see you merge yourself and dissolve your boundaries with that cause or idea. Sun in Virgo in 9H could see you devote yourself to an idea or religion and identify with it. I know Libras with a sometimes fierce temper so Pluto, Saturn and Mercury here will need to be harnessed into seeing both sides, Law, diplomacy arbitration and harmonising.The moon in Leo a need to be seen and recognised. The planets all in the upper hemisphere so a life dealing with the public. I think a great chart, sort of a dignity to it as long as the individual choses to direct the passion for a higher purpose.

Twigs

[Xibalba]

Can you name any famous Virgos that were considered public enemy by many?

I'm giving it to a fixed sign. See Napoleon and Hitler.

Hitler: Aries (:eek:)

Napoleon: Leo (:rolleyes:)

[Mr stellium]

Hitler: Aries (:eek:)

Napoleon: Leo (:rolleyes:) Hitler was a Taurus

[Sagmoon]

This thread should be refered to the stereotypes of the sign. I don't think there should even be a question like that, really... It must be pisces, with a huge libra influence lol. Hope I didn't spoil the discussion, but couldn't resist, cancer ascendant, yeah I'm sure you understand... might delete this later if I don't get censored...

[Mr stellium]

This is a humorous article about how each sign might go about killing someone... Credit for the article is to venus1206 who posted it on scribd.com:
Aries
An Aries will kill you for a matter of principle. And when he does, well, it will be in some
contest of arms or wits, and the Aries will turn out to be undisputed master of whatever piece
of cutlery is singing its way into your black heart. This will inevitably be an unpleasant
surprise for you.
You will not have much time to talk your way out of being chopped up by some cutlass
wielding Aries. They usually start by cutting off your ears, then your nose. Falling to your
knees and begging for mercy will not work until after you lose a few body parts. Aries likes
proof they are better, and nothing works better than seeing your ears on the ground. But after
that, you have a good slim chance.
Aries will leave your segmented remains in a steaming, gory pile for the buzzards. Aries is
rarely prosecuted for murder because of their original methods of dispatch and brazen
methods. The police admire this sort of excellence and usually just throw up their hands and
keep the evidence photos for office parties.
Taurus
A Taurus will kill you for all the traditional reasons: money, sex, and revenge. In this, they are
predictable, which is good. Unfortunately, the average Taurus has unnatural reserves of
strength in their bodies, which makes being strangled an unpleasant possibility. If you are
unlucky, the Taurus you inspire to murder you will have some sort of military training. This
will greatly reduce your chances of survival. Even the boy scout trained Taurus is an efficient
killing machine. For some reason, the Air Force trained Taurus are the most lethal.
There is not much you can do to stop Taurus once he has decided to pull your arm out of the
socket. Reason is futile. Threats of revenge will just make him angrier and make your last
moments more painful. You have a slim hope with bribery, but, again, this could backfire and
turn the swift murdering Taurus into a extended torture session with you and your money as
the star attraction. There is something in the Taurus personality that is a pirate, and it is best
left dormant.
Practical Taurus will use your steaming remains to make something beautiful. This usually
means compost and bone meal for the garden. It appeals to their concept of universal order
that something so vile (you) are now making strong stems and healthy leaves for the roses and
carrots. Your scrotum will most likely be made into a tobacco pouch, and your giblets made
into sandwiches for the homeless. Taurus is rarely punished for murder as there is rarely any
evidence left, and they are generous to investigating detectives with Cuban cigars, wine and
sandwiches. Raymond Burr is a Taurus.
Gemini
A Gemini will kill you for somehow tricking them. As Gemini are a very intellectually mobile
sign, you probably will not know what you have done. It could be cheating at Scrabble, or
trying to lose at Scrabble, or not cheating enough at Scrabble to give Gemini some
competition because you always lose at Scrabble. As for method, Gemini will usually favor
whatever technique or device they have last seen on Serial Killer Week on The Crime
Channel. Ideally, Gemini would just give you some amusing, but cleverly erroneous driving
directions that take you to some gang banger headquarters in a car the wrong color. Usually,
Gemini just puts out a contract on your head, taking advantage of their extensive pen pal
connections through their Prison Friends magazine subscription.
You can usually talk a Gemini into not having you killed. They find the idea of being Judge
and Jury rather fun. This may backfire if they get a taste for it and become serial killers with
you as a required prop in the psychodrama.
If you do die, you will likely end up in a landfill. Gemini inevitably ends up in prison for
murder, too.
Cancer
Like all of the water signs, a Cancer will kill you for obscure emotional slights. They are very
emotionally sensitive and not good communicators of their feelings, so you will usually not
realize that they are planning to kill you. As for method, Cancer comes in two varieties …
either they want you to die quickly and painlessly, or slowly and in great torment. Poisons
figure prominently in their planning, as do some form of being sealed up or buried alive. If
they are really angry, they will burst into tears and call you names as they shovel dirt onto
your face.
Even the most inept wordsmith can talk his way out of being killed by a Cancer. A simple
abject apology, with lots of tears and wailing, can work wonders. Emphasis should be on
being sorry for hurting their feelings, and understanding how you slighted them, rather than
talk of punishment or your right to live. Grovel and eat dirt.
Cancer likes to make a thoughtful shrine somewhere close to where your body is preserved in
some way. They can visit and recall all the good times you shared together, and repress any
negative memories of your cold blooded murder at their hands. Unless your mummified
corpse is found some decades after the fact, Cancer will escape punishment. Generally, the
police buy whatever flimsy excuses and cheap alibi Cancer dishes out. It is too much
paperwork to prosecute, and besides, Cancer will provide a lifetime of premium coffee and
home baked treats to the Detective lucky enough to hold your file.
Leo
A Leo will kill you for just being in the way. This is an easily predictable position in life, so
your Leo enemies, though many, are not likely to get you by surprise. The Leo prefers some
form of public slaying, preferably with an admiring crowd, which is, if you think about it,
impractical. Just stay away from public places with the Leos you have humiliated and you
should be fine.
It is hard to avoid death at the hands of a Leo once his fingers are around your windpipe. You
are the villain, and there is not much you can do to save yourself. Pleading for mercy, or
appeals to reason, or offers of money, or divine retribution just seem to make Leo more angry,
and your death will take longer in the bargain. If you can act like a blubbering coward, this
helps. Kissing the ground before their feet is a proven life saver.
Your body will be left to rot where it falls. Leo will get sent to prison, where he will do just
fine, perhaps writing a novel and getting a university degree. Leo will not suffer much in
prison, which is not much of a consolation.
Virgo
A Virgo will decide to kill you for being somehow unclean. As Virgo is a somewhat
inscrutable sign, this concept of unclean varies from individual to individual. So, whatever
you did will be a surprise. Being an Earth sign, Virgo likes to plan your murder, perhaps doing
additional research and some experimentation. Virgos are expert users of poison and vicious
animals. Expect to find Asbestos in your air conditioner, or a coral snake in your shower.
If you have your wits about you, you can play along with the whole denial thing Virgos have
going on about their plans to kill you. Just deny that the scorpion in your shoe is an attempt on
your life, but rather an amusing coincidence of nature. Be sure to laugh. Virgo finds it hard to
bludgeon people who are laughing.
Virgo tends to get away with murder as it is almost impossible to prove that they did it. They
do their homework well and most Detectives are too lazy to do the footwork to put the
average Virgo behind bars.
Libra
A Libra will decide to kill you for being ‘unfair’, or worst of all, for disagreeing with them..
As Libra live in a rarefied ivory tower of obligation and rituals reminiscent of the Byzantine
Empire, you are pretty much doomed to not live up to their standards. As for method of
murder, Libra is certainly the most lethal in that they are the most practical when it comes to
snuffing out living things. The Libra will select the most efficient method, and of all the signs,
this is the most to be feared.
You can usually talk you way out of certain death at the hands of a Libra by groveling and
admitting how wrong you were and how right they are. When your abject confession of the
astounding truth of their logic is made clear, Libra is less likely to have you cast into the pit of
lime. After all, you are one of the too few members of humanity who see reason, their reason,
and now have more value then one of the grubby nay saying peasants.
If you do die at their hands, you will usually get a decent funeral. Libra is master of forgery,
and a simple set of cooked death certificates is no problem for the flying pen of Libra. It will
be a nice funeral, too. Much better than you deserve, you bum.
Scorpio
Poor Scorpio gets a bad reputation as some sort of serial killer. Actually, they just get caught
the most, being emotional and abandoning reason and good crime craft when they go about
snuffing enemies and rivals. A Scorpio, being an emotional water sign, will plot to kill you if
you cheat him in a business deal, or you mess with someone he loves. Pretty mundane, when
you think about it. Scorpios do favor some form of slow and painful method for killing, and
they do like to watch. Ideally, they like to watch your face when they strangle you, but most
Scorpios have a delicate constitution and don’t have the strength to match their burning will
power for a good throttling. So, if you do face a homicidal Scorpio, he will usually have a
gun, sometimes a crossbow. They will wound you first, then deliver some sort of speech.
During the speech is your time to save yourself. You have to convince the crossbow wielding
Scorpio that you are getting what you deserve because you are scum. If you can convince the
Scorpio that you are more miserable than they are, that your riches are empty pleasures, that
sex is meaningless, that all your treasures are bitter, you just might escape your fate.
If you fail, you die. You will be left to rot. Scorpio inevitably ends up in prison, anyway, but
they have a spiritual and intellectual rebirth. They become stronger and better in prison, which
is not much of a consolation.
Sagittarius
This fire sign has an idealistic concept of rights and obligations so you are certain to offend
them in some way. As most Sagittauri are some form of legal groupie, you can be assured that
you will be barraged with Building code and Bylaw infractions as a warning that you have
pissed off some Sag. If it turns ugly, expect to be framed. Sag is a master of framing people.
So when you find the crime boss’s missing accounting ledger in your briefcase, along with a
business card from the local FBI, you can expect a heavy knock on your door soon after. Sag
really doesn’t like killing people, so putting them away in prison for life for a crime they did
not commit is more their style. They get better at this as they get older and more experienced.
Sag rarely confronts his victims, unless he has some sort of religious background. You then
must fall to your knees and play along. Guard your tongue and restrict yourself to pleas for
mercy and confessions of unworthiness. Do not banter theological concepts with the Sag who
holds your life in your hands … they may decide that you are a heretic. It will not go well for
you.
Sag likes to dump the bodies of their victims in golf course water obstacles. They usually
escape prison on legal technicalities, which encourages them.
Capricorn
Capricorns spend most of their time plotting to off pretty most everybody they know, so it is
just a given that the Capricorns in your life will toy with having you put down at least once a
month. What makes them move you into the active destruction bin is if you somehow thwart
their ambition. Could be most anything. These earth signs like to plan things, and this is not
good for you. When whatever well researched mechanism springs shut on your neck, there
will not be much time for pleading for mercy.
If you are lucky, you may get some face time with Capricorn before he finishes you off. You
must convince the Capricorn that you are somehow useful, that you have information or skills
that will further his ambitions. This will not be easy, as they usually already know everything
about you. Stalin was a Capricorn.
As part of their efficient planning, body disposal figures high up there. You will be rendered
into hamburger, sausage, or hot dogs. For some reason, Capricorns like to keep teeth. If your
Capricorn friend has any sort of collection of teeth, be careful … he is a serial killer.
Capricorns rarely go to prison for a single caper. If they go down, it something big.
Aquarius
Aquarius rarely admits to himself that he is plotting murder, but still manages to dispatch a
respectable number of victims anyway. Being a social air sign, Aquarius prefer to stalk people
who offend their idealistic social beliefs … this may be the person who doesn’t sort his
recycling bin, who smokes in public, or complains about taxes. So, you will not get much
warning. Aquarians are not very sophisticated when it comes to murder methods. They like
guns, and the political Aquarian will use either a pistol (if against gun control) or a shotgun (if
for gun control).
Before you are murdered, the Aquarian just loves to have some sort of show trial, even if
nobody else is there. This is your chance. Listen patiently to the crimes you have committed,
and the horrible sentence decided upon the gun wielding Aquarian, acting as Judge and Jury.
Now, you must agree with them and move the conversation towards re-habilitation. Promise
anything, and make it grandiose and symbolic. Promise to work in a food bank, whatever.
This just might save your skin.
If you are dead, the Aquarian will leave your shattered body where it is. Arrest and trial for
the murderous Aquarian inevitably follows.
Pisces
As a water sign, Pisces puts up with more abuse and degradation than most others. This
makes them great employees. Sometimes, something snaps in their minds, and they begin to
fantasize about having you tortured to death. Mere murder is not an option for Pisces. They
want you to suffer, suffer long and hard. Water, or liquids, or liquefied metals, figure strongly
in the elaborate ritual murders that Pisces spend so much time day dreaming about at their
assigned work stations.
You can elude certain death by coming up with some creative story of suffering and alienation
that somehow outstrips their own experience. It better be good.
Your body will be sent to a watery grave, or dissolved in lime. Pisces inevitably gets away
with murder, not realizing how much better they would feel if they were in prison, which is
really a Pisces paradise.

[athan]

me Taurus ex Scorpio

hahahahahahahaha

[you know it]

The Astrology Research Journal on BobMarksAstrologer.com gives Sagittarius and Gemini an important part in the astrological personalities of serial killers.

[Michael]

The evilness of serial killers is reflected on one side of their faces, while their goodness in reflected in the other. Now how to you extrapolate that to astrology?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIc4_PGhbQA&feature=related

[Xibalba]

When I first took a course in astrology, my teacher said that Librans were the most likely to be serial killer psychopaths. Something along the lines of the scales tipping to much in one direction.

As per estrella's comment ... I think you'll find dangerous people born under every sign of the zodiac. Certain placements or aspects will lend themselves more readily to certain things.

If you assume dangerous is the result of deluded thinking every sign is probably capable of it ... Aries - to be the first and most important; Taurus - to protect their values (which may be twisted); Gemini - hmmm ... not sure why they would but probably a projection of their twins' feelings; Cancer - to protect themselves or family; Leo - for pride; Virgo - to rid the world of the imperfect ... etc, etc ...

I have to agree. I've met a lot of Libras who even in regular cases need to resort to some sort of psychological leveraging to get their points across. They generally hate confrontation, and wind up in this weird state of repression of their opinions or w/e that then progresses to 'emotional pupettering'. Two acquaintences I had were both Sun sign Libras, and to get their way they would use psychological or emotional strategies. Instead of just saying what they want they try to puppet the emotions of those around them, trying to guilt people into seeing their own point of view, rather than just openly and maturely presenting their case. I think this tendency towards a manipulative and passive-aggressive nature would probably make Libra the most dangerous sign. Maybe cusping with Scorpio even more dangerous because it creates someone who needs to use manipulation coupled with someone who is hypersensitive and quick to anger.

[Virgo_Burger]

That study is flawed. The most killers and serial killers alike, are Virgo suns. We just never get caught:29:

[Leon]

That study is flawed. The most killers and serial killers alike, are Virgo suns. We just never get caught:29:All the real killers don't need to get worried about getting caught or not. They play for the military, and the best part is it's a job to them.:mad:

[Effie]

I honestly think is aquarius -they are so detached emotionally, that you get involved, you think they are involved emotionally, only to tell you after 6 months of dating "oh, sometimes you act like you are my girlfriend...we are just speeping together...we are not involved! what made you think otherwise?" .... daaa!!...

Libra men have a ***** unscrewed sometimes inside their brains...

I think the least dangerous zodiac sign incarnated in a living form would be the sign of your dog or cat no matter what that may be...when the human factor comes into play, all signs are dangerous one way or another...

[katydid]

The secret of the 18o degree (by Nikola Stojanovic, Serbian astrologer)

The Sun eclipse happens at the 18o degree at Leon and the ruler of the Leon is Sun

The man who made the atomic bomb (Openheimer 22.04.1904., 20:00, EST 73W57, 40N45) has his AC at 18o degree Scorpio, the cup of the 8o house (death) at 18o degree Twins.
The man who made the decision to use for the first time in the history of the man kind so powerful weapon (American president Harry Truman 08.05.1884., 16:17, CST, 94W16, 37N30) has his Sun (decision) at 18o degree of Taurus.
The date of the explosion was 06.08.1945. 08:16:40 AM, JST 132E27, 34N24). AC of this event was at the 18o degree Virgo and at the 18o degree Cancer were Moon and Saturn.

The ``ruler from the shadow`` David Rockefeller (12.06.1915., 00:12 AM, EST, 73W57, 40N45) has his AC at the 18o degree Pisces (shadow).

The ``Angel of death`` or ``Dr Satan`` - Dr. Mengele (16.03.1911., 11:44 AM, CET, 10E16, 48N27) has his Neptune, the ruler of his Sun, at Pisces, at 18o degree of Cancer.

Charles Manson, also called the ``murderer Satan`` (16.03.1911., 11:44 AM, CET, 10E16, 48N27) murderer of the famous actress Sharon Teit – the wife of the famous director Polanski, has the Venus – the ruler of his AC at 18o degree Scorpio and his 6o house begins at 18o degree Virgo.

Leopold the II (09.04.1835., 22:22, LMT 04E20, 50N50) the Belgian king (1869-1909) who was known as the most barbarous colonizer in Africa (Congo), was personally responsible for mass killings of the local people: he used to ``hunt`` their children, cut the parts of the body of his servants and he killed his mistresses just for not liking their hair cut. The ruler of his AC, is Mars and is at the 18. degree of Cancer.

Now, the main character from the film ``Silence of the lambs`` existed. His name was Edward Gain (borne 27.08.1906., 23:16, CST, 91W14, 43N48). His house was full of ``souvenirs`` just like in the movie, his mother was very dominant forbidding him to see a girl or to have normal personal life, after her death, he went to live at a farm where he studded anatomy books and ``collected`` everything that the character in the film above did. At the year 1954 he committed his firs crime and the second one at the 16. of November 1957. His AC was at 18. degree of Twins and Venus (love, woman) at 18 degree of Libra at his 5. house.



Those are some of examples about the aspects and planets at the 18. degree which is (by the astrologer above) a ``dangerous one`` because the Sun eclipse happens at the 18o degree at Leon and the ruler of the Leon is Sun, so, when there is no Sun, the dark comes at have its chance to perform.
I only translated the text, there are more articles about the 2. and the 5. degree (which are also important), but those are for another post (and I don’t have much time at the moment).

VERY IMPORTANT:
THIS IS HIS OPINION AND I TRANSLATED THE TEXT. MY KNOWLEDGE IS QUITE RESTRICTED TO SUPPORT THIS OR ANY OTHER THEORY.
Natasa


INTERESTING. I have a grand square at 18 d in fixed signs. [ merc/scorp sq
pluto/so node in leo sq jupiter/asc in taurus sq n node /mc aquarius.

I am NOT a serial killer,:eek: but I have always been fascinated by them and read about them and I dont always understand why I am so engrossed by the subject.

[starzeeker]

Hitler sun sign taurus please dont judge j/k