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Astrologer4U

01-22-2009, 03:05 AM

Leon is one of the members here, are any of you familiar with him? He is what I call young in Astrology, but very eager to learn. He is going through some issues concerning his rising sign. The time of birth is not on his BC so he can no cast a Natal chart, because he has no time. I am posting this thread for him because he is not aware of Horary Astrology. Even after I tried to explain to him what Horary Astrology is and how it can perhaps help his situation, he was just no getting it. So, I felt kind of bad for him, not knowing what your rising sign can make one who is curious about Astrology feel like an Orphan. I offered to do the chart for him as long as he wrote down the time he asked the question, so here is the chart and the question from the querent is "What is my rising sign?"

I am no where near knowing how to interpret this chart but the querent is usually on the first house, so is it possible that his rising sign is Virgo?

RayAustin

01-22-2009, 03:42 AM

Go to the hospital's vital statistics. :)

Leon

01-22-2009, 04:32 AM

Go to the hospital's vital statistics. :)I was born overseas.:confused:

http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/3729/kingdf4.jpg (http://imageshack.us/)
Here's what I look like if it helps with figuring out what my ascendant is.

RayAustin

01-22-2009, 05:02 AM

I was born overseas.:confused:

Aw.

Well I'm not sure how to judge a chart like this. If we judge it in the same manner as, "what is the sex of my child", or "what profession is best for me?" .. It could go by what signs the significators are in, or it could possibly be the ascending sign itself. When I asked this once, Scorpio rose, which is before I knew I was actually a Scorpio.

The ascendant and midheaven (important 'appearance' signs) are in an earth sign. The ascendant ruler itself is in an earth sign as well. The moon is in a masculine sign, but none of the earth signs are masculine. It's in a mutable sign though, and Virgo is mutable. So Virgo might be it, you kinda look like one to me, too! You also definitely look like a mercury ruled ascendant! :D
Try reading a virgo rising description and see if it fits, at elbertwade.com

Ray:)

Leon

01-22-2009, 05:24 AM

Aw.

Well I'm not sure how to judge a chart like this. If we judge it in the same manner as, "what is the sex of my child", or "what profession is best for me?" .. It could go by what signs the significators are in, or it could possibly be the ascending sign itself. When I asked this once, Scorpio rose, which is before I knew I was actually a Scorpio.

The ascendant and midheaven (important 'appearance' signs) are in an earth sign. The ascendant ruler itself is in an earth sign as well. The moon is in a masculine sign, but none of the earth signs are masculine. It's in a mutable sign though, and Virgo is mutable. So Virgo might be it, you kinda look like one to me, too! You also definitely look like a mercury ruled ascendant! :D
Try reading a virgo rising description and see if it fits, at elbertwade.com

Ray:) VIRGO RISING -- OVERVIEW

Fast-moving quick-acting, youthful, versatile-and communicative Mercury rules the external self of all with this natal ascendant. Therefore, you are seemingly blessed with "eternal youthfulness," an ability to communicate well (sometimes too much!), and a rather natural curiosity about practically everything. You love to organize things; it's very difficult for you to function well in a disordered environment, whether on the job, at home or elsewhere.

You normally are not afraid of work because staying constructively busy provides you with perhaps your greatest joy in livIng. You prefer to work mainly with tangibles insofar as you can; theories, concepts, feelings and emotions are not as easy for you to deal with successfully as are things you can see, hear, smell, touch or taste. Perhaps you'd enjoy life to a greater extent if you learned to relax more often, if you understood that nothing and no one (including yourself!) is perfect, and if you realized that there is more to life than just hard work. There should be some time set aside for recreational activities and fun.

Virgo rising inclines to medium to below-average height; the body can be quite "delicate" and/or it can be compact. For some of you, the limbs may be disproportionately longer than the trunk of the body. The head normally is roundish, rather short, but usually well proportioned.

The hair may be rather coarse, brown to black in color. The body could have an abundance of hair. Eyebrows may be fine, thin, and shaped well. The skin may have a very good texture and tend to be light in its pigmentation. Teeth tend to be average in size, well spaced, and usually of generally good quality. The voice is normally rather soft; however, it can sound a bit flat and somewhat lacking in coloration. Overall, it is the general neatness and cleanliness typical to Virgo which really catches the eye.

Regardless of the Sun-Sign, there is something of the fussy bachelor or prim old maid present. You probably look your best when in very simple attire. Your mannerisms often cause you to fidget with objects at times with an apparent lack of attention that you are doing so. There may be a tendency to count steps, windowpanes, tiles, bricks, etc. You try to read all signs, including roadside billboards. You tend to be generally practical by nature, and there always seems to be something essentially reliable about you as you have a very strong sense of duty, even though you go about most matters with reserve and some degree of timidity.

You can do well at many types of executive work if you don't have to be too much of a "boss." You are predominantly intellectual and a completely rational type in your thinking. You are reflective, highly analytical, introspective -- a mental perfectionist who is frequently all but totally obsessed with details. Indeed, there may be some lack of originality because of such preoccupation with the bits and pieces.

Seemingly you are born to be the critic. There may be a caustic wit which not everyone understands -- or appreciates. Generally, the emotions are subordinated to the mind. Your emotional attitude is cool but kind, seldom very ardent. Most personal relationships are tempered by a sense of duty rather than by strong magnetism. Most weaknesses are keyed to a lack of self-confidence and an inborn anxiety complex. There may be a tendency to split hairs, to fuss endlessly, and often to nag. You can possess a too-submissive attitude and an overly-serious and pessimistic outlook on life.

Of all the signs rising, Virgo likely is the most preoccupied with health and hygiene. Though many of you do not appear especially robust, you are actually wiry and often live to a very ripe old age. While you often discuss matters of health, you must avoid allowing "ill health" to become an escape mechanism when you experience other non-related difficulties. You may have the best-stocked medicine cabinet in the neighborhood. Your life pattern is rather prosaic but exemplary. Normally, progress in the career starts around the 25th-to 30th year and is positively maintained thereafter. You may never actually retire.

Characteristics to cultivate are expressed by these words: intelligence, thoughfulness, activity, perfection, consciousness, discretion, intuition, efficiency, economy, prudence, organization and perception. Some possible undesirable characteristics which might stand correction are denoted by these words: selfishness, anxiety, worry, fussiness, irritability, discontent, apprehension, secrecy, criticism, aloofness, coldness, timidity, indecisiveness, and skepticism. Most of these less-desirable traits have already been or can be corrected by the proper application of your outstandingly-good qualities, and your desire for "perfection."
FIRST DECAN of VIRGO Rising (00.00 - 10.00 degrees)

This Virgo/MERCURY decan is, of course, the most typical. Very much of what was covered above applies fully, but there is more to consider. Since Mercury rules your external self, you're probably gifted in most areas of communication. You seem to have an especially good command of both the spoken and written word. Possibly you may use this ability profitably as a teacher, speaker, salesperson, reporter, writer, editor, etc.

You are very versatile and are able to adapt quickly to changes in your life and environment; you are that rare person who can put "round pegs" in "square holes" if necessary. You may be ambidextrous or even left-handed. You like to work and may not be really content unless you are busy. While you won't refuse manual labor, you much prefer your work to require less of you physically and more mentally.

Since this is the cardinal (active/driving) decan of Virgo rising, you may call up more personal energy as needed to succeed in your endeavors than those with the other decans of this earthy rising sign. While most of you with this influnence are quite intelligent, many have an ability to express themselves so that others judge them as being more brilliant than they actually may be. The sixth-house influence of Virgo is evidenced also by your concern for matters pertaining to your health and general well-being. It's possible you have a "remedy" for just about everything that may ail you -- and for everyone else you know as well.

You may be attracted to employment in some areas of the medical profession. You can be an excellent organizer as Mercury gives you the seeming ability to entertain several ideas at the same time. It's probable you might get more enjoyment from life if you didn't insist that everything be "perfect." In this area you can be very tough on everyone around you--even tougher on yourself. Learn to take things easier and a bit less seriously.
SECOND DECAN of VIRGO Rising (10.00 - 20.00 degrees)

The important sub-influences of this Capricorn/SATURN decan can cause numerous rather interesting differences. Capricorn is the natural ruler of the tenth house of career, profession, business, honors and recognition; therefore, you have a personal hunger for success in everything that you do. You seem never to be satisfied with the status quo when there is even the remotest possibility of improvement.

With Virgo as your ascendant, you are more than willing to work hard to get to the top; but your Capricorn sub-influence often makes you experience rather frequent and unpleasant setbacks and delays along the way. Fortunately, whatever the disappointment, you never allow it to discourage you for too long and soon are busily involved once again in working toward success.

You could be something of a "late bloomer" in that you may not realize much real success until you are around 30 years of age. Following your thirtieth birthday, your progress may be markedly accelerated at least until your late fifties when you could be at or near your pinnacle of material and personal success. The Saturn influence can cause you to take everything--including yourself--perhaps a bit too seriously. You need to guard against looking too frequently on the negative or dark side of issues. Doing so can bring on extended periods of depression which can make your own and others' lives less than pleasant. You would do well to learn to laugh at your own and others' foibles. Try to spend more time in recreational activities and a bit less time at serious work.

If you aren't careful, you can neglect family and other rewarding aspects of your life in your drive to achieve social position and material success. Where will you be if you achieve professional and business success and then discover you have no one left to help you enjoy what you have achieved? Physically, you may be heavier set from the waist down than above. Take care of your dry skin with adequate applications of lotions or creams.
THIRD DECAN of VIRGO Rising (20.00 - 30.00 degrees)

The sub-influences of this Taurus/VENUS decan can induce quite exciting and interesting modifications. Virgo rising alone is enough to make you practical, but adding the Taurus influence puts you clearly in the category of "super practical." In your everyday life if you can't see, hear, smell, touch, or taste something, it just may not register as being of any importance to you. The fixed nature of Taurus adds a high level of tenacity and staying power to the mutable (changeful) and often indecisive qualities of Virgo.

When you set out to do something, it's your nature to persist until you succeed. Fortunately, you seldom go about things in a blind, stubborn manner since you can employ the innate intelligence of Mercury and the organizational and methodical qualities of Virgo. While it is possible for you to adjust to change, you'd prefer not to do so unless it is really necessary. You are generally very patient and will tolerate a lot of disappointment, criticism and pressure for a long period of time; but when you've been pushed too far, you will certainly let others know--often to their surprise that anyone so easygoing couId "suddenly" change so much. Your basic tenacity might, at times, cause certain of your acquaintances to say you're stubborn or bullheaded (two typical Taurus key words).

This decan can add "squareness" and moderate weight or mass to your frame. Appearance-wise, you are fortunate to have Venus, planet of physical beauty, as the ruler of this decan. It can contribute positively to your features by giving you good bone structure, fine skin texture, beautiful eyes, a cute "ski" nose, nice teeth, sensual lips, and a well-proportioned body generally. You may have a very pleasant speaking and singing voice. Since you have an especially good ear for pitch, this could lead you into a career or hobby related to music. You love fine clothes and quality jewelry; strive always to dress in an impressive yet simplistic style.
Doesn't sound like me at all.:confused:
http://www.astrovision.net/walk-vir.jpg
Doesn't look like me at all.:confused:

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http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/3729/kingdf4.jpg (http://imageshack.us/) = ?

RayAustin

01-22-2009, 06:09 AM

Maybe Cappy or Gemini. Oh well, I tried. :P But you really do look Virgo rising.

Kaiousei no Senshi

01-22-2009, 06:22 AM

I'm under the impression that horary has difficulties answering anything that would fall within the "spirituality and mystery" category. :S

RayAustin

01-22-2009, 06:53 AM

I'm under the impression that horary has difficulties answering anything that would fall within the "spirituality and mystery" category. :S
Hm.. Idunno. I don't think this question has been researched enough :P

Astrologer4U

01-31-2009, 06:56 PM

From what I hear, Horary is older than any Astrology including natal Astrology. I am thinking that if horary could answer the question as to what somones rising sign is, there would be no need to Natal charts of a persons birth.

@Leon

You have been thinking all this time that your rising sign is Leo, Virgo is right next to Leo. You don't look like a Leo rising at all. You could pass for a Virgo rising.

RayAustin

01-31-2009, 06:59 PM

@Leon

You have been thinking all this time that your rising sign is Leo, Virgo is right next to Leo. You don't look like a Leo rising at all. You could pass for a Virgo rising.
I agree:)

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Leon

01-31-2009, 08:56 PM

so I'll be an "honorary" Virgo rising to entertain you AZZes. I was considered a "Cancer rising" on my last asstrology forum. I would think that all these asstrology fans would atleast not be so faulty when it comes to determining rising signs through physical appearance. One party thinks I'm a Cancer rising while another Virgo rising. Seriously WTF?

Astrologer4U

01-31-2009, 09:09 PM

Leon

01-31-2009, 09:39 PM

Leo, what is so bad about your being a Virgo rising? I won't say what your sun sign is but if people get out of your way when you come down the street it is because of your sun sign. For that sun sign people do move out of the way as well.

By the way, post that other picture of yours...http://i41.tinypic.com/2urmr9u.jpg
Being a "Virgo rising" is bad, because the actual description doesn't fit me at all. I only "look" like it to you guys. It's like me telling you that you are something you are not.

I dunno about that. I had other Scorps move out of my way all the time. They didn't move like they were Kings. See what I'm saying? They walked too humble. Then again to be fair I had the "Kings and Queens of the Jungle" step out of their way for me too.:confused:

Regardless of the decan ascending, the ever-changing Moon rules the external self. Restlessness, changes, and emotional sensitivity are commonplace. You are inclined to reflect your environment -- whether positive or negative -- in much the same manner that the Moon reflects the light of the Sun. You are perhaps better suited to "imitate" than to create.

Having a nature which is more or less "spongelike," you have to be especially careful in choosing your environment and associates, for very soon you start to identify with and reflect whatever is close at hand. Pick, insofar as possible, only places and companions which are positive and conducive to real progress for you.

You tend to be rather short in stature; indeed, very few of you are above average in height. The trunk of the body usually is large; the limbs may be relatively short. Some roundness or plumpness in build is typical. The head and face are "Moonlike," and the profile is somewhat dish-shaped. The chin may be well-rounded and pronounced and have a tendency to be double. The eyebrows seem to be raised questioningly. The teeth, unfortunately, may be somewhat poor in quality or appearance, often because you may tend to wear them down because of "nerves." Typically the hands are plump, the fingers short. The voice tone is often low and the speech rate is normally slow and deliberate.

When moving about, you either roll along nautically or sidle along like your namesake, the crab. Generally your mannerisms are very crablike. You may instinctively clasp the stomach area when in repose or if perplexed. When idle, the fingers tend to curl inward; the thumbs may be tucked tightly into the palms. A person with Cancer rising is traditionally the introverted type. Timidity, self-consciousness, and a deep desire for experience can cause you to be quite temperamental at times. You are basically cautious, prudent, and untiringly persistent in going after whatever you desire most.

Keen insight and acute intuition are common since your mind operates mainly through your emotions. This also tends to give a vivid imagination but not very much instinct to be consistently logical or very practical. The sense of humor is gentle; the memory is remarkably good, especially of the early years of your life. The general emotional nature is sentimental, protective, and very romantic. Since you are exceptionally receptive to external sensations, tears and laughter come readily and quickly. In fact, tears may come more easily since you do have a melancholy side to your nature.

Any inherent weaknesses stem from the following: lack of initiative, vacillation, a tendency to put things off, sulkiness, a strong propensity to hoard "worthless" items/feelings/memories and negative experiences, and a tendency to a lack for originality. Even though your system is rather sensitive, you are usually healthy. After experiencing numerous childhood complaints, you may indeed grow healthier with age.

You may be very sensitive to changes in the weather and to changes of the Moon, ruler of your "everyday" self. Cancer rising typically is one of the longest-living of the zodiacal types perhaps aided by your normal extra attention to your health and diet. Travel nearly always figures importantly at some time or another; but sooner or later, you long to and likely will return to your homeland.

There is a very pronounced seven-year-cycle pattern to your life, as the ruler of your ascendent (Moon) either squares, opposes, or conjoins its natal position every seven years. The 28th and 49th years may be outstandingly significant. Your main characteristics of a desirable nature and good for cultivation are expressed by such words as: conscientiousness, economy, patience, versatility, adaptability, sympathy, devotion, caring, and patriotism. Less-than-desirable characteristics that might (if not already done) need correction or improvement are denoted by these words: vanity, timorousness, possessiveness, sentimentality, touchiness and restlessness.

A fourth-house influence makes the concept of family an important part of your life. Wherever you are, you need to belong to some sort of "family," even if they're not related to you. More than those with other ascendants, you are likely to resemble your parents, especially as the years pass. Sooner or later, you'll need to own your own home.
The life-giving, warm, and powerful Sun (the only star in earth's solar system) rules the external ego of all with this natal ascendant. You tend to radiate, to generate, and give "light" to others and the environment. You are perhaps more effective and much happier if you create and cause things to happen rather than merely imitate or reflect that which is all about.

Ego is accented, especially since the Sun (ruler of the inner self) is also ruler of the outer self. This causes you to be much the same person within and without. The traditional fifth-house characteristics of youthfulness, pleasantness, and good humor are frequently brought to the obvious and conscious levels of your everyday life.

While most individuals with Leo ascending tend to be from average to slghtly above average in height, the body is strong, with a full trunk; limbs are usually proportionate. With many, the head is rather large and roundish. The hair is fine and may be light in color; it may grow rather low on the neck.

The eyebrows may be thick and well-formed. The skin texture usually is very good and should appear quite healthy. The teeth may be unusually white, well-formed, somewhat large, and evenly spaced. The voice is full-toned; the speech pattern may be rather decisive and often commanding. Others tend to listen and obey--especially when you "roar" like a lion.

The "showy" nature of Leo causes you to love colorful clothes and all other kinds of adornments. There may be a "natural" taste for the "loud," and it's entirely likely that at times you may slightly overdo good taste in your dress. Regardless, everything you wear must (or should) be of the best quality you can afford.

Your mannerisms might be described as catlike. You may be inclined to knead cushions and pillows, to stroke materials such as velvet or corduroy sensuously, and to lick your lips with satisfaction. You could unconsciously rub or scratch your neck and head when upset or nervous.

Very deep pride is at the root of the Leo-rising character. There's ambition, self-assurance, complacancy, organizational ability, tenacity, reasonable conservatism, and a natural instinct for leadership. Your loyalty normally is quite pronounced.

The mentality may appear to be greater than it actually is because you possess an ability to express yourself in such a way that you impress others favorably. On occasion there may be an inspired flair; but your greatest mental asset is the ability to put ideas and thoughts together and express them effectively.

You may possess a good amount of artistic talent and ability. You do not appreciate a joke about yourself. Your ambitions are very powerful and often sustained. Leo rising possibly has the most pronounced warmhearted and sincere feelings for others.

Your well-being depends on the opportunity to give and receive affection, to have others' companionship, and to be admired. Any disillusionment over affectional ties can be very upsetting. This is so because you are deeply idealistic--as well as romantic.

Most weaknesses tend to stem from vanity, gullibility, laziness, extravagance, excessive pride, arrogance, and a too-dominating attitude. Strangely, excessive conservatism may, at times, be a handicap. Normally, there's a very strong constitution; you usually look as healthy as you feel. Your stamina seems almost inexhaustible. The nervous system should be quite stable. "Robust" might describe your overall health profile.

The life pattern is stable and normally follows ten-year cycles. The years encompassing the forties and the sixties are often the peek periods. The principal characteristics of a desirable nature and traits for cultivation are expressed by such words as these: loyalty, inspiration, frankness, kindness, hopefulness, magnetism, tolerance, fearlessness, idealism, creativity, sincerity, industriousness and hospitality.

Some undesirable characteristics for correction are denoted by these words and terms: too much arrogance, an overbearing nature, impetuousness, overdominance, carelessness, gullibility, temper, hotheadedness, too much pride without a real basis, and "acting" to the point that you lose sight of what really is fact and what is fiction.
Fast-moving quick-acting, youthful, versatile-and communicative Mercury rules the external self of all with this natal ascendant. Therefore, you are seemingly blessed with "eternal youthfulness," an ability to communicate well (sometimes too much!), and a rather natural curiosity about practically everything. You love to organize things; it's very difficult for you to function well in a disordered environment, whether on the job, at home or elsewhere.

You normally are not afraid of work because staying constructively busy provides you with perhaps your greatest joy in livIng. You prefer to work mainly with tangibles insofar as you can; theories, concepts, feelings and emotions are not as easy for you to deal with successfully as are things you can see, hear, smell, touch or taste. Perhaps you'd enjoy life to a greater extent if you learned to relax more often, if you understood that nothing and no one (including yourself!) is perfect, and if you realized that there is more to life than just hard work. There should be some time set aside for recreational activities and fun.

Virgo rising inclines to medium to below-average height; the body can be quite "delicate" and/or it can be compact. For some of you, the limbs may be disproportionately longer than the trunk of the body. The head normally is roundish, rather short, but usually well proportioned.

The hair may be rather coarse, brown to black in color. The body could have an abundance of hair. Eyebrows may be fine, thin, and shaped well. The skin may have a very good texture and tend to be light in its pigmentation. Teeth tend to be average in size, well spaced, and usually of generally good quality. The voice is normally rather soft; however, it can sound a bit flat and somewhat lacking in coloration. Overall, it is the general neatness and cleanliness typical to Virgo which really catches the eye.

Regardless of the Sun-Sign, there is something of the fussy bachelor or prim old maid present. You probably look your best when in very simple attire. Your mannerisms often cause you to fidget with objects at times with an apparent lack of attention that you are doing so. There may be a tendency to count steps, windowpanes, tiles, bricks, etc. You try to read all signs, including roadside billboards. You tend to be generally practical by nature, and there always seems to be something essentially reliable about you as you have a very strong sense of duty, even though you go about most matters with reserve and some degree of timidity.

You can do well at many types of executive work if you don't have to be too much of a "boss." You are predominantly intellectual and a completely rational type in your thinking. You are reflective, highly analytical, introspective -- a mental perfectionist who is frequently all but totally obsessed with details. Indeed, there may be some lack of originality because of such preoccupation with the bits and pieces.

Seemingly you are born to be the critic. There may be a caustic wit which not everyone understands -- or appreciates. Generally, the emotions are subordinated to the mind. Your emotional attitude is cool but kind, seldom very ardent. Most personal relationships are tempered by a sense of duty rather than by strong magnetism. Most weaknesses are keyed to a lack of self-confidence and an inborn anxiety complex. There may be a tendency to split hairs, to fuss endlessly, and often to nag. You can possess a too-submissive attitude and an overly-serious and pessimistic outlook on life.

Of all the signs rising, Virgo likely is the most preoccupied with health and hygiene. Though many of you do not appear especially robust, you are actually wiry and often live to a very ripe old age. While you often discuss matters of health, you must avoid allowing "ill health" to become an escape mechanism when you experience other non-related difficulties. You may have the best-stocked medicine cabinet in the neighborhood. Your life pattern is rather prosaic but exemplary. Normally, progress in the career starts around the 25th-to 30th year and is positively maintained thereafter. You may never actually retire.

Characteristics to cultivate are expressed by these words: intelligence, thoughfulness, activity, perfection, consciousness, discretion, intuition, efficiency, economy, prudence, organization and perception. Some possible undesirable characteristics which might stand correction are denoted by these words: selfishness, anxiety, worry, fussiness, irritability, discontent, apprehension, secrecy, criticism, aloofness, coldness, timidity, indecisiveness, and skepticism. Most of these less-desirable traits have already been or can be corrected by the proper application of your outstandingly-good qualities, and your desire for "perfection."
Trash in bold is what I have.

With a Leo rising I could be on the Leo/Cancer cusp, I read yesterday that rising signs on the cusps can give the physical appearance of both signs. Having a Virgo dwad for a Leo rising is possible too, so maybe that's why you guys think I'm a Virgo?

Now that you guys have a general idea of what I dress like on a typical day to day basis you can guess some more. Which sign does he dress like a Cancer, Leo, or Virgo?:eek:

RockFish

02-01-2009, 01:12 AM

Ali

02-01-2009, 01:54 AM

The reason it is hard to tell someone's rising sign is that when planets aspect the asc it modifies the look of the native. Have you ever picked a piece of lint off someone else's shirt? Sure sign that you're a Virgo or Virgo rising.

Leon

02-01-2009, 02:12 AM

Question:

You have no idea when you were born, not even if it was night or day? That would help.

My two cents: I think you have an earth rising sign. Capricorn would be my choice, because I am cappie rising and our facial features are similar, clothing style the same, etc. Virgo is a strong possibility too. I have mercury on the ascendant, ruler of virgo, so I guess my appearance is a blend of Virgo and Capricorn.

Try reading some Capricorn rising descriptions and see if it fits. Cappie rising makes one very slim, skinny, sharp bone structure, sometimes a bad skin also, sensitive skin.....

All of those are true for me.I'm a night baby. My sources in my family for my birth time either make me a Cancer rising or a Leo rising.

I have Four planets in Capricorn, One of them being a personal planet, Venus, so maybe this is why you think I look like a Capricorn?

I can fit into slim clothing, and I even look slim from a distance, but I'm definitely not skinny. When my body fat is low people think I lift weights, although I haven't touched weights in a year, and even when I did only casually.

My skin on my limbs still have some weird small tiny bumps.

The reason it is hard to tell someone's rising sign is that when planets aspect the asc it modifies the look of the native. Have you ever picked a piece of lint off someone else's shirt? Sure sign that you're a Virgo or Virgo rising.No, I haven't ever taken lint off of another person's clothing. As a matter of fact I'm the type of guy to encourage others to just leave it there for the :38:factor. Now with a Leo rising some of my Capricorn planets could be quincunx the rising, so maybe this is why RockFish thinks I look like a Capricorn. My Mars would also make a square to my Ascendant for a Leo Rising, I've read that Mars rules the face. I have a scar on my right cheek from falling down as a child. Could an affliction from Mars (planet that rules your face) to the Ascendant (your physical self) cause this?

lolaslayer

02-01-2009, 02:18 AM

I'm a night baby. My sources in my family for my birth time either make me a Cancer rising or a Leo rising.

I have Four planets in Capricorn, One of them being a personal planet, Venus, so maybe this is why you think I look like a Capricorn?

I can fit into slim clothing, and I even look slim from a distance, but I'm definitely not skinny. When my body fat is low people think I lift weights, although I haven't touched weights in a year, and even when I did only casually.

My skin on my limbs still have some weird small tiny bumps.

No, I haven't ever taken lint off of another person's clothing. As a matter of fact I'm the type of guy to encourage others to just leave it there for the :38:factor. Now with a Leo rising some of my Capricorn planets could be quincunx the rising, so maybe this is why RockFish thinks I look like a Capricorn. My Mars would also make a square to my Ascendant for a Leo Rising, I've read that Mars rules the face. I have a scar on my right cheek from falling down as a child. Could an affliction from Mars (planet that rules your face) to the Ascendant (your physical self) cause this?

Yes Leon! I have mars square my ascendant and I have a little scar just below my right eye as well. I think that this is a common characteristic of mars and ascendant affliction.

RockFish

02-01-2009, 04:33 AM

Ok, you have a load in capricorn, so I guess I saw that in you. I have three planets and rising sign in cappie, so I think I clicked immediately with your appearance. :)

A cancer rising would make it kinda easy to gain weight (and loose too, changing as the Moon, Cancer ruler), and to retain liquids in the body.

But from Lolaslayer said, it is very possible that you are a Leo rising.

And with this:

"THE Man, THE Scorpio, THE Legend."

I go with Leo rising, and rest my case. ;):p

tsquare

02-01-2009, 11:40 AM

I have a Leo asc.
15 degrees.
Sag. decante.

Cancer sun 29 degrees.
on the cusp of Leo.
Pisces decante.
Gemini dwad...I believe, almost think.

Leo moon, 23th degree.

This is in tropical.

In vedic I have cancer asc, 22nd degree, cancer sun, 4th degree.
Leo moon, degree 0.

Asc aspects in tropical, to leo asc are, mars, and Pluto sextile, 8 degree, 9 degree orb.
Saturn sextile, 1 degree orb.
Those planets are conj.

Moon is conj asc.
kind of wide, but whatever.....

Neptune trines moon, exact. So neptune trine asc but your looking at 9 degree orb for that trine.

With a leo asc that puts the ruler, the sun, in the 12th house on the cusp of leo in cancer.

I notice enough how cancer I am, somewhat, I can tell I shcare qualities of both, but, and this is in tropical as well, I also have venus in the first degree of cancer.

My chart is on another thread, I think you've seen it.

My ugly mug.
I was mimicking an old David Letterman picture I seen of him holding a basketball sticking out his toung at the camera during a high school picture. I thought it was funny.
I think I look like more like gravel face Micky Rourke instead. ha.

My height 6' 4" could be caused by a few different things, maybe Sag decante. BUt I've also seen short sag decantes. It's not from genetics entierly, I am the tallest in the family, the family that i know of.

I've read decante descriptions of signs that are not alwayas accurate as well, but they are sometimes accurate. It would be nice to fine tune things more, but it seems not everything fits in a nice virgo like box. The attempt is admirable though and usefull at times.

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/15/astrologoyweeklyleonyw2.jpg (http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/15/astrologoyweeklyleonyw2.jpg)

Reason I posted the pics is because, progressed, in tropical, I have an early Virgo asc. Mercury has progressed from the 12th to the first and into virgo.
I have a Jupiter mars conj. in Scorpio sextile asc from the third house.
Sun is in Leo, 12th house....
Venus in Leo, 11th H.

I havn't seen you chart.

Natally, the only thing I have in scorpio is Jupiter on the IC line, 3rd house, 1 degree off the angle.

I look at leo asc. every now and then, but I'm not an expert at spoting everyone by asc. Most often I notice the sun, sometimes the moon, especially in personality. I confuse that but minly in woman I notice the moon first. If I see red hair in the case of a Caucasian of any kind, I go to aries in mind first, because I've noticed it allot. It isn't so helpful when it comes to anyone not Caucasian and it isn't always accurate.

I have read that if you see more angular features, look to for cardinal sines.
Not all aries have red hair, sometimes it can just be a mars placement, maybe in the first house, but even taht is not always accurate, so I really don't know. It is strange sometimes to spot the red head kid in the family when there are no other red head kids, parents, or grandparents in the family, and notice a stellium in Aries, or a mars on the asc. I've done that before. Or even just an Aries sun.

For aries sun I always see the face as angular, many times a strait nose, and there is at times a forward head, or a direct look, what I mean by forward head is that they tend to look out and direct at whatever is across from then......I have seen similar looks in cancers, even if the flow is reversed.....signs 4 to the right of another seem to be more of a complete opposite in action then those that oppose one another.
The zodiac is strange to me in that way.
I even see Virgo as more of a complete opposite of action then Gemini, even if they traditionally share the same rulers.
Gemini stands outside a mutable explosion, a thought sign, deals with similarities in thought. Virgo looks in on an object from the outside rather then having that exploding action....they sort of focus all their attention in and on matter instead....then they differentiate, seeing all the small details, differences....I suppose if I drew a diagram for the two signs, and I have seen these elsewhere, it would look like this.

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/3332/dispersalflowsignsmn6.jpg (http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/3332/dispersalflowsignsmn6.jpg)

Smaller then how I thought the image would turn out....my bad.

Anyway, that is ow I see virgo, and the dispersal (mutable) signs.
The 4th over is more of an opposite action then the opposing sign.

Virgo tends to introvert into matter so is more realistic.
Gemini is more outside the action, and separated from the action, deals more with abstract thought...even though Virgo is abstract as well.
Pisces inflows from it's environment upon itself, the sensitivity, etc.
Sag. outflows into it's environment....from a central viewpoint...hence, the outflowing ego, or viewpoint. Fire moves forward at times without allot of data....not very practical, can be unaware of what is to come...adventure, etc. but they see what is right in front of them.

Sag has a tendency to see things how they are directly.
Pisceshas a tendency to see things all as one, or the same.
Gemini has a tendency to see the similarities between things.
Virgo sees differences, detail, the differences between things.

It looks like.
Disassociation
Identification
Similarities
Differences

I'd like to work more with the flows of signs, and how they handle energy, then try placing planets in, in houses as well, and somehow get a better picture of what a persons natural tendencies seem to be.
I think allot of what ew observe about people is far more basic then what we like to think. Gemini with communication, well, if a persons natural tendency it to use a dispersal like that, then naturally, they are going to have to communicate well to be that way. I suppose I'm looking for more fundamental basics. It all seems very psychological.....almost more then physical...the physical manifestations may just come about by how a person lives their life.
Put mars in the asc, and I suppose the chances of them getting a cut on the face is more likely by how they go about their life. I don't think everyone is going to get a scar on their face. Events turn out as they will, and fire seems to go into the unknown with less fear....because it doesn't know...so there can be accidents and carelessness, but also what appears to be luck may not be and may have more to do with being in the right place at the right time...something Sagittarius is quite capable of at times.
not allot is planned, thought out, based upon "reality" etc. There can be luck. Not know.

I'm not sure why I typed all of that. lol
Anyway, yeah.

I thought maybe a Leo asc....tropical.
It's just a guess though.
I havn't seen the chart and i could be totally wrong.
i've never read anything covering astrology and appearance that has pleased me entirely. I always spot flaws, but sometimes I can surprise myself by getting at least the sun, the moon or the asc. Then after looking at a chart, a few things start to make sense.
Still learning, still unlearning.

I didn't do a spell check either....I'm sure you noticed that. haha
In a rush....
TS

cassanra

02-01-2009, 03:02 PM

I know that if you do not have the exact birth time you can use a sunrise chart and that give you really a lot and makes perfect sense. The other is through solar arcs and timing of events through planets arcs to the angles. There is a long article on that and a connection to a web cast on erecting a chart. Sunrise has worked for me working on someone elses chart and I think Theo works with them a lot.