who stole my jewelry

[millionora]

ok i had about 20,000USD worth of jewelry stolen right out of my house.
diamonds, gold, antique rings, my grandmothers gold bracelets, etc..

ok so the moon and mars would rule the jewelry, and we have merc retro and mars in the 4th house.. but moon in 3rd cusp with 2nd house meaning it could be a friend who took the jewels also???

now the interesting thin is that mars is in the 4th but trine to saturn in the 12 (hidden enemies), and is also trine to venus in the 6th hs of employess. now i have a live in housekeeper but she was with me on vacation when the theft happened, also a driver who wasnt with me. would it possible that it was my driver with assistance secretly from my housekeeper? as mars is now in the 4th house telling me it could be someone within the domicile?? a

will it be recovered? it has been some time since this happened but merc Rx brought this all up again..

Love, light, Truth,
Blessings!

[FleetingDasein]

Before trying to interpret this, the Asc is fairly early, the result is not fixed and/or depends on other people.

Sue Ward writes: Often an early Ascendant indicates the querent’s failure to put anything in motion. Did you report this to the police? Is there an ongoing investigation?

The question is not clear. From the thread I am getting two questions: Who stole it, and will it be recovered? I think when asking it's better to keep it simple, sometimes you see a big difference in the chart!

[millionora]

ok,
i beleive i would like to know who stole, better to know first in order to protect myself,

then if it is possible would it be recovered?
Love, light, Truth.

Blessings.

[millionora]

Before trying to interpret this, the Asc is fairly early, the result is not fixed and/or depends on other people.

Sue Ward writes: Often an early Ascendant indicates the querent’s failure to put anything in motion. Did you report this to the police? Is there an ongoing investigation?

The question is not clear. From the thread I am getting two questions: Who stole it, and will it be recovered? I think when asking it's better to keep it simple, sometimes you see a big difference in the chart!

Great point, which is what brings me here as my husband at the time (now my ex) insisted we didnt move too deep into this bcuz where we r located in the mideast there is more crime within the police than out on the streets. It really is a corrupt system here and in order to get a real investigation police men would have to be bribed, which my ex husband feared a domino effect would happen. also to note that the items that were stolen were only my things in the home. Our house was loaded with art and electronics worth more than the jewelry...

[alliewar]

neighbour or sibiling

[millionora]

siblings there were none, sinced the moon is located in the 2nd could it have been the owner of the entire building who lived above me at the time?

and may i ask how u came up with sibling or neighbor? is it from the moons pos?


thank u

[FleetingDasein]

I don't know if it's relevant but the moon has just changed signs. Matters are developing... Moon is still not comfortable where she is.

I''m gonna have to agree. The thief is exalted and in an angular house (quite a strong position to be in). From the house it's in I've got to agree with allie, has to be someone with a connection to your home/or family.

I got a question regarding this horary. The querent is Venus. So Mars,as ruler for the 2nd and 7th house, rules both the jewels and the thief?

If you were to turn the chart, the 4th house becomes the Thief's 10th house (of career). He stole the jewels from work.

That also means you are in the Thief's 12th house.

My best bet: Someone in your building, someone who works, or worked for you. If you keep investigating (set matters into motion) you will find who it was.

[millionora]

I don't know if it's relevant but the moon has just changed signs. Matters are developing... Moon is still not comfortable where she is in...

I''m gonna have to agree. The thief is exalted and in an angular house (quite a strong position to be in). From the house it's in I've got to agree with allie, has to be someone with a connection to your home/or family.

the only people that actually lived there with me at the time were my 2 toddler boys, my housekeeper, and my husband(now ex).

all of us were together on holiday when it happened. in my heart i first accused my housekeeper & driver, but that didnt add up either becuz the housekeeper was thoroughly searched and not sure she could help the driver,
but the interesting point was that my father in law at the time forced the my driver to leave the scene immediately(in an undercover voice) in order to protect him from the investigation...hmmm and when i asked my ex why that happened he simply told me that our driver was innocent and would never do such a thing..which is a cheap answer for a woman that has mercury in scorpio..,
and when i kept insisting that we shouldd hire an investigator the family shunned me and would not help claiming that i would only be spitting in the wind...

[FleetingDasein]

I edited my previous post. If my turned chart is correct (which I doubt it is because my chart turning skills are mostly in the wrong, still learning here), then it must have been the housekeeper or the driver.

I'm sure there's more to see in this chart. Can anyone shed some light?

[natasa812]

Well, there is something confusing for me in this chart. If the husband is ex, than he is just a ``friend`` or ``enemy`` any way... So, he is represented by the ruler of your 11o - and he is Sun or he is represented (since you suspect familiar people which means your enemies whom you already know) by Mercury - the ruler of your 12o. Mercury is in combust - hidding things from you, but together with Mars (jewelry) in the same house, but since here we dont have any aspect, I dont think that jewelry is in his poseseion any more. Mercury is in terms of Saturn - ruler of your 4o - family, home, and also in conj. with Jupiter - even in the same term - both in terms of Saturn that rules your 4o and Jupiter rules your 6o also and your 3o of comunication - so, I think that informations that you recieve are not corectly represented to you (Jupiter also in combust). Now, logicly, who is the person that is comunicating to you the most? Your ex husbant - telling you always not to proced with anything. That Mercury goes retrograde as also as Saturn in 12o maybe telling us that we have a person from the past comming back. I think it is wrong to follow the Mars - since he represents jewelry - the position of Mars only shows us where the jewelry is- still at home (in the building at least), or held by a member of your family - Mars trines Saturn and Saturn goes retrograde - things or persons from the past comming again.
I suspect the ex husband in cooperation with a driver also helped by an older man (the Sun) - his father.
Now, because I am new in astrology and this post sounds to me as a criminal novel, I dont want to become a reason of any doubts or further family problems. AC is too early indeed, so, please wait and be careful and read all of this with RESERVE!
Wish you the very very best
Natasa

[millionora]

Well, there is something confusing for me in this chart. If the husband is ex, than he is just a ``friend`` or ``enemy`` any way... So, he is represented by the ruler of your 11o - and he is Sun or he is represented (since you suspect familiar people which means your enemies whom you already know) by Mercury - the ruler of your 12o. Mercury is in combust - hidding things from you, but together with Mars (jewelry) in the same house, but since here we dont have any aspect, I dont think that jewelry is in his poseseion any more. Mercury is in terms of Saturn - ruler of your 4o - family, home, and also in conj. with Jupiter - even in the same term - both in terms of Saturn that rules your 4o and Jupiter rules your 6o also and your 3o of comunication - so, I think that informations that you recieve are not corectly represented to you (Jupiter also in combust). Now, logicly, who is the person that is comunicating to you the most? Your ex husbant - telling you always not to proced with anything. That Mercury goes retrograde as also as Saturn in 12o maybe telling us that we have a person from the past comming back. I think it is wrong to follow the Mars - since he represents jewelry - the position of Mars only shows us where the jewelry is- still at home (in the building at least), or held by a member of your family - Mars trines Saturn and Saturn goes retrograde - things or persons from the past comming again.
I suspect the ex husband in cooperation with a driver also helped by an older man (the Sun) - his father.
Now, because I am new in astrology and this post sounds to me as a criminal novel, I dont want to become a reason of any doubts or further family problems. AC is too early indeed, so, please wait and be careful and read all of this with RESERVE!
Wish you the very very best
Natasa

Thank u Natasa812, no worries trust me i have faith that our universe will show me the truth, we are just triggering the path to the truth, in no way would i take action in a vulgar or violent way.

interesting view you have, i am excited with Fervor to see the results. your theory about the Saturn Rx and Merc Rx is right on, i wonder which one of them will come back into to the picture..

Love, light, Truth

Blessings!

[Adith]

Hi Milionora,

I analysed your case with Vedic Stellar Horary method.

First: the thief: The 7th cuspal Sub lord if Venus who is posited in 6 and Venus is in the star of Jupiter (posited in 4) Jupiter conjoins with Sun,Merury.

I hope the culprit should be a Young Lady and she must be a worker/ labour /servent. She must be with in your compound area . May be two more Men(one young and one Adult) and one girl involved in this activity with her.

The Recovery:
As per KP rules, if the Cuspal Sub lord is tarveling in a Retorgrade Planet, the lost article will not be recovered.
Here the 11th Cusp Sublord if Moon (in2) but travleing in Satunr star who is Retrograde.!. Moreover, Saturn is lord of 5 and 6 is in 12. which is not good. Hence Very less chances of Recovery.

The 2 nd and 8th Cusp sublord "Rahu" is in 5 (not good),but it travels in Moon star who is lord of 11 in 2. Also rahu represents Saturn as it tenates in Capricorn. and signfies 5,6,12. which is also not favoring.

As the Venus is traveling in the star of Mars, you can seek the help of the Police to catch the thief.

As 2nd sub Venus is in Jupietr star and mercury sub and both are in 4 along with Sun in Capricorn. hence I feel the theft propery might be in any secret places,hidden places,Hospitals,temples,Dark places, old buildings, Godown, Dustbis, Upstairs etc.,

You can have doubt on young lady servant and with the police you can scrutinise. But you may not get the articles as it is or may get in parts or through some other means. Moreover Saturn is aspecting Venus is not good.

yet I have the feeling as per the XIth cusp sub rule, the possibilty of recovery is difficult.

If at all any positive chance: it will happen only between 17/may/2009 to 6/6/2009.

Pls update the progress!

Best of Luck!
Thanks and Regards
Adith

[fensi88]

Last Ve's aspect , ruler of 2nd house, jewelry, was with Pl. Pl is symbol of criminals and because it is positioned right on angle we must pay attention on it. So my opinion is that it was some criminal from neighbour. On 2nd place, it also maybe driver, because Pl is modern ruler of 3 house which is in connection with cars and because of so close Pl's placemnet on 4 house cusp.

[lillyjgc]

Is it Ok if I ask *How long ago did this theft occur?*(I am looking for a past aspect that describes the theft.)And I would also like to ask if this is the very first chart you have cast for the question.?
Thanks,
Lillyjgc

[millionora]

Is it Ok if I ask *How long ago did this theft occur?*(I am looking for a past aspect that describes the theft.)And I would also like to ask if this is the very first chart you have cast for the question.?
Thanks,
Lillyjgc

Hi Lillyjgc,
yes the theft happened btwn nov 17-20 of 2004.
this is the first chart i ever posted for this issue. perhaps thats a sign i'm onto finding the criminal, with merc Rx and Saturn Rx also.

determined with fervor to know who it was....

love, light, Truth!

Blessings.

[lillyjgc]

Ok.
You Millionora, are venus, exalted in pisces yes but in house six you are weakened. Also weakening you and the action you can take, is venus's opposition to Saturn, a malefic in the 12th, also retrograde.In this chart,your ruler is also about to conjunct Uranus, and between the conjunction to uranus and the opposition to Saturn, there's not much you can do.

The jewels are ruled by Mars. Mars and Venus have been separated for quite some time now but finally they are getting closer by that sextile. The jewels are strongly placed in your 4th-often *the grave*, but also in horary, your home, where the significator of the jewels, mars, applies a trine to Saturn, the ruler of *your home*, and Saturn is *above the horizon* suggesting someone of higher status than yourself. Is there someone for whom *you* have done work, nearby? Your Landlord, if you have one? But someone to whom you are going to become opposed, unexpectedly, due to that jolt from Uranus, in 4 *somethings*-could be days or weeks as mutable signs are involved.
The jewels are *within range of you*.Literally the chart says they are either buried in the ground* or in the basement of the building you are in.
I am considering here that the ruler of the jewels and the querent are both below the horizon, the jewels below venus, at the nadir of the chart in fact.
However the ruler of the jewels *he who has them*, is above the horizon, conspicuously alone up there too!.

Now the moon will tell us what has happened in the past and what will happen in the future in regard to this matter.
The moon is one degree into Sag-so something new has happened.The querent has perhaps decided to *get to the bottom of the matter*, optimistic of finding the jewels, in jupiter's sign, Sag, *wanting justice*.
The moon just separates from the sextile to mercury-who is said to represent thieves in charts such as this.Perhaps you have recently had actual contact with the thief.
The moon applies a sextile to jupiter in 2 *somethings* suggesting further contact. Now, Jupiter in this chart rules your third house of neighbours and people in your locale generally, but also drivers.There is a relationship between jupiter and Saturn.Jupiter is in Saturn's sign, so someone who jupiter emulates. Jupiter also rules the house you are in. That could be interpreted literally too.
The last aspect the moon will make is a square to Saturn, but will, on its way to that outcome, square your ruler, venus.

The dance between mars and venus sextile does perfect but a sextile is not a *yes* answer, especially when the moon's aspect are not positive to either you or the jewels.
My conclusion is that yes you will find out for sure *who* took the jewels but you will not have proof and I dont believe they will come back to you.
Fortuna is not shown in this chart-a pity as fortuna can be very illuminating in questions such as this one.
good luck.
Lillyjgc

[millionora]

Helllo,
ok i have been looking back and deeply into this, now if we were to say that Saturn would represent my father in law, and going from the moon moving away from mercury(thief) meaning that i just recently had contact with the thief then, thinking back in retrospect i just recently did contact my father in law back in mid december:eek: , and he is the one who at the scene of the crime insisted that the driver leave immediately hmmm, he also does financially support the driver, interesting, so would it be safe to say that it was a deal between the driver and father in law, the weirder thing is that before i cast this horary question, i did have a dream that the ex wife of my fathr in law was telling me something bad about my father in law but in unclear messages, it could be a prophetic dream, anyhow i dont really care about the recovery of the jewels but i do want too know who is the theif to protect myself and my children, and our home..CLOSURE would be most desired here..

Thank you all tremendously,

LOVE,LIGHT, TRUTH!

Blessings!

[natasa812]

The jewels are strongly placed in your 4th-often *the grave*, but also in horary, your home...

Literally the chart says they are either buried in the ground* or in the basement of the building you are in.

However the ruler of the jewels *he who has them*, is above the horizon, conspicuously alone up there too!.


Lillyjgc

This is what I belive too and I wrote it in my post. The jewelry is still in the building.
Natasa

[millionora]

This is what I belive too and I wrote it in my post. The jewelry is still in the building.
Natasa

can we tell how saturn feels about me from the chart? why would he support driver in such a situation, I mean i understand that Saturn Literally is above it all as he is a UNTOUCHABLE person here of very HIGH status and is extremely wealthy, he is also a auditor (good at covering things up literally), but i will tell you one thing, i'l never forget the way his eyes met mine in a sharp critical way when he asked the driver to leave the scene. A lot was said in that moment.....

would it possible to cast a chart to see why they did this?

Thank you.

Love, ligth, Truth!

Blessings.

[natasa812]

Helllo,
my father in law... ... and he is the one who at the scene of the crime insisted that the driver leave immediately hmmm, he also does financially support the driver, interesting, so would it be safe to say that it was a deal between the driver and father in law...

I also suspect him in the post I wrote to you.

Please take care, think before each move and inform friends and people you TRUST about the situation. Since your 3rd of comunication is ruled by Jupiter and there is a nice sextile between Jupiter and Moon as also a conj. between Jupiter and Mercury r (rules your 9o - justice) - This is a good time for solving old crimes (Mercury retrograde). Also, the ruler of your 12o (hidden enemies) is in your 4o - make alliance and ask for help. Dont let other people convince you that authorities will not help you - how and why is he so convinced (father in law)? - this chart shows that you have an enemy at home.

Natasa

[natasa812]

Whan I was young, I read a loooot of books. I read all books written by Agatha Cristie and similar. Somewhere, I read this (for solving a crime): If everything else fails, follow the money. Who is winning from this situation? Was the money a motive? Maybe they just wanted to make you feel bad and unprotected in your own home (since nothing else was stolen but only your jewelry)?
Natasa

[natasa812]

In this chart, Saturn is in his own terms, thinking of himself only. In face of Mercury - meaning not liking something about your 12o and 9o - since Mercury rules those 2 houses. Now, can we post a chart about him and the driver - a more experienced member must answer this.

Wish you the very best
Natasa

[millionora]

Oh Natasha!!!
The only person who would gain anything tangible is obviously the driver! which he still is!!

I have just attached a chart now asking "why would they steal my jewelry?"

Yes even the police said when they saw the crime scene that it was somebody out for me only and it was somebody familiar with the surroundings as it was a clean job, and get this when i asked for all of us to be fingerprinted even the driver I was SHUNNED by the father in law, and he explained that it would be extremely offensive to suggest such a thing to MIDEAST MEN!!:(

clearly lots of covering up! but why? I was good to this family!! its heartbreaking really..

Love, light and the TRUTH!

Blessings to you Natasha!

as for the chart i just cast, i am confused for me the querant cuz it should be merc but merc represents theifs so would that make me the moon?

[millionora]

In this chart, Saturn is in his own terms, thinking of himself only. In face of Mercury - meaning not liking something about your 12o and 9o - since Mercury rules those 2 houses. Now, can we post a chart about him and the driver - a more experienced member must answer this.

Wish you the very best
Natasa

ah yes you are right Natasha, ok yes i want to know what is it between him and the driver!! by the way the sad thing is that i myself was always more than generous with the driver, his wife, and especially his children!!

Yes if we can get Archergirl or Starlink or another Moderator in on this perhaps we can solve the underlying issues!

Thank you dearly! fervishly wanting some answers!

Love, light, Truth!

Blessingss!

[lillyjgc]

Your Father in law would be represented by the cusp of h10-using derived houses. (your partner's father? Using h7 as partner, even if partner is an *ex-*is still the right house I think.That would give the moon to Father-in Law. The moon is in jupiter's sign so from this I would NOT conclude that the Father-in Law is the thief.
If you are asking an horary question, its really best to approach it with an open mind, not look for evidence to support a hypothesis that it was *so and so*.
If you have children, you could use H5 as them and look at their fourth (their father) and four from there would be *his father*. That would give Father-in law the venus ascendant and you would not have a house to represent you!
In a question like this, (you have asked *where is my jewellery*, not *who took it*, btw),you must be clear with the real question, not try to find out more than the question is asking, after the chart has been cast. Maybe the jewels have not technically been *stolen*, because the chart shows they are within reach of you.You are venus, the jewels are mars. they apply to a sextile, and both are strong in dignities.The moon leaves a square to Neptune, so maybe you forgot where you put them.
Cheers,
lillyjgc

[millionora]

Your Father in law would be represented by the cusp of h10-using derived houses. (your partner's father? Using h7 as partner, even if partner is an *ex-*is still the right house I think.That would give the moon to Father-in Law. The moon is in jupiter's sign so from this I would NOT conclude that the Father-in Law is the thief.
If you are asking an horary question, its really best to approach it with an open mind, not look for evidence to support a hypothesis that it was *so and so*.
If you have children, you could use H5 as them and look at their fourth (their father) and four from there would be *his father*. That would give Father-in law the venus ascendant and you would not have a house to represent you!
In a question like this, (you have asked *where is my jewellery*, not *who took it*, btw),you must be clear with the real question, not try to find out more than the question is asking, after the chart has been cast. Maybe the jewels have not technically been *stolen*, because the chart shows they are within reach of you.You are venus, the jewels are mars. they apply to a sextile, and both are strong in dignities.The moon leaves a square to Neptune, so maybe you forgot where you put them.
Cheers,
lillyjgc

Thanks Lillyjgc,
unfortunately we came home that day finding my housedoor wide open and my jewelrybox found on the floor EMPTY, but opened with a kitchen knife, that was taken out of the kitchen droor in a clean way as if the theif was familiar to the kicthen, as we didnt find any other droors flung open along with the silverware droor meaning that in fact the theif was at ease and knew where to go(possibly the driver who was always seen around the house that way not fearing if anyone saw him, and assured that he was supported by a strong dominating high status man my father in law here),
Also I believe that inlaws r represented by the 9th house correct?

So i ahve cast another chart, asking "did my father in law help in stealing my jewelry?"

So what i get from the chart:
ASC-Merc-me in the 8th house moving closer to my jewelry represented by Mars(stolen property)
Now if the 9th here represents inlaws, that would be Saturn, which is placed deep in my 4th, trining mars in the 8th (other peoples money)
So my answer is YES my father in law did help in stealing my jewelry.

Thank you for opening my eyes to the directness of the question.

Love, light TRUTH

Blessings.

[cassanra]

mars in the 4th indicates a young man in 20s and someone from your household. IN Cap implies it is in low place as Starlink suggests. Venus rules the valuables and is in the 6th house of servants...I suspect you have some workers who may have worked in conjunction with SAturn...someone hiding behind the scenes...an older person of authority. I just gave it a brief look so will try to look at it latter.

[millionora]

mars in the 4th indicates a young man in 20s and someone from your household. IN Cap implies it is in low place as Starlink suggests. Venus rules the valuables and is in the 6th house of servants...I suspect you have some workers who may have worked in conjunction with SAturn...someone hiding behind the scenes...an older person of authority. I just gave it a brief look so will try to look at it latter.

Well at the time Cassanra the driver was my age meaning at that time we were both 30, therefore going back to the father-in-law(saturn) connection with driver,

Thank you graciously Cassanra as i do want closure.

funny how i never asked about this issue again since then,perhaps i wasn't in a strong enough position to move forward productively towards the truth, now i am. am also so greatful to you all,

when i do get to the bottom of this and get the truth, if anything is recovered i will donate the monetary value to this forum. that is my promise.

Love, light, and Truth!

Blessings!

[millionora]

HELLO ALL,
BY THE WAY, I JUST CHECKED THE SYNASTRY BETWEEN MY FATHER-IN-LAW AND MYSELF, SOMETHING INTERESTING APPEARED, HIS NATAL SUN AND PLUTO ARE SITTING NICELY IN MY 12TH HOUSE OF HIDDEN ENEMIES AND SECRETS:eek: !

JUST SOME FOOD FOR THOUGHT!

WHEN PEOPLE SAY IT WAS ALL IN THE STARS, IT WAS NO JOKE IT REALLY IS....

LOVE, LIGHT, TRUTH

BLESSINGS.

[lillyjgc]

Millionora,

BY THE WAY, I JUST CHECKED THE SYNASTRY BETWEEN MY FATHER-IN-LAW AND MYSELF, SOMETHING INTERESTING APPEARED, HIS NATAL SUN AND PLUTO ARE SITTING NICELY IN MY 12TH HOUSE OF HIDDEN ENEMIES AND SECRETS:eek: !

Interesting though that may be, it is in no way relevant to your horary chart. It is best to start with an open mind and see what the horary chart shows, rather than looking for evidence to support a pre conceived notion.
Cheers,
Lillyjgc

[cassanra]

Yes, Lillygc has a point. As I was reading back to your orginal prelude the question is not clear to me. I see clearly the question 'will they be recovered?" and if that is the question it is quite possible. Venus sometimes represents valuable, luxury items, lost objects and it is in your 6th house of servants or people who work underneath you. second house is mars and it can also be lost goods and the moon is lost objects. If we use mars or the moon as the lost jewels they are in scorpio water signs=lowlands, lower level, near moisture or liquids, damp places, bathrooms, kitchens, laundry rooms, near plumbing. By direction N by E.
Lilly's indicators for finding missing things:
(pg 185 Anthony Loius Horary Astrology Plain and Simple)
1. ascendent sign
2. sign of the ruler of the asc
3. sign on the 4th house
4. The sing of the ruler of the 4th
5. The sign of the Moon
6. the sign of the ruler of the 2nd
7. The sign of the ruler of the part of fortune (which you need in this case)
2nd =moveable goods, the moon=natural rulers of fugitives. venus=ruler of valuables, the dispositer of the part of Fortune
I pulled the chart in Election helper and the Part of fortune is in the 11th house 3 '31" leo . The depositor of the part of fortune is the sun. the sun is in the 4th. The 4th house can represent mislayed objects.
to locate anthony Loius uses direction based on planet and signs of the significant rulers and in this case it would be mars, venus, the moon and the sun. water=as noted above near some liquid ie bathroom, kitchen. Mars in earth=at the floor, near pavement...low. Air for the sun=up stairs, near windows, near clean air. Directionaly mostly indicators say north. If we use the 4th house ruler it is saturn and it is in the 12 or hidden. Interestingly enough the moon will triine the POF as it enters the 3rd house of communication, brothers, sisters. Its last aspect was a sextile to the sun in the 4th misplaced items. If we just use mars as the locator it would be south and mars rules fiery red, shiny objects, saffron, yellow. In the fourth is red. So near something red. Capricorn might be russet or darker colors.
I would suggest giving it a shot. The POF the moon suggests communicating with someone...possibly family.

[cassanra]

If we follow the question "who stole my jewels' as posted Anthony Louis uses the ruler of the 7th, peregrine planets in angles (the sun in this case) or in the second house indicate thiefs (the moon is peregrine and in the second). The sun indicate men 35-45. the moon usually represents women. Mars usually men younger then the sun. So we have three possible candidates if we are looking at 'who stole my jewels". Saturn is not peregrine nor in an angle so lets not look at that. If mars is the goods it is in the moons trip indicating that it is with the woman. The only bad news is with that logic is that the moon squares venus and squares saturn the end of the matter indicating frustration in getting them back. Sorry for all the confusion. I have found my mothers cat using horary and found a missing case file but clearly not an expert:)