will his surgery be successful?

[barbh]

http://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?cid=j7vfileQ3teIr-u1219040081&lang=e&gm=a1&nhor=3&nho2=4&btyp=2&mth=gw&sday=18&smon=1&syr=2009&hsy=5&zod=&orbp=&rs=0&add=18&ast=

My friend asked this question, and I'm not very good at medical questions, so need the practice.

I asked him to define 'successful', and he said he was having shoulder surgery, and he said it was to 'relieve current pain and provide better range of motion.' Can't get more specific than that. He's scheduled in for this week.

Well, he's merc retro in the 9th house. We use thw 10th for surgery, correct?
It's ruled by Saturn retro in the 5th. The querent has great MR with the surgery, so that's a good thing. They like each other, or the surgery has power over him, but from a place of rulership and triplicity, so power over him in a positive way?
Saturn retro by itself may not be so hot though....with both planets retro, him and the surgery, it could mean he may have to go back for some reason, or re-do some part of it.
The question is, will it be successful?
The moon's next aspects are all positive, trine venus ruler of the 6th of illness, the sextile mars, ruler of surgery, and then sextile saturn, ruler of the surgery.

Is it a yes....or a no?

thanks :)
barbh

[millionora]

Hi,,
i have always heard and known and follow that never ever buy anything,
make any major decisions, or have any surgery under a scorpio moon. plus the fact that the moon is squaring merc which is already retro, is not so positive.....i wouldn't even risk it..
i would wait for merc to move direct and and schedule the surgery under a aries or sagitarrian moon.

but that my own personal advice that i follow.
Best of luck to your friend. really.

Love, light, Truth...

Blessings.

[barbh]

I'm with you millionora
I would never do it under these circumstances myself, but he's not an astrologer, and its a definite go. He's booked it with this well-known sports surgeon who does professional athletes (he used to play pro football) and he's getting it done...its not a question of 'if', he just wants to know the outcome. Hence, the horary.

barbh:)

[cassanra]

My info has 8th house as surgery. Mars, ruler of surgeons, is in his house and trining the ruler of the 8th and they are moving toward each other. However, the querant is in the 9th, insurance, legal proceedings...
Mercury and mars are under the sun beams so it is questionable. It is in saturn house, triplicity and term so he wants this surgery. The surgeon is in saturn rulership and is exalted in the house so he is a good surgeon.
mercury and saturn have mixed reception and mutual reception and I think they are both ready to go.
The moon is really weak, Barbh. Even though it connects to the sun in the end by Election helper its strength is -10 which is very weak. Its last aspect to the sun (the sun is in its house of joy) 9th house legal, insurance? I am not so sure. There does not appear to be a connection from the surgeon to the querant. If we read it it implies the insurance will not allow the surgery.

[barbh]

Hi cassanra

Check out Frawley p. 188


'the 10th is the treatment that is being given. In some cases surgery is part of that treatment....The idea that it is 8th house is wrong; the aim of surgery is to keep us out of the 8th house. In practice we usually go straight to Mars, natural ruler of surgery..


Insurance is not an issue here. He is loaded anyway, even if he did not have insurance it would not be a problem.
I am not sure if you can use mars as the surgeon, but more as the surgery itself...or maybe they are the same thing in this context. Mars, the surgery, is disposited by Saturn, so the surgeon should be Saturn, which makes sense cause Saturn rules the 10th of surgery anyway.

The moon never actually makes it to the Sun before it leaves its current sign. Its last aspect is a sextile to Saturn.

barbh :)

[cassanra]

Okay....that is interesting. The 8th house is also known as the house of rehabilitation...death/ birth but I see your point. The only thing is the weak state of the moon...and then the ruler retro...I am not so sure.

[LionKing]

I 2nd Millionora... never surgery when Moon is in Scorpio. V/r LionKing

[barbh]

okay, so how does that read into the chart interpretation and the answer to the question?

barbh:)

[RayAustin]

'the 10th is the treatment that is being given. In some cases surgery is part of that treatment....The idea that it is 8th house is wrong; the aim of surgery is to keep us out of the 8th house. In practice we usually go straight to Mars, natural ruler of surgery..

What book are you quoting Barbh? The horary textbook? LOL, Frawley's so funny and sarcastic, I love it. I need to grab that book if I have the green.

Ray:)

[barbh]

Yes, its the Horary Textbook. I've always loved his humour too!

barbh

[cassanra]

Honestly Barbh...everything looks good except no direct connection between mercury and saturn accept mutual reception which may say 'yes' it will turn out fine but I do find it interesting that the sun (I know , I know) is aspected by both saturn and merc...saturn separating and merc applying...I think it is telling us something about how it will come about...it will not go exactly as planned...the sun rules the 7th from the 10th..you have the moon via combust....maybe a fever, or illness, or infection....maybe the sun is another professional. The sun acts as some sort of translator...merc does become joined (cazimi) with the sun maybe increasing his strength....and I do think the moon gets to the sun before it changes houses according to the empheris....I think the sun has a positive note in this situation..so the answer is 'it will be touch and go" and someone else or some other process will bring him the strength he wants..since the sun occupies the 12th from the 10th then maybe it is simply rehabilitation ie physical therapy.

[cassanra]

Barbh, sorry about that ...misread the ephemeris....the sun does out run the moon but clearly is within orb. There are varying opinions on that moon and orb at the cusp issue but you do not want a new moon situation in horary...not so very good so..mercury joins the sun right about the same time so it is an interesting situation.

[AquariusT]

Hi,,
i have always heard and known and follow that never ever buy anything,
make any major decisions, or have any surgery under a scorpio moon. plus the fact that the moon is squaring merc which is already retro, is not so positive.....i wouldn't even risk it..
i would wait for merc to move direct and and schedule the surgery under a aries or sagitarrian moon.

but that my own personal advice that i follow.
Best of luck to your friend. really.

Love, light, Truth...

Blessings.

I agree with this. My cousin planned surgery next month on that scorpio moon, and I asked her to change it and she did. She believes. =) I am still nervous for her though. She picked the sag moon the next day.

[millionora]

Hey Aquarious T is it possible for you to create a Postdate chart for your cousin, you might be able to ease your nervousness if you can see the result...just a thought
i definitley would try, you can blame my merc in scorp for that, wanting to know everything..

Best of luck to your cousin..

love, light, Truth

Blessings!

[barbh]

Can any of the experts help with this chart?

At this point I think i would tell him it would be successful for the most part, but that he would likely have to go back for some reason....

AG said in some other thread

A retrograde significator can indicate a change of something: heart, plans, ideas. In a common sign (mutable) it can indicate swiftly changing circumstances. I wouldn't count on whatever or whoever is signified by Saturn, to remain fixed.



Need more input on this chart and what is going to happen
thanks

barbh :)

[RayAustin]

Hey babe, I'll take a look as well. I was going to last night, but I was soooo tired and my mind doesn't work well with horary like that. :p

R

[RayAustin]

Hi Barb :)

I think there will be certain delays with the surgery. Mercury does not aspect Jupiter or Saturn directly, the moon is also slow and extremely weak, and is the only way the querent gets connected to the surgery (sextiles to Mars and Saturn).

Luna has to pass a few aspects before she gets to Mars and Saturn. Mars is strong, but his position is very questionable in the eighth house! Mars acts as a fortune in his exaltation, however he is not well placed in the eighth house, Mars, is also burnt by the sun, as is Mercury, and Jupiter -- this is not good.

The doctor is probably less than stellar, and Mercury retrograde as someone else suggested I think, will show that he may need to come back, especially since the ascendant is the surgery end of things.

Based on Mars' position, I do not think the surgery will be successful simply by it's placement in the eighth (also showing it may be very expensive), and the trine from Mars to Saturn. Saturn as a retrograde treatment indicates the surgery going in the wrong direction--instead of helping, it may make the situation worse. It's true that Merc has mutual reception, but they are both retrograde, so it can't possibly override that into something beneficial.

So I highly doubt the surgery proceeds well! Mars (which is also the hospital) burnt and in the eighth signifies that it is a loss to him. At least the north node in the 10th implies that he will get a lot of assistance in the matter, and from the doctor, but you would never want your doctor's signifcator combust.
Ray:(

[barbh]

Just found the Part of Surgery in Frawleys book. He suggests plugging it in and then look at receptions etc..

It is Asc + Saturn -Mars

I've calculated it to be 18 Aquarius.

Well, that doesn't really tell us much. In the 10th, disposited by a retro Saturn, conjunct Chiron. Well yeah, he is wounded.

What about other parts
uh oh....Saturn opposes the Part of Fortune

Part of Danger or Peril is exact to the minute conjunct the Asc

Those don't bode too well at all.

The fact that the north node is on the MC must be a positive thing though.

......hmmm

[starlink]

Barbh, I have not had time to look at this one yet, but just a thing about the part of fortune. In Frawleys book you can read that Fortune is actually only usable in questions about money and lawsuit outcomes. You should use Arabic parts in relation to the question. So in this question, looking at the part of surgery is OK, but part of fortune is not really applicable.
You asked

We use thw 10th for surgery, correct?


I am not native English, so dont know what you mean by thw, but I take it you mean that surgery is signified by the 10th house. I believe it is not. Ît is ruled by the 8th house.


The question is, will it be successful?


In other words, will the surgery be successful. Look at the 4th of the 8th.

I will post this first, mercury retro is being tricky with me and I lost several posts before this one.

[barbh]

Star, check my post below where I quoted Frawley as saying the 10th is for surgery, and Mars, but never the 8th house.
But, good point. The outcome of the surgery could then be the 4th of the 10th, which would be the 1st. Ruled by merc retro.....:-) returning for some reason. However, merc is the outcome and is in the rulership and trip of Saturn, so the outcome is happy with the surgery, which is to say, he is happy with the outcome. ?


barbh :)

[starlink]

Well, just in time, because starting with this post, I already lost it once!! good start, oh oh!!

Anyways, I will go on. Saturn is also ruler 8, so yes, he is retrograde.
Mercury is retrograde and Moon is in the 6th, very appropriate and weak in Scorpio. It all shows in what physical state the querent is. In order to know if the operation will be a success, we must look at aspects between the 8th and the 10th (I think, for success). Both are ruled by that Saturn retro.

Moon will trine Venus, then sextile that Mars (operation) in the 8th, then as last aspect sextile Sun. All seems to look good.

You were right about the mutual receptions. This is a very good sign indeed.
The fact that Saturn is retrograde maybe shows that the surgery could be re-scheduled maybe or delayed for some reason.

Jupiter rules the end of the surgery and is placed in own house and in term of Saturn retro. In itself a good mix I would say. What I think is that the operation will be delayed, but when it will be done, will end well.

After all, Mercury will turn direct again and then conjunct Jupiter. He is not too far away from him.

[barbh]

Star, why do you say surgery is 8th house?

Frawley says its the 10th, and Mars.

The moon never makes it to the Sun before it moves into Aquarius.

barbh :)

[starlink]

Barb, we have to start over again. You are right, the 8th house is not surgery, but according to Anthony Louis, it is the 6th house. Surgery itself is Mars. So now I have to look again. Somehow I cannot agree with the 10th house, but that is my own feeling, so I go with 6th which looks quite OK in this chart if you see that the Moon is placed there, hence intercepted in Scorpio. But Venus, ruler of the surgery is very strong in Pisces and in the fortunate 11th, so I feel good from that alone.

Now Louis says that you have to look at the receptions with the patiend and the illness. I wonder what the illness falls under. Probably Saturn if you think it has to do with bones.

[starlink]

About that Moon-Sun, it is still possible in very early degrees of the next sign to make the aspect.

[starlink]

Now the 4th of the 6th is ruled by Saturn retro in own term en in face of Mercury, the querent. And as we have seen thêre is a good MR between them, so again, I feel confident that all will end well. Oh yes, and the 10th is also ruled by Saturn, so success and the outcome are one and the same. What do you think about this?

[barbh]

AG always said the 6th is more illness. Frawley said that surgery in and of itself is a 6th house thing, but when its trying to cure something or is part of a treatment, as it is here, then its a 10th house thing.,. Kind of like the 9th house is of learned people and rules lawyers, but a lawyer who is actively representing you is the 7th. So, surgery by itself is a 6th house process, but not when its the cure.

barbh:)

[starlink]

Oh boy, it is more complicated than you think isn't it. Anthony Louis adds that in fact, we can also go straigth away to Mars , natural ruler of surgery.

He says that strong mutual reception either with the treating doctor (7th house), the surgery or the treatment is very important for a good outcome. This is the case here. Also if the illness is disposited by the doctor, than it shows the doctor has power over the illness instead of the other way around.
Jupiter in this case is dispositor of Venus, in other words, he has power over the illness, so it looks very good indeed.

[barbh]

Star said


He says that strong mutual reception either with the treating doctor (7th house), the surgery or the treatment is very important for a good outcome. This is the case here. Also if the illness is disposited by the doctor, than it shows the doctor has power over the illness instead of the other way around.
Jupiter in this case is dispositor of Venus, in other words, he has power over the illness, so it looks very good indeed.


Yes Star, I see what you mean. There is good reception there...a good sign indeed.

what do you make of merc being retrograde, and saturn being retrograde?

RayAustin made some good points:

Mercury does not aspect Jupiter or Saturn directly, the moon is the only way the querent gets connected to the surgery (sextiles to Mars and Saturn).
Mars is strong, but his position is very questionable in the eighth house! Mars is not well placed in the eighth house, Mars, is also burnt by the sun, as is Mercury, and Jupiter -- this is not good.
Mercury retrograde as someone else suggested I think, will show that he may need to come back, especially since the ascendant is the surgery end of things.
Based on Mars' position, I do not think the surgery will be successful simply by it's placement in the eighth. Saturn as a retrograde treatment indicates the surgery going in the wrong direction--instead of helping, it may make the situation worse. It's true that Merc has mutual reception, but they are both retrograde, so it can't possibly override that into something beneficial.So I highly doubt the surgery proceeds well! Mars (which is also the hospital) burnt and in the eighth signifies that it is a loss to him. At least the north node in the 10th implies that he will get a lot of assistance in the matter, and from the doctor

This is true....mars in the 8th can't be good, althouhg it is in a strong sign. And the points about the retrograde planets...and the outcome being retrograde! I think he'll have to have it re-done...or part of it re-done.

thanks
barbh:)

[RayAustin]

I'm sorry Star. I don't see that the surgery ends well, especially not with a retrograde end of things significator that is combust. Did you forget the surgery significators are combust/under the sunbeams as well? Mutual reception can't save that!

Ray.:)

[RayAustin]

Here's the 57th horary consideration from Anima Astrologiae:

The 57th is, to consider whether the significator be in the Eighth from the Ascendant?
For if he be there, and a Fortune, though he do not harm, he will do no good; and if he be an Infortune he will do greater mischief than in any other place of the Figure;

[Kaiousei no Senshi]

A lot of people have been saying that Luna in Scorpio is bad for surgery, this is true, however, it's my understanding that this isn't an applicable aphorism for this situation. Barb said the question was asked, not that this is a date for the surgery, the surgery is later this week. The Moon will be in neither Scorpio nor Taurus, so the person will be fine as far as that's concerned.

Mars, is also burnt by the sun

Close, within the beams. Lacking clarity.

Another thing, if we're going to read a chart, we're going to have to agree on houses here. I'm not sure why surgery would need more than once house, as surgery is only a medical treatment used in order to cure something, and cures and medicines are signified by the Tenth house. The Eighth house is death and the Sixth house is illness or injury, we want those houses to be weak or not at all involved.

First house is the physical constitution of the querent in this case.*
Fourth house is the end result of it all.
Seventh house is the surgeon in this case.*
Tenth house is the surgery.
Eleventh house is the mental constitution of the querent.

(*In cases of an event chart, these houses switch as obviously, the surgeon initiates the surgery since patients can't do surgery on themselves.)

The first house lord is peregrine, cadent, retrograde Mercury. Not starting out so well, indicating (as Ray said) a need for a follow up. There is some hope with Saturn being the treatment being mutually received by Mercury, who is the querent, though I feel it is false hope. The surgery may appear to work for a time, but then other complications may emerge as a result of the surgery some time later. This may make the most sense as to what the chart shows happening. The surgery and the querent receiving one another, but then the querent returning due to complications.

The doctor seems relatively okay, being Jupiter is good for a doctor. Jupiter is Jupiter regardless of constitution in medical stuff.

I am, though concerned with the Fourth house lord (end of the matter) being Sol in his current condition. Sol is moving from Capricorn to Aquarius, peregrine to deteriment, suggesting the situation is about to worsen. So I would expect to see that doctor again. Or well...maybe not. :D

[archergirl]

What an interesting chart!

I have some reservations about the 'success' of the surgery, barbh.

1. The querent and the cure (Saturn, 10th) are both retrograde; although they behold one another by MR there is no aspect between them, so there is no true 'reception'. This suggests 'recurrence', or that it will have to be done again, or that it will only partly resolve the pain. Mercury is not only retrograde, but Under the Beams, headed for combustion. The first thing that springs to mind is 'infection'. :( In illness charts we take the planet that is afflicting the querent to be the 'bad guy'/the illness itself; in this case, it's the Sun, and Mercury moves toward it.

2. The Moon sits in fall in the house of illness. It applies to trine Venus (6th ruler). Venus is very strong and is in the sign of Mercury's fall. The Moon is Mars' sign: the natural ruler of surgery and cutting. Taking all of this together, especially since Venus and Saturn mutually apply to oppose one another, I would venture to say again that there will be only a 'partial' cure...if he's lucky. Venus actually sits in the 11th of relief and comfort...so this is encouraging, although sitting so close to Uranus is a cause for some concern.

3. But the main point is that both Mercury AND Saturn are retrograde; Mercury actually gets 'worse' in this chart; there is no aspect between Mercury and Saturn, or Mercury and the Moon, or Saturn and the Moon.

This would suggest that this won't be the last surgery on his shoulder.

Let's hope that the chart (or the astrologer reading it:D ) is proven wrong.

AG:)

[starlink]

mars in the 8th can't be good,

I think that in the light of this question, it is very significantly placed in that 8th house. Through surgery, Mars has to transform an existing problem by cutting into it and removing the damage.

[starlink]

what do you make of merc being retrograde, and saturn being retrograde?

I will have to go with AG and Kaioushei on this one. Looking at it closer (last night past midnight was not really the best time for me to do this). The surgery will not necessarily be un-successful, but probably it will not eliminate all problems. After all the surgeon is good and disposes over Venus.
Mercury moving into combustion is indeed a sign of increasing weakness.

Yes, he might have to come back again for an additional follow up treatment or surgery.
I also looked at that end of the matter house Sun and Kai's description of it is very adequate (his whole post as a matter of fact). I was also thinking that the actual surgery would take place at a time when Moon would not anymore be in Scorpio.

I wonder though, why Anthony Louis uses the 6th for surgery. His exact words are (page 188 in his book Horary plain and simple) that the 10th rules indeed the treatment but that in itself, however, surgery is a 6th house matter. He also says that if you have to make a distinction between doctor and surgeon, like "my docter says to me this, but my surgeon suggests that", he than takes the ruler of the 7th as the doctor and uses the dispositor of the planet signifying the surgery (usually Mars) for the surgeon.

Personally I also have trouble with treatment versus procedure. A treatment I see more as a treatment with medicins or therapy, and surgery as a procedure, short, after which a treatment will follow. But this is just me so dont pay attention tô this:).

[RayAustin]

I think that in the light of this question, it is very significantly placed in that 8th house. Through surgery, Mars has to transform an existing problem by cutting into it and removing the damage.

That's a poetic way to look at it, but it's also the house of loss and death, nothing good really. :P In the circumstances of this question, anyway. Like Frawley says, the point of surgery is to keep us out of the eighth house!

[RayAustin]

Close, within the beams. Lacking clarity.


In anima astrologiae, Mars is still combust :P Though he is better off being oriental. At least he is considered a fortune in the chart; but even a fortune in the eighth house does no good.


The doctor seems relatively okay, being Jupiter is good for a doctor. Jupiter is Jupiter regardless of constitution in medical stuff.

Jupiter can't be counted on too much, even the fortunes act evil. Jupiter is burnt and behind the sun which is worse off, he is peregrine and cadent where he therefore acts like a malefic. However this is only accidental --- so my thing is, though he means well (and in the ninth, he may be perceived as well learned but his condition says otherwise), he doesn't end up doing a good job as a doctor.

Did you notice Mars is in fall of Jupiter? Doesn't seem like a good connection for surgery and doc.

Ray:)

[Kaiousei no Senshi]

But Anima Astrologiea doesn't seem to have any reason for setting the Combust limit to 12°. The usual rule is eight-and-a-half degrees which is the orb of moeity of Sol. The beams being 8 1/2-17 degrees is the orb of Sol's light. That way when it's Within the Beams, it's under the sun's light and so is difficult to see. However, if it's Combust, then it's touching the body of Sol, thus getting burned and crispy.

I'm not sure why Anima Astrologiea decided to be different and try to make a new rule, but the fact that 12° isn't connected to solar characteristics the way the previous set up was.

[RayAustin]

But Anima Astrologiea doesn't seem to have any reason for setting the Combust limit to 12°. The usual rule is eight-and-a-half degrees which is the orb of moeity of Sol. The beams being 8 1/2-17 degrees is the orb of Sol's light. That way when it's Within the Beams, it's under the sun's light and so is difficult to see. However, if it's Combust, then it's touching the body of Sol, thus getting burned and crispy.

I'm not sure why Anima Astrologiea decided to be different and try to make a new rule, but the fact that 12° isn't connected to solar characteristics the way the previous set up was.

Well 'they' didn't try. They did it. :P Lilly is in agreement with it and points it out, it's pointed out numerous times. They actually use combust, and under the sunbeams interchangably, suggesting there is no difference. Anima Astrologiae is Lilly's revised points of Christian Astrology. He also uses "we" when describing things, so this isn't only purely his idea. It's written 30 years after Christian Astrology, so I'm sure there is some reason of experience that he revises it.

Ray:)

[Kaiousei no Senshi]

"We" is probably Culpeper and himself. :D

Writing it in a book doesn't make it so, Lilly, nuh-uh. Especially not without some kind of reasoning behind it.

[RayAustin]

"We" is probably Culpeper and himself. :D

Writing it in a book doesn't make it so, Lilly, nuh-uh. Especially not without some kind of reasoning behind it.

"If it's good enough for Lilly, it's good enough for me! "
That should be a slogan. :p Hehe. But how are you going to use a man's word against his own word? Lol. Especially since it's the revised work. :P

Ray

[Kaiousei no Senshi]

Because Lilly isn't the originator of the 8 1/2° Combustion...so it's not him fighting himself.

[barbh]

Thanks for all that amazing insight you guys!

The surgery is scheduled for the morning of Jan 23. The moon is in Cap, but void actually :p . Even if it was late morning, the moon is at 6 Cap ...and its next aspect is a trine to retro Saturn, but that's 15 degrees away. Moon Saturn orb is 10.3
That gives us even more info, on top of the horary
He will undoubtedly need to return to have some part of it re-done, or to attend to a resulting complication.

Ray said

However this is only accidental --- so my thing is, though he means well (and in the ninth, he may be perceived as well learned but his condition says otherwise), he doesn't end up doing a good job as a doctor.


I get how this could be true, since this particular surgeon is 'famous' for doing professional athletes. That could be the Jupiterian part....but just cause he's famous doesn't mean he's amazing.

I don't want to scare the poor man, but I think we all agree its not looking too good. It even looks like it may get worse before it gets better. I certainly hope its not an infection. I'll tell him what AG said in her post...the part about


I would venture to say again that there will be only a 'partial' cure...if he's lucky.


I'll say something about partial relief, but that he'll undoubtedly need to go back for complete relief, or that a complication may arise that needs tending to. Whatever it is, one surgery won't do it! Or even, that it may be rescheduled...void and all!

barbh:)

[RayAustin]

Because Lilly isn't the originator of the 8 1/2° Combustion...so it's not him fighting himself.

Is that where you say 'king me'? :P :39:

[barbh]

Okay, just told him today what the chart said, and he now he's wondering if he should cancel. I told him that I would! He said that if he cancels it will take another year for him to get in.
It's all bad. We'll see if he asks a different question about this or not.....

barbh:)

[RayAustin]

Okay, just told him today what the chart said, and he now he's wondering if he should cancel. I told him that I would! He said that if he cancels it will take another year for him to get in.
It's all bad. We'll see if he asks a different question about this or not.....

barbh:)

Geez...
Isn't there any way he can go to another hospital to get it done sooner?

:(

[barbh]

I just talked to him again.

Sounds like he's going to go for it. He said its just too painful to wait.

So, at least we'll get some feedback sooner than later

will keep you posted

barbh :)

[barbh]

Just a quick update.

Surgery went very well, according to the doctor. He did have the flu virus in his body at the time of the surgery, (that he didn't know about) so he had some fluid on his lungs, which they had to deal with, but otherwise all is fine. They expect a normal recovery.
Well, guess we'll see won't we, with all those retrograde planets i expect something to develop at some point down the line.

barbh

[RayAustin]

Just a quick update.

Surgery went very well, according to the doctor. He did have the flu virus in his body at the time of the surgery, (that he didn't know about) so he had some fluid on his lungs, which they had to deal with, but otherwise all is fine. They expect a normal recovery.
Well, guess we'll see won't we, with all those retrograde planets i expect something to develop at some point down the line.

barbh

How long was this ago?

Anyway, I'm not so sure I believe a combust doctor. :rolleyes:

Ray:)

[barbh]

Anyway, I'm not so sure I believe a combust doctor. :rolleyes:


Exactly. They don't know everything.
It was 10 days ago.
I suppose time will tell

barbh :)

[archergirl]

I have a client who had shoulder surgery...the surgery went well, no infections and whatnot, but three months later he still can't lift his shoulder to where they thought he ought to be able to lift it by now. I hope this isn't what happens...:(

Sometimes it's good to be wrong in horary!:p

AG:)

[barbh]

Update -

He has to go back in to get more surgery! Yep, the surgeon told him a few days ago that there is 100% chance that he needs to go back in to do more socket work. Surgeon says it could be one year, or 5 years...all depends on his pain level.

So, there we go! Horary is right again :p

barbh :)

[RayAustin]

Barb,
is he a believer now? Perhaps he will elect a surgery date when the moon isn't in scorpio. :p

Ray

[barbh]

The moon was not in Scorpio during the surgery. It was in Scorpio in the horary chart.

He says he's quite astounded with the accuracy of the prediction ..... :D

barbh :)