her mars conjunct his chiron

[pluto 74]

Hi everyone,
I was thinking of this aspect but I can not draw any conclusions...
Anybody has an idea or an experience?
Thanks in advance

[starlink]

Pluto, why not give it a try? What have you read about Chiron and what do you know about Mars. Then combine the two. See what you can come up with and we will follow. Does not matter if you get it "wrong" (although with Chiron interpretations everyone can get it wrong really if you ask me). It is the only way to learn and get out of this Greenhorn lounge:)

Starlink

[pluto 74]

Pluto, why not give it a try? What have you read about Chiron and what do you know about Mars. Then combine the two. See what you can come up with and we will follow. Does not matter if you get it "wrong" (although with Chiron interpretations everyone can get it wrong really if you ask me). It is the only way to learn and get out of this Greenhorn lounge:)

Starlink

starlink good idea
but i did not wanted to influence people.
so here I go:
since mars is her's it may represent the kind of a man a woman wants.
I see chiron especially his as something karmic, something " ment to be"...
In a relationship i see this aspect as a positive sign...
but then chiron is not a light planet, but mars also does not play around...
despite this, i still feel it is a positive aspect, i see it as karmic as a salvation for the martian energy but also as an additional strenght and concretion...
let me know what you think...

[freedomlover]

Signs and houses would add alot to the flavor of the interpretation.

[pluto 74]

Signs and houses would add alot to the flavor of the interpretation.

sign is aries...

[freedomlover]

sign is aries...
Okay, we'll go just with sign then. Houses would add even more flavor.

But if her Mars in Aries is conjunct his Chiron in Aries.... it could really play out one of two ways, depending on their level of emotional maturity and spiritual development.

If that level is high- then she could help him release old wounds (Chiron) concerning right expression of self and identity issues - also lots of anger issues (Aries) could be addressed. She would need to express her Mars in Aries as being assertive, rather than angry. She would need to stand up for her rights, but not at the expense of his. She could mirror to him the right way to assert himself, without being aggressive.

If that level is low, and she expresses herself selfishly or aggressively, she could trigger his Chiron wounds - and it could get very ugly. Her behavior could be a trigger for him to release all that stored up anger towards her.

[pluto 74]

Okay, we'll go just with sign then. Houses would add even more flavor.

But if her Mars in Aries is conjunct his Chiron in Aries.... it could really play out one of two ways, depending on their level of emotional maturity and spiritual development.

If that level is high- then she could help him release old wounds (Chiron) concerning right expression of self and identity issues - also lots of anger issues (Aries) could be addressed. She would need to express her Mars in Aries as being assertive, rather than angry. She would need to stand up for her rights, but not at the expense of his. She could mirror to him the right way to assert himself, withoug being aggressive.

If that level is low, and she expresses herself selfishly or aggressively, she could trigger his Chiron wounds - and it could get very ugly. Her behavior could be a trigger for him to release all that stored up anger towards her.


his house 11, her house not sure...

[freedomlover]

his house 11, her house not sure...

Ok, just his house, then. Chiron in Aries in the 11th would accentuate that his issues concern personal freedom and individuality. He probably also has issues with rebellion. Sometimes people with these kind of issues will do the opposite of what someone wants them to do - just to get some kind of semblance of personal freedom. Even if it's what they really want to do - if they feel forced - they won't do it.

[pluto 74]

Ok, just his house, then. Chiron in Aries in the 11th would accentuate that his issues concern personal freedom and individuality. He probably also has issues with rebellion. Sometimes people with these kind of issues will do the opposite of what someone wants them to do - just to get some kind of semblance of personal freedom. Even if it's what they really want to do - if they feel forced - they won't do it.

It is not clear to me if I should consider chiron as active or passive...
not sure if I can explain clearly:
in your last post it seems to me the quality of chiron being active ( rebelion, individuality )
in your previous posts chiron had a passive attitude ( wounds, lost identity)
is it both?

[freedomlover]

It is not clear to me if I should consider chiron as active or passive...
not sure if I can explain clearly:
in your last post it seems to me the quality of chiron being active ( rebelion, individuality )
in your previous posts chiron had a passive attitude ( wounds, lost identity)
is it both?

It is both. Like I said, it depends on the emotional/spiritual maturity between them. The wounding can be healed if it is a mature relationship, and thus Chiron would be passive. Or if it is not a mature one, the wounds could be reopened with no healing, thus making the Chiron person active.

One other possibility, since you brought it up..... Another way the Chiron person could be active (in a good way) is if his Chiron in Aries issues have already been very much healed... then he could assert a healing influence on her Mars in Aries issues - teaching her to be more balanced and healthy with it.

But the role Chiron plays depends, again, on level of emotional/spiritual maturity - if he needs healing or is the healer -- make sense?

FL

[pluto 74]

It is both. Like I said, it depends on the emotional/spiritual maturity between them. The wounding can be healed if it is a mature relationship, and thus Chiron would be passive. Or if it is not a mature one, the wounds could be reopened with no healing, thus making the Chiron person active.

One other possibility, since you brought it up..... Another way the Chiron person could be active (in a good way) is if his Chiron in Aries issues have already been very much healed... then he could assert a healing influence on her Mars in Aries issues - teaching her to be more balanced and healthy with it.

But the role Chiron plays depends, again, on level of emotional/spiritual maturity - if he needs healing or is the healer -- make sense?

FL

perfectly clear,
thx

[Shining Ray]

I have this aspect exact in synastry with my partner. I am Chiron and he is Mars. In the Mars Quartet book it says this:


With Mars-Chiron contacts in synastry, Chiron can get badly hurt. We are very vulnerable according to where Chiron is placed in the natal chart, and we have layers of defences to protect our vulnerability. Mars thunders in and says "Aha! This person is really attractive because I have to break down a barrier to get to them. What a wonderful challenge!" To Mars, nothing is quite as enticing as what it cannot have. But Mars isn't really conscious of the pain this kind of thoughtless self-affirmation can inflict. Chiron keeps saying, "But I've already been broken down. That's why the barrier is there. Try a softer approach. But Mars cannot understand this. It makes no sense to the war-god. This is a difficult synastry combination, although having Mars in a water sigh may help.


It seems my Chiron pain turns him on.

[astrologer50]

for further research on chiron try here --

Chiron thread
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http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17165 (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17165)
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