which house to assign?

[whitey]

hey guys,

i am just wondering.

i asked career questions. i wanted to ask which career path i should follow: normal company or humanitarian agencies(ngos). which house should be assigned to which, you think? 11th house for humanitarian work? but both 10th and 11th significators are saturn.

thanks,

whitey

p.s. moderators, this post had to be on career section?? i wouldnt post chart here, though.

[RayAustin]

Hey whitey,

I was surprised to see this because I didn't think so at first, but this is a proper horary question, as it's in "The Doctrine of Horary Questions" by Gadbury; he phrases it as "What Magistery or Profession will be best for any one to follow?" under the condition that the querent is capable of such a profession and it is not out of their league.

I will give you the rules he use (good luck applying modern terms! Lol).:p


1. You are to consider the Lord of the Ascendant, and the moon, for the Person enquiring; and the Lord of the tenth House, and the Planets Mars and Venus, for the Trade or Profession of the Querent, &c. and consider the Aspects between the significators according to the Signs you finde them posited in, and so judge of the Profession of the Querent.

2. If the Significators or the major part of them shall happen in fiery Signs, you may judge the Querent will do well in any Profession that relates thereunto, according to his capacity of birth; as, if he be of quality suitable, let him turn Chymist, Physitian, Chirurgeon, Goldsmith, Silversmith, Jeweller or Apothecary: If of a mean condition he may make a good Armorer, Cutler, Smith, Baker, Glas-maker, or the like.

3. The Significators in Aereal Signs, if the birth of the Querent be not mean, he may make a good Lawyer, Arithmetician Accomptant, Geometrician or Surveyor, Scriverner, Clerk, Astronomer, &c. But if he be of mean Parentage, he may make a good Haberdasher of small Wares, a Millianor, a Painter, Draper, or one that may deal in all retain Commodities.

4. But if the Significators shall be in early [earth] Signs, the Querent may make a good Farmer, or Husbandman, Gardner, Groom, Grasier, Farrier or Coach-maker, Butcher or Brick-maker, Joyner, or Carpenter, Turner, or Shoo-maker, Collier, Shepherd, Neatherd, Day-labourer; and indeed, any kinde of a servile work or Employment.

5. The Significators of the Trade or Profession, in watery Signs, may denote the Querent to do well in Brewing, Malting, in selling Wines, in Victualling, in turning a Fish-monger or Saylor: he may make a good Water-man, or do well in any thing that belongeth to the watery Element.

6. When the Lord of the Ascendant shall be in sextile or trine to either all or most of the Significators of Trade, and they posited in Angles or other good Houses of the Figure, you may say the Querent shall do very well in the Trade or Profession he shall follow, if the moon shall be in the like good configuration with any of them, it portends the same.

7. But if the Significators of Trade shall be afflicted in Cadent places of the Figure, and the Lord of the Ascendant or moon in square or opposition unto them or either of them, you may then say that the Querent will not thrive by his Trade or Profession he may follow.


So you can pick from being a chirurgeon, haberdasher, fishmonger, or neatherd. I'm sure you get the idea, though? ;)
Hope this helps, :)
Ray

[whitey]

Thanks Ray,

i understand i am not supposed to be posting a chart in this section- maybe i should have posted on horary career section from the beginning because it maybe impossible for people to give any opinion without looking at the chart. hmmm....

[RayAustin]

Oh well, you can always just make a thread.

[archergirl]

I would also be very cautious: if you asked your career question with Saturn retrograde or stationary retrograde, it's not a good sign: you'll change your mind.

I've done both regular company work AND NGO work. NGO work generally pays less but sometimes has better 'perks' (more holiday, more flexible hours, etc)... and can be extremely emotionally fulfilling. It depends on what you really want...to serve humanity or have a secure position?

With Saturn as both of your choices, maybe the chart is saying that you should do a bit more thinking about your real needs in terms of career.

AG:)

[whitey]

thanks AG,

so you mean, we can assign 10th and 11th house respectively to normal company and NGO??

saturn retrograde may also mean that now i am wanting to go back to work for what i did before. after sometime working for helping people, i worked for normal company but it was so unlike-me. now i want to go back into what i did before. either way, changing of mind is unlikely since there is no other option than getting a job with NGO or company soon(i need money) if not for getting someone wealthy for marriage!! ;)


thanks,

whitey

[starlink]

Whitney, I dont think it is necessary to post your chart. You were just asking which house to assign. That is a technical question. Indeed 11th house for humanitarian work I would say but generally it is always the 10th to look for.
Modernists would have it easy. They would look at aspect to Uranus and to Saturn from the Asc.ruler I suppose and see which one is better. But traditionalists have a problem. Personally I would look at where Saturn is placed and if the house he is in points more towards one of the two. I would say that 11th, 12th and 6th houses would deal with humanitarian issues.

Where is the Ascendant ruler placed in that chart? Or the Moon? That could also give an indication as to what you would like to do I believe.(only on the basis of this question of course). Rex Bills rulership book gives 11th and Uranus to humanitarian issues.

In your birthchart, do you have any significant planet in the 11th house? Or the ruler of your 10th in the 11th? It would help you also to look at that.

Cheers, Starlink

[Kaiousei no Senshi]

so you mean, we can assign 10th and 11th house respectively to normal company and NGO??

I don't think the question is so much "which house to assign the different prospective careers", but more like "which prospective career is more described by the Tenth house and its lord".

[RayAustin]

I don't think the question is so much "which house to assign the different prospective careers", but more like "which prospective career is more described by the Tenth house and its lord".

Yes,
So whitey if you notice the rules, if most of your significators are in humane (air) signs, then, that's an indication for jobs dealing with people. You don't need to worry which house! :) There's no reason why you'd pick any other house for signification besides the tenth in this context.

Now if the tenth lord is indeed Saturn, that will be problematic.

Ray:)

[Kaiousei no Senshi]

Virgo's humane too.

[whitey]

thank you very much, all.

asc ruler is on MC and moon is in 6th house.

if i am to use uranus, the asc ruler(mars) next sextiles it before reaching 10th house ruler(saturn). also saturn is placed in 6th house of virgo! i read it in other thread that it means involving lots of hard work. also the moon's next aspect is less than 1 degree to 9th house ruler(jupiter) in 10th house. this in a way confirms that, if i to take NGO work, i have to travel abroad because normal company work doesnt involve relocation.

by all means i need to see if this gonna comes true or not. ;)

[RayAustin]

thank you very much, all.

if i am to use uranus, the asc ruler(mars) next sextiles it before reaching 10th house ruler(saturn). also saturn is placed in 6th house. i read it in other thread that it means involving lots of hard work. also the moon's next aspect is less than 1 degree to 9th house ruler(jupiter) in 10th house. this in a way confirms that, if i to take NGO work, i have to travel abroad.

by all means i need to see if this gonna comes true or not. ;)

Well, I don't see how you're evaluating it at all. And why would you use Uranus as a significator? :confused:

R

[whitey]

RA,

i looked at uranus because starlink introduced the concept. there are lots of opinion about horary and i thought it is worth trying to see if it make sense. i dont see anything wrong in that.

[RayAustin]

There's nothing "wrong" with it. But I don't even think you bothered to try the traditional way. And there's nothing "wrong" with that either. Just saying. :) Point was mostly, I don't understand how you're deriving an answer.

Ray.