Will she enter a hospice this year?

[Ace]

Hello all. I am writing this to seek some help on this delicate matter. This is something that is too difficult for me to do and also it would be better to get someone else's opinion than my own.

My mother is in constant pain and has been talking with doctor and would want to enter a hospice sometime. This is due to the constant pain she is in. This is very disheartening for me and not something I really thought would be an option. I don't know what to expect and would hope that having the chart read could make things clearer for me.

[hermetic]

I would look at 10th house representing your mother, ruled by saturn, in her 8th house may point to her ill state.
Hospital would be her 12th house, and ruler Jupiter.
Saturn and Jupiter are not making any aspect which would say no, at this point asked.
But - both early asc degree and Moon in 0 degrees could say it is really early to be asking the questions of this nature, perhaps she is not ill to the point of needing to go to the hospital.

But looking at a Moon action - it left Saturn and is about to trine Jupiter.
And Mercury, her 6th house - of illness, ruler is retro and about to conjunct Jupiter.
not sure really.

[RayAustin]

Hi Ace,
Please post the birth details of the chart in question, so I can look at it in my program. :)

[freedomlover]

Ace,


My mother is in constant pain and has been talking with doctor and would want to enter a hospice sometime. This is due to the constant pain she is in.
I'm so sorry to hear about your mother. It is so hard to see a loved one suffer. My own mother spent some time in hospice care when she had cancer, so I am somewhat familiar with the process. Also,I, too, an in constant chronic pain, and I can certainly empathize with how she must feel.

Just some brief thoughts on the chart you posted (probably not traditional horary, so be forewarned.) If we take your mother to be the 10th house, then she is Saturn(r) in the 5th, her turned 9th. I'm not sure how to read that, unless it's a doctor's communication to her, or maybe what she wishes to experience. Her 12th house ruler would then be Jupiter, which is "in her house" in Aquarius. This sounds like humanitarian funding for her in some way. If the 1st is her "turned 4th", representing her physical house - Vesta is exactly conjunct the 1st cusp, in Taurus, representing comfort.
Venus rules the 1st, and is in the 11th - her turned 3rd. Does she live with you? or could she? 3rd rules roommates. The 11th rules humanitarian help, again, and also includes the ruler of the 11th, Neptune in Aquarius. That might show you helping her, along with help from others/hospice organization.

Also, Moon rules your 3rd and 4th, and is in your 6th. This, to me, would also point towards a "live together" situation, and you being of service to her. Moon is moving into a trine with Jupiter, ruler of her turned 12th. Part of fortune is also in her turned 12th. There are some inconjuncts coming up, too, between the Moon (what's happening) and Venus (you), and Saturn(r)(your mom) and Jupiter.(Hospice?/humanitarian aid/help from others)

I would interpret this as pointing in that direction - yes, but not sure about the timing. However, the Moon's upcoming trine to Jupiter, in two "somethings",is plain. However, Moon does square Pluto/Lilith conjunction before it gets to Jupiter. Pluto rules your house of partnership ( 7th). I wonder what that means. But I wouldn't stake too much on my "final outcome" of this, as I'm still pretty new to this.

Let me know if any of this strikes a chord. Further information would be helpful to the horarists on the forum, as well. I appreciate feedback, so that I can learn as I go.

Blessings to you and yours,

Freedomlover

[Ace]

hermetic, first and foremost, thank you. and...yes...I would have to agree on the early degree. I suppose I'll have to ask the question a bit later as it's too early to tell. The doctors come next week to speak with her to discuss options. I think my mother has already made up her mind that her quality of life is compromised enough so that continuing on is not something she wants. She has expressed this to us as well as the doctors.

RayAustin - Thank you for also taking a look at this. I think the more opinions the better, however, I shall ask the question again after the doctors visit next week and will post another chart. Perhaps, the chart will be more clear at that time.

freedomlover - I am sorry to hear that about your mother and also your own condition. I hope that the chronic pain can be eased in some manner for you soon. I simply cannot imagine what you are going through, but I hope there is some relief in sight or some breakthrough where the pain can be successfully managed. In regards to your analysis, I'd have to say that you are surely right about the living arrangements. I currently am doing full-time care for her and am her primary caretaker along with my sister. I am living at the family home, but recently my sister and her family decided to move out and is living close by. It's pretty amazing you picked up on this being "pretty new to this" and all. Thank you very much.

[archergirl]

Hi there, Ace,

This is a difficult situation for you, but the chart is fairly simple. The answer is 'probably YES'.

There are a few things to note here:

One, the ascendant is very early, so there is still ample room for change and decisions to be made. In other words, nothing has been decided and there is a choice.

Two, the moon has also just entered a new sign, reinforcing the idea that this situation is 'new' and as of yet, unformed.

Your mother is shown by Saturn, retrograde; a slow-moving planet in retrograde is a good description of your mother: likely older or elderly, with a chronic problem that comes and goes (Rx shows a condition that reoccurs). This is reinforced by her 6th ruler, Mercury, also retrograde; Saturn and Mercury are in mutual reception, so we can surmise that she and her illness 'know' one another, and have a hold on one another.

Hospice is ruled by the 12th house, Jupiter; and the first aspect the Moon makes is to trine Jupiter. This gives a 'YES', and is further reinforced by the Moon in the radix 6th of illness and Mercury retrograding to conjunct Jupiter: illness will lead your mother to the hospice. Jupiter has dignity by being in the tenth, and also is received by Saturn by domicile, triplicity and terms; the hospice will take very good care of her.

Best of luck.
AG:)

[cassanra]

Is everyone here familiar with what hospice implies? This is not a light situation but very very serious.

[RayAustin]

I have to agree with AG, unfortunately, but perhaps we should be happy that the chart isn't as bad as it could be. Jupiter is after all, a benefic, even if he's beat up, and the trine is harmonious energy.

[archergirl]

Is everyone here familiar with what hospice implies? This is not a light situation but very very serious.

I don't think anyone is misunderstanding the question, Cassanra. But the actual question is about whether the mother will enter a hospice, and not anything else. It's best to just answer the question being asked; in this case, the answer is fairly clear-cut.

AG:)

[Ace]

archergirl - thank you as well for your thoughtful analysis. i suppose it's quite difficult to tell with this current chart (not a clear cut answer) in regards to how many days, months, or possibly years it may be until she decides to go to the hospice (she has been thinking about it already for months now. i guess for myself, i am trying to mentally prepare myself if i knew a general timeframe of when that would happen. it certainly is not something that is easy to stomach for me, or i am sure for anyone for that matter if in my shoes.

RayAustin - it is nice to see that trine there, i'm very happy to hear that there will be a sense of comfort for her towards the end.

[freedomlover]

freedomlover - I am sorry to hear that about your mother and also your own condition. I hope that the chronic pain can be eased in some manner for you soon. I simply cannot imagine what you are going through, but I hope there is some relief in sight or some breakthrough where the pain can be successfully managed. In regards to your analysis, I'd have to say that you are surely right about the living arrangements. I currently am doing full-time care for her and am her primary caretaker along with my sister. I am living at the family home, but recently my sister and her family decided to move out and is living close by. It's pretty amazing you picked up on this being "pretty new to this" and all. Thank you very much.

To:Ace

Thank you for the kind words and wishes. I do have hope that there will be improvement in the relatively near future.

I started to add more about 3rd house being also "siblings and neighbors". I thought of that after I shut the computer off last night. It's interesting those descriptions also applied.

To add my own experience for you to think over: My mother was very well taken of by the hospice workers. She spent the last 7 months of her life bedfast. I'll always be grateful to the lovely hospice nurses who took such loving care of her, and enabled her to stay in her own home that she loved.

From the chart, that seemed to be the type of hospice care that would work best. It's my understanding that some hospices admit patients. But it seems that the in-home kind would work well for your mother. The chart seemed to show an "in-home" type of care very clearly. Is that the kind your mother has been considering?

Also, one other note.... with Aries intercepted in your 12th house, and the signifier for this being Mars in Capricorn in your mother's turned 12th.......This would show that you are extremely capable at looking after your mother (Mars in Cap) and are self-sacrificing and compassionate (her 12th house). However the Aries intercepted between Pisces and Taurus in your 12th implies that your own energy level is being taxed. (Possibly also some of your own needs being unmet - implies alot of sacrifice.) I don't know if it's due to physical care or emotional upheaval and stress - or probably a combination of the both. Your sig being in the same house as the hospice workers house implies that maybe they can give you relief, as well? This could be helping to alleviate all the burden of physical care (Cap is the sign of being "overburdened"). But it may also point to them having counseling available for you. The hospice service my mother used offered free counseling, including grief-counseling,for the immediate family, if desired. You are already grieving, I know, and my heart goes out to you.

To the rest of the forum:

(Not you, ArcherGirl. I know you don't use modern planets.;)) But to those of you who do consider the modern planets... The Moon is making an almost immediate square to Pluto in Cap before it trines Jupiter in Aquarius.
I don't always use modern planets - but this one seems to be screaming for attention. How would you interpret that? It rules the 7th house of Aces partners and also opposition, as well as Ace's mother's turned 10th. I'm wondering if there is a "spend-down" provision before she could qualify for hospice? Or maybe her insurance company will cover part of it, and it has to be certified with them first? Any other thoughts?

FL

[archergirl]

i suppose it's quite difficult to tell with this current chart (not a clear cut answer) in regards to how many days, months, or possibly years it may be until she decides to go to the hospice

I would think that it would be fairly soon; maybe two months as a guess. The Moon applies to Jupiter in two degrees. The Moon is in a cardinal sign (=fast) and a cadent house (also can = fast).

I know that this must be terribly distressing for you; but I have known many, many people with loved ones who used hospice services. They really do everything possible to make the person comfortable, relaxed, and best of all pain-free, which might take a bit of the strain of worrying, off your shoulders. Keep in mind that hospice services can last a very long time. I had a friend whose mother spent several months in home hospice, always lovingly taken care of.

AG:)

[Ace]

Once again AG and freedomlover, much much thanks goes to both of you for taking your precious time to assist me in this matter. I will be preparing myself for this next stage and I appreciate all your kind regards.

All the best,
Ace