Intercepted signs

[Samson23]

I am just curious to see if any of you gives any attention to intercepted signs when analyzing a chart and what is the meaning of intercepted signs actualy... do they strengthen or weaken the area?

I have intercepted aquarious in 3rd house and leo in 9th house. There are no planets in that signs but there is a south node in aquarious and north in leo... there's also part of fortune in aquarious. Uranus-the ruler of aquarious conjuncts the asc.(scorpio, orb 30 minutes) and the sun is in the 8th house(gemini). What could that mean???Are the sun and the uranus strengthened or weakened?

[wilsontc]

Samson,

My take on intercepted signs in a chart is that they create a focus on getting a "balance" between these two very strong energies in the chart. in your case with an intercepted 3rd house (details) and an intercepted 9th house (wisdom, also getting the "big picture") you are strongly driven to balance out the details with the big picture of the situation. Leo (self-expression) modifying North node (future goals) focused in the 9th house (wisdom, also gettting the "big picture") makes it important for you to express yourself in your pursuit of understanding things...as I think I have noticed in your posts! :wink:

Wisely,

Tim

[lena]

Wilsontc rules! Really; his advices may be short, but they obviously always hit the spot! :D I have nothing to add here,except for this:
Do you Smsn23 have some good serbian-astrology links? I just can't find a thing about A.I... :cry:

[wilsontc]

Lena,

Thanks very much for the appreciative comment! I am pleased that I have been able to be of help to you in your developing and growing your understanding of astrology.

Appreciatively,

Tim

[Samson23]

I agree with lena on that one... wilsontc certainly has the ability to say what is to be said in as few words as posibe and with laser-like accuracy...
there must be some scorpio in his chart! :twisted:

@lena: the only page I know about AI is his homepage... here you go:

http://www.astrolab.co.yu/

I was on few of his seminars he held in Slovenia about karmic astrology...the guy is way ahead of his time... 8)

[lena]

Thanks for the link,Sam...Want to know what's new? I've started to get some ideas -about my career path, and maybe yours too! Have you checked your private mailbox lately?

[Soul Friend]

Wilsontc rules! Really; his advices may be short, but they obviously always hit the spot! :D I have nothing to add here,except for this:
Do you Smsn23 have some good serbian-astrology links? I just can't find a thing about A.I... :cry:

Hi Lena,

I like this site on Serbian Astrology at http://www.astrologyinserbia.com/e/index.html so check it out and share your thoughts.

[Draco]

Intercepted signs are interesting, but the trouble is, a sign may or may not be intercepted according to the house system used. Therefore, we must consider what that house system symbolises, before we can consider what the significance of an intercepted sign is according to that system.

For example, there are three house systems that I favour, Placidus, Regiomontanus and Porphyry. These house systems are based upon divisions of time, space and the ecliptic respectively.

As Placidus and Regiomontanus are time and space based systems, then I consider that Placidus pertains more to questions of 'when' and Regio to questions of 'where'.

In Placidus, I have Pisces intercepted in the first, but in Regiomontanus, it is upon the second cusp.

So I suppose that in terms of the 'whens' in my life, I have Pisces intercepted in the second, and I must consider what this means in terms of my relationship with time.

In Regiomontanus, unlike in Placidus, I have Pisces on the second cusp, so I must consider what this means in terms of the 'wheres' of my life, in terms of my relationship with space.

Just something to think about.

In fact, in horary, I am seriously considering the idea that a different house system may be best used, depending upon the nature of the question, because we musn't forget that the house system also bears much symbolic significance in accordance with the manner by which those houses are bering divided.

Horary questions come in three general categories. Usually a question pertains to 'if' something will happen, and often a querent will also want to know that 'if' something will happen, they'll want to know 'when' and/or 'where', or they may just want to know the times and places at which something is to happen in general.

It would seem to me appropriate to cast 'if' questions in Porphyry, for instinctive and intuitive reasons that I hope to be able to better explain at a later date, 'where' questions in Regiomontanus, a space based system, and 'where' questions in Placidus, as it is a system based upon time.

I only mention all these things, because I think it's worth exploring why it is that a sign will be intercepted under one house system, and not in another, which requires us to think about what the different house systems themselves actually symbolise, according to the method whereby they are calculated.

[Manic_Monday]

I think intercepted signs may indicate physical problems.

I have Capricorn/Cancer intercepted (in house 1/7) and Pisces/Virgo (houses 2 and 8).

The sign of Capricorn rules our bones, knees and skin. Since a couple of years ago, I suffer from knee problems. I can't walk long distances and I always have to be careful when I practice sports because my knee is weak. It's easy hurt.

The Moon rules our stomach. I have stomach problems when I'm under stress. Not just then, though, but more often.

Virgo rules the hands; Pisces rules the feet. I always have cold, almost blue hands and feet unless it's really warm.

[Neptune Rising]

Draco, that is a very interesting concept about the different philosophies behind the house systems. I'm going to investigate them on my own horary charts.

I have Mercury/Venus in Aquarius in 2nd house / and Leo in 8th house intercepted in Placidus, Porphyry and Regio houses! Darn it! I'm trying to figure out what on earth this means. Communication/love in the house of material things and sex/shared resources. I think and find that I have issues with money in relationships, and how to share it and have it be shared with me equally - like the give and take and equal compromises.

Neptune

[Soul Friend]

Draco, that is a very interesting concept about the different philosophies behind the house systems. I'm going to investigate them on my own horary charts.

I have Mercury/Venus in Aquarius in 2nd house / and Leo in 8th house intercepted in Placidus, Porphyry and Regio houses! Darn it! I'm trying to figure out what on earth this means. Communication/love in the house of material things and sex/shared resources. I think and find that I have issues with money in relationships, and how to share it and have it be shared with me equally - like the give and take and equal compromises.

Neptune

:) Your 2ndH/8thH axis is an emphasis on resources both personal (2ndH) and joint (8thH). Your Mercury here gives you good communication and thinking skills and your Venus an appreciation for fine things and a love of art, music and all things of refinement. With Leo intercepted that puts Cancer on the 8thH cusp so I'd be curious to know where your Moon is and how it might aspect these planets. Too, if these houses are a concern perhaps you should seek something aspecting both to use that energy to offset the noticeable difficulties. My perspective is always one to locate what softens hardships.:D

[Neptune Rising]

With Leo intercepted that puts Cancer on the 8thH cusp so I'd be curious to know where your Moon is and how it might aspect these planets. Too, if these houses are a concern perhaps you should seek something aspecting both to use that energy to offset the noticeable difficulties. My perspective is always one to locate what softens hardships.:D

Hi Soul Friend,

Thanks, I'm definately looking for some softening aspects. My moon is in Pisces in the house next door, the 3rd. I'm unsure where to look for softening aspects though. My Mercury/Venus conjunction is trined by Pluto on MC. I do have Neptune/Ascendant sextile Mercury/Venus. I do use the Mercury/Venus talents in writing, expression and sometimes painting, also listening to and expressing music through belly dancing. I guess these are very solitary things to do, and with no planets in the other intercepted 8thH, I would proabably need to focus these on joint activities... perhaps dancing for others, and sharing my appreciation and expression of the music so they feel good too.

Neptune

[AquarianEssence]

Draco, you are amazingly right. It makes perfect sense to me. I've worked a lot with interceptions. I share my observations with an example of Aries/Libra intercepted in 2/8 with Gemini/Sagittarius having double say here (http://www.geocities.com/aquarianessence/intercept.html). Basically I observe something wasn't done, there was an imbalance that caused the interception due to a deficiency shown by the 1st houses of the double ruling sign that is projected onto the 2nd set. Every one I've had opportunity to observe never fails to accomplish balance within the lifetime although they sometimes need encouragement to realize what wonderful accomplishments they've made. One I know with Cancer/Capricorn intercepted married one with the same. They managed to save the house once but lost it in bankruptsy several years later. They are learning to balance their needs for a home with their income and priorities while maintaining fairness within their relationship.

I haven't worked with Porphyry. How might you use an ecliptic based chart?

[Shaun]

Hello, everyone.

I have interecepted signs/houses in my horoscope as well (my 4th and 10th houses - Libra and Aries, respectively).

The first thing I can say - in reference to what Draco said about intercepted house pairs changing in relation to the house system used (excellent point!) - is to examine whether or not the areas of life (i.e., houses) or signs intercepted actually correlate with major vocations or avocations in your life.

To those who aren't aware, however, I must mention that trying to do so with the horoscope already obtained (based on the birth certificate) is a moot point, because roughly 40 to 60 percent of horoscopes have the wrong Ascendant signs! That might be shocking (if not unbelievable) to most, since the physical birth time (or "first breath" theory) has been (and is) the common axiom accepted by roughly 95 percent of astrologers. Unfortunately, it's also the major cause of mismatches (or a combination of hits and misses) in astrological delineations and forecast.

Since this is quite complex and fairly new and revolutionary, I won't go too much into detail, unless otherwise asked to. What I will say is that the house system that consistently produces valid interecepted house pairs (and horoscopes, for that matter) is Placidus. But accurate horoscopes (I mean 100% accurate, and not 40, or 60 or 90 percent) can only be obtained when they have been tested and verified for total functionality (and zero exceptions). There are several steps to doing so, and I'll be more than happy to assists those interested in doing their own.

As to the meanings of intercepted houses, they are as follows:

1st/7th: Interests or occupations involve direct participation of bodily activities, movements and interfaces with others. This includes advocates (on behalf of others), partnerships, team players, psychologists, therapists, those in human relations, those in charge of movements, presidents, etc.

2nd/8th: Interests or occupations pertain to those who manage the assets, valuables, rights, talents, capabilities and finances of others (or other people's properties and belongings). They include accountants, insurance counselors, ministers of finance, economists, undertakers, wills/estate and copyright lawyers, etc.

3rd/9th: Interests or occupations pertain to communicators - those who study, rehearse and prepare with the orientation of imparting past experiences, lessons, knowledge and important information to the masses. This includes actors, writers, mathematicians, singers, educators, lawyers, etc.

4th/10th: Interests or occupations pertain to those who manage, direct, guide or control others (or enterprises) in helping them find their way or place or position in life. Examples include CEOs, leaders of movements, owners of companies, prime ministers, also presidents, etc.

5th/11th: Interests or occupations pertain to those who project or spring off ideas, ideals, plans, spontaniety, propositions, schemes and that which is held and projected from one's mental self and spirit. This includes comedians, entertainers, singers, artists, inventors, sexualists, reality T.V., sales people, organizations, politicians and those who give advice as to how plans ought to carried out.

6th/12th: Interests or occupations pertain to those who are dedicated and hard workers, accomplishers and who are in the fields of service. This includes government workers, judges, doctors, nurses and anyone who wishes to leave something worthwhile to posterity and benefit to mankind (and, hence, can include any occupation).

If interecepted house pairs should be present in one's horoscope, the above should help as a guide to confirmation or rejection in reference to one's real-life activities (and real horoscope - which corresponds to the period of labor).


Best regards,

Shaun

:sunny:

[AquarianEssence]

Hi Shaun. Why do you say 40-60% have the wrong ascendant sign? I can see wrong degree but since each sign is on the ascendant for about 2 hours it would be hard to have that high of a percentage wouldn't it? I would love to hear why you have to say about verifying a natal chart.

[Sag Moon]

AQ
The description given for the 6th/12th Interceps fits me as we discussed previously. I equated my Thyroid problem to ascertain wether it fit also.

[Shaun]

Hello, AquarianEssence.

Yes, that's true - many Ascendants are accurate but in the wrong degree. But many are also one-to-two Ascendants back (mostly one). I can understand why you might look at that as odd - considering, as you said, that each sign on the Ascendant changes about every two hours. That would mean, by implication (if not overtly), that true birth times (or cosmic patterns) are set prior to (and are not synonomous with) physical birth times (or physical entry into this world).

As odd, unpopular, unbelievable and unlikely (unlikely because it is not - and has not been [for the most part] - used by most astrologers) as that may seem, it is nevertheless true. This does not mean that the Ascendant sign corresponding to every horoscope of an individual who presently uses (or bases it upon) his or her physical birth time is in error. Most likely, the degree of the Ascendant would have shifted to an earlier degree, as when as well some planets and houses cusps shifting into earlier signs.

The reason this is so is that a soul selects its cosmic patterns prior to physical entry into this world. That moment of selection is instantaneous (as in a flash, or fraction of a second) and occurs anywhere from 10 minutes prior to four-and-a-half hours back from the physical birth (but no more than that!). Arriving at the correct horoscope involves several steps but ultimately must be tested, via a series of progressions for major dated events in one's life for which every event must be corroborated by aspects that match exactly the occassion by relevance, planet, sign, house, aspect and orb.

If one thinks about it, physical birth entry is a quite a vague determining factor in measuring a birth time. By what standard should the basis of one's birth be considered sufficient? Is it when the head of an infant enters out of a mother's womb - or when the embiblical cord is cut - or when the baby takes its first breath? There is also the perplexing issue involving cesearean births, foot-first births and twin births. For example, there can be twins who are identical but who have been born, say, 20 minutes apart and whose horoscopes show different Ascendant signs. Or, there can be fraternal twins (who are not identical) who have been born, say, 10 minutes apart but who have the same Ascendant sign. Such anomalies as these are hard to explain when one considers the physical (erroneous) birth time as the basis upon which a horoscope ought to be based.

One of the fastest ways (and first steps) to ascertain whether your Ascendant sign correct is to look at the physical and mental characteristic of that sign and then match them with your own, in real life. But if a match is found, other parts of the horoscope most likely will be off and will need to be examined as well. By the way, when I talk about correct horoscopes (or Ascendant signs), I am talking about those that are so in minutes, degress and seconds - and whose true birth times are in hours, minutes and seconds - and whose birth coordinates are in degrees, minutes and seconds (the location or address must be as exact as possible).

I've written an article about this on my website. The link is indicated below:

http://the9thorbit.com/index_files/index12.htm

Additionally, I have real-life examples of celebrities who exhibit the characteristics of each Ascendant sign:

http://the9thorbit.com/index_files/index9.htm

Should you need further assistance, I can give you additional clues to guide you along the way. In addition to the Ascendant, the location of your Sun and Moon are also major indicators that will tell whether or not your horoscope is correct or in error.


Shaun


Hello, Sag Moon.

An individual's horoscope need not be in major error. It very well can be a few minutes off, which would leave the placement of the planets, house cusps (maybe), planetary aspects and aspects to the angles (maybe) the same - depending on the actual difference in minutes. I would also like to add that health problems certainly do show up in the 6th house of work - but only to the extent that they affect your ability to perform particular duties (or the effects from doing so). Health problems to the body itself would be indicated by the Ascedant sign, its ruler and aspects to both. As for the Thyroid gland, that most likely has Venus or Taurus (or a planet in same) as the instigator.

Best Regards,

Shaun

[AquarianEssence]

Thanks for the reply. I used a conception technique to rectify both my and my husbands chart ane they were right within a few seconds to a couple minutes. I though my husbands might be off a bit since his time was recorded to be 4:30 pm but it was very close. But I figure it should be since our son was born with the same degrees on the cusps, almost all of them. His labor was induced 6 wks early by the way, because he tore through the membrane. Just couldn't stand the pressure any more, I guess.

I tried to read your pages but they came up blank. Is it my computor or the site?

[Shaun]

Hi, AquarianEssence.

It might be your web browser. The site is best viewed on Internet Explorer 5.0 or later.

My congratulations to you for noticing (and rectifying) your and your husband's charts. Most reported birth times are that way - for even hours, half hours, quarter hours, etc. Like your son, I, too, was born earlier than my expected due date (although not by induced labor) - about 3 weeks. Otherwise, I would have been a totally different Sun sign. But, having made the choice to enter at the time I did, I know all is purposeful.

Take care,

Shaun