She said I've a dark soul...

[mobrig]

Hi everyone, this is my first time here, thought it'd be good to share with you my chart... right now I'm feeling like something's going on inside, many strange encounters and people that have aroused all that scorpio intensity. Anyhow, I guess I'm in crisis. I would like to know what you think of my chart, I've come to a point where it only confuses me more. Some time ago a met this woman (very weird encounter) that read my hand and told me that I was like a dormant darth vader... though intrinsicly good. That didn't sound completely nice. Any feedback would be very much appreciated.
Thanks!

[waybread]

I think calling you a "dark soul" as in Darth Vader is a little extreme! What you do have is quite a cluster of planets in the sign of Scorpio and its "natural" house, the 8th house. I think that anything you can read about Scorpio and the 8th house will be helpful. Are you intense and passionate, yet secretive about yourself?

But I note that most of your planets aren't badly aspected.

Look, not everybody is cut out to be all nicey-nice in this world. Scorpio and the 8th house are sometimes associated with people who must be truth-tellers, no matter how difficult it may be. They make good detectives, intelligence operatives, police, insurance investigators, and the like. One of the most moving descriptions of a chart with a strong 8th house emphasis that I have read was by a nurse in a hospice situation for terminally ill patients. Scorpios know that life isn't always pretty, but that the truth is their goal, not superficiality.

I would just say that maybe you don't have it in you to be Susie Sweet, but this doesn't mean you're out for galactic domination, either.

[The_Sundance_Kid]

If you think traditional rulerships can be helpful, that is some powerful Mars indecisiveness in Libra, and square to the MC. Also note the entire upper right quadrant emphasis, the quadrant of relationships with others, from the DC and one other, right up to society and the MC, and all in the public. But in contrast the Node is teaching a lesson of looking inwards in the 1st house, and is emphasising the private personal sphere.

To this end, the only two planets not in the upper right quadrant, but near it, (Jupiter and Mars) are trine, offering further growth out of the 7th, 8th and 9th houses.

Another contrast is that Scorpio requires privacy, yet if all the planets are in the upper right, all their energies are open and public and very much open to outside influence. This gives a great tension, and is probably the lesson of Libra, Scorpio and Sagittarius anyway, how to get on with other people.

[R4VEN]

I'm feeling like something's going on inside, many strange encounters and people that have aroused all that scorpio intensity. Anyhow, I guess I'm in crisis. I would like to know what you think of my chart, I've come to a point where it only confuses me more. Some time ago a met this woman (very weird encounter) that read my hand and told me that I was like a dormant darth vader... though intrinsicly good. That didn't sound completely nice. Any feedback would be very much appreciated.
Thanks!
I concur with what others have said. Those Scorpio planest in the 8th house are intense, but so real. You would not tolerate any kind of lies and deception, and are basically a Truth Teller - whether by words or by actions. This may tend to upset others, who often don't appreciate the truth. One of your life lessons may be to be truthful, but in an acceptable way. (and by `acceptable' I mean in a way which is gentle and compassionate, as the Scorpio way tends to be so truthful that it can often be blunt and even hurtful, so much so that the receiver is shocked rather than well informed.)

I notice that you have transiting Uranus just entering your 12th house. Without bringing any other planets into the mix, this will stir up your subconscious in a way that the people you meet, and experiences you have which `throw' you or disturb you are actually gifts for you to be able to detect what it is you're hiding from yourself. You are entering a long-term passage during which much self-examination and resultant self-knowledge will benefit you.

As I see it, your chart is a good one, and you have Aries rising to keep your energy up. You have the capability of being very ambitious.

[Polo]

Looking at your chart (a lot of Scorpio/ eighth house influence, Sun conjunct Moon, Moon conjunct Saturn, Venus conjunct Pluto), you've probably experienced a lot of self-control. Under that veil, though, there's probably a lot of passion.
It's interesting you say you've met a lot of people who've aroused some feelings in you. I'm sure you've aroused them as well! I know a guy with a chart much like yours. He's got plenty of Scorpio, with all those planets conjunct Pluto, and it doesn't matter how much he holds himself down. He can sit in the back without making any noise, but he still manages to drive girls wild. As long as you're the person you are and have those feelings, other people are going to feel them as well. You, especially, are probably very good at transferring and evoking feelings in others.
I know what you mean about being confused by others' motivations. Sometimes I have no clue what people think of me, and their looks and stares (without real messages) only confuse me even more. I think what you need to do is be clear with yourself. That may be why you're receiving strange feelings from others.
They might not understand you well.

[mobrig]

Thanks to you all for your comments!

waybread:
Yes, I definitely experience everything intensely, so much that some times I feel like it's too much and don't know how to handle it. I'm also very secretive or at least I get a lot that I seem distant, reserved, somewhat cold, etc... even that I don't seem to care about anyone (when it's completely untrue).

The-Sundance_Kid:
"How to get on with other people" seems to be one of my main concerns throughout my life. Sometimes I feel like I don't know how to approach other people...

R4VEN:
Funny enough this same woman that told me about this dark force thing in me also told me that I needed to watch my tongue since there's a lot of people who are still hurt for things I've said. I'll have to work on that truthfulness in an acceptable way.
I really like that what you said about this experiences and people that disturb me (or obsess me, sometimes) are actually a gift...

Polo:
I DO have experienced a lot of self-control; I had cosidered myself as being always "under control". One of my current concerns is that somehow I've become less under-control and the emotions are suddenly exploding (not evidently) and have a life on its own.
About arousing feelings in others, at times it's like I can feel and almost touch the strong emotional response from them (like when people stares at me with this now-familiar look in their faces) and this confuses me more often than I'd like it to. I always end up convincing myself that it's all in my head.
--I can totally understand what it might be like for the guy you mention.

Thanks again for your insights!;)

[Polo]

Well, maybe you should think about it. Do you think some people are looking at you because they like you? I'm sure some do.
The first time I met that guy I spoke about, he gave me such a supernatural feeling. Honestly, when I first shook his hand, I couldn't let go. I was so mesmerized. I later found out that he had Venus conjunct Pluto in his chart, along with more Scorpio. No wonder he had me feeling that way.
You have the opportunity for great passion and inspiring others. You can't choose self-control all the time.

[AnnaViolet7]

Thanks to you all for your comments!

waybread:
Yes, I definitely experience everything intensely, so much that some times I feel like it's too much and don't know how to handle it. I'm also very secretive or at least I get a lot that I seem distant, reserved, somewhat cold, etc... even that I don't seem to care about anyone (when it's completely untrue).

The-Sundance_Kid:
"How to get on with other people" seems to be one of my main concerns throughout my life. Sometimes I feel like I don't know how to approach other people...

R4VEN:
Funny enough this same woman that told me about this dark force thing in me also told me that I needed to watch my tongue since there's a lot of people who are still hurt for things I've said. I'll have to work on that truthfulness in an acceptable way.
I really like that what you said about this experiences and people that disturb me (or obsess me, sometimes) are actually a gift...

Polo:
I DO have experienced a lot of self-control; I had cosidered myself as being always "under control". One of my current concerns is that somehow I've become less under-control and the emotions are suddenly exploding (not evidently) and have a life on its own.
About arousing feelings in others, at times it's like I can feel and almost touch the strong emotional response from them (like when people stares at me with this now-familiar look in their faces) and this confuses me more often than I'd like it to. I always end up convincing myself that it's all in my head.
--I can totally understand what it might be like for the guy you mention.

Thanks again for your insights!;)

Hi Mobrig :)

I can totally sympathise as I have had the same reactions to me too!! I still find it difficult...I am a Plutonian too(strong Pluto influence in my chart) and I find people always stare...although I do not want them to!! From what I have read about it Pluto is magnetic people are drawn to us and yet some of them like it and some are really quite scared of the intensity! I do definatly have the thing of either people loving me and being drawn to me or absolutly hating me and wanting to run the opposite direction! I guess cos Pluto is all about extremes...and cos it is so powerful you have to learn how to handle it properly..(which I still havent yet)

I was reading on another forum the other day people were discussing the best use for this Pluto kind of energy and they were saying it is such a strong and deep well of energy that it needs to be channelled to a cause. They said decide on a use for this energy so it can be helpful rather than seeming to work at cross purposes...like you probably have the ability to understand others really well and help them to understand themselves too and if you can do that with love then that is an amazing gift to all...(I am trying on this one but I have the same thing as you I will sometimes just say to someone 'you have this problem, it stems from blah' and I guess it doesnt go down very well unless someone has asked for your opinion on blah) I think its helpful to see why you want to tell someone what you can see is it to help them out or to be in control,let them know that you know!!

Btw also I have been thru the explosive emotions thing after having denied and held everything down for years it suddenly all began to come to the surface and it was such a shock...so I tried to supress it all more which made it all worse..then I decided to do something about it and started going for healing and using natural remedies and things began to release and it was even more scarey!!After a while of this when I had released some stuff I began to notice so many good changes and the feeling of trying to hold down some explosive stuff seemed to go away...(This is what someone said to me about it 'what you resist persists')

AV :)

[R4VEN]

Hi Mobrig :)
you probably have the ability to understand others really well and help them to understand themselves too and if you can do that with love then that is an amazing gift to all...(I am trying on this one but I have the same thing as you I will sometimes just say to someone 'you have this problem, it stems from blah' and I guess it doesnt go down very well unless someone has asked for your opinion on blah) I think its helpful to see why you want to tell someone what you can see is it to help them out or to be in control,let them know that you know!!AV :)
I mentioned in an earlier post on this thread about the necessity of giving advice/information carefully and with compassion.

A number of years ago I was friends with a Scorpio woman who insisted on giving advice, even when it was not sought. To be honest, I think she believed that to do so was her duty. Trouble is, I have Chiron in Scorpio, the core wounds of which are about believing myself to be manipulated or controlled. My friend would say things like: "You have to do such & such, otherwise everything will fall apart in your life." I soon began to avoid her, because she didn't listen when I asked her to check with me first before she gave advice. Every piece of advice/help she gave felt like a slap to me. I still believe that she was getting a charge from the power she felt when she `helped' others.

Just letting you heavy-with-Scorpio people know what it can be like when you blurt out all those heavy truths!!!!

[AnnaViolet7]

My friend would say things like: "You have to do such & such, otherwise everything will fall apart in your life."

Does sound particularly controlling! - 'you have to do'...

[waybread]

Just a really powerful thread, everyone!

I have experienced some "8th chord" (Pluto/Scorpio/8th house) people as controlling--my Aquarian nature wants to run a mile. This is the side that I see as per my above comment that Scorpios seem to learn who they are by pushing the boundaries with other people. But 8th chord people have such a volcanic kind of energy--simmering beneath the surface--that they really need a positive outlet for it: AnnaViolet suggests that they need a Cause. Then they become good "surgeons" as they have the capacity to sleuth out various "pathologies".

Maybe reiki or some other mind-body treatment would be helpful for blocked 8th chord energies. Also journaling. Studying forensics. Maybe volunteering for a local hospice or battered women's shelter. Extreme sports. Something where there is synchronicity between inner and outer edge-of-life-and-death experiences.

I don't know if anyone here is familiar with the mysteries of P.D. James (also televised --I think for the BBC) but they are soooo Plutonian. She worked for the police & crime dept. of the British Home Office before turning to fiction. Incredibly dark stuff. But by the end of her books, their effect is almost cathartic. So P. D. James for leisure reading.

To a true 8th chord person, these may sound like some kind of babyish sublimation. But their point for people unsure of how to develop their natures is to start taking the baby steps toward one's inner and outer unity.

R4ven, I love your motto about the truth!

[AnnaViolet7]

[quote=waybread]

Maybe reiki or some other mind-body treatment would be helpful for blocked 8th chord energies. Also journaling. Studying forensics. Maybe volunteering for a local hospice or battered women's shelter. Extreme sports. Something where there is synchronicity between inner and outer edge-of-life-and-death experiences.

I have found Reiki and other energy healing really helpful...and Astrology to learn about aspects of myself and others it is a place I have tried to put the Pluto obsessiveness where it is productive and brings self-knowledge..I have thought in the past about volunteering for a womens shelter but I knew I wouldnt be able to be detached enough..Forensics- ouch I couldnt do that either...Extreme sports-never been drawn to that...a good walk in nature is about all I will do!

I don't know if anyone here is familiar with the mysteries of P.D. James (also televised --I think for the BBC) but they are soooo Plutonian. She worked for the police & crime dept. of the British Home Office before turning to fiction. Incredibly dark stuff. But by the end of her books, their effect is almost cathartic. So P. D. James for leisure reading.
Pd James- I remember when I was about 10 and my Gran went out of the room for a minute she was in the middle of a pd James book I read a couple of pages I was absolutly terrified....For me reading anything like that is just too much for my Pisces moon...(My Mum is a Scorpio moon and she loves anything like that)Hmmn perhaps Im not so Plutonian as I thought I was! My chart is ruled by Venus and co-ruled by Pluto though.Or maybe Im going about this Plutonian-ness all wrong and the things you suggested I should try, except the PD James! ;)

[AnnaViolet7]

Here's the link to the thread I was reading- its about Pluto aspects to the Ascendant but I just found it really interesting Pluto-wise

http://www.nodeorama.com/viewtopic.php?id=2696

[waybread]

A Pisces Moon, AnnaViolet? Oh, yeh--that's different. Maybe PD James and life-on-the-edge volunteer work would be too much for a Cancer moon, as well.

For any very watery Scorpios/8th house people out there looking for a career--possibly something less emotional, like insurance fraud investigation.

[Plutonian Persona]

Cool thread! To quote something from the nodeorama link by Lance, "Pluto is will power...used well, it is the force of the Jedi..." I could not agree more: if Pluto is used for good, nothing can stop it; if used poorly it's Darth Vader. So, the only thing I can say is, "Use the Force, mobrig!" :D My darkness is on temporary stand-by...

[R4VEN]

A Pisces Moon, AnnaViolet? Oh, yeh--that's different. Maybe PD James and life-on-the-edge volunteer work would be too much for a Cancer moon, as well.
Hah!! I have moon in Cancer, and just adore P D James' work, plus Val McDermid - try reading The Mermaids Singing at nighttime!! - and now I'm reading Peter James - not so dark, but in that domain. (But I also have a little Scorpionic dash on my chart with Pluto conj Sun, and Saturn in the 8th with a Saturn-ruled chart. I'm always being faced with people who have a darker nature - which is perhaps a reflection of that darker nature in me.)

I love this thread!
It's like digging in the garden in search of worms, and then finding buried treasure!!

[waybread]

Cool thread! To quote something from the nodeorama link by Lance, "Pluto is will power...used well, it is the force of the Jedi..." I could not agree more: if Pluto is used for good, nothing can stop it; if used poorly it's Darth Vader. So, the only thing I can say is, "Use the Force, mobrig!" :D My darkness is on temporary stand-by...

Plutonian: well, I think your avatar of Persephone says a lot!

Another quote for 8th chord people: "the way out is the way through."

[Ali]

I live with a man with a Scorpio sun (squared by Pluto) and three planets in his 8th house. He is brutally honest. But ... here's what he says works for him in terms of honesty. He never gives his opinion unless asked but if asked, he doesn't try to ease the blow. It works.

[R4VEN]

He is brutally honest. But ... here's what he says works for him in terms of honesty. He never gives his opinion unless asked but if asked, he doesn't try to ease the blow. It works.
That sounds about perfect, Ali.

We need the insights of the Scorpionic souls, but we also need to be prepared before we receive them!!!

[mobrig]

This is so cool!

About channeling the Pluto energy, I've thought before about some volunteering activity. However, I’m also very sensitive to strong scenarios; maybe I need to face that too. For instance, if I’m walking pass some kind of accident I often try to avoid watching what happened, if I happen to see someone covered in blood or lying down pretty much dead or injured it really strikes me, and probably will have that image stuck in my mind for quite some time… although I do feel drawn to that kind of situations.
Some time ago I met this woman that was Hades as a girl, she was just disturbingly amazing and had this very strong magnetic energy and she worked with terminal patients as volunteer and you could see how working with them helped her release all that plutonian enchantment with the dark side of life. As time went by, I took distance from her though, as I felt she was taking me deep down a road I didn't like.

I often try to channel the Pluto thing through some kind of artistic activity like writing, drawing, painting, etc… it usually helps. I also love some old school mystery like Poe’s stories. If you see Bacon’s paintings (he was a scorpio too), you’ll see what I’m talking about… catharsis.

Also, it’s not unusual at all to have people telling me their problems, like they find me trustworthy even if we’ve just met. Maybe this is something I should strengthen.

Plutonian:
I’m all about using the force wisely, the problem is when it feels like it’s damaging or taking its toll on me… usually when it’s all about relations with other people.
I’ve also thought, as I read in a book before, that one’s desire often reflects on the outside and we forget that’s us who are stirring these things up. When I feel and see all this energy coming from someone else it’s not he or she, it’s me who’s feeling it and reflecting it on the outside (?).

Ali:
What works for the man you live with works for me too. I often make like a little disclaimer and say somehing like “Are you sure that you want to know what I have to say about that… are you completely sure!?” If they insist I just say what’s on my mind. They were warned.

[The_Sundance_Kid]

Interesting,

I said what I said earlier, because the problem I have with a strong Scorpio influence is that I need to learn how to get on with other people.

I think the upper right quadrant has this problem and each sign takes a separate stance. I do not know where the appropriate boundaries are with other people. I don't know when to interfere in someone's life or when to do nothing. If I think someone is making a mistake, I generally do nothing and respect their wishes. Nowadays I am less sure this is the wise thing to do... maybe if you care for a friend you should intervene! And I have a totally different attitude to family. I come down hard on them for anything, because I think even if one should respect a friend's choices, with family the whole point of family is some sense of commonality, some sense of heritage and collectiveness, so I feel it my duty to correct family even when I wouldn't correct friends. And I'm even uncomfortable with the word correct, for I think Scorpio is always aware he or she might be wrong. I always correct my younger cousin's grammar and spelling, I make him sit up straight, I vet his clothes if they give a negative impression, I force him to read and talk to people, but I don't do this to my friends, many of whom are even sloppier and have worse habits. I don't know where to draw the right lines.
That is kind of where I was heading with what I said before :)

So I guess the issues are something along the lines of, what are you supposed to do when you have a different viewpoint to someone? Agree to disagree? Try and ignore it? Draw boundaries and respect another's choice? Try to convince the other person? And if the issues are important enough, can you really say you have a genuine relationship with the other if the things you disagree about are so important? Would it be false to put the relationship ahead of your principles? I had this issue once, a girlfriend of mine took way to many drugs. As a friend I can respect that choice. As something more than that I couldn't stand it, it made the relationship seem so ungenuine. And as a citizen... lol, I don't think the UK really has a concept of citizenship :P

[Plutonian Persona]

Plutonian:
I’m all about using the force wisely, the problem is when it feels like it’s damaging or taking its toll on me… usually when it’s all about relations with other people.I’ve also thought, as I read in a book before, that one’s desire often reflects on the outside and we forget that’s us who are stirring these things up. When I feel and see all this energy coming from someone else it’s not he or she, it’s me who’s feeling it and reflecting it on the outside (?).

Mobrig, I definitely hear what you are saying about Plutonian energy taking it's toll on you when other people are concerned. At least you are somewhat conscious about it being you that is stirring up the energy. For the longest time I never realized how strong I was coming on to people and why they got so upset or put off by the way that I was saying things or acting.

Like a lot of other people on here, I've struggled in my relationships with other people. I am basically a loner at heart and I'd rather be independent and self-contained than admit that I need help from other people. Surrendering to others and saying that yes, I do in fact need help, is EXTREMELY difficult for me. I literally will do anything in my power to not let people in and see this supposed "weakness." The other person gets extremely frustrated with this, goes into a rage, and then either leaves or starts arguing with me. This entire sequence, however, is the feeling of defense that I have inside me and is really not their fault.

Waybread: Yup, having Persephone as my avatar is perfect! In fact, this painting by Rossetti absolutely captivates me and has since the first time I saw it; I was spellbound.