Occult indications?

[SaggiRising]

Hi Everyone,
On New Years' Eve, an ordinary meeting drove me into severe depression for no particular reason. My husband's brother and his 2nd wife visited us and there were some unpleasant "jealousy" indicators. I am a Pisces moon and that day moon was entering Pisces - so I am curios.

Question: Does my brother-in-law's wife or someone else has something occult/ black-magic going against us?

S1: Myself (ASC) - Venus in late Aquarius entering Pisces - considered to be in 11th

S2: Wife (3rd) - Moon in Pisces

My 7th (my hubby)--> 3rd of 7th = 9th (His Bro) --> 7th from 9th = 3rd (Bro's wife)

Venus:
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1) Venus has just separated from a conjunction with Venus -- This is all my imagination!!

Moon:
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2) Moon is in Pisces -- separating from a conjunction with Uranus.
3) Moon exalts Venus
4) Moon is in triplicity of Mars (My husband)

I don't know how to proceed beyond this point. Would appreciate your insights very much!

[freedomlover]

Hi Everyone,
On New Years' Eve, an ordinary meeting drove me into severe depression for no particular reason. My husband's brother and his 2nd wife visited us and there were some unpleasant "jealousy" indicators. I am a Pisces moon and that day moon was entering Pisces - so I am curios.

Question: Does my brother-in-law's wife or someone else has something occult/ black-magic going against us?

S1: Myself (ASC) - Venus in late Aquarius entering Pisces - considered to be in 11th

S2: Wife (3rd) - Moon in Pisces

My 7th (my hubby)--> 3rd of 7th = 9th (His Bro) --> 7th from 9th = 3rd (Bro's wife)

Venus:
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1) Venus has just separated from a conjunction with Venus -- This is all my imagination!!

Moon:
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2) Moon is in Pisces -- separating from a conjunction with Uranus.
3) Moon exalts Venus
4) Moon is in triplicity of Mars (My husband)

I don't know how to proceed beyond this point. Would appreciate your insights very much!
Hello, Saggirising!

I'm still a beginner at horary, but I'll share some thoughts with you, and see if any of it fits. Be forewarned that my methods may not be "traditional".

First of all, I would assign the same houses to everyone that you did. So, going from there.... The action is with the Moon, which is the significator for your brother-in-law's new wife. (Is this the first time you met her, or were around her for any significant length of time - you said "new" wife?)
Moon in Pisces is significant because Pisces also rules "glamour", both the black magic, and the run-of-the-mill physical attraction kinds.

The significator for her husband is retrograde in your 5th house - so where you "shine". She has separated from this sig in 2 "somethings". The MC (high point) of the chart is also her turned 8th, which rules jealousy and vindictiveness. Modern ruler of her turned 8th is Uranus in the 11th - which she has also just separated from in 3 "somethings".

So, there are two indicators of her with some kind of "separation" from her husband. Possibly she caught him cheating or looking at another woman? What was your relationship with your brother-in-law before they married? Could she be jealous of that? I take those signs as she feels "alienated" from him in some way, and is trying to do something about it.

Her husband's sig, being in your 5th, shows possibly criticalness - she wants you cast in a bad light in his eyes? It is opposing the sig for her jealousy, possessiveness, etc issues.

Also, the two sigs for your husband are Mars and Pluto in Capricorn. These are both signs associated with a successful, powerful man. Capricorn is a pretty physical sign as well - maybe she thinks him attractive? I don't know anything about triplicity, but you said that her sig is in triplicity of your husband's sig - Mars. Maybe her (Pisces - glamour) trying to appeal to his physical, lusty side (Capricorn)?

Basically, I see her as being very competitive. Her sig rules your 3rd. The 3rd house has a lot to do with competition and the "shadow sides" of people coming out. Many times it is rooted in sibling rivalry from childhood - or even past lives. So, I would read this as her being competitive with you, stemming from insecurity. She possibly feels threatened/inferior to you in some way.(You said that her sig of Moon "exalts" your sig of Venus". I would read this as she thinks you are better than her in some way). Your sig being in Aquarius, maybe you were just trying to be friendly - and didn't see her motives. The depression/negativity you feel may just be from her trying to make you feel inferior to compensate. That may have been the energy she was projecting towards you. Maybe she just wanted to feel like "top dog" - having the male attention from both, and trying to make you feel bad about yourself. A lot of women are like that. I've run onto more than my share of them. Also, if any of this rings true, I want to say that I'm not in any way saying that she was trying to get your husband. Just that she may have wanted his approval to compensate for her feeling of inferiority, if that is the case.

Oh, and one other possibility.... The end of the matter is the Sun, which is in Cap in the 8th. Does your husband make more money/is more successful than her husband? Is yours and your husband's standard of living higher than hers and her husbands? There's an awful lot of Cap issues going on here. Your husband's sig of Mars also exactly inconjuncts the end of the matter. The Sun/Leo rules attention, and the combo of Cap/Leo implies someone shining in finances/career/reputation - but could also possibly still hearken back to physical attractiveness.

Please let me know if any of this rings true, as I'm learning as I go through trial and error.

FL

[cassanra]

This is a fairly complex question. But if we take your brother-in-law as saturn and the moon as her (3rd from the 7th and 7th from the 3rd) then we do see a difficult relationship...separating relationship and uranus (divorce) quite close. My feeling is that you felt emotions coming from them and are sensitive enough for it to effect you. I do not see the occult but maybe as Freedomlover said, jealousy of what you have.

[SaggiRising]

Thanks cassanra & Freedomlover for your insights.

I am on my way out so this reply is a short one:

1) Bro & 2nd wife do have a strained relationship 'coz of of his previous marriage - the child from first marriage and financial obligations

2) We are financially better off - I have worked most of my life and she hasn't.

3) She is fairly competitive - is 33, wants to experience life fully while he is 41 and is left tired from complications of his previous marriage - they've been married 4 yrs.

I think ( and *hope* too ) that it is just envy - and my pisces moon being too sensitive was catching up on other stuff "not related to me". But, it was difficult time for sure - am feeling much better now.

There are sibling rivalry issues here as well - my hubby is considered "lucky" by the family.

Now I've to go...hope this helps. I will answer more of your queries - if any - tomorrow.

I am intrigued by Venus (my sig.) separating from Neptune and heavy involvement of Pisces in this query. Occult could just be my imagination...