Question:Houses and planets

[Styx]

I have my moon in virgo in the second house, but this house is ruled by the sign leo. I was wondering what effect this has on my moon, cause sign the moon is in differs from the house' ruler.
(I also have this with my neptune, saturn and uranus in capicorn in the sixth house wich is ruled by the sign saggitarius.)

I think that it means something like the moon is covered in a leo 'coat' (if that makes any sense :p). So the moon has some leo qualities, like wanting to be a leader or being creative. But this ofcourse is not as strong as having your moon in the actual sign.
(I can't really relate to my virgo moon, other than the fact that i'm very critical of myself and that I like to help people. But the reason for this may be that my moon is in a early degree (4)?)

So I would really like to know what effect is has on you planets if the sign their in, differs from the sign their house is in.

Sorry for my english, also I really tried to give my own interpretation the best I can, sorry if it is not enough:o.

[LionKing]

That was sort of confusing to me. I think you ment that your ascendant is Leo and your 2nd H is Virgo. And you have the Moon in Virgo in the 2nd H. That is not a bad aspect at all!! I have this one too. Believe me... I wouldn't trade it with anyone. Now having that there tells me that you will have daughters (I have three and no sons... ha!). I also believe that it is a financial blessing. I wish you well in all that you do. V/r LionKing:D

[Styx]

Sorry if I confused you :o
What I mean is that I have my moon in Virgo in the second house. So my moon sign is Virgo and my moon is in the second house.
But the ruler of my second house cusp is Leo.(My ascendant is 29 degrees cancer).

I hope it's a little more clear now :)

[starlink]

Hello Styx! I understood what you meant. Ascendant in last degrees of Cancer and the cusp of the second house already falls in the next sign Leo, so if your Moon falls in this 2nd house in Virgo (sign after Leo), then you must have a large 2nd house where the two signs therein are Leo and Virgo. Nothing unusual about that.

The sign the Moon is in, shows you how you express yourself emotionally. So you do that in a Virgo sort of way and your emotions are probably tied up with your financial security, so you find emotional security when all goes well financially. You could be careful and precise with your money.

The houseruler Leo has not much influence over your Moon. It rules your money house and psychologically, your selfworth. Now look at where the Sun is in your chart. The house and sign the Sun is in, will tell you how your finances will go in your life (sign and aspects to the sun) and that Moon in your 2nd house will help or hinder (also depending on the aspects of the Moon) the way you earn an income or has an influence on the whole 2nd house situation.

The houseruler will tell you where you could earn your money at best and also where you can find selfconfidence. If the Sun is badly aspected in the house he is in, then you could have financial trouble in that area of your life or caused by circumstances depicted in that house which also would be a point of emotional insecurity for you. If the Sun is well placed and aspected, the opposite will be true.

[Styx]

This is my chart http://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?rs=3&btyp=w2gw&&cid=iglfileXPRJgs-u1224246892

I have my sun in Aries in the tenth house, so this means that the majority of my money will come from work and/or being placed in positions of authority? And I will find selfconfidence through my job.

Thank you very muuh for your answer Starlink. I always thought that the house-ruler had more influence over my moon sign, but I guess I was wrong.
Cause I can't really relate to my moon sign, I've always felt more like a leo moon, but maybe this is because my ascendant is in 29 degrees cancer getting ready to go into leo.

[astrologer50]

It would be much more helpful if you could post your natal chart hon.... prob get more responses.

just go www.astro.com free horoscopes, half way down page to chart drawing, that takes you to input page, put data in, click proceed. Go back to home page, free horoscopes, Extended chart drawing, change from default Placidus to Equal house, change 63% ratio, save to hard drive then upload.

Your Virgo moon is in 3rd House of Gemini which both are mutuable signs = double dose of emotional restlessness, lots of communications, procrastinating, indeciviseness. But Virgo wants details, analyses things, nit picks, great for research digging and delving and is practical. Gemini is not practical it wants to talk, so are you always on the fone??? do you change your mind a lot.

Virgo is a born worrier, so is cancer. The natural rulers of houses are like stage backdrops, settings, the planets are the actors and main roles, themes, different signs on the cusps behaves differently than natural rulers but house meanings never change....
;)

[Styx]

Thank you very much astrologer50!

The last part was very interesting, i've never looked at it that way. And I am very restless :D, this probably has a lot to do with the fact taht my mars is in Gemini .

I think you mean 2nd house ;)

[astrologer50]

Thank you very much astrologer50!

The last part was very interesting, i've never looked at it that way. And I am very restless :D, this probably has a lot to do with the fact taht my mars is in Gemini .

I think you mean 2nd house ;)

Apologies, yes moon in 2nd rather than 3rd, its cos i teach Equal house system and you posted in Placidus hon....

Taurus naturally rules 2nd house of values, beliefs, how you earn your money, usually bricks and mortar. So Leo ruling might suggest how you earn your money, backdrop..... like having 2nd sun here also. Double dose of earth, virgo and taurus, plus leo ruling suggests what? Big plans, very bossy organised, likes to be centre of attention, rather stubborn, all Leo/taurus traits, then Virgo wants details, the more the merrier. Worries over property, how you earn your money, strong emotional need to feel secure and have secure home, base...

Also Moon is your chart ruler, so extra emphasis on 2nd house matters then. This is where you are going to feel restless and perhaps over analyse matters.

3planets in 6th house of health, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune
Saturn conj Neptune = fear of unknown
Will PM you what these planets mean in 6th cos not sure of author therefore cannot post luv.
Fortunately, they are all well aspected by trines to Sun , Venus, merc
Sun in 9th Venus, Merx in 10th Equal house again....

Your chart also lacks water, only Pluto and Asc

[Ajar]

I have Cancer on my 2nd house cusp, and no planets, so the Moon also rules my 2nd.

I have read that the Moon in the 2nd makes for volatile financial situations depending on how it is aspected, possibly income from a variety of sources.

I see you have a bunch of Grand Trines involving the Moon. I would think that they would be positive factors, helping the energies to flow more easily.

[Styx]

Apologies, yes moon in 2nd rather than 3rd, its cos i teach Equal house system and you posted in Placidus hon....

Taurus naturally rules 2nd house of values, beliefs, how you earn your money, usually bricks and mortar. So Leo ruling might suggest how you earn your money, backdrop..... like having 2nd sun here also. Double dose of earth, virgo and taurus, plus leo ruling suggests what? Big plans, very bossy organised, likes to be centre of attention, rather stubborn, all Leo/taurus traits, then Virgo wants details, the more the merrier. Worries over property, how you earn your money, strong emotional need to feel secure and have secure home, base...

Also Moon is your chart ruler, so extra emphasis on 2nd house matters then. This is where you are going to feel restless and perhaps over analyse matters.

3planets in 6th house of health, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune
Saturn conj Neptune = fear of unknown
Will PM you what these planets mean in 6th cos not sure of author therefore cannot post luv.
Fortunately, they are all well aspected by trines to Sun , Venus, merc
Sun in 9th Venus, Merx in 10th Equal house again....

Your chart also lacks water, only Pluto and Asc

Oh wow that's very interesting, that I have my moon in the third house in the Equal house system. This explains my restlesness (and moodiness) and the urge to want to learn everything and anything :D.
My sun is in the ninth house, house of sag:cool:. I can relate to that, I love to travel and see the world.

I would be very thankful if you could post pm me info about my sixth house. I've searched the net and read everything about it that I could find, but I would love to hear your iterpretation ;)

Oh and you said that my chart ruler is the moon, but does the fact that my asc is in the last degree make the chart ruler stronger or weaker?

[Styx]

I have Cancer on my 2nd house cusp, and no planets, so the Moon also rules my 2nd.

I have read that the Moon in the 2nd makes for volatile financial situations depending on how it is aspected, possibly income from a variety of sources.

I see you have a bunch of Grand Trines involving the Moon. I would think that they would be positive factors, helping the energies to flow more easily.

I have read this too, don't really know what to expect :D. And yeah my moon makes aspects everything (except my asc). I've always thought this was very strange. I guess it explains why i'm very sensitive and kinda melancholic sometimes.

Thank you for your reply! :)

[waybread]

Astrologers disagree on the significance of the sign on the house cusp if that house contains one or more planets in a different sign.

A really eye-opening book for me was Karen Hamaker-Zondag, The House Connection. She says, "The house over which a planet rules serves the purposes of the house in which that planet stands." So with Leo on your 2nd house cusp and your sun in the 10th house of career, I would see you as earning money through your career--and a career with which you strongly identify (sun) at that. Your sun is wll-aspected, so your money has the potential to work out well for you, provided you can master your moon's square to Jupiter, which can be over-optimistic.

With Cancer rising (assuming your birth time is correct) your moon not only rules your first house, but is called your "chart ruler", so it is probably a very important planet for you. If you were born just a bit earlier, then Leo would be your rising sign, which might account for any Leo feelings.

[astrologer50]

waybread,
great book have it myself...

"If you were born just a bit earlier, then Leo would be your rising sign, which might account for any Leo feelings" Think you mean a little 'later' hon, if earlier it would be earlier Cancer....

styx,
All depends if your time of birth is accurate hon.... we're only talking a few minutes here and it could easily change signs, but if you identify with the Cancerian traits then you definately Cancer Asc.

No your moon in not in 3rd house, its just second, but the restlessness you identify with is the Virgo cos its mutable and anything in mutable IS restless...;)

Maybe also have you moon 2nd you have a stronger emotional need to 'earn your own' money rather than someone keeping you, cos the money you earn will give you the independence?

ajar,
or cancer on 2nd cusp implies mothering, nurtuing children, family, babies, childminding, good with money and hanging onto it longer and harder than the rest of us?

[The_Sundance_Kid]

Hey Styx, I was wondering how sure you were of your birth time- any inaccuracy could change the Asc sign.

As Waybread said, there is alot of debate about which takes precedence- some astrologers prefer to focus on the rulership, and some prefer to look at the planet first. Figuring out which planets are more important in a chart is one of the most difficult areas of interpretation. Here the Leo influence is specific to the 2nd house only. The moon in Virgo however may have a more general influence as the moon is so important- it rules the Asc and both moon and Asc have a big say over alot of the psychology in a chart.

The best interpretation is one which takes the best qualities out of both of the factors- so here one might say Leo passion and self expression, which is much more public and open, and forthright because of Aries and the 10th house, must be combined with an attention to detail, a perfect image. Emotional stability and comfort depends upon being able to skillfully create this image or expression.

So, here, you might think the sign rulership shows the what, what the career should be about, and the moon shows the need, the importance of the need to fulfill this desire for emotional health etc.

[Styx]

Astrologers disagree on the significance of the sign on the house cusp if that house contains one or more planets in a different sign.

A really eye-opening book for me was Karen Hamaker-Zondag, The House Connection. She says, "The house over which a planet rules serves the purposes of the house in which that planet stands." So with Leo on your 2nd house cusp and your sun in the 10th house of career, I would see you as earning money through your career--and a career with which you strongly identify (sun) at that. Your sun is wll-aspected, so your money has the potential to work out well for you, provided you can master your moon's square to Jupiter, which can be over-optimistic.

With Cancer rising (assuming your birth time is correct) your moon not only rules your first house, but is called your "chart ruler", so it is probably a very important planet for you. If you were born just a bit earlier, then Leo would be your rising sign, which might account for any Leo feelings.

You got this right, yes sometimes i'm over-optimistic (and lazy), but i'm great at being very pessimistic and negative :rolleyes: :o . I think this is because I have neptune,saturn and uranus in cap.

About the asc, i'm not 100% sure if cancer is correct. I don't have my precise birth-time, but i'm positive it's around 12.30. So there is a possibility i'm born 12.35 wich would make me a leo asc 0 degrees. But the cusp rulers remain the same: so first house leo, second house leo, third house virgo etc.
Like I said before, I can't really relate to cancer asc, other than the fact that i'm very sensitive. (I think this is because of my moon having so many aspects, wich would make a person very sensitive? Or maybe my chiron in cancer in the 12th house. )
My gut says i'm a leo asc :D , so i guess i'll go with that.

[Styx]

waybread,
great book have it myself...

"If you were born just a bit earlier, then Leo would be your rising sign, which might account for any Leo feelings" Think you mean a little 'later' hon, if earlier it would be earlier Cancer....

styx,
All depends if your time of birth is accurate hon.... we're only talking a few minutes here and it could easily change signs, but if you identify with the Cancerian traits then you definately Cancer Asc.

No your moon in not in 3rd house, its just second, but the restlessness you identify with is the Virgo cos its mutable and anything in mutable IS restless...;)

Maybe also have you moon 2nd you have a stronger emotional need to 'earn your own' money rather than someone keeping you, cos the money you earn will give you the independence?

ajar,
or cancer on 2nd cusp implies mothering, nurtuing children, family, babies, childminding, good with money and hanging onto it longer and harder than the rest of us?

Amen sister :D so true for me

[astrologer50]

If you are happier with Leo Asc then your chart ruler will change from Moon to Sun and the house the sun is in will be of more importance then where moon is deposited luv....

Time for more study, research and reading then, try
http://www.cafeastrology.com/zodiacleo.html

[Styx]

Hey Styx, I was wondering how sure you were of your birth time- any inaccuracy could change the Asc sign.

As Waybread said, there is alot of debate about which takes precedence- some astrologers prefer to focus on the rulership, and some prefer to look at the planet first. Figuring out which planets are more important in a chart is one of the most difficult areas of interpretation. Here the Leo influence is specific to the 2nd house only. The moon in Virgo however may have a more general influence as the moon is so important- it rules the Asc and both moon and Asc have a big say over alot of the psychology in a chart.

The best interpretation is one which takes the best qualities out of both of the factors- so here one might say Leo passion and self expression, which is much more public and open, and forthright because of Aries and the 10th house, must be combined with an attention to detail, a perfect image. Emotional stability and comfort depends upon being able to skillfully create this image or expression.

So, here, you might think the sign rulership shows the what, what the career should be about, and the moon shows the need, the importance of the need to fulfill this desire for emotional health etc.

Thank you for your reply.
I'm really, really into astrology for the past few months orso and i've strated to read everything I could find about it, but I didn't really understand the 'chemistry' between the house ruler and the planet in that house. But I get it now, so thanks everyone:)

[waybread]

Astrologer50, you're right--the time would be later. But would you please do me a big favour? Don't call me "hon". You say this a lot. I find it grating.

Styx, while I am on the subject of books, I would also recommend Jodie Forrest, The Ascendant. This might help you figure out your precise ascendant.

On the other hand, your ascendant will have progressed into Leo, regardless!

[Styx]

Astrologer50, you're right--the time would be later. But would you please do me a big favour? Don't call me "hon". You say this a lot. I find it grating.

Styx, while I am on the subject of books, I would also recommend Jodie Forrest, The Ascendant. This might help you figure out your precise ascendant.

On the other hand, your ascendant will have progressed into Leo, regardless!

I don't understand what you mean. Do you mean that having leo asc on 0 degree, the degree, is not important?
Thanks, i'm gonna try to find that book.

[starlink]

On the other hand, your ascendant will have progressed into Leo, regardless!
I don't understand what you mean. Do you mean that having leo asc on 0 degree, the degree, is not important?


I think Waybread means that, even though you think that your Asc. is Cancer, now, by progression, it has moved into Leo, so it is clear why you feel more Leonic than Cancerian at the moment (unless you have felt like a roaring Lion all your life of course:))

I dont know at which degree the progressed Asc. would be right now, but ANY degree is important, especially the 0° because it is a critical degree and could give an extra push in a way to start a new cycle in your life.

[The_Sundance_Kid]

Progression is a special technique for forecasting into the future. It involves the symbolic one day later in the chart= one year in real life. So when you are an adult, alot of astrologers focus on the progressed chart, to show what state you are in now. This is an area of debate- what relevance does the natal chart have to the adult compared to their progressed one. The progressed one might show how we are now, as people change.

If you have Asc Cancer on the 29th degree, the progression into Leo would have happened at a very young age, probably before the age of 3 (3 years= 3 days)

Does that help?

[Styx]

Thanks starlink and the_sundance_kid :)

Is the asc the only thing that progresses or do all the planets in a chart progress?

[RayAustin]

Thanks starlink and the_sundance_kid :)

Is the asc the only thing that progresses or do all the planets in a chart progress?

Yes, they all progress too.

[astrologer50]

Thanks starlink and the_sundance_kid :)

Is the asc the only thing that progresses or do all the planets in a chart progress?

But the most important is the Sun, Moon, Venus, Mercury, poss mars.The outer weight planets hardly move. Plus you can try the very simplistic method of Solar Arcs, ie; moving each planet, mc, asc 1' for evey year of your life, but only conj, square, opps are valid plus angles.......