Capricorn Moon Vs. Taurus Moon

[piercethevale]

Howdy ya'all. I 'd like to submit my experience with two women whom have I have been most intimately involved with in my life [in truth about the only two].
One is a woman I was living with from 1983 to 1988 [I was introduced to Astrology by my brother, Dan, in 1984]. She has natal Moon in Capricorn in th 30th [anaretic] degree.
My brother told me soon after she and I had got together that she was barren due to this debility. He was right! Some years after we had broke up [around 1992] I found out from her brother that she had an operation and the doctors had found her womb was terribly scarred from some reason or another and had been all her life [the reason was never mentioned or at least not revealed to me]...she is now married and has 3 children by invitro. [spelling?]
The other woman, whom is mentioned in my book "A Template For The Time. The Astological Birth Chart of Jesus" [TGS Publishing, Frankston Texas], as Miss X, has her Natal Moon in Taurus conj. M.C....and she has the most unbelievably beautiful 'Green Thumb' I've ever witnessed in manifestation.
Two examples that confirm the purported influences of the Moon in these signs and/or placement [the M.C.]
Is there anyone else that has had any experiences or observations of these influences to support my own?

[piercethevale]

...I realized that there may be more than the Moon in influence to the above observations and Im posting both womens' charts here for you all.
Cap. Moon Lady has the Moon in her 5th house,[which may be a contributing factor] and Miss X has the profound aspect of Pluto conj. Asc. [which gives her a remarkable ability to see more than the majority of us...as I have found to be true in the 10 years I've know her...{read Sarkoian and Ackers description of this natal conjunction in their 'Handbook' for more on this}]
Let me know what you see in these two charts...[My brother told me, in 1984, that 'Cap. Moon Lady' has more Earth in her chart than any birth chart he has ever encountered...the same observation holds true for me...and still does to this day.]

[AquaAqua]

She has natal Moon in Capricorn in th 30th [anaretic] degree.
My brother told me soon after she and I had got together that she was barren due to this debility.

Are you implying that women with capricorn moon have a high chance of being 'barren'?

Aqua

[piercethevale]

...No, not at all...I'm just submitting an observation here...it is about Cap. Moon in the 30th degree...and, actually what my brother said was she 'is more than likely barren'...and he was right. [I apologize for not being more specific] ...ptv

[AquaAqua]

For Miss X

Moon and Mars in tenth house - instinct for catching public eye and motivated to do so.

Jupiter in second house :) AND trining the moom and midheaven!

Aqua

[freedomlover]

My brother told me soon after she and I had got together that she was barren due to this debility. He was right! Some years after we had broke up [around 1992] I found out from her brother that she had an operation and the doctors had found her womb was terribly scarred from some reason or another and had been all her life [the reason was never mentioned or at least not revealed to me]...she is now married and has 3 children by invitro. [spelling?]
Her chart is very clear that this was to be part of her life lessons. I attribute it to these aspects: Moon in Capricorn 29th degree and Void of Course - in 5th house. Ruler of 5th is Saturn in Capricorn retrograde, and in the 5th, as well. Saturn is in a separating inconjunct to Uranus in Leo in the 12th. I would interepret this as past-life karma regarding bearing of children. Uranus is also disposited by the ruler of the 12th - Sun in Taurus in the 9th, conjunct Algol. Taurus rules fertility, if I'm not mistaken - and I'm a believer that the 9th also rules experiences and beliefs carried over from past lives. She has Jupiter (r) in Cap in the 4th, as well. Capricorn deals with "excess responsibilities and burdens". She may have been like "the little old lady who lives in a shoe, she had so many children she didn't know what to do".

Her life plan may have been to be childless ( at least for a long time), so that she could work on development of her own inner child. Also, ruler of the the 11th house of other people's children is Moon in Capricorn. This could show that, when she was ready for children, adoption may have been her answer - a lesson in learning to love children that are not "our own".
Then again, I think 11th would rule technology, which would show the invitro necessary for her to conceive.

That was an interesting chart. Thanks for posting, Piercethevale!

[starlink]

Freedomlover, what a nice deduction you gave us here, very good indeed!
I would also add indeed the lack of water (fertility) in her chart except Neptune retro and Chiron.

[piercethevale]

Aqua, thanks for the positive feedback. I'll pass this along to Miss X here, momentarily.:)
Freedomlover, thanks for the intense and thorough analysis. I have to admit that I never followed house placements but very little. Your study and insight is most impressive and quite illuminating. Also I haven't looked at my ex-companions chart in many a year...it would be of great interest to me to here what you've to say about Plutos' sojourn throuh cap. As I belive Cap. to be the exaltation or dignification of Lilith...
Thank you both again, ptv

...ps, it is the 30th degree of Cap. as I'm sure you meant to write...
..and I also have to add,[after some thought on the matter] is that she had to watch her two older brothers and an older and youger sister all have children before she had her own and...YES she did 'appreciate and love others' children unreservedly!

[NicholasH]

a good friend of mine is a gifted landscaper, and has his moon in taurus in the tenth house. i'm basically just reafirming what you said..


and now off topic but a perfect example of a capricorn moon:
my friend who has cap. moon, one time while talking to me about boyfriend issues said, "blah blah blah. feelings feelings feelings." i know its subtle and not necesary on this post.

[JayM]

Her chart is very clear that this was to be part of her life lessons. I attribute it to these aspects: Moon in Capricorn 29th degree and Void of Course - in 5th house. \

"Void of course"???? whats that?

[freedomlover]

"Void of course"???? whats that?
Okay, off the top of my head.....

"Void of Course" means that the Moon will not make any more major aspects to any planet before it leaves the current sign it is transiting. ( There is some difference of opinion among astrologers as to what constitutes an "aspect", as some use modern planets and some don't. There are a few that count aspects to asteroids, but I think that is in the "trial and error" stage as of yet. But at 29 degrees of a sign, the Moon is pretty much void of course, whichever way you look at it.)

To rest of forum: If this is not the "textbook" definition, please correct me, as I would be interested to know if there is any other way to describe it more accurately.

[AquaAqua]

Hi Freedom lover and pircethevale. Can the same conclusion also be derived for this chart (attached)?

Aqua

[hermetic]

As I belive Cap. to be the exaltation or dignification of Lilith...

can you elaborate more on why you think this is so? first time I hear this but it sure sounds interesting

[cathywh]

I have a Capricorn Moon in 5H - 26 degrees:( Ruler Saturn is in 12H in Leo, my Asc. As of now, I do not see any chance of me having babies, neck deep in some **** and hard to get out of it thou I am not so sure I may be barren medically. All women in my whole family from last 3 gen at least been having kids even when they least planned for it and lots of kids. So neither genetic defects nor any mal functions I am aware of

[JayM]

I agree with hermetic, I dont know what sign rules lilith, but if I had to guess why you think cap might rule it, I would say that given what lilith is like and that cap and saturn partly represent fears, that similarity might indicate a rulership. Just a thought.

[piercethevale]

...I read somewhere, in some work I've forgotten, that Lililith rules, is exalted or is dignified in Cap. It made sense to me at the time as it is refferred to as the 'Dark Moon" by some, the 'Moons Dark Reflection' etc... and as the 'Moon' rules the opposite sign Cancer, it would weem it's' 'reflection' would naturally rule [or more likely be exalted or dignified in] the opposite sign.
Also by some various mystics' interpretations I've met over the years, and I've met quite a few [most memorably a Christian Science Mystic I met some 5 or 6 years ago that gave me an interesting slant on 'Lilith' per the book of Adam and Lilith that is found in th e Hebrew Bible and the Apocyrpha... an explanation too esoteric and too peculiarly secular for this Forum I feel].
...But, by my own sense of these matters [ and I find I'm pretty accurate most often] this assocation,of Lilith with Capricorn 'feels' right...
...Has anyone heard any different?

[Claire19]

Howdy ya'all. I 'd like to submit my experience with two women whom have I have been most intimately involved with in my life [in truth about the only two].
One is a woman I was living with from 1983 to 1988 [I was introduced to Astrology by my brother, Dan, in 1984]. She has natal Moon in Capricorn in th 30th [anaretic] degree.
My brother told me soon after she and I had got together that she was barren due to this debility. He was right! Some years after we had broke up [around 1992] I found out from her brother that she had an operation and the doctors had found her womb was terribly scarred from some reason or another and had been all her life [the reason was never mentioned or at least not revealed to me]...she is now married and has 3 children by invitro. [spelling?]
The other woman, whom is mentioned in my book "A Template For The Time. The Astological Birth Chart of Jesus" [TGS Publishing, Frankston Texas], as Miss X, has her Natal Moon in Taurus conj. M.C....and she has the most unbelievably beautiful 'Green Thumb' I've ever witnessed in manifestation.
Two examples that confirm the purported influences of the Moon in these signs and/or placement [the M.C.]
Is there anyone else that has had any experiences or observations of these influences to support my own?

I have a Taurus Moon and I adore all plants and flowers. Have them in my home and outside. Most things do well and I like nurturing them. I have more than a few Taurean women in my life and as it rules my IC, they are also in my family. I have a sweet tooth and because of that being somewhat lazy at times I have too much weight on but am voluptuous which I inherited from my mother.

Capricorn Moon I know more than a few of as well. THey tend to be rather disciplined and critical or they experience that from their family, particularly the females. THey can be hardworking and loyal but restrained emotionally.
Practical around the home and like Taurus Moon can be into farming and gardening and growing their own produce. Of course much depends on the aspects and placement in the chart, as always.

[Claire19]

Are you implying that women with capricorn moon have a high chance of being 'barren'?

Aqua

I dont think that is true at all as a given. I know a few who have that placement, both men and women and they all have children born naturally.
Including my own father and my best friend.

THe danger once again is taking one placement out of the whole chart scenario. I think perhaps they are cautious and practical about family matters and probably only have the children they can afford or really want due to disciplined approach.

[AquaAqua]

I dont think that is true at all as a given. I know a few who have that placement, both men and women and they all have children born naturally.
Including my own father and my best friend.

THe danger once again is taking one placement out of the whole chart scenario. I think perhaps they are cautious and practical about family matters and probably only have the children they can afford or really want due to disciplined approach.

Thanks Claire. I too may have some insights on this. still working on them and may share them as soon as i can reach on a conclusion.

Regards

Aqua

[piercethevale]

....Thanks to all for your insights.
I think "freedomlover" gave me an very insightful connection to follow.
Of course not every woman born with Cap. Moon in the anaretic 30th degree of Capricorn will be barren. My brother is most well educated and enlightened in house analysis and other areas of Astrology that I'm weak in. [ And then again he has his own natural areas of strength in it also.]
I can't say for sure how deep my borther probed the aspects to make the assumption he did. Possibly he followed the same line of deductive reasoning as 'Freedomlover'... or along similiar lines.
That was my incentive for posting this thread...to see 'HOW' it can/could be deduced....hoping someone would demonstrate the most logical line of deduction.
...the 'Green Thumb' aspect intrigues me further though...I think it's the combination of a Taurus Moon at M.C. that bestows Miss X with her incredible talents...and I mean INCREDIBLE...as, years ago, I saw what she did with a small cactus and flower garden that was on the north side of an old cottage I had recently moved into.
She transformed a long neglected patch of dirt bordering the alley in the rear of the dwelling into a growing, flowering, vibrant green miniture Eden nearly overnight with just an afternoons attention the day before.
The Cacti where sprouting roses within the week also and the 'Century plant' sprouted its' stalk within the month....quite remarkable.:)

[Claire19]

a good friend of mine is a gifted landscaper, and has his moon in taurus in the tenth house. i'm basically just reafirming what you said..


and now off topic but a perfect example of a capricorn moon:
my friend who has cap. moon, one time while talking to me about boyfriend issues said, "blah blah blah. feelings feelings feelings." i know its subtle and not necesary on this post.

Well Moon in Capricorn can be out of touch with their feelings, it is true.
Discipline, propriety and public image is all important and must not embarrass or make a scene with display of emotion. Men with this placement can attract women who are older, rather dark or sombre perhaps and repressed but loyal and reliable. I have seen it several times.

[piercethevale]

Well Moon in Capricorn can be out of touch with their feelings, it is true.
Discipline, propriety and public image is all important and must not embarrass or make a scene with display of emotion. Men with this placement can attract women who are older, rather dark or sombre perhaps and repressed but loyal and reliable. I have seen it several times.

...interesting in that I am 7 years older than the woman I am mentioning and the rest of the descprition fits me also.
Possibly the attraction principle works for both genders or is a result of the anaretic degree in our case.

[Claire19]

Howdy ya'all. I 'd like to submit my experience with two women whom have I have been most intimately involved with in my life [in truth about the only two].
One is a woman I was living with from 1983 to 1988 [I was introduced to Astrology by my brother, Dan, in 1984]. She has natal Moon in Capricorn in th 30th [anaretic] degree.
My brother told me soon after she and I had got together that she was barren due to this debility. He was right! Some years after we had broke up [around 1992] I found out from her brother that she had an operation and the doctors had found her womb was terribly scarred from some reason or another and had been all her life [the reason was never mentioned or at least not revealed to me]...she is now married and has 3 children by invitro. [spelling?]
The other woman, whom is mentioned in my book "A Template For The Time. The Astological Birth Chart of Jesus" [TGS Publishing, Frankston Texas], as Miss X, has her Natal Moon in Taurus conj. M.C....and she has the most unbelievably beautiful 'Green Thumb' I've ever witnessed in manifestation.
Two examples that confirm the purported influences of the Moon in these signs and/or placement [the M.C.]
Is there anyone else that has had any experiences or observations of these influences to support my own?

Both Capricorn and Taurus are earth signs and deal in practicalities and
connection to the earth with farming, horticulture and agriculture is common. I have the Moon in Taurus with Taurus on the IC and so my home is a veritable jungle and I have success with many plants. THis I inherited from my mother. Your Miss X can make a very good living with her green thumb and many people would know of her expertise as it is the public arena of the chart.

With the Moon in Capricorn there can be problems with bone structure around the womb area but scarring would perhaps point to abortion??? Hard to say without the full chart of course.
However Capricorn can be a determined and steadfast sign and will point to a very strong nature with the process of having children. The discipline needed for invitro for example.

[Claire19]

...interesting in that I am 7 years older than the woman I am mentioning and the rest of the descprition fits me also.
Possibly the attraction principle works for both genders or is a result of the anaretic degree in our case.

I agree that Moon in Capricorn men can be attracted to the older woman and especially one that may boss him around. This comes from the mother experience of his childhood and depending on the aspects, can mean a stern and undemonstrative person, dark yes and perhaps hardworking and disciplined or one that makes him feel like he is being parented. It can also mean very few women in his life and a tendency to stay and endure through a sense of loyality and the proper thing to do. It is not the most romantic placement but perhaps best suited to the institution of marriage. It can also mean that this person will construct his own home and that there will be sense of having to be prudent and make a success of themselves. Can grow own vegetables and have animals for milk and meat etc. A desire to live on a farm or grew up in that kind of environment.

[katydid]

Are you implying that women with capricorn moon have a high chance of being 'barren'?

Aqua


My Moon is @ 4 Cap, conjunct Chiron and Mars @ 7 Cap, all in the 8th house.
I had surgery to open blocked tubes, and then had 2 very early stage miscarriages. However, I was lucky enough to adopt 2 newborns , got the honor to take part in both of their births in the delivery room, and to watch both grow into incredible young adults. :)

[winterseye]

Aqua - I'd be really careful about explaining something that physical by anything astrological.

[Claire19]

a good friend of mine is a gifted landscaper, and has his moon in taurus in the tenth house. i'm basically just reafirming what you said..


and now off topic but a perfect example of a capricorn moon:
my friend who has cap. moon, one time while talking to me about boyfriend issues said, "blah blah blah. feelings feelings feelings." i know its subtle and not necesary on this post.
Yes right! Cap Moon will do what is proper and right and has a strong sense of how they may appear to the public etc and will make big sacrifices for that. They can appear cool and austere and often not very demonstrative.
I for some reason attract them and I have my Moon in Taurus which is a sensual and affectionate placement so perhaps I thaw them out a bit.:) whilst having the practical earthy side.

[Claire19]

I dont think that is true at all as a given. I know a few who have that placement, both men and women and they all have children born naturally.
Including my own father and my best friend.

THe danger once again is taking one placement out of the whole chart scenario. I think perhaps they are cautious and practical about family matters and probably only have the children they can afford or really want due to disciplined approach.

I know many Capricorn Moon people and I agree that discipline has played a large part in their own childrearing. Very often the mother is the authoritarian or discplinarian in the family. Not very demonstrative or affectionate and can feel that they sacrifice for their children and the homelife can be rather austere.

[neko senshi]

I have Moon in Taurus and my mother has Moon in Capricorn. Although she doesn't like to confront intense emotions, she has been nurturing and giving and loving. Might be the grand water trine in her chart.

[piercethevale]

I am afraid I feel happy to be able to disprove what has been said in this thread: I am a Taurus Moon in the 10th, like Miss X. About 20º from MC, and Conjunct North Node. Also, it is in Mutual Reception with Venus in 12th.

I am terrible with plants (like them but no clue about nurturing them) and I am 42 and do not have any children.

In another thread (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=160819&postcount=29), it was said that Sun or Moon in 10th may be a sign of infertility. So just the opposite as was said here.

I don't want to have children, but those who want get to worry too much about it, so I think we should be careful giving generalizations about what Moon is or is not infertile. One out of 12 women have the Moon in a particular Sign.



...I was refering to a particular degree of Capricorn i.e. the 30th...so it's more like 1 woman in 360 and then this is just a possibility if certain other conditions/aspects are found to re-inforce this.
Where my brother got his info from is a mystery to me...he read it somewhere. My brother is certainly no dumby...and never makes flipant remarks about something as important as this...he went back to college 7-8 years ago and since then has acquired a BS in Organic Chemistry, a BS in Computer Science, a Masters in Teaching, a BS in Biology and a BA in English Literature...he got bored with Astrology although he still practices/observes it.

[piercethevale]

I was disproving with my personal case what has been said in the thread. That is all.

If your brother is so clever, tell him to come here and explain why he said so. :wink:

I don't see where you've disproved anything...for one thing your moon in Taurus is far too out of orb with your M.C. at 20* off and we are talking about the 30th degree of Cap. no one here has mentioned anything about the moon in the 10th being a sign of infertility... I suggest you go back to the beginning and re-read what was posted...if you are refering to what was said in another thread then I suggest you voice your protest there. [the confusion can be blamed on the retrograde Mercury at this time]
The question is:
Are there any women on this forum that have Moon in the 30th degree of Capricorn that have concieved children?

[Claire19]

Her chart is very clear that this was to be part of her life lessons. I attribute it to these aspects: Moon in Capricorn 29th degree and Void of Course - in 5th house. Ruler of 5th is Saturn in Capricorn retrograde, and in the 5th, as well. Saturn is in a separating inconjunct to Uranus in Leo in the 12th. I would interepret this as past-life karma regarding bearing of children. Uranus is also disposited by the ruler of the 12th - Sun in Taurus in the 9th, conjunct Algol. Taurus rules fertility, if I'm not mistaken - and I'm a believer that the 9th also rules experiences and beliefs carried over from past lives. She has Jupiter (r) in Cap in the 4th, as well. Capricorn deals with "excess responsibilities and burdens". She may have been like "the little old lady who lives in a shoe, she had so many children she didn't know what to do".

Her life plan may have been to be childless ( at least for a long time), so that she could work on development of her own inner child. Also, ruler of the the 11th house of other people's children is Moon in Capricorn. This could show that, when she was ready for children, adoption may have been her answer - a lesson in learning to love children that are not "our own".
Then again, I think 11th would rule technology, which would show the invitro necessary for her to conceive.

That was an interesting chart. Thanks for posting, Piercethevale!
I am not sure the 11th denotes other people's children, except children of the partner. So stepchildren yes and yes new age technologies and science.

[Claire19]

I am afraid I feel happy to be able to disprove what has been said in this thread: I am a Taurus Moon in the 10th, like Miss X. About 20º from MC, and Conjunct North Node. Also, it is in Mutual Reception with Venus in 12th.

I am terrible with plants (like them but no clue about nurturing them) and I am 42 and do not have any children.

In another thread (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=160819&postcount=29), it was said that Sun or Moon in 10th may be a sign of infertility. So just the opposite as was said here.

I don't want to have children, but those who want get to worry too much about it, so I think we should be careful giving generalizations about what Moon is or is not infertile. One out of 12 women have the Moon in a particular Sign.



...I was refering to a particular degree of Capricorn i.e. the 30th...so it's more like 1 woman in 360 and then this is just a possibility if certain other conditions/aspects are found to re-inforce this.
Where my brother got his info from is a mystery to me...he read it somewhere. My brother is certainly no dumby...and never makes flipant remarks about something as important as this...he went back to college 7-8 years ago and since then has acquired a BS in Organic Chemistry, a BS in Computer Science, a Masters in Teaching, a BS in Biology and a BA in English Literature...he got bored with Astrology although he still practices/observes it.
Moon in Taurus does not refer to children or plantlife in itself, in the 10th. It rather gives indications of father and authority figures and career choice. Once again the aspects have to be taken in account.
I have Moon in Taurus which rules the 4th and I have lots of plants in my home and grew up with them. I have female Taureans in the family and
also learned the value of a dollar from my mother as she was the keeper of the household purse as has been the tradition in her family with women owning property etc.

This is my experience as well as having the Moon in the 3rd I have Taurean friends and with Venus conjuncting Neptune, a Piscean sibling. Venus ruling the 4th and conjunct Mars also Aries family member. So you see we need to take the ruler (Venus) and its aspects always into consideration.

I also believe that Earth rules Taurus really and perhaps Venus co rules.....