Significator in the depositor of the quesited

[Neptune Rising]

Hello hello :)

I am Mercury
the quesited is Jupiter.

Mercury is currently in Sagitarius, so Jupiter is my/Mercury's depositor.

Does this mean Jupiter likes me, or does it mean I like Jupiter?


I thought, as Jupiter is the 'landlord' of Mercury, it is him that welcomes Mercury into his sign.
:confused: :confused:

Many thanks!
NR

[RayAustin]

It means you like jupiter, being in its sign.

Mercury is received by jupiter.
Now to see if Jupiter receives YOU unfortunately or positively you look at the following

1. Receptions - is jupiter in mercury's term, face, triplicity or rulership? Points to positive. In mercury's bad spots, negative, I'm sure you know this. :)
2. Condition of Jupiter - if jupiter is debilitated, then, it is not a good host -- an analogy, the host is unable to provide its guest with a good experience under their care, because they are lacking. If jupiter is badly debilitated, the relationship is weak; the host is hostile to their guest.
3. Aspects between -- A positive aspect would ease things, a bad aspect, hostility from the host to its guest.

Ray :)

[Neptune Rising]

Thanks Ray
Thats a great explaination, its much much clearer now ;)
NR

[freedomlover]

I am Mercury
the quesited is Jupiter.

Mercury is currently in Sagitarius, so Jupiter is my/Mercury's depositor.

Does this mean Jupiter likes me, or does it mean I like Jupiter?


I thought, as Jupiter is the 'landlord' of Mercury, it is him that welcomes Mercury into his sign.
:confused: :confused:

This is the way I've always viewed dispositors:

The planet doing the dispositing influences the planet being disposited.
So Jupiter in Capricorn would be influenced by Mercury in Sagittarius.

[RayAustin]

This is the way I've always viewed dispositors:

The planet doing the dispositing influences the planet being disposited.
So Jupiter in Capricorn would be influenced by Mercury in Sagittarius.

Yes, thats also very true!
But I think you mean that the other way around.

[freedomlover]

Yes, thats also very true!
But I think you mean that the other way around.

Ok, I thought about this again. Really, this isn't a case of Dispositorship. The dispositor of Jupiter in Capricorn would currently be Saturn in Virgo.

This is a case of the the planet/sign kinship. Jupiter is Sagittarius. Mercury is in the home sign of Jupiter - Sagittarius.

But, I still get the same answer, as to whose influencing who. Mercury is in Jupiter's home turf. Jupiter is in Saturn's. Therefore, I would see Mercury as having a stronger influence on Jupiter - but not dispositorship.

Also, if you did truly follow the chain of dispositorship, it still leads back to Mercury . Jupiter in Cap is disposited by Saturn in Virgo, which is disposited by Mercury in Sagittarius - which is disposited by:
(Hits self in forehead with palm of hand while doing my best Homer Simpson) Jupiter in Capricorn! Yes, obviously I did mean that the other way around, considering dispositorship. But the "home turf" viewpoint is, I think, how I originally saw it, which was not dispositorship.

Thanks for causing me to take a second look, R. A. I obviously answered without thinking through all the details. I need a vacation.... Sigh......

[Neptune Rising]

Great replies!

Mercury has influence over Jupiter, because Mercury is really Jupiter's landlord's landlord. Like the top landlord :p

Now I'm stuck again.
So Mercury/me and Jupiter/7th are the significators. But Saturn is in the first house. Saturn is Jupiter's landlord so does this mean Jupiter likes me by having its landlord in my first house? Or would that be a mild influence?

Thanks
NR

[RayAustin]

Great replies!

Mercury has influence over Jupiter, because Mercury is really Jupiter's landlord's landlord. Like the top landlord :p

Now I'm stuck again.
So Mercury/me and Jupiter/7th are the significators. But Saturn is in the first house. Saturn is Jupiter's landlord so does this mean Jupiter likes me by having its landlord in my first house? Or would that be a mild influence?

Thanks
NR

Like I said, it depends on the 'landlord's' condition.
I think you're going to far with it by your last statement.. If Jupiter liked mercury, it would aspect to it, be in mercury's houses or something, simply. :)

[freedomlover]

Mercury has influence over Jupiter, because Mercury is really Jupiter's landlord's landlord. Like the top landlord :p

Now I'm stuck again.
So Mercury/me and Jupiter/7th are the significators. But Saturn is in the first house. Saturn is Jupiter's landlord so does this mean Jupiter likes me by having its landlord in my first house? Or would that be a mild influence?

Ok. Mercury is in Jupiter's home turf- Sagittarius. However, Jupiter does disposit Mercury, which is disposited by Saturn in Virgo, which is disposited by Mercury, which is disposited by Jupiter. Final answer: Jupiter is final dispositor of the situation.

I would read, however, possibly Jupiter values Mercury's communication/teaching skill, expanded viewpoint, etc?

As to Saturn.... Saturn does disposit Jupiter, which is further disposited by Mercury. You say you are Mercury - so Mercury rules Ascendant? He is Jupiter, ruler of 7th? Jupiter's dispositor (landlord:p) IS in your house, the first - no? Possibly he views you as someone who works for him? values your service? or possibly he thinks you want him for his work that you value? You DO disposit Saturn in your house, but he then disposits you again. It sounds like somekind of power struggle to me- in some way. There is obviously connection between you two - but why all the emphasis on "work" signs: Jupiter in Cap and Saturn in Virgo. Mercury in Sag's downfall is to not consider the other's point of view/frame of reference, and to make assumptions.


Like I said, it depends on the 'landlord's' condition.
I think you're going to far with it by your last statement.. If Jupiter liked mercury, it would aspect to it, be in mercury's houses or something, simply. :)


So, Jupiter is not in your house, but its dispositor is. Hmmm... It still sounds more like he values you for something you do: He receives your Mercury. But only his dispositor is in your house. Or again, possibly that he thinks you're going to make a worker of him,(Saturn in Virgo) and so that is the only part that is in your house. Don't laugh. Alot of men are like that - an awful lot of men- think that women just want them for their ability to work/provide.

Some details about the situation or a chart-posting might really help at this time. Well, maybe others - not much help for me... LOL:confused::eek::D

Oh, one other idea - maybe he likes to talk to you ( receives your Mercury in his turf) but is a workaholic and has no time to spend with you? (Jupiter in Cap disposited by Saturn in Virgo)

FL

[Neptune Rising]

So, Jupiter is not in your house, but its dispositor is. Hmmm... It still sounds more like he values you for something you do: He receives your Mercury. But only his dispositor is in your house. Or again, possibly that he thinks you're going to make a worker of him,(Saturn in Virgo) and so that is the only part that is in your house. Don't laugh. Alot of men are like that - an awful lot of men- think that women just want them for their ability to work/provide.

Some details about the situation or a chart-posting might really help at this time. Well, maybe others - not much help for me... LOL:confused::eek::D

Oh, one other idea - maybe he likes to talk to you ( receives your Mercury in his turf) but is a workaholic and has no time to spend with you? (Jupiter in Cap disposited by Saturn in Virgo)

FL

Oh my goodness that hit the nail on the head!
Yes he is hooked on his work, he is a communicator by profession, and he loves to talk to me.
He is also interested in my sometimes teaching him a bit of yoga.
Ha and maybe he thinks I'm after him for his working ability! Made me laugh! :D hehe make a worker of him yet!

Its weird, it seems to go in a circle, Jupiter - Saturn - Mercury - Jupiter. So Jup is the final depositor for him?
Jupiter rules him
Saturn rules 5th/6th
Mercury rules me and 10th.

Ok I'm getting how these depositors can influence things.

Here is the chart, I asked 'how does he feel'.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk27/Jo75Tiger/meamdm.gif

Mercury is me, and my depositor is Sagitarius/Jupiter. Jupiter is in fall, Mercury is in detriment, argh! :p The strongest planet in that trio is Saturn.

I'm going to come back to this with a fresh head.

Thanks very much for your help FL and RA
NR

[Neptune Rising]

Like I said, it depends on the 'landlord's' condition.
I think you're going to far with it by your last statement.. If Jupiter liked mercury, it would aspect to it, be in mercury's houses or something, simply. :)
Yes I totally agree, those are the clearest signs.
Understanding so much more now, I hope.
I appreciate your help RA thank you very much!
NR

[archergirl]

But don't forget that Mercury is detrimented in Sagittarius, the sign opposite to its domicile. This is not a good place for Mercury; Mercury is a guest in Jupiter's home, so Jupiter will not harm him; but Mercury himself is vulnerable. If you have ever seen the film "Kingdom of Heaven", you can equate Mercury to Orlando Bloom, a Crusader, sitting in the Muslim Saladin's (Jupiter) tent. Saladin receives Orlando as a 'guest', but Orlando's fate can go either way: it is entirely up to Saladin, what happens. Orlando is therefore vulnerable, even though he is being treated well.

AG:)

[Neptune Rising]

I see! :) Thanks very much AG!
I'll remember that image of Orlando Bloom in Jupiter's tent...
If Mercury wasn't in detriment, would he still be vulnerable to Jupiter?
NR

[archergirl]

Mercury would still be vulnerable to Jupiter, but not nearly so much. When Mercury is in detriment, Jupiter has a sort of 'life or death' power (that's a bit extreme, but we'll stick with the Orlando Bloom analogy)...if Mercury were not in detriment but was still received by Jupiter into some other dignity besides domicile, he would still be a guest in Jupiter's tent (and so, treated courteously by Jupiter) but Jupiter would not hold such power over him.

In a love question, for example, a planet in detriment, received by that other planet (so, Mercury in detriment, in Jupiter's sign) is extra vulnerable: Mercury 'loves' Jupiter, and is therefore vulnerable...hence not strong.

AG:)

[barbh]

Hi AG

Ok, I get that Merc in Sag is in the rulership of Jup, so Merc really likes jup. jupiter has power over Mercury in that sense. However, we can't say anything about how Jupiter feels about mercury just from this. We'd have to look at jupiter's placement to see if Mercury holds any power over jup, be it my face, terms, trip whatever.
So, i don't get the part where you say


Mercury is a guest in Jupiter's home, so Jupiter will not harm him


How can you tell that unless you checked out Jupiter's receptions first? What if Jup were in Pisces....then he would hate Mercury, and would not treat him courteously at all! ? :confused:

barbh :)

[archergirl]

Jupiter IS receiving Mercury, by domicile. This means that Mercury will not be harmed by Jupiter, even though Mercury is in detriment in Jupiter's sign. Think of a child having a temper tantrum, and the parent looking on in mild amusement. Whether that parent is a good parent (Jupiter in Cancer, say) or a bad parent (Jupiter in Capricorn, say) is beside the point. The point is, Jupiter will not harm Mercury, even though Mercury is vulnerable and maybe not so great at being a houseguest. Sorry for the mixed analogies.

AG:)

[barbh]

Still confused.


Jupiter IS receiving Mercury, by domicile.


How...because Jupiter is in Capricorn, so how does he receive Mercury?


So, Jupiter receiving Mercury is the same thing as saying that Mercury is in one of the dignities (detriment) of Jupiter?

Venus in Aries....do we say that Venus is receiving Mars, or is Mars receiving Venus?

The word receiving screws it all up. Just saying that Venus in Aries really loves Mars, or that Mars has influence over Venus in Aries makes more sense.


barbh

[archergirl]

Jupiter receives Mercury, because Mercury is in Jupiter's sign.

Mars receives Venus, because Venus in in Mars' sign. 'Likes' and 'loves' actually confuse the issue. We need to see the planet in someone else's sign, as a guest in that someone's house. When you are a guest, the host treats you well. Being a guest, you are more inclined to behave.

AG:)

[barbh]

Ok, got it. Thanks AG.
barbh:)