Discussion/questions:Archergirl's Article:Basic Horary

[lillyjgc]

Thankyou very much AG, for that clear concise and very helpful article. Here's a link:

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12782

If you have questions/comments about the Article feel free to discuss it here on this thread.
Thanks,
Lillyjgc

[barbh]

Excellent article AG. Thanks for posting it!

barbh

[starlink]

Good one AG! This might help a lot of newby's.

One suggestion: We might need a short explanation on Mutual Receptions as so often we get questions like: Does he/she like me? What does he/she feel for me? Would this be possible? or do you think this belongs more in the "advanced" horary? Maybe there is already a clear explanation for that in this Technique forum, so then I would just copy and paste it into your article as an extra point at the end of the article. (if you agree with this suggestion only of course).

All those links are also fantastic! Thanks Lilly!
Cheers, Starlink

:)

[archergirl]

Mutual reception is fairly complicated; I would be more tempted to make a separate article or 'blurb' for it, as explaining it will take a page or two!

AG:)

PS Thanks for all the links; they are fab!

[lillyjgc]

Thanks for the great work. Yes, i think *Advanced Horary* could be a good follow up for the Board.
I'll keep adding to those links as I go over past threads from this forum too.
Also i thought I might try to include a list of free *E-Books* on the subject.
Cheers, lillyjgc

[dreamtimez]

Thank you AG for this ... its a great help for us. :)


I have a question to ask regarding the Moon. In the article you said : "Many beginners overlook how important the Moon is in horary. The Moon is often thought of as a ‘co-significator’ for the person asking the question, but the Moon really should be thought of as the engine in the ‘car’ of the chart: the Moon drives the action of the chart (or not)."

What happens when the Moon signifies the querent/questied ? How do we read the future development in such a chart.

Thanks in advance

[archergirl]

What happens when the Moon signifies the querent/questied ? How do we read the future development in such a chart.

When it represents someone in the chart, it takes the role of both; so you have to hold a paradox of sorts. The Moon will represent the person; it will also represent the thrust of the question.

AG:)

[etoilestar]

Hi AG

great article, not finished it yet but need to ask the questions as they come up or i get engrossed in something else and forget...

The late ascendant thing meaning that the querent possibly already knows the answer...

would this be interpreted as for example "had a row with the b/f g/f and I am worried that we won't get back together" ie I don't think we will in my turmoil... or is it more sepcific as in "had a row with b/f g/f during which he she told me he she had someone else and was marrying them next week" ie there is a HUGE chance that I know the answer

I ask because there are a few times when this has happened, in circumstances where there was no real indication like in the getting married example, and it was a real is it or isnt it situation, yet it still came with the late ascendant...

hope you can understand what im asking.. lol its not too clear.

thanks Melanie

[NicholasH]

thanks you for the post!
clear, easy to understand.
i'm actually doing horary and it works.

pat on the back for u.

[dreamtimez]

When it represents someone in the chart, it takes the role of both; so you have to hold a paradox of sorts. The Moon will represent the person; it will also represent the thrust of the question.

AG:)



Thank you, AG :) so the Moon sometimes takes on a dual role. Indeed I'll be reading horary charts so much better now (hopefully) !!! AG, I was wondering could you post an article on judging 'end of the matter'. As far as I know the Moon's last aspect signifies it ... but I don't have a clear idea.

Take care

[archergirl]

Hi Melanie (etoilestar),

A late ascendant shouldn't stand as the final judgement in a chart; you can still look at the relationship between the querent/quesited and see what they are 'doing'.

What the late ascendant points to is that:

a) the querent can do nothing about the situation, anyway (it's 'too late') or:
b) they have probably already asked the question before, or already know the answer, but are asking anyway. Just be cautious about reading such charts, especially if they are your own charts. Chances are, you're tinkering with things you oughtn't to.;)

Hi Dreamtimez,

There are different ways of judging the 'end of the matter', most of which make things very complicated.:D Try to judge the matter by what the querent and quesited's planets are doing, first; what the Moon is doing, second; and if you still get no joy you can look to the 4th house significator and see whether one of the main significators or the Moon aspect it. But in most charts you won't need to.

I'll take your suggestions for other articles. I may have to end up writing a book!:D

AG:)

[natasa812]

Thank you, very useful. I need to learn a lot, but this is an excellent guide.
Natasha

[lillyjgc]

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12783
Sorry Natasha, I (unsuccessfully) tried to move this to the correct Board (see pm) but it ended up here! Will get help from a more experienced mod. Sorry!
Lillyjgc

[etoilestar]

thanks AG

that helps clarify it a bit... well done at understanding where i was coming from I just reread what i wrote and even I had trouble lol

Melanie

[aquarius7000]

Hi Nicholas and Natasha,

I've moved your posts to discusss the write-up, "How to read a Horary Chart: The Basics", to this thread.


:)aquarius7000

[hermetic]

There are different ways of judging the 'end of the matter', most of which make things very complicated.:D Try to judge the matter by what the querent and quesited's planets are doing, first; what the Moon is doing, second; and if you still get no joy you can look to the 4th house significator and see whether one of the main significators or the Moon aspect it. But in most charts you won't need to.


Archergirl, one question from me - if the Moon is indeed aspecting the 4th house ruler, how is this read into - if it's applying and positive then it's good, and separating and hard aspects are not good, true?

oh, and you should definitely write a book, with all the knowledge you have ;)

[archergirl]

if the Moon is indeed aspecting the 4th house ruler, how is this read into - if it's applying and positive then it's good, and separating and hard aspects are not good, true?

This is why I seldom recommend looking at it from the 4th house. :p
if it's applying and positive then it's good, and separating and hard aspects are not good, true?

Yes, basically. An applying trine (especially with favourable reception) indicates a 'good' ending to the story; separating aspects clearly show that it's on its way out the door.

AG:)

[Kannan]

AG

In the wake of an excellant article by you, can you throw some light on "To Turn or not to Turn the chart" also .Your views on this will be very educative to the members.

Thank you

Kannan

[newmoonveil]

Love the article, very helpful.

Can I ask what more abstract things like trustworthiness of someone else would be ruled by? And further, would you rotate the chart for the person quesited to determine the house and ruler? I would imagine that the aspect between that ruler and the significators/moon would be what to look for? How would one determine the answer if there was a lack of aspect?

I originally thought trustworthiness would be ruled by the 3rd, considering that house rules communication, but I'm just not sure because trustworthiness in a person is not always about communication and it also seems like 2nd house of Values to me too.

I know this is a lot of questions, but I can't help my curious mind and I have no one else to ask.

Thank you!

[dreamtimez]

I may have to end up writing a book! AG:)

Yes, please :) by all means !!!

[RockFish]

Hello,

I'm a total greehorn in terms of horary, and just read the article posted in the education board. Thanks for it, it's great.

Now the questions:

1- I'd like to know how time applies in the matters of horary readings.

For example, imagine someone ask "Will he call me?": that's a bit of a vague question, since he may call tomorrow or in ten years, so, how do we deal with a question like this? Of course, if the rulers of the two people involved are in contact, then the chance for an immediate 'yes' is better. but if they aren't, how do you distinguish a blatant 'never' from a 'maybe in a few months'? I hope this question makes any sense...

2- Another question about time:

Is it possible or adequate to ask something like "will we ever see each other again?" For instance, if the answer is very much negative, does it mean they will never meet again in a lifetime? Does horary provide definitive answers like this? Or this kind of question is not adequate for horary?

3- This is probably a dumb question, but how do you know when there is a late or early ascendant? Is it by the degrees?

Thanks in advance!

[natasa812]

For the 3. question - if it is until 3 degrees or 3 degrees less from the end, than it is too early or too late. For example, if the AC is at 1 or 2 or 3 or at 27 or 28 or 29.
And there is article about time in horary, use the search tool (go up with your mouse, write ``time` in the small box that will open whan you click on search button and than click again on a smaler button and you will find all posts about it).
Best regards
Natasa

[archergirl]

Try this one:http://www.skyscript.co.uk/timing.html

Timing is not an exact science, keep in mind.

AG:)

[RockFish]

Thanks, natasa and archer, for your answers, really helpful! :)

And Frawley's article really says it all, isn't it? I'm glad that some mysteries remain. :)

[Astrologer4U]

Where would the landlord be in the Horary chart?

[lillyjgc]

Astrologer4U,
I have moved this post from the Ed Board to the Discussion of the article. (here).
Cheers
lillyjgc

[archergirl]

In ancient times, the landlord/tenant relationship was given to the 6th house, because the tenant was a sort of 'servant': this comes from feudal times.

Nowadays, the landlord would be the 7th house, because it is assumed that the landlord/tenant are partners in contract, and are therefore on equal terms.

AG:)

[Chimerical]

Thank you, thank you, thank you to both Archergirl and Lillyjgc for providing this information:)

[Teb]

^^^ ditto what she said!

[noideaaboutastro]

I'm confused. How do I find the moon?
And what if this is a legal matter involving my ex (7th house right) and my son (5th house right?) and travel+my extended family? What is that?

[PensiveGemini]

Thanks for the article, it really really summed things up and taught me a lot!

At this point I'm having the biggest problem learning how to "read" the chart... I know what things symbolize and mean but somehow the story does not come so easy...


Does it mean anything if the quesited is on the cusp of a sign, or at 0 degrees?

Also, is it significant to consider when the querent is in a fast moving planet and the quesited is in a slow moving planet or vice versa, for example, if the querent's significator is Mercury and the quesited's significator is Neptune?

[Serendipity]

Thanks for the article, it really really summed things up and taught me a lot!

At this point I'm having the biggest problem learning how to "read" the chart... I know what things symbolize and mean but somehow the story does not come so easy...


Does it mean anything if the quesited is on the cusp of a sign, or at 0 degrees?

Also, is it significant to consider when the querent is in a fast moving planet and the quesited is in a slow moving planet or vice versa, for example, if the querent's significator is Mercury and the quesited's significator is Neptune?

Putting the whole chart into perspective and how to read the story comes with practice. Most people struggle with horary when they are first trying to learn it.
When a planet is at the end of a sign for a significator I usually interpret this to mean that there's going to be a change taking place for that person. If it's at 0, I look at it as if they've started some kind of new cycle. (that's my personal spin on it)
Neptune isn't used in traditional horary. Traditional planet for Pisces would be Jupiter.
As far as the faster moving planets, kind of depends on the question that's asked.