Help with transiting Pluto on my relationship aspects

[jackysplat]

I am new to this forum and posted my problem in the relationship section yesterday, so far with no results - I think this may be a better section to get some help and insight to my question below....

I would like some additional insight to the following situation - in my opinion it signifies something of great importance - but am not quite sure what it means...

My midheaven 2 cap
his venus 27 sag and my saturn 24 - transiting pluto is conjunct these.

In our composite chart: Sun, moon, mercury and north node are all between 26 & 28 sag - transiting pluto conjunct these

This has been a very strange relationship (mainly blocked and sad) any insight would be so welcome

Thank-you

[BobZemco]

Transits don't apply to composite charts.

Speaking in very general terms because I don't know in which house natal Venus is located or the house that Pluto rules natally, Pluto will intensify your part of a relationship when conjunct Venus.

Again in general terms because I don't know the house where natal Saturn is or the house it rules, Pluto conjunct Saturn can create tremendous stress. The nature of Pluto is to change, either by killing old ideas and beliefs or the current structure, or by transforming them. The basic nature of Saturn is to maintain the structured order, and to resist change.

For him, the structured order, the old belief system or values is determined by what house Saturn rules in the chart.

The best thing you can do is be supportive, communicate on his level when he is ready and willing to communicate, and give him space.

The worst thing you can do is push, snipe and nag. This will be a difficult period for both of you. To find out what's really the issue, you'll have to find the house that Saturn rules natally, then look at the house that holds Saturn. That part of the relationship where the intensity will be increased can be seen by the house(s) that Venus rules natally and where Venus is in your natal chart.

[jackysplat]

Thank you so much for the advice and reply - it has helped. Although it is my saturn at 24 sag, his venus at 27 and my midheaven at 2 Cap. Saturn rules my natal 10th house and is in my 9th house. If this helps you see anything else - that would be great.

Many thanks!

[BobZemco]

Thank you so much for the advice and reply - it has helped. Although it is my saturn at 24 sag, his venus at 27 and my midheaven at 2 Cap. Saturn rules my natal 10th house and is in my 9th house. If this helps you see anything else - that would be great.

Many thanks!
Your 9th House rules your ideology, philosophy, educational and religious views, as well as legal matters, publishing, travel in foreign countries, his parents, and half a dozen other things.

The 10th House is your Ego, your reputation, status and standing in your career field and your community, anyone superior to you, and one of your parents (the one opposite that of the 4th House).

I don't know you background, but maybe you have career concerns, want to change careers, want to go back to school, are questioning your philosophical beliefs, perhaps related to education or religion or your political convictions or whatever.

Anyway from that you should be able to pull a rabbit out of the hat and figure it out.

Pluto likes to reveal things to you that you don't often want to see. Maybe you're questioning the whole reason for your existence, or wrestling with how to handle a committed relationship, career and children or whatever issues are going on.

He might be coming on too strong, so he's the one that needs to show some understanding and back off a bit to give you some space (if that's what you need) and not nag and pressure you.

When Pluto starts transiting your 10th House, a lot of things now will start to make sense when you look back. Please don't settle. You won't be happy in the long run. Whatever it is that you want, set a path to get yourself there. When Pluto conjuncts your MC, which will be quite a while from now, you'll be questioning whether you're going in the right direction, so important to set yourself in that direction now.

If these issues involve him, you should discuss them, when you're ready to do that. Even if they don't involve him, when you get a handle on things and you're ready you should try to talk through it so he has at least some understanding of what you're going through (which might help explain why you're acting the way you are).

[jackysplat]

You are correct the whole situation is connected to my work/career. Thnak-you once again for your insight!

[BobZemco]

You are correct the whole situation is connected to my work/career. Thnak-you once again for your insight!

Not to be rude or anything, but my life would a lot easier if you would post your chart, plus other people can learn too, especially since a lot of people here frighten easily if you mention Pluto and Saturn in the same sentence.

The purpose of the this transit is to open your eyes and force you to see the truth so you make the right choices, and with Pluto/Saturn sometimes you have to let go of things or ideas or people who are holding you back. Sometimes that's sad and not at all fun, but you have to do it. You're growing and progressing, and your partner has to grow and progress with you, or they become baggage that you drag around for the rest of your life.

Some men have an ego problem with their wife as bread-winner, or with a career that eclipses theirs or is more satisfying, fullfilling and rewarding, other men don't have an ego to bruise and they are very supportive of their wive's career ambitions and will make personal sacrifices to see that their wive's are happy with respect to career/family.

As I said, when you are ready, and that might be next week, next month or next year, make sure you discuss your concerns with your partner.

There's also a lot of people here experienced in horary (I'm not one of them) so if you have a question related to career or other concerns, learn how to set up a chart with the proper timing and question and give it a go if you want.

[jackysplat]

Hi Bob, I would be happy to (I'd been a little hesitant to do so as I've read a lot of concern on this forum about taking advantage. But here is my natal chart.

To give you a better understanding of what is happening in my life - 2 months ago I spereated from the man I have been with for since 2000, my career is constantly increasing my "position" and I am gaining increased recognition in my field. The man I mentioned in the initial post is a colleague at arms length, we are not in a "relationship" as such but have told each other that we deeply care for one another - these feelings have been with me for the past 3 years - when I first had an intuitive "recognition" of him.

After reading for several hours (just now) on horary astrology I decided to plot one which I will post as well.

As to peoples fear of Pluto - yes I understand it - pretty chaotic things happened when it was conjunct my venus and then opposite my mars (all classic which unless asked I won't go into) However I must say that it made me a far stronger person and cured some of my "psychological" hang-ups!! Thus, I am quite excited about what it is going tobring this time round and happy to share any insight to other members.

Thanks again!

[BobZemco]

Well, your natal chart explains a lot. You have Earth on the 2nd and 10th, you need reward and recognition, but the Fire sign on the 6th means you need a career that is stimulating, especially with the Sun in the 7th. Pluto in Virgo will give you some leadership abilties and Saturn ruling your 10th and 11th you'll have well defined ideas and some organizational ability.

Soon, Uranus will square Saturn, your MC and then conjunct your Ascendant in short order. Uranus represents your egotistical side, sudden change, a rebellious nature or an urge for freedom. I treat Aquarius as ruled by both Saturn and Uranus (like Jupiter and Neptune rule Pisces), and your 12th House represents your subsconsious as well as your frustrations and limitations. Squares suggest conflicts, but they can also represent turning points in your life. That's even more so with Pluto sitting on Saturn while Uranus squares it. You're going to have some tough decisions to make.

You might want to post your horary chart over in the horary forum where more people can look at it. I'm terribly new at horary (with emphasis on "terribly"), but your chart looks like a "no" and I suspect your transits will bear that out.

[jackysplat]

Thank-you Bob, I have been looking at transiting uranus, it will be in exact contunction with my ASC in 2011 - at which degree do you think I would start feeling it's influence?

Jacky

[etoilestar]

Many many astrologers, including Robert Hand, believe that the transits to the composite chart have an effect...

For me personally I go with this as the transits to composites have played out pretty much as expected each time...

The way I work it is to look at the effect a transit would have in a natal chart (because you can find those translations easily) and then relate it to the relationship as an entity in itself..

Melanie

[BobZemco]

I have been looking at transiting uranus, it will be in exact contunction with my ASC in 2011 - at which degree do you think I would start feeling it's influence?

1° out. Now sometimes with the major outers conjuncting major outers I'll start looking about 1°30' out.

It's different for every person, but generally you might start feeling a little restless and then maybe a little agitated as you try to break free. I was a senior in high school at the time, so you can imagine how rebellious I was.

[skywatcher1221]

Many many astrologers, including Robert Hand, believe that the transits to the composite chart have an effect...

For me personally I go with this as the transits to composites have played out pretty much as expected each time...

The way I work it is to look at the effect a transit would have in a natal chart (because you can find those translations easily) and then relate it to the relationship as an entity in itself..

Melanie

I have to agree -- transits to composite charts work, remembering that the composite chart is based on midpoints and midpoint transits have an effect.

[jackysplat]

On another thread I have recently mentioned that I base most things on intuition. With regard to this relationship - would the stellium in the comopsite chart and/or the transits to it cause an incredable amount of intuition? With this person I can sense when they are thinking of me and many other thngs (even the though we hardly ever see each other) to a degree that I have not experienced before.

Jacky

[etoilestar]

Hi jackysplat


Is neptune transiting anywhere? are nodes involved anywhere?
transiting neptune to moon,merc or mars would enhance intuition as would transitingpluto to moon or mercury .
look more to the trines in these transits though...

HTH
Melanie

[astrologer50]

below is Robert Hands - Pluto conj MC. I've had this, my father passed away, i changed jobs, my marriage broke down and i've got Saturn conj MC like you.

PLUTO CONJUNCT MIDHEAVEN
This is an extremely important transit that will affect the entire course and direction of your life and what you will actually accomplish. It is also a rather long transit, whose effects will be manifested over a period of up to two years.

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[cassanra]

WEll I thought I was looking at my twin...almost:) I have the same AC/DC and MC/IC as you but Saturn is conjunct MC...you can also look at progressions and then your solar return for the year Pluto conjuncts MC which should be both next solar year and 2010/2011 and see what the general trends and patterns will be.It may give you a little bit more info (or confuse you even more:).

[astrologer50]

I have to agree -- transits to composite charts work, remembering that the composite chart is based on midpoints and midpoint transits have an effect.

I have to agree Transits to composite charts, especially angles, MC are sensitive points....:)