pregnancy next month?

[tikana]

okay people

last run on this

whoever remember the horary i run back in may on my friend getting a fertility treatment and seeng if she will get pregnant. Well, she is not pregnant.

so we decided to re-run the chart
Will I get pregnant in november?

the chart is not radical because planet of the hour is merc and asce is saturn

i looked into her natal chart ... neither any planets nor angles fall in her horary chart.
So i decided to use caution

the only thing we are talking radicality and if this is really what is chart saying to us, saturn ruler of her asce is in 8th house *fertility* so i am going ahead with interpretation

Saturn rules the querent
Venus rules pregnancy
sun rules 8th house
moon co-rules the querent and also the baby
Jupite rrules children


so

saturn is barren
triplicity and face - benefits
fall in venus

James Wilson says that
face means almost indifference
triplcity -lucky place
fall - pretty weak


Venus on other hand
does not receive saturn at all!
strong by triplciity and weak by detriment

moon - peregrine
receives venus - triplciity
weak on detriment

moon and venus are in 10th house - accidental dignity

moon conj venus - good!
venus will also sextile saturn - in 6 degrees
venus will sextile jupiter first

north node is heading into 1st house
jupiter is in 1st

moon avoided antiscia with neptune so did venus
i dont like this via combusta business on 2 key planets

part of daughters is on asce!
http://www.geocities.com/tikana4/pregnancy.gif

i am almost to say NO but moon/venus conj in 10th makes me think otherwise

thanks
Tik

[archergirl]

This is a difficult one. Ascendant ruler is barren. 5th cusp is 'indifferent', but 5th ruler and Moon are fertile.

Interesting about the 10th house stuff...eh? Lilly says, "Accidental dignities in this manner of judgement, gives hopes, but not real assurance." CA227

I think the best we can hope for is a 'yes, possibly', and leave it at that. Sometimes there won't be a clear answer. I'm also inclined to say 'yes'.

AG:)

[tikana]

Thanks AG
i would not call this indifferent because saturn does see venus by triplicity and face and fall debility
ohh 5th house yeah okay sorries.. i thought you said 1st house


this what i digged up from Ivy

if a woman is barren if the moon or ruler of 1st or 5th are in gemini virgo leo

((( asce ruler is saturn - barren )

if venus is combust the sun or afflicted by malefics - none i can think of

malefics in 5th .. - none

............

she is able to have children if ruler of 1st is in 5th
moon or ruler of 5th are in 1st and not afflicted
ruler of 1st and the beneficts are conjuct to the moon in 5th
benefits are in 1st, 11th, 3rd and 9th ---- jupiter is in 1st
water sign on the 5th, moon or ruler of the 1st are also in water sign or moon tralslates the light - moon is water sign

....................

here is strange part

she is pregnant if ruler of 1st of the moon is in 5th
applying by conjunction sextile or trine to the ruler of 5th
moon is in 7th house in good aspect ot its ruler in 11th or in 11th in good aspect ot the ruler of 7th in 7th house
or jupiter and venis are angular and unfflicted
or on the asce in taurus leo scorpio or aquarius
or in 5th or 11th in good aspect to the ruler of the 1st or 7th house

well ... jupiter and venus are angular - lol
she is not pregnant right now .. we know that ...

ohh forgot to mention

venus/asce are aspecting!

thanks
T

[LionKing]

I don't know how much there is to truth to this... but I think I've read in the past that if the couple ugh you know... when the moon is in the 5th H. Things might work. Now I feel strange... Sheesh. Ha! V/r LionKing:sunny:

[starlink]

Hi Tik, interesting chart this one!

As said above, she is Saturn, Venus is 5th house ruler.
Question is: will she be pregnant in November. November is only 1 month away so we must look at an ingoing sextile, trine or conjunction between the above two planets and preferably see a distance of 1° or so.

Now Venus is indeed applying to a sextile with Saturn but not in that time frame. However, Venus, ruler of the house of children is indeed going to sextile the Ascendant in 13 minutes. Venus is also accidentally dignified in the 10th, but unable to act well if you ask me because of her placement in Scorpio, in the term of Jupiter, face of Mars and in detriment.

Even so, 13 minutes will mean around 1 week from the time of the question that she could become pregnant. Also the Moon, her co-significator is reaching the conjunction with Venus in 32 minutes. Moon of course is also not happy in Scorpio, but is fertile. 32 min. would then be around 2 weeks. So lets say between one and two month. (Moon and Venus both in Via combusta and Moon is slow). This timeframe could point to getting pregnant somewhere in November or just before.

Now both are under the rulership of Mars and Mars again is under the pregnancy rulership of Venus and Mars is almost entering a new sign, his own sign. This to me looks therefore promising.
Also the Angles are both about to move into a "new beginning" sort of situation.

So what do we have now?
1. Moon reaches Venus in about 1°
2. Venus reaches Ascendant in about 1° (take or leave a few minutes)
3. Mars, ruler of these two will conjunct the MC in about 1° as well. This shows a definite change of status very soon.
4. Part of Fortune is ruled by Saturn, the querent and practically at the same degree as well.

So there are indications that she might get pregnant, even before November, but I also see other,(maybe) less fortunate things, like Saturn going to oppose Uranus in 4 somethings after having made an inconjunct to the North Node which shows that something with her is not quite balanced as it should be. I have a feeling that the sperm is not strong enough, it has no power to act (Venus, according to the Rulership book rules sperm, as well as Jupiter and the Sun and all are weak.) So maybe it is not her that cannot get pregnant but him who's having the real problem.

Conclusion, she might (sextile) get pregnant, but if she does, there could be sudden disruptions lateron.

Moon's aspects through her sign:
Semi-sextile to Sun (according to Appleby Moon is allowed all aspects)
Conjunction to Venus
Sextile to Asc.
Sextile to Jupiter
Sextile to Saturn
(could we consider then that Moon, after leaving conjunction with Venus translates her light to Saturn? or MUST you always go from the conjunction?)

After that the unofficial trine to Uranus but then the square to Neptune. After that the also unofficial semi sextile to Pluto in 12 and Mars, ruler of 11th and 4th, simultaneously. This I would just look at as extra's after we know what has happened comes November, in order to see if they have any influence on the whole thing or not.

What do you say?

Starlink

[tikana]

Hi Tik, interesting chart this one!

As said above, she is Saturn, Venus is 5th house ruler.
Question is: will she be pregnant in November. November is only 1 month away so we must look at an ingoing sextile, trine or conjunction between the above two planets and preferably see a distance of 1° or so.

**** i would look at 1-2 degree because end of november would be 2 ***

Now Venus is indeed applying to a sextile with Saturn but not in that time frame. However, Venus, ruler of the house of children is indeed going to sextile the Ascendant in 13 minutes. Venus is also accidentally dignified in the 10th, but unable to act well if you ask me because of her placement in Scorpio, in the term of Jupiter, face of Mars and in detriment.

**** venus / saturn 6-7 degrees - could be weeks.. which falls in mid november ****

Even so, 13 minutes will mean around 1 week from the time of the question that she could become pregnant. Also the Moon, her co-significator is reaching the conjunction with Venus in 32 minutes. Moon of course is also not happy in Scorpio, but is fertile. 32 min. would then be around 2 weeks. So lets say between one and two month. (Moon and Venus both in Via combusta and Moon is slow). This timeframe could point to getting pregnant somewhere in November or just before.

*** that is exactly where venus/saturn fall in ***

Now both are under the rulership of Mars and Mars again is under the pregnancy rulership of Venus and Mars is almost entering a new sign, his own sign. This to me looks therefore promising.


*** yepp **
Also the Angles are both about to move into a "new beginning" sort of situation.

** yepp .. i noticed that one **

So what do we have now?
1. Moon reaches Venus in about 1°
2. Venus reaches Ascendant in about 1° (take or leave a few minutes)
3. Mars, ruler of these two will conjunct the MC in about 1° as well. This shows a definite change of status very soon.
4. Part of Fortune is ruled by Saturn, the querent and practically at the same degree as well.

*** almost like 1st week of november into 3rd week **

So there are indications that she might get pregnant, even before November, but I also see other,(maybe) less fortunate things, like Saturn going to oppose Uranus in 4 somethings after having made an inconjunct to the North Node which shows that something with her is not quite balanced as it should be. I have a feeling that the sperm is not strong enough, it has no power to act (Venus, according to the Rulership book rules sperm, as well as Jupiter and the Sun and all are weak.) So maybe it is not her that cannot get pregnant but him who's having the real problem.

*** well the dude smokes .. that decreases sperm count and he is stressed at work **

Conclusion, she might (sextile) get pregnant, but if she does, there could be sudden disruptions lateron.

** yeapp also backed by jupiter ruling 12th house **

Moon's aspects through her sign:
Semi-sextile to Sun (according to Appleby Moon is allowed all aspects)
Conjunction to Venus
Sextile to Asc.
Sextile to Jupiter
Sextile to Saturn
(could we consider then that Moon, after leaving conjunction with Venus translates her light to Saturn? or MUST you always go from the conjunction?)

*** i am thinking that she will need a medical attention notice 1oth house is in critical degre but sustains the pressrue .. 10th house for health of the fetus &&&

After that the unofficial trine to Uranus but then the square to Neptune. After that the also unofficial semi sextile to Pluto in 12 and Mars, ruler of 11th and 4th, simultaneously. This I would just look at as extra's after we know what has happened comes November, in order to see if they have any influence on the whole thing or not.

*** sure.. ***

What do you say?

Starlink

ThHANKS! we are all arriving to the same conclusion

great job everyone!


you girls dont see abortion or loss of a baby during a pregnancy?

Tik

[tikana]

Hi girls

i found more stuff

"Timing
page 138
"measure the time by application of the ruler of 1st or the moon to the lord of 5th, jupiter or venus, according to the nature of the sin applying planet is in as before ""


Ruler of 1st - Saturn/venus - just under 6
Moon/Venus - under 1

saturn/jupiter - under 2
moon/jupiter - just above 4


so basically from 4 to 6 weeks so 99.9% according to this chart, pregnancy will happen in november

another interesitg thing

jupiter will trine saturn on Nov 20 2008 which will be 8th week!

stay tuned for the outcome

Tik

[cassanra]

Good thread....and thanks Lionking for your 2 cents however chagrined given:) You were brave venturing into that one:38:

[tikana]

Lionking

they have been trying to do moon in 5th and everywhere else for almost 1 year.. nothing.
iam not sure if this is just speculation or something solid

Tik

[starlink]

you girls dont see abortion or loss of a baby during a pregnancy?


I suppose that is just what I meant with this:

Conclusion, she might (sextile) get pregnant, but if she does, there could be sudden disruptions lateron.




Tik wrote:
so basically from 4 to 6 weeks so 99.9% according to this chart, pregnancy will happen in november

Which supports what I wrote:

(Moon and Venus both in Via combusta and Moon is slow). This timeframe could point to getting pregnant somewhere in November or just before.



Starlink

[tikana]

Starlink

dunno.. they will let me know when she gets prgnant .. they are keeping taps on this .. and maybe use event chart?

that 29 deg cusp is alarming

thankx


Tik

[tikana]

okay

my worries were NOT unjustified.. the fertility treatment HAD failed!

querent is not pregnant. for now, she is stalling all the attempts!

cheers
T