Check accuracy of your birth time using solar arcs?

[plutopassing]

Came across this vid and it seems very interesting. I can verify that I think it works on my chart, and I am beginning to think my time is out by 1 or 2 mins but still testing it. Tried it on 2 friends and had some very interesting results, even naming times when major events occurred early in life which they had never told me about!

It would be interesting if anyone here would like to check the system on your own chart and let us know if you think it works. Its very easy and you can do it by just counting degrees on the natal chart.

There are 3 lessons, this is the first, the other two are on the page.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KW0G2S2Ti4I

[BobZemco]

Came across this vid and it seems very interesting. I can verify that I think it works on my chart, and I am beginning to think my time is out by 1 or 2 mins but still testing it.

Before you do that, check your Sun speed.

Your Sun can move as slow as 97' per year or as fast as 1°01' per year.

It depends on whether you were born in the Summer/Fall or Winter/Spring, plus your latitude will affect it. People farther north will have a little faster Sun than those closer to the Equator.

Obvously if you have a slow Sun that's off 3' per year in 20 years that'll amount to 1° of arc.

[plutopassing]

Yes I agree, just been talking about this on another thread. According to Noel Tyl in his book Solar Arcs, he says that if you are born between May to September then you need to add one degree every 30 years.

[cassanra]

Hey that was great! thanks for turning me on to that...I now wonder about my own birth time as Pluto should be about to hit my MC. Thanks a bunch!!!

[plutopassing]

The way I have confirmed it works is by casting solar arc charts for times that I know an event happened, like major relocation move, and seen if the solar arcs were active. 95% of the time they were! which amazed me. For instance, Uranus to your ascendant is noted as being a major geographical relocation and on the day it was exact I moved 250 miles away, at the time knew nothing about solar arcs, so believe me I didn't plan it that way! I have lots more examples.

You can only use conjunctions, square, semi-squares, oppositions apects, as those usually cause the event action to happen.

Cassandra, pluto to your MC, don't forget to add the extra degrees because of age and your birth being between May and Sept. 1 degree per 30 years. Also, keep the solar arcs tight, like one degree orb. Then look at the "secondary progressed" moon to narrow down the timing of the event, like if the prog moon passes over an angle of the natal chart whilst that solar arc is in effect, that is the most likely time for the event or changes to take place.

Please let me know if you find anything interesting in your past events!

[BobZemco]

You can only use conjunctions, square, semi-squares, oppositions apects, as those usually cause the event action to happen.

I thought he also used the sesqui-quadrate (135°).

Cassandra, pluto to your MC, don't forget to add the extra degrees because of age and your birth being between May and Sept. 1 degree per 30 years. Also, keep the solar arcs tight, like one degree orb. Then look at the "secondary progressed" moon to narrow down the timing of the event, like if the prog moon passes over an angle of the natal chart whilst that solar arc is in effect, that is the most likely time for the event or changes to take place.

The other thing you need to do is check the help section of the software you're using for explanations as to how they calculate it, because all of them do it slightly different.

Some do it day by day, others average it.

I meant 57' not 97' (at 1°37' that'd be a really fast Sun). If you're doing it by hand, you can use an ephemeris and set up a nice little spread sheet to get the motion and calculate the new positions for you.

[plutopassing]

Oh yes forgot the sesqui !

Love the spreadsheet idea, sounds complicated though!

[cassanra]

well I have been playing a bit with it since I read your thread here and watched the video. My birth certificate says 1:21 am June 14th 1959 but my sister was born 2 and a half years later. I consider that a major event. When I started playing with it a bit if I subtracted 46 minutes from my birth time the solar arc sun is dead on the IC and I was married in 1992 and that puts the solar arc jupiter dead on the MC but after that it seems like it gets kind of confusing. I separated from my husband in 1996 which puts the solar arc Uranus almost crossing the descendant lacking a few degrees. By that time I was 30ish. I played with it awhile till I got frustrated as it moved my birth time around by 6 minutes. At 12:45 as I first calculated it I was a Picses rising instead of an aries which is confusing to me as I have the classic scar I earned in childhool between my eyes. so I may need to do some more research till I am more confident. I am not sure how to add in the 1 and a half degrees to the sun thing. I just started using astrowin so I will work with it some more. There are a couple of other major events:) I can add in there I suspect that can me a better picture.

[cassanra]

Gosh, if I use the 12:45 time my progressed ascendent is now at 29 degrees Taurus and the progressed sun is on the cusp by one degree of changing houses. Gosh...my mom said she did have to wake the doctor...could he have been that bleary eyed:)

[cassanra]

Will the moon always be a timer?. I noticed that when my daughter was born using the new birth time that the progressed moon was indeed crossing the midheaven (somewhat shy of) but when my son was born 2 and half years earlier the moon was not crossing but was exactly trine mercury. It would be good if you could give me some of your own findings. I think that was helpful. I think I am going to have to buy the book:)

[Andonis]

Of course there are other rectification methods one which have been discussed in this forum is using 'Multiple keys'. (Successions SPICASC, NUMEHA and SERIUMC) in symbolic directions......accurate so one can relocate their Lunar returns.

If we know the birth time of a client within an error of 4 minutes, then the error arrived at the planet-cusp directions are an average of one year, and therefore the information from it is of little use. To consider a radix rectified, the error in time should be at the most 3 seconds.
Of course, to predict past events is the first stage of rectification and it is not enough. We must also test it thoroughly with events after the rectification, with accuracy of +- 2 days. Only then we can say that rectification has been carried out properly.

[freedomlover]

I'd always assumed my birth time was correct, but after watching the video Plutopassing put up, I started to wonder. I've been doing some elementary attempts at rectification. It seemed pretty accurate, until I read the following and applied it:
For instance, Uranus to your ascendant is noted as being a major geographical relocation and on the day it was exact I moved 250 miles away, at the time knew nothing about solar arcs, so believe me I didn't plan it that way!

Does anyone have any thoughts on what Uranus solar arcing to MC could mean?

Thanks!

FL

(Great thread, Plutopassing!)

[BobZemco]

Does anyone have any thoughts on what Uranus solar arcing to MC could mean?
What are the archetypes for Uranus?

Suddeness, change, sudden-change, violence, accident, awakening, aircraft.

What are the archetypes for MC?

Ego, profession, career, authority.

Maybe you have a sudden awakening that you're in the wrong profession or on the wrong career path.

Maybe you change jobs, suddenly, or you're terminated.

[freedomlover]

BobZemco wrote:


What are the archetypes for Uranus?

Suddeness, change, sudden-change, violence, accident, awakening, aircraft.

What are the archetypes for MC?

Ego, profession, career, authority.

Maybe you have a sudden awakening that you're in the wrong profession or on the wrong career path.


Maybe you change jobs, suddenly, or you're terminated.

Thank you so much for your reply. That does make it easier to interpret, when you put it like that. I love the "KISS" method.

Is a Uranus arc to the MC not a major thing? I would have assumed it was.
Are there any other definitions to the MC that are not usually considered, or may be obscure, that may fit this?


FL

[BobZemco]

Is a Uranus arc to the MC not a major thing? I would have assumed it was. Are there any other definitions to the MC that are not usually considered, or may be obscure, that may fit this?

Quoting Ebertin: Sudden turn of destiny, big upsets, change of occupation, sudden rearrangement of one's life.

Those are the probable manifestations.

[cassanra]

I am still working on this myself. They were discussing the degree change as you grow older. Would that fit. I guess those born between March and Sept. the sun slows up to a degree by 30. I fit that but can not do the math:) I think what I have been working on is from dates I know something happened and I suspect each charts energies will manifest slightly different. I can see in mine that the solar arc uranus was coming to my desc when I divorced but that was by age 36 or something so that might be the degree factor.

[freedomlover]

Cassanra,

You wrote:

I am still working on this myself. They were discussing the degree change as you grow older. Would that fit. I guess those born between March and Sept. the sun slows up to a degree by 30.
No, I don't think so. My birthday is in late November.

[freedomlover]

Pluto is also in hot pursuit - at 1 degree behind Uranus - due to my natal Ur/PL conjunction in Virgo.

Uranus would have hit about age 36 - and Pluto the following year.

Uranus hitting the MC does coincide with me losing my home. (Why MC, and not IC?) The long, draining illness really set in hard that year, as well. I still don't have an explanation for the Pluto the following year.)

FL

[cassanra]

I think Uranus opposite the IC does fit...I am taking a relook at miine....again:) Using my orginal birth info I see that Pluto solar arc hits a squure to my IC/MC the year that my son was born and the year after I moved. and then Pluto solar arc conjoins my DC/AC two year later the year my daughter was born and shortly therafter separated from my husband. The rest of stuff does not make sense. My natal sun is 22 degrees in my natal third house and the ICMC is at 3 degrees so between 11 years of age something happened? something to my father? and I can not remember a thing so gosh....here I go back again whew...I think I will figure it out but it is kind of interesting....and scary as now I really look at it if my birth time is valid solar arc Uranus will square by MC/IC then just a few years after that will conjoin my DC. Interestingly enough that is when supposedly (I say now) transiting Pluto will conjoin my MC/IC axis at 3 degrees Cap and Uranus will be transiting my natal AC. Lord I can't wait:( I hope I have all this figured out so I can be prepared. Isn't that how astrology can help us?

[woolgatherer]

This is really interesting, but a bit confusing.

My birth time seems to be pretty accurate, with Mars and Mercury arcing to the IC around age 10 or 11 when my parents were separating. But then Neptune arcs to my MC a year later, and I'm not sure what that could represent. Something might have been changing with my mom's job, but I thought that happened closer to the separation time. She may have moved her new business into a larger building, but that doesn't really seem like enough. It was also the start of grade 7 which was at times a bad year for me socially, and maybe the start of a string of bad years.... but again there wasn't really one huge event. Then when I was 20 the Sun was arcing to my IC... that was when I moved out of my mom's house and to another country.

I'm looking at my friend's chart and his birth time seems to be off by a few degrees, but I'm not sure in which direction. He had a lot going on in his early life, and it's hard for me to tell which arcs would signify which events. Solar arc Sun conjuncting the MC doesn't sound like the death of a father, does it? Maybe it was his parents separating, and then Saturn conjunct the IC a year later was the death of his father? Three years later solar arc Pluto would be on the IC, which is about a year after his mother remarried... ugh.

[cassanra]

that actually sounds about right....pluto solar arc conjunct DC was sort of a mixed bag for me...and that makes sense...

[plutopassing]

Hey! I’m so glad to see so much interest! Sorry haven’t been around for a couple of days.

I also found some times when the planet to angle seemed to correspond with my given birth time of 8.45 pm and then there are others which are exact if my birth time is rectified to 8.48 pm. I am trying the 8.48 pm time with other methods, i.e. progressions, transits, etc. and it seems to work a lot of the time.

What we have to remember is that not every solar arc will have an effect, although usually the outer planet ones to angles are definitely effective. The arcs which seem to work are when there is some corresponding major transit or progression also going on at the same time which can be related to the same type of event, or sometimes there are 2 or 3 arcs going on at the same time.

One example is when my father died. With my birth time rectified to 8.48 pm Saturn is exactly on my MC at 29.54 pisces. Jupiter is conjunct the north node at 23.10 gemini (natal node is at 23.25 gemini). Ascendant is opposing Saturn at 28.01 leo (natal Saturn at 28.23 aquarius). So those are three quite major solar arcs there.

The secondary progressions at the same time were progressed ascendant 17.23 leo square natal Neptune 17.31 scorpio. Progressed venus (co-ruler of my 4th) at 18.29 scorpio conjunct progressed Neptune at 18.39. Progressed MC at 01.24 taurus trine Mars at 01.27 virgo. Progressed moon 5 degrees from conjunction with natal Saturn and less than 1 degree from trine natal north node. I don't know why they so many trines and sextiles but perhaps it is because he had been ill for a long time.

Transits were transiting Uranus 29.51 Cap sextile MC at 29.57! Transiting sun at 15.51 capricorn trine Pluto at 15.54! Mars and Neptune conjunct the descendant, out by a couple of degrees each way and at that moment, transiting moon at 27.06 cancer conjunct my ascendant at 26.30!

So, I think that is a classic example of how all three charts tied in together.

Another quick example of a solar arc, won’t go into the progressions / transits here but when I moved 250 miles from my birth area Uranus was at 25.54 Libra squaring my ascendant at 26.30 and Saturn was at 10.13 aries directly opposite my venus (in 4th house) at 10.14 libra!!!

Ok going to post this now and go on to try and answer some of your questions if I can...

[plutopassing]

Woolgatherer

This is really interesting, but a bit confusing.

My birth time seems to be pretty accurate, with Mars and Mercury arcing to the IC around age 10 or 11 when my parents were separating. But then Neptune arcs to my MC a year later, and I'm not sure what that could represent. Something might have been changing with my mom's job, but I thought that happened closer to the separation time.

I think all those solar arcs of Mars, Mercuy and then Neptune could have related to your parents as Mars, Mercury could possibly signify arguments, discord, separation etc., to do with the parents (as they are relatively minor planets) and then Neptune to the MC could have been a completely different way of life for you within a year of that or perhaps that is when your parents got divorced (if they did) or your mother or father met a new partner as neptune also represents love. Also, neptune to the MC is a time of complete kind of wipeout (as the Lauren Delsack explains in the video regarding neptune conjuncting her client's MC), so it could have been one of your parents who was having a very bad time or that you were emotionally drained / wiped out during that year.

Got to go but will definitely be back later.....

[plutopassing]

Cassandra, if you have the classic scar on your forehead, as I can vouch both my sister and daughter have it and one is aries ascendant the other aries sun, so I would try and play around with your time but still make sure you keep the aries ascendant.

The adding of one degree after 30 years is to the planet or angle that is being arced to. So if you had sun at 0.00 aries and MC and 0.00 taurus, the sun would arc to conjunct the MC at age 30. But if you were born between march and sept, then sun would actually reach the MC at age 31 and not 30 as it has been moving slightly slower than 1 degree per year (slow) which accumulates to one degree in 30 years. Add a year to the year that you think the solar arc is exact if you are age 30 and 2 years if you are 60. So if I had a solar arc which would be exact at age 30 but I was born in July, then I add one year to it and it should happen in the year I’m 31. Then I use the progressions and transits during the year I’m 31 to narrow down the time frame.
I’m not sure how well this works, as I was born in November.

I have to admit, it is very confusing to get all this information joined together but I think if you work on it step by step, then it can really produce results. The best thing to do is print out a double ringed chart with your natal and solar arcs and then draw in the progressions around the outside of the chart and the (major) transits in another colour then you get a better picture of what’s going on. You can then highlight or write down which solar arcs are near or just past exact, when the progressed moon is going to make a relevant aspect to one of the planets involved or conjunct an angle and note the dates of major transits during that time that the solar arcs are within 1 degree of exact.

I tried to use this method last week and was amazed to find that this week I had some major aspects exacting. It involved moon square jupiter, jupiter opposition moon in the solar arcs but they are 6 months from exact. Progressed moon to nodes, and transiting neptune exactly square jupiter. I didn't really know what to expect, but its definitely been a week to remember so far and I've had some very good news regarding travel abroad (jupiter?) and some very bad news about an old friend (moon?), all in one day. The progressed moon was exact on Sunday and this has happened on Tuesday when neptune is squaring jupiter at 21.45 and natal jupiter is as 21.40!

[cassanra]

Your print got smaller and smaller. I felt like Alice in Wonderland:) thank you so much for your detailed information. This has been one of those weeks too so we shall see!

[plutopassing]

Uranus hitting the MC does coincide with me losing my home. (Why MC, and not IC?)

Freedomlover, I will try and find out about this, as | was also interested that Uranus contacted my ascendant when I moved and not the IC.

[plutopassing]

yeah weird about the print - I think its because I copy and pasted it in as I wrote a bit and had to go for a while so saved it in Word.

I noticed some questions about what effect particular planets would have and I think that if it seems unsure as to what a planet would mean, then try looking at the house that it rules in the natal chart. So if jupiter rules the 5th house in your chart and it comes to any angle, apart from the obvious meanings for jupiter, if they don't apply, then it could mean the birth of a child as it rules the 5th house in the natal chart.

Also, planets to the angles are the easiest and mostly significant aspects to find first but you can also look for planets to other planets in the natal by any of the square family aspects (i.e. conjunction, square, opposition, etc). As in, sun to a conjunction or square type aspect to venus could be an important love relationship, marriage, etc.

[freedomlover]

Plutopassing,

You wrote:

Quote:
Originally Posted by freedomlover
Uranus hitting the MC does coincide with me losing my home. (Why MC, and not IC?)


Freedomlover, I will try and find out about this, as | was also interested that Uranus contacted my ascendant when I moved and not the IC.
Thanks, Plutopassing. I think someone mentioned somewhere along the way that it could be the solar arc Pluto opposing my IC. Does solar arc work this way?


I noticed some questions about what effect particular planets would have and I think that if it seems unsure as to what a planet would mean, then try looking at the house that it rules in the natal chart. So if jupiter rules the 5th house in your chart and it comes to any angle, apart from the obvious meanings for jupiter, if they don't apply, then it could mean the birth of a child as it rules the 5th house in the natal chart.

So, in the instance of my solar arc MercuryRx (Sag/12th) reaching my ASC - Mercury natally rules my 6th and 9th houses (Gemini and Virgo, respectively)- so how would one take an educated guess as to what may have taken place in one's life at that time?

FL

[plutopassing]

Hi freedom. Yes, I don't know why it works like that, but in the book I'm reading he seems to relate the opposition aspects a lot, I think maybe it can affect either angle its aspecting or both. As in the video she says that the planet conjuncting the MC in childhood could affect either parent (so that would mean because it is aspecting the MC and IC which are the parental angles). Later in life it can affect job, public status (as in marriage) or home. I think this is where progressions / transits might help to narrow down the possible events, as if you have a major transit to the ruling planet of your 10th at the same time, you could then relate it more to job changes, or you had progressed moon conjuncting ruler of your 4th then you could relate it to home changes. I think the solar arcs act like a background theme of possibilities and the progressions / transits determine how it will manifest.

Regarding the mercuryrx ruling the 6th and 9th, 6th could be health, 9th is usually education or travel. Reaching the Ascendant, physical body, seems to give more weight to a health connection. If not, going travelling maybe or some form of studying or religion.

[freedomlover]

Hi freedom. Yes, I don't know why it works like that, but in the book I'm reading he seems to relate the opposition aspects a lot, I think maybe it can affect either angle its aspecting or both. As in the video she says that the planet conjuncting the MC in childhood could affect either parent (so that would mean because it is aspecting the MC and IC which are the parental angles). Later in life it can affect job, public status (as in marriage) or home. I think this is where progressions / transits might help to narrow down the possible events, as if you have a major transit to the ruling planet of your 10th at the same time, you could then relate it more to job changes, or you had progressed moon conjuncting ruler of your 4th then you could relate it to home changes. I think the solar arcs act like a background theme of possibilities and the progressions / transits determine how it will manifest.

Regarding the mercuryrx ruling the 6th and 9th, 6th could be health, 9th is usually education or travel. Reaching the Ascendant, physical body, seems to give more weight to a health connection. If not, going travelling maybe or some form of studying or religion.
Thanks for the good info, Plutopassing!

Well, what happened at age 17 was that I got married and had my first child. ( I guess it affects the DSC, as well, eh). I don't see how that is 6th house and 9th house, unless it has to do with what happened during the year I was married. He turned out to be a "Jekyll and Hyde" type psychopath who delighted in torturing me mentally. I really think alot of my current problems stem from that experience, despite years of therapy. It triggered some past life stuff that I'm still filtering through. (Mercury Rx is in my 12th natally.). So, I guess that would be the significance, as I see it? Any comments?

FL

[plutopassing]

Well, what happened at age 17 was that I got married and had my first child.

YES! I want to kick myself when I miss the obvious... Mercury rules children too, coming to your ascendant (giving birth!). I noticed Mercury quite active in my chart when I've had my children. Solar Arc mercury was conjunct my moon by 1 degree in the 6th house when I had my son.

[freedomlover]

Originally Posted by freedomlover
Well, what happened at age 17 was that I got married and had my first child.

YES! I want to kick myself when I miss the obvious... Mercury rules children too, coming to your ascendant (giving birth!). I noticed Mercury quite active in my chart when I've had my children. Solar Arc mercury was conjunct my moon by 1 degree in the 6th house when I had my son.

Ah, Mercury - children, yes! it slipped my mind entirely, as well. But I have a question still - how is that 12th house related (Mercury in 12th) and 6th and 9th house related (Mercury rules 6th and 9th). Also, it just hits me, is there any significance to houses 3,6,and 9 ALL being affected by this?

FL

[plutopassing]

Probably because merc is retrograde its trying to confuse us! Significance to houses 6 and 9 because merc rules those in your chart, 12th because its in that house natally but I would think the aspects TO mercury would be more 12th house issues, possibly 3rd as it is the natural ruler of the 3rd so could bring 3rd house issues to whatever it is aspecting, but I would take that very weakly as my last choice if I found nothing relating to the other houses and don't take my word for any of this as I said I'm still learning!

[plutopassing]

Forgot to say also how merc in the 12th relates to your 6th and 9th, I think as it is retrograde and in the 12th (house of self-undoing). Could be a rebellion with education? Relating it to the 6th, as you mentioned before about being tortured mentally by your ex and also having therapy, that would make sense as its something that affects your health. I know, as I also had a jekyll and hyde of my own. Mercury being in the 12th would be very sensitive I think, as its the natural house of pisces.

[freedomlover]

Thanks for all the detail, Plutopassing. I appreciate you taking the time to answer that for me. What you said makes sense. It's especially interesting that you said this:Could be a rebellion with education?
I HATED public school (square peg in a round hole type of thing for me). I never learned anything in school that I actually used after I learned to write and do some math. I was reading at age 2 and learned everything I really wanted to learn by personal study outside of school. When I got married, I desperately wanted to drop out, but my father-in-law convinced me to stay and finish. To this day, I wish I had dropped out - it was a total waste of time, except maybe for band. Don't get me wrong - I'm not against education at all. I'm just against education that does nothing to develop the person's personal talents and help them to fulfill what they came here to do - it's like mind-control, and I HATE it!

Ok, I'm done ranting now....:o

But, I'm curious... how did you figure "rebellion" in it astrologically? I see the education connection, but not the rebellion.....

[plutopassing]

But, I'm curious... how did you figure "rebellion" in it astrologically? I see the education connection, but not the rebellion.....

I figured rebellion because Mercury is retrograde and in the 12th, which is (in traditional astrology) the house of self-undoing. Being retrograde as well it is bound to act up as it is a debility to the planet and debilitated planets tend to bring out their worse side, so I put all that together and decided it sounded like Mercury is not happy with education (retrograde) and in that house will not comply as it tends to cause its own downfall, which in this instance would be as you said that you wanted to drop out. I suppose retrograde would be more introspective and that's probably why you preferred personal study. Sorry, not being rude, as I hate the school system of education too and left a year early and have taught myself what I wanted to know.

TORA - I'm glad I put the vid up, its good to hear whether it really works for others.

[woolgatherer]

Thanks for your insight Plutopassing! Neptune signifying a complete change in mine and my family's way of life makes sense. My mom started up her own business around that time, so there was a lot going on. And yes I think there was some arguing going on, so that makes sense for Mars and Mercury too.

[BobZemco]

I'm looking at my friend's chart and his birth time seems to be off by a few degrees, but I'm not sure in which direction.

My Solar Arc is 44°17' and is off by 2 years.

Someone might say my birth time if off, but no it's just that my Sun is really slow. If you want free-ware that can calculate your progressions and solar arcs, there's ProgTran. You have to calculate your Sun carefully to get the correct arc.

[BobZemco]

One example is when my father died. With my birth time rectified to 8.48 pm Saturn is exactly on my MC at 29.54 pisces.

Separation.

I don't know why they so many trines and sextiles but perhaps it is because he had been ill for a long time.

The significance is "release."

You see it often in separation/divorce from really bad relationships, illnesses, over-coming addictions, over-coming fears and other struggles, and death.

[cassanra]

Bob, the program progtran....it does not seem to make the modification of the slowing down of the sun....is this what you have found?

[gesso]

I want to try doing this...maybe i can use the birth of my daughter.
I have a feeling my time is off...my mom doesnt know exactly. They brought her in for te c section at 930, and they said at the time it takes about half hour, and yet a baby plate she had made says 10:30am. I currently have it set for 10:24, but i dont think its right.

How does relocation affect this? Should i be rectifying the natal birthtown chart?

The only major tranit i noticed when i had my daughter, was saturn enetering my 7th..but that was off too by a bit..which was one of my early clues that maybe my axis was off....

hmm..maybe i am not aqua ac as i thought :( Which seems so weird, becaseu it has seemed like it fits me perfect. Maybe i am in those last few degrees cap somewhere

Here is a chart for my solar arcs on the day my daughter was born...does anyone see anything i dont? Should that moon maybe be right on the DC?

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn216/_streetspirit_/janetsolararcs2006copy.jpg

[freedomlover]

Plutopassing wrote:


I figured rebellion because Mercury is retrograde and in the 12th, which is (in traditional astrology) the house of self-undoing. Being retrograde as well it is bound to act up as it is a debility to the planet and debilitated planets tend to bring out their worse side, so I put all that together and decided it sounded like Mercury is not happy with education (retrograde) and in that house will not comply as it tends to cause its own downfall, which in this instance would be as you said that you wanted to drop out. I suppose retrograde would be more introspective and that's probably why you preferred personal study. Sorry, not being rude, as I hate the school system of education too and left a year early and have taught myself what I wanted to know.

Ah! Now I see! I had always figured rebellion to be an 11th house, rebellion sort of thing. But when you re-label it "self-undoing", it makes perfect sense. 12th house/Pisces does rule procrastination and passive control type of behaviors. I still think that was a most brilliant deduction on your part to see that so accurately in my chart.

FL

[gesso]

I wanted to try my new learnt skill :D but the chart you've posted looks confusing. Was your daughter born on 2nd Jan 1980, possibly around 10.24am? Or are you trying to rectify your own birth time? If so, what is your dob & location? It just that I was looking at your profile picture and I'm not certain if that's you or your daughter. From the picture, this person possibly looks like an air sign rising [high forehead (air sign thing - uranus), gadget (uranus), music (venus), light (sun) with wooden stand (earth sign) placed behind (12th) the person] to me. So you may not be far off.

Information that may help rectify the chart are major events such as :-
- Wedding or divorce
- Major relocation
- Accident
- Status change e.g. employment
- Leaving home
- Death in the family
- Any other major life events etc

How old were you when you had your daughter?
Did you meet your partner when you were 21?

Tora

hi tora...sorry if it was confusing...its my birth chart in the middle with the solar arc planets in the outer ring, the outer ring is set for the date i had my daughter :) Thanks for taking a look; i hate that i dont know my actual birthtime :(
My dob: Jan 2, 1980 somewhere between 9:45-10:30am(MOST LIKELY between 10:00- 10:30am), high prairie alberta, canada
my daughter was born march 12, 2006, 2:32pm, grande prairie alberta
canada

You're right, i was trying to rectify :p
Someone told me once that i had a piscean look..and that to try the pisces dwad of aqua..so thats where i got 10:24am that i currently use...but i am not sure if it is right...)

If mercury is my 5th house ruler, then maybe when my solar arc merc touches my natal AC was when she was born? But then that would make me late degree cap rising
It's not posted there, but i notice also that saturn entered my 7th around the time i had my daughter as well

Your question about when i met my partner..i dont think i can use that becasue we have known eachother for years before we got married
Maybe i can use my wedding date htough..... We got married Oct 12, 2002 (2:30pmish) in grande prairie AB

[gesso]

It just that I was looking at your profile picture and I'm not certain if that's you or your daughter. From the picture, this person possibly looks like an air sign rising [high forehead (air sign thing - uranus), gadget (uranus), music (venus), light (sun) with wooden stand (earth sign) placed behind (12th) the person] to me. So you may not be far off.

BTW...good analysis :eek: wow.. lol
I do 'feel' fairly aquarian in my personailty, but i wonder if that can happen close to the cusp too...?

[cassanra]

I am sorry if I am blind but I am having trouble with this chart finding the Axis. It looks like your DC axis might be conjuncted by the solar arc moon at 17 years of age, your solar arc sun would conjunct your AC at 22 years of age. You are looking for possibly an arc of 26 for your age when your daughter was born. If uranus or pluto are close to the 26 degrees your birth time is with in that range. That is how I interpreted the youtube tape

[Moulin]

I find this thread so interesting - thank you :)

I have myself down as a 4' Aries rising... but several people told me that i'm a capricorn rising lol

Now... with Aries, and looking solely at my 2 marriages, the date my parents separated and the births of my kids something really interesting happens when l follow this easy youtube link posted by you!

I am using the neptune/pluto conjunct/opposing AC/MC rule and....

with Aries rising

date parents separated - T pluto was conjunct my DC, T NNode was conjunct my MC, T saturn was conjunct my IC, uranus was exact opposing my moon/venus!
date of 1st marriage - NOTHING anywhere near!
date of 2nd marriage - NOTHING anywhere near!
date of 1st child birth - T NNode was in my 5th H but no angle conjuncts.
date of 2nd child birth - T NNode was conjunct my IC
date of 3rd child birth - T sun was conjunct my MC
date i left my 2nd marriage - NOTHING!


but with capricorn rising

date parents separated - T NNode was conjunct my AC, T mercury was conjunct my IC
date of 1st marriage - T jupiter was conjunct my MC
date of 2nd marriage - T mars was conjunct my MC, T saturn was conjunct my IC
date of 1st child birth - T saturn was conjunct my IC
date of 2nd child birth - T NNode was conjunct my DC,
date of 3rd child birth - T mars was conjunct my IC, T jupiter was conjunct my MC
date l left my 2nd marriage - T neptune was square my MC/IC

is that cool or is that cool!!!! :D

[gesso]

I am sorry if I am blind but I am having trouble with this chart finding the Axis. It looks like your DC axis might be conjuncted by the solar arc moon at 17 years of age, your solar arc sun would conjunct your AC at 22 years of age. You are looking for possibly an arc of 26 for your age when your daughter was born. If uranus or pluto are close to the 26 degrees your birth time is with in that range. That is how I interpreted the youtube tape

yah you're right..i need to fix my custom charts settings to show the axis better.....i uploaded a revised one in place of the other :p
For some reason..youtube is glitching on my computer right now and i havent had a chance to check out more than 30 seconds of the video :(

[gesso]

Based on what you have told me, your rising sign will have to be either Capi or Aqua (birth time between 9.45am to 10.30am). I worked on the basis that you had your daughter when you were 26 years old two months and 10 days. I provisionally *guessed* your birth time at 10.09am and looked at transits.

I have attached two images, one for the conception transit chart and the other one for the baby's birthday.

According to this calendar (http://www.askbaby.com/due-date-calendar.htm?due_date=02-03-2006), you could have conceived your baby week starting on 3rd June 05. Tr Mercury is in its own sign (Gemini/strong) and the Sun is conjunct in the 4th H of family about to enter the 5th H of child. Venus is already partying in the 5th H, yeay! Love is in the air, lots a fun ;) Saturn is exactly 2 degree away from DC, ok one minute out!

Now let's look at the day when your daughter was born.
Tr Venus (sweetie) is right on your AC and entered into your life.
Tr Mercury is exact sextile to your AC (ok, six minutes out).
Tr Mars which is 2 degrees past your IC/4th H (end of matter) squaring Tr Sun/Uranus conjunction indicating your C-section?

Some of the exact placement of planets must mean something significant, however at the moment, I am thinking, I am just reading what I want to see... So it would be good if you could provide further info so that my assumption can be verified further. Can you think of something major happening to you or your family, father when you were 15?

Tora
Hey tora..:)
I just noticed the second chart, the one that is my natl chart with transits for the day my daughter was born, is the wrong day. It says march 2, but she was born on march 12
(And she wasnt born by c-section...i had to do her the hard way LOL)
I came out via c-section when my mom went into labour,...sorry for the miscommunication)
I need to think about when i was 15....i have kind of a bad memory :S

The other thing...my dad died on fathers day 2005, it was the day after i found out i was pregnant actually....
He died June 19, 2005, somewhere between 10am-200pm..i'll have to ask my brother for the exact time..i cant remeber now. I think around that time, the transiting south node was on my pluto?....

[gesso]

Thank you for the info.

Your 7th H ruler is Cancer/moon. On the day of your wedding, your partner/moon is in your sign (Capi) and about 2.30pm ish, Tr moon conjunct your Sun exactly. :)

If we used your original birth time/rising sign & degree, Leo/Sun would have signified your partner DH.

It would be cool if you could get someone else to rectify your chart and if the birth time matches.

Tora

So with 10:10am for my rectified birth time, cancer is ruler over my 7th?
wow.....weird :p
It seems strange though hey, being that i 'look' aquarian?
wow...thank so much for all your work on this :)

[gesso]

I'm pretty far north, and i notice that in my chart analysis in solar fire, it says that the sun is fast

[BobZemco]

Bob, the program progtran....it does not seem to make the modification of the slowing down of the sun....is this what you have found?

I'm 46, so if my Sun moved at 1° per year my Solar Arc should be 46° but it isn't, it's 44°17' because my Sun moves a little slow. The program will tell you what your Solar Arc is (look near the top a few lines down), and actually that's all I use it for.

I take the Solar Arc and add it to all my natal planets to see where they are now on the directed chart. I'm a little old-fashioned in some respects and also "hands-on", so I'll print off a natal chart on my junky HP printer and then draw the arcs in by planet.

[BobZemco]

Here is a chart for my solar arcs on the day my daughter was born...does anyone see anything i dont? Should that moon maybe be right on the DC?
What you need to do is go to Chart Options -> Aspect Set -> Planets -> Create and enter "DIRECTED" or whatever file name you want, then enable Conjunction, Opposition, Square, Semi-Square and Sesquisquare and disable all other aspects, then narrow the orbs down to 1° or 1°30' and then look at it.

Aside from that, you've SA Venus opposing Jupiter on the 2/8 access showing love and a change in your economic/financial status because of someone else and you have SA Moon opposing natal Venus. Note that the Moon rules the 5th House (children) and SA Moon is in the 7th (Others).

That's your child-birth.

[plutopassing]

I had a quick look in the solar arcs book and the meaning for SA venus aspecting jupiter is birthing! Also, in the solar arc chart for your daughter's birth, the SA north node is conjunct saturn and I've noticed the nodes active when I had my children.

[cassanra]

I guess what I pulled up on the protran is correct and my solar arc sun is displayed as 47 degrees and 3 minutes (which puts it at 9 degrees and 30 minutes in leo )though I turned 49 in June so it is corrected. What does solar arc neptune opposite sun mean? I was a little nervous on that one. Natal sun is in the 3rd. Solar arc neptune is also forming ses.square to venus in the fifth...any thoughts on that....there are some hard aspect of natal planets to the solar arc ASC and MC. Do you also look at those or mainly focus on natal axis?

[cassanra]

okay what solar arc book are you looking at? is that Noel Tyl cause I definately need to get that when I look at 2010 cause right now not much is happening but in 2010 er huh I think I am getting pretty busy...yikes

[plutopassing]

there are some hard aspect of natal planets to the solar arc ASC and MC. Do you also look at those or mainly focus on natal axis?

Cassandra, do you mean that the solar arc Asc or MC has moved to conjunct natal planets? If so, yes you do look at those too.

Yes I'm using Noel Tyl's book. It has some interpretations in the back, although I find them a bit abstract, as for neptune to Asc it says "mystical air flavours the image"

Neptune oppose your sun and venus ses.square to Neptune could possibly be a relationship (that's if it fits with your life at that moment) or it could be becoming more spiritual. What house does neptune rule in your chart? Are they happening at the same time? In the vid she says neptune to an angle is a time of "ego wipeout". If it did materialise as a relationship then you might have to be careful that you see the person as they really are and not as you would want them to be. I had that once with neptune transiting descendant and I still until now idealise the person. :mad:

[cassanra]

The primary current hard aspects are the S-Neptune opp N-sun and the S-Neptune ses.sq N-Venus. There is S-MC ses.sq N-merc in the 4th and S-MC semi square N-Saturn in the 10th. Neptune is house less:) its sign Pisces, is intercepted in the 12th and its placement is in Scorpio in the 7th natally. Thank you.....I am laughing about the abstract interpretations....I wish we could say...."this for sure means that" but so far I have not been able to do that:)

[plutopassing]

Gesso, have you tried rectifying your chart to after 10.30, like around 10.32. That would make SA venus square your MC/IC in around July 2005 (father) and then oppose your jupiter shortly afterwards (daughter). The reason I'm saying this is because venus also rules the 8th house of your chart and it would then be squaring the parental axis in July 2005.

Also, that would put SA sun nearly conjunct your ascendant (1.5 approaching) when you got married, which fits as Leo rules your 7th. Maybe the time needs a little adjustment, but I think it is around the 10.25 to 10.35 time.

Maybe you could try some other charts giving that time, like progressions, transits and see if they fit.

[plutopassing]

Neptune is house less:) its sign Pisces, is intercepted in the 12th and its placement is in Scorpio in the 7th natally.

So neptune is co-ruler of the 12th? I'm not sure about intercepted houses and whether you can use their ruler as a co-ruler of the house. Also neptune in your 7th could connect it with relationships / partnerships for you. The solar arcs to mercury in the 4th and saturn in the 10th could relate to home or work, maybe more to work as I understand it you said saturn is in your 10th natally and it is the S-MC aspecting it. If all those aspects are happening at the same time and you want to tie them in together you could say there may be changes in the work or home because of disillusionment with the way things are, the disillusionment coming from Neptune as the background theme and the other aspects by the MC bringing the events for change.

Tell me if I'm wrong, just guessing.

[gesso]

Gesso, have you tried rectifying your chart to after 10.30, like around 10.32. That would make SA venus square your MC/IC in around July 2005 (father) and then oppose your jupiter shortly afterwards (daughter). The reason I'm saying this is because venus also rules the 8th house of your chart and it would then be squaring the parental axis in July 2005.

Also, that would put SA sun nearly conjunct your ascendant (1.5 approaching) when you got married, which fits as Leo rules your 7th. Maybe the time needs a little adjustment, but I think it is around the 10.25 to 10.35 time.

Maybe you could try some other charts giving that time, like progressions, transits and see if they fit.
wow..thanks for looking into it..
I'm going to try playing around with it..haha this scraps my pluto square ac theory then i think :p ...
any idea how to find out my sun speed? I know it is fast, but how do i see the exact arc in solar fire?

[plutopassing]

Gesso, I'm not sure I don't use solar fire, I use Janus. I just read your other thread about pluto squaring your ascendant. Even if you change the chart and your ascendant becomes aquarius, Pluto is still squaring your moon! A bit wide but 6 degrees. Also pluto in your 8th gives it some weight, as its the natural ruler of the 8th, so it has some strength in your chart.

[cassanra]

Well i did apply for two managers jobs in the last year, most recently August, and the person who was selected was younger and 15 years less experience but I worked through that having felt that disappointment last year I knew what internal things to expect. I realized that I was trying to run away by directing my energies in the wrong direction....like trying to take on more work when I had troubles on the home court....it hit me once last year what I was trying to do and hit me again this year....so I guess you are right....I was terribly burned out and found a way to redirect in a positive way. It does sound like the rectification is more complex than I thought. The sun is in my third at 22 degrees and at 11 something should have happened. All my mother could tell me was that my father ,and family for that matter, developed a project such that we lived in another state for a summer. It was a big project working with teachers in development of the arts. It continued for two or three years summers and was an interesting period in our families life as we lived among others. The moon, at 22 degrees in the 6th, hit about that same time ....that does not seem like a big event to me. I was looking for death, separation etc. On another note, I did think it was odd, if my birth time is correct, the year before I was born my dads brother was killed by a drunk driver and Saturn is one degree past the MC....kind of made me wonder....that is the atmosphere I was born into. kind of makes ya think huh...

[plutopassing]

That is interesting as we were talking about neptune and I said you might feel some "disillusionment" and I was going to say disappointment (more or less the same thing) and that was only just in August, so not that long ago, as neptune is making the aspect. I think when these disappointments happen its usually for a reason as there's something better coming or it wasn't good for you anyway.

Your sun in the 3rd and hitting the IC when you were 11 would affect your father or mother and not so much you. It was probably a very important time for your father, getting a big project, etc., so that would fit perfectly. I don't know if the sun would be death or separation, I would more associate it with something good, unless it was aspecting mars, saturn, pluto or uranus.

[BobZemco]

I guess what I pulled up on the protran is correct and my solar arc sun is displayed as 47 degrees and 3 minutes (which puts it at 9 degrees and 30 minutes in leo )though I turned 49 in June so it is corrected.

You're just south of me so your Sun will run a little slow, plus you're a summer birth.

What does solar arc neptune opposite sun mean? I was a little nervous on that one. Natal sun is in the 3rd. Solar arc neptune is also forming ses.square to venus in the fifth...any thoughts on that....there are some hard aspect of natal planets to the solar arc ASC and MC. Do you also look at those or mainly focus on natal axis?

I think we can rule out "journeys to far distant places" so the other option if positive would be success through understanding other people. On the negative side, scandal, chaotic conditions, great disappointments, or a person exploited by others.

The SA Neptune/Venus is romantic love, longing for love, peculiar desires/objectives, unstable existence, changing occupations, disappointment, disillusionment, realization of infatuation.

If I remember right, your Sun and Venus are 3rd/Gemini and 5th/Leo, no? Anyway, you want to view it through that.

[etoilestar]

Hi all !

this is freaky freaky!! I just checked solar arc to natal for the date I relocated 700 miles and uranus was in exact conjunction to my AC....23.48 to 23.49!

I'm amazed at this accuracy.

Melanie

[cassanra]

I have been doing a time line using solar arcs and progressions. Starting in 2007 early my solar arc planets were semi square all my natal planets. This has been a tough year and a half but I am curious about this major sort of attack on all planets thing. Is there anything in the book on this? or someone know something about it. I am assuming this is like a midlife crisis? :)

[plutopassing]

Etoilestar - wow! I had it too with a major relocation, so thanks for confirming it DOES work! It also confirms that your birth time is more or less accurate. How about other events, do they match up?

Cassandra I'm coming up for the same semi-squares next year too. In the book he says "this time in a persons life is always a time of a change of gears, a reorientation, for slow arcs (march to sept births) it happens a little later, ages 46-47. Personally, I can already feel that some very big changes are coming up in the next year or so, I just hope the ride on the way isn't too rough!

Don't forget that in solar arcs the aspect doesn't really matter, whether it is a square, opposition, conjunction. It is simply the fact that the planets are connecting. Even in the book he doesn't list the planet connections by what aspect they are making. He only lists them as say venus to Asc, Asc to Venus. The contact is enough. Then he lists that planet to midpoints, which is supposed to be quite informative as well.

[BobZemco]

Etoilestar - wow! I had it too with a major relocation, so thanks for confirming it DOES work! It also confirms that your birth time is more or less accurate. How about other events, do they match up?

Looks like I'll be having a major relocation, too, from Earth to somewhere "out there." It coincides with my Hyleg/Alcocoden life-span and transiting Pluto opposition.

[BobZemco]

I have been doing a time line using solar arcs and progressions. Starting in 2007 early my solar arc planets were semi square all my natal planets. This has been a tough year and a half but I am curious about this major sort of attack on all planets thing. Is there anything in the book on this? or someone know something about it. I am assuming this is like a midlife crisis? :)

Yeah, I have like 14 of the bastards plus 3 sesquisquares and an opposition.

[plutopassing]

Just had another thought. Could it be that when all the planets aspect themselves as in the semi-square at age 45, that it actually just reinforces and brings out what is in your natal chart. Because if you look at it as you would any aspect then its sun to sun, venus to venus, saturn to saturn, etc. so that planet is activating itself. I think its a time when you truely want to be what is promised in your chart (true to yourself) and if you are not being that then that's where the crisis kicks in.

[plutopassing]

Bob, please don't relocate to anywhere "out there", we need you here!

As I see you know a lot about solar arc meanings, do you have any idea what SA Jupiter opposition moon and SA Moon square Jupiter could mean? They are both happening at the same time! I also have transiting neptune conjunct the SA moon and therefore also squaring Jupiter too. Jupiter rules my 6th, 9th, 10th and is located in my 11th. Moon is in my 6th but in capricorn not sag which is on the cusp of the 6th. SA moon and transiting neptune are in my 8th.

[etoilestar]

Ok I'm working through my life events lol

Fathers death

Here's my beginners interpretation of the solar arcs of that day....

SA sun opp neptune - Father passing beyond everyday realities and distinctions
SA sun conj vertex
vertex is tightly opposed neptune in my natal chart, pr neptune is conj natal neptune and opp vertex, so I feel they are all very linked to each other...
from a post on tribe net "When the Vertex and the planet(s) it conjoins move to exact aspect by Solar Arc, key periods are clearly marked in childhood. There is usually a year made crucial through a major event, if there is also a transit or eclipse trigger"
... so in my case a crucial year through a major event relating to the SA sun representing my Dad...

As I'm not sure of the relevant aspects using solar arcs I'm not sure if this is relevant, but it resonates a bit with me...

SA Mars 9 minute quincunx to AC - Mars relating to men in uniform, my Dad wore a uniform all his working life, and it was a big part of who he was.

SA Saturn conj moon - Hard knocks and/or father relating to family roots and or home...

SA saturn quincunx pluto - father / death

SA mercury opp AC ?? not sure of relevance..

This all resonates with me... what do you all think???

Melanie

[BobZemco]

Bob, please don't relocate to anywhere "out there", we need you here!

I don't think you'll need me here 40-odd years from now. If you do, I didn't teach craft very well.

As I see you know a lot about solar arc meanings, do you have any idea what SA Jupiter opposition moon and SA Moon square Jupiter could mean?

They mean the same thing. Could be social success, material advantage or contacts with foreign countries. It could also be a conflict of a religious or legal nature, marital strife, or squandering your wealth.

The fact that you have the same arc twice, increases the intensity. This would be the same as say, SA Pluto/Pluto.

You have to delineate it from this: social success, material advantage, contacts with foreign countries, conflict of a religious or legal nature, marital strife, or squandering your wealth.

Since the 2nd House is not involved, we can narrow it down to this:
social success, material advantage (from your partner --8th House), contacts with foreign countries, conflict of a religious or legal nature, or marital strife.

Probably social success since your 11th House is involved.

[BobZemco]

Ok I'm working through my life events lol

Fathers death

Here's my beginners interpretation of the solar arcs of that day....

SA sun opp neptune - Father passing beyond everyday realities and distinctions
I'm not sure that would actually represent the death of your father, but it would be a time when you were severely disappointed or in a chaotic state.

SA sun conj vertex vertex is tightly opposed neptune in my natal chart, pr neptune is conj natal neptune and opp vertex, so I feel they are all very linked to each other...
I think Jayne was around when Ebertin and gang were doing their thing (I don't know), but the Vertex is like a "fate point." Conjunctions to the Vertex would be the only time when you possibly wouldn't have free will, ie "you're fated/destined."

The conjunction is the only aspect Jayne considered with the Vertex. It shows where you are subconsciously oriented in a natal chart.

Typically when people have planets conjunct another's Vertex, they were destined to meet, and usually get along at one level or another, whether it's social, marital, sexual, professional or whatever.

SA Saturn conj moon - Hard knocks and/or father relating to family roots and or home...
The Moon in Solar Arcs and Mid-Points is always women, the mother, the wife, emotions. In this case it is inhibited emotions (sadness).

SA Mars 9 minute quincunx to AC - Mars relating to men in uniform, my Dad wore a uniform all his working life, and it was a big part of who he was. SA saturn quincunx pluto - father / death
We don't use those. Just 0°, 45°, 90°, 135° and 180°.

SA mercury opp AC ?? not sure of relevance.
It isn't in this instance.

[hermetic]

I just dig up this thread and found lots of useful information here...
I was wondering what could SA Neptune on DSC bring, in terms of life events?
I can usualy get a good understanding of IC(house,moving) and MC(career) being hit by a solar arc planet, but descendant is not so clear to me, does anyone have any ideas?

[freedomlover]

I just dig up this thread and found lots of useful information here...
I was wondering what could SA Neptune on DSC bring, in terms of life events?
I can usualy get a good understanding of IC(house,moving) and MC(career) being hit by a solar arc planet, but descendant is not so clear to me, does anyone have any ideas?

Yes! It IS a great thread, isn't it?:)

My take on interpreting Solar Arc Neptune to Descendant would be:

Opportunity to forgive and be compassionate with a partner - or to attract a forgiving and compassionate partner.

Illusions/Deceptions in a partner.

Artistic partner

Addicted partner

Seeing through appearances in one-on-one relationships

More detail could be arrived at through knowing the sign of the Descendant, and also the natal sign Neptune is in, and what house.

Hope that helps a little,

FL

[hermetic]

Thanks so much freedomlover :)

I was not sure whether the descendant would have more to do with how I relate to people in general, how people perceive me(opposite of asc) or how I percieve them, on solely with one-on-one partner, so now you explained it ;)

all of those sound ok, and since descendant is in very sober Capricorn I hope it won't bring an addicted partner(I've had one and it was enough for me) ;)

It is somewhat scary since I know several people with Neptune on Descendant natally(i thought it could be similar influence) and they are not handling their love lifes well, not seeing others as they are. I do know Neptune lessons are difficult to learn and one needs to stay really rational all along in order not to lose it.
And all this talk about angles being very sensitive to SA planets, I figured it will bring some GREAT LIE in form of a human to mess with my head.

My Neptune is in 6th house, Sag, squaring Venus, so this SA Neptune will also be making trine to natal Venus, hopefuly it won't be anything bad

[byjove]

Hi everyone, now this is an interesting topic! I'm so impressed with that astrologer's video on solar arcing...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNaFiCBvNk4

What aspects might indicate a change of house? My current birth time, thought given by the hospital, does not seem to show my moving house or changing degree (involved a summer of limbo hoping I'd get my new course). By going back 24 minutes on my given birth time, I've uranus exactly square ASC. Neptune is also about 2 degrees square ASC. Is that indicative of change of house? I've only moved house once so far so it shouldn't be too difficult, no?

[astrologer50]

Pluto is also in hot pursuit - at 1 degree behind Uranus - due to my natal Ur/PL conjunction in Virgo.

Uranus would have hit about age 36 - and Pluto the following year.

Uranus hitting the MC does coincide with me losing my home. (Why MC, and not IC?) The long, draining illness really set in hard that year, as well. I still don't have an explanation for the Pluto the following year.)

FL

Uranus onto MC is your 'social standing' and uranus will disrupt and cause upheavals, like divorce also.

Again for something major, it's like secondary progressions, usually we look for transits or even solar returns to 'back it up' or reinforce things. Along they are somewhat weakened...

Of course if looking at other house cusps, it all depends on which house system you are using. I use Equal house

Having seen both videos now and note the salient points
· Transiting Pluto square, conj opp Asc, Desc, MC, IC
· If under 12’ when it conj an Angle then their age was under age 12 it’s parents adjustments. A death, change within father’s work, a separation, remarriage.
· Adults or teens, 1st job, identity transformation MC.
· Pluto conj Desc = death, health concerns, geographic, significant relationship or break up, but has to be ‘life transforming’
· Also try transiting Neptune, something dissolving, disappearing, confusing etc.
· Timings of transits… is it the 1st hit? More often it’s the middle retrograde hit… but could be the last direct hit also. 1’ =4minutes in time.

I also look at the quicker moving transits like T Mercury conj Asc very noticeable,lots of communications, paperwork, telephone calls etc and also T mars conj Asc, loads of energy, lots of running about, action etc.

If anyone is interested I have 11page word doc just on solar arcs if anyone wants to PM me with email..

[iwonder]

Very interesting thread, I wonder why I didn't see it earlier.

So, if my Sun at the time of birth was moving at 0*58'39"/day, then my arc in full degrees will be shorter than my age in years, right? For an event that happened when I was 19.5, the arc comes to be 19 degrees (19.5 years * 58.66 munites / 60 minutes).

Am I correct, or did I mess it up? And how precise should it be? I was actually 19 years, 7 months and 11 days - how do I calculate exact arc, if I need to?

I'd always assumed my birth time was correct, but after watching the video Plutopassing put up, I started to wonder. I've been doing some elementary attempts at rectification. It seemed pretty accurate, until I read the following and applied it:


Does anyone have any thoughts on what Uranus solar arcing to MC could mean?

Thanks!

FL

(Great thread, Plutopassing!)
In my case, arcing Uranus (9th house) conjunct MC was a move thousands miles away from home, totally life changing and unexpected for others. Literally, I see my life as "before" and "after" that day.

What about Neptune arcing to Asc?

And another thing, how precise should these arcing aspects be? Making them hit to the minute gives different birthtimes. They all, I mean birth times, are in 5-minute range, though. But where do I stop?

[astrologer50]

Very interesting thread, I wonder why I didn't see it earlier.

So, if my Sun at the time of birth was moving at 0*58'39"/day, then my arc in full degrees will be shorter than my age in years, right? For an event that happened when I was 19.5, the arc comes to be 19 degrees (19.5 years * 58.66 munites / 60 minutes). Prob best to use computer software rather than doing it manually, generally it's 1' for every year of birth, but if you want precise calculating use a computer

Am I correct, or did I mess it up? And how precise should it be? I was actually 19 years, 7 months and 11 days - how do I calculate exact arc, if I need to?


In my case, arcing Uranus (9th house) conjunct MC was a move thousands miles away from home, totally life changing and unexpected for others. Literally, I see my life as "before" and "after" that day. Nice example and very apt...

What about Neptune arcing to Asc?

And another thing, how precise should these arcing aspects be? Making them hit to the minute gives different birthtimes. They all, I mean birth times, are in 5-minute range, though. But where do I stop?

Remember 1'degree = 4minutes of time

I personally would not be so pedantic as work out the minutes/seconds, just stick to degree, but if over 30" round it up to next degree.
Neptune SA Asc is similar to T Neptune conj asc but not quite as strongly felt. Could find yourself actually sleeping more, I had this T Neptune conj Asc, I changed my appearance, coloured my hair different colour,then changed it back. Usually neptune 'dissolves' something or something disappears, so if you are talked about yourAsc, the way your project your physical image, ie; body.... Neptune wants subtle changes, but could also make you more psychic, sensitive to enbironment, perhaps a little more gullible, easily influenced. Personally I wanted more sleep and other bits...

[iwonder]

I think dissolving effect of Neptune makes sense in my case.

Where can I read more about possible interpretations of SA planets?

For example, SA Moon conj Asc - becoming a mother?

What about those directions that do not really bring about any significant memories? I had SA Mercury conjunct MC, but cannot think of anything of major importance as far as status, job (MC) and whatever Mercury rules natally (5, 6 and 7 houses). We bought a house around that time, but Mercury has nothing to do with house or home in my chart. So other than touching MC/IC, there is nothing to relate to that fact. But there must have been something. Mercury is important in my chart.

[cassanra]

Buying a home would fit somewhat as mercury also rules contract and movement in general. Often times the traditional meanings work better than house rulership etc. So buying a home with mercury on the MC/IC fits. A move into a home would affect children, daily routine, partnerships in a general way and as mercury is the traditional ruler of the 6th house daily routine is affected.
The biggest marker for me was Pluto on the DC =birth of children, marriage and move and change of job....lots of transformational stuff. Pluto rules my 8th (birth) and is in my 6th (work, health) and 7th of course partnerships so it all sort of fit.

[byjove]

I just dig up this thread and found lots of useful information here...
I was wondering what could SA Neptune on DSC bring, in terms of life events?
I can usualy get a good understanding of IC(house,moving) and MC(career) being hit by a solar arc planet, but descendant is not so clear to me, does anyone have any ideas?

Hey, I seen your post a while back and was meant to comment. Looking at my chart, I should have reached the same aspect at about 19, if the time is really correct. If it is, around that time, I chose many bad dates and partners, liers, cheaters etc. I was at a difficult time, where some plans had not gone as expected, and I was still at that time on a 'road to nowhere'. Does any of that sound familiar?

I'm not certain that this was Neptune's work, solar arcing the DC, but I think it fairly correlates with the ''ego wipeout'' I've been reading is associated with it.

Also, has anyone had a Moon conjunct IC with solar arcs?

[Awakened_Pisces]

No, I had it conjunct my MH when I was 12. I was forced out of my home(Aries MH).

[iwonder]

I think dissolving effect of Neptune makes sense in my case.

Where can I read more about possible interpretations of SA planets?

For example, SA Moon conj Asc - becoming a mother?

What about those directions that do not really bring about any significant memories? I had SA Mercury conjunct MC, but cannot think of anything of major importance as far as status, job (MC) and whatever Mercury rules natally (5, 6 and 7 houses). We bought a house around that time, but Mercury has nothing to do with house or home in my chart. So other than touching MC/IC, there is nothing to relate to that fact. But there must have been something. Mercury is important in my chart.

Ya know, I was wrong. We bought a house earlier. That year when SA Mercury conjuncted my MC, my husband and I started a business. And what Mercury represents in my chart ties in nicely with the kind of business it was and how we ran it. Amazing!

[iwonder]

I was looking at another horoscope. This person has Libra Venus in late 11th, early 12th house (depending on when exactly he was born), so sometime in his late teens/20s arching Venus hit the Asc.

Natally, as I said, it is in Libra, and most likely in the 11th, and also rules 7th house.

I read SA Venus on Dsc is focus on love and marriage. And on the Asc - is it love to one's self, and possible break up of a relationship? Or Venus is Venus, and it is a new realationship? What else?

[MTTY05]

All right, so this very thread and the provided links got me started into solar arcs. I tested this out with my chart and it turns out that my birth time is 4:53 PM, not 5:05.

On my old chart, SA Pluto conjuncted MC at age 4, which I just knew didn't make any sense. My original family situation was destroyed at the age of 1 and I was taken to another state, and I haven't seen my entire maternal family since then, so age 1 is a lot more fitting.

And on my old chart SA Jupiter conjuncts IC at age 12. I asscociate Jupiter with schooling and education, etc. And I changed schools when I was 9, not 12, so it was 3 years off again. I'm not even 100% sure if SA Jupiter conjunct IC would signify a change of school, but it seems to make sense. But it was 3 years off, just like the Pluto thing, so I kind of think it was accurate. I'm pretty sure Neptune was right too.

Weird thing though...instead of Leo being intercepted in the 7th, now Virgo is intercepted in the 8th and I have an entire stellium there. Not sure what that means yet.

And another new placement...Uranus is now in the 12th, so I get to do another Solar Arc for that too. Yays.

[byjove]

All right, so this very thread and the provided links got me started into solar arcs. I tested this out with my chart and it turns out that my birth time is 4:53 PM, not 5:05.

On my old chart, SA Pluto conjuncted MC at age 4, which I just knew didn't make any sense. My original family situation was destroyed at the age of 1 and I was taken to another state, and I haven't seen my entire maternal family since then, so age 1 is a lot more fitting.

And on my old chart SA Jupiter conjuncts IC at age 12. I asscociate Jupiter with schooling and education, etc. And I changed schools when I was 9, not 12, so it was 3 years off again. I'm not even 100% sure if SA Jupiter conjunct IC would signify a change of school, but it seems to make sense. But it was 3 years off, just like the Pluto thing, so I kind of think it was accurate. I'm pretty sure Neptune was right too.

Weird thing though...instead of Leo being intercepted in the 7th, now Virgo is intercepted in the 8th and I have an entire stellium there. Not sure what that means yet.

And another new placement...Uranus is now in the 12th, so I get to do another Solar Arc for that too. Yays.

Hi MTTY05, glad to see someone else join the Solar Arc club lol. I take it you've seen the extremely helpful and fairly simple videos posted at the start of this thread? As Lauren del Sack says, correct the time if there's something which really stands out but your current time doesn't match, then test it with other life events. So if you adjusted the time to see SA Pluto conjunct MC at age 1, and other calculations work out thereafter, it looks like you're closer with that birth time, if it's not exact already.

It's interesting, no? How's everybody else getting along with their Solar Arc adjustments?

[MTTY05]

Yes, indeed I did see the videos, and they helped a bunch. I was very surprised at how easy it was. I must admit that I had avoided solar arcs for a while because I thought it was some complicated and advanced technique, like rocket science or something. But it turns out that this was far easier than I thought, and I should have done this long ago.

I'm 100% sure that the Solar Arcs for Jupiter, Pluto, and Neptune are precise, but I still don't understand SA Uranus. Now that I've rectified my chart Uranus has moved from the 11th house to the 12th, so I tried doing a SA for Uranus and it conjuncted my Ascendant at age 20, which was just last year. However, nothing substantial happened when I was 20.

[byjove]

Hi Mtty, my calculation is probably off, but would SA Uranus not conjunct your AC at roughly 23? So it's yet to happen? Very nice grand trine you've got btw.

[MTTY05]

No, that's my old unrectified chart you're looking at. I'm going to change that link here in a second.

[MTTY05]

Alright, now it's fixed.

[byjove]

Alright, now it's fixed.

Well it definitely looks like twenty years old. I'd seek people who experienced that, or know a good bit about that, I'm fairly new to Solar Arcs so I'm not a huge help there. However...I have transiting Uranus conjunct my MC, which I have been noticing, indeed...the need to break free, in terms of profession etc. is definitely evident, I've been getting restless. But, as a helpful astologer pointed out to me on here recently, sometimes when the effects of these planetary movements appear in the outside world, we're not necessarily dealing with them; it is possible to experience this on the inside, and if successfully navigated, avoid the sharp changes that would otherwise be exported to the world around us...I hope even any of this helps. But definitely search for all the effects of that SA at 20. :)

[iwonder]

How's everybody else getting along with their Solar Arc adjustments?

I've confirmed my earlier rectified time, but not to the minute. It is somewhere in a 3-minute interval, but I cannot get it more precise :mad:.

Do you people know what 10th house Moon arcing (conjunction) to Asc could mean?
What about 11th house North Node? (are NNs even used in arcs?)

[byjove]

3-minute interval? Wow, I didn't think that that level of accuracy was important, is it? I've mine rectified to half a degree...

[iwonder]

Oops, sorry for the confusion :) Three time minutes, not degree minutes.

[astrologer50]

Lillyj quoted these sites in another post, just thought they may be of interest and assistance.

http://www.frankstar.com/solararc.htm (http://www.frankstar.com/solararc.htm)
http://thezodiac.com/arcs.htm (http://thezodiac.com/arcs.htm)
http://www.donmc.com/Comparing%20Transits%20and%20Solar%20Arcs%20II.htm (http://www.donmc.com/Comparing%20Transits%20and%20Solar%20Arcs%20II.htm )
http://en.mimi.hu/astrology/solar_arc_directions.html (http://en.mimi.hu/astrology/solar_arc_directions.html)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrological_progression (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrological_progression)