Will this poor, helpless woman be in a relationship any soon

[blumen]

I've been thinking of this for a couple of weeks already, so maybe today at 12:09 the time was ripe to ask the question:

"Will I be in a relationship any soon?"

Here is the chart, please have a look at it as I cannot read my own horaries,

Blumen

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[Summery Joy]

cannot read my own horaries

Tell me about it!


OK Blumen, let's take a look.

The ASC is on the last degree of the sign. I believe this chart cannot be judged since it suggests that you already know or that the answer is status quo. However, I recorded the time and date for which I first got and received your question. According to Frawley, a chart drawn up on my data will work. I've tried a few time and in fact it did work. So here's a Frawley answer to your question.

I got and understood your question on 20 March 2006, 1:53 pm, Cairo Egypt, GMT 2.

I got the ASC at Leo 6:17. You are signified by the Sun at Pisces 29:44 in the 9th house. A serious partner is signified by Saturn Rx at Leo 4:37 technically in the 1st house. A casual romantic partner is signified by Jupiter Rx at Scorpio 18:29 in the 4th house.

OK. I think I see a love triangle here. The Sun is mutually moving towards a trine with Saturn Rx and the Sun actually receives Saturn Rx while Saturn Rx in the 1st house showing interest in you. But because of the retrograde motion of Saturn and the fact that it's moving out of the 1st house into the 12th, I'm inclined to think that Saturn here represents an ex serious partner. It's either that or a person who is preoccupied with other issues.

Jupiter Rx , on the other hand, receives the Sun (your significator) and is in your 4th house (past). Someone from the past who was not exactly serious partner still cares about you?

Anyway, The applying trine between the Sun and Saturn should give us a yes answer to you questions, but there are many reasons why this answer is actually no:

1. The Moon will beat the Sun and perfect a trine with Saturn first. That's frustration. Now, I know that The Moon has just separated from the Sun and is applying to Saturn which should be considered translation of light. But the problem is, in translation of light, the two main significators are usually not within orb to cast an aspect, but these two are. I fear that you may have potential to meet (or get back together with) someone through a means but this means will be the very thing that stops it.

2. Saturn is in retrograde motion, i.e. not in it's normal state. Sooner or later Saturn will turn direct changing everything with it. That is, even if you overcome the frustration and meet (or get back together with) someone, the relationship will end anyway.

3. The Sun is on the last degree of the sign. This shows you in a transitional stage, and since this is happening in the 9th house, you're probably in a transformation and development phase. You need to change color in order for the aspect to perfect. This could mean one of two things; either you gotta let of the past a start a new page in your life in order to move on to a love relationship OR you will feel that you must force yourself to change in order to be with a specific person. The first meaning is fine, but the second is not.

Let's resort to the Moon that signified you and the question. The Moon's next aspect is that trine with Saturn Rx suggesting a yes answer; however I must remind you of my reservation of Saturn being in Rx motion.

The final aspect the Moon makes with a traditional planet before leaving this sign is an opposition with Mars (ouch!). Mars is the natural significator of anger, fights, young men and sex. In this chart, it rules your 10th house (public image or career) and is the dispositor of Jupiter Rx.

Now, I could be blabbing when this Frawley is not working. But according to it, there's a chance you'll start something or get back together with someone but it will not work out.

Could you provide some background to shed some light on this?

[Draco]

Hi Blumen,

I think that the Frawley method comes in handy when the original chart gives indications which would restrict interpretation.

Looking at the original chart, I would say that the late Ascendant suggests that the answer to this question is already known.

I'm inclined to think that Saturn here represents an ex serious partner

The original chart would suggest this too. Saturn is lord of the 7th cusp, and in the 1st, so is a character still existing in Blumen's thoughts. The Moon, Blumens significator is separating from an aspect to Saturn, himself retrograde, suggesting concentration upon a past relationship.

I'll pop back on this one.

Draco :wink:

[blumen]

Sorehearted,

thanks a lot!

I cannot interpret this chart as I would not be objective. Having said that, i believe that maybe the original chart was radical. The AC falls on my natal Saturn, and maybe Saturn in the first house is more descriptive of my current state. I myself am not too convinced of this anyway....

You gave an absolutely brilliant reading! The chart you casted looked quite complicated to me, maybe because I am directly involved in the question. Also, you hit the nail with many things. Other things that you said fit - more or less - my situation. But I believe that a bit of background info is needed on some points, to make all the pieces fall into place:


Now, I could be blabbing when this Frawley is not working

No, it is more a matter of background info.


The Sun is on the last degree of the sign. This shows you in a transitional stage, and since this is happening in the 9th house, you're probably in a transformation and development phase. You need to change color in order for the aspect to perfect.

I am in a transitional state, from at least two points of view, and these are indicated by the Sun being in ninth house. The main trasformation is what I call my "mystical crisis". The other change is me leaving this country in five months or so, and moving to some other country, but I do not yet know where, though, as I am still looking for a job.


Mars (...) In this chart, it rules your 10th house (public image or career)

I am in an occupation of Jupiter, but in many ways some of its elements are "martial" as well.

Someone from the past who was not exactly serious partner still cares about you?


I do not know, honestly...

I'm inclined to think that Saturn here represents an ex serious partner. It's either that or a person who is preoccupied with other issues.


I have never had a committed relationship. Or - at least - I wanted to have one, but the other person had a different opinion on this. I do not think about this guy anymore, so it could be somebody who is concerned with other issues.

Blumen

[blumen]

Draco,

thanks a lot for your comments,

Saturn is lord of the 7th cusp, and in the 1st, so is a character still existing in Blumen's thoughts. The Moon, Blumens significator is separating from an aspect to Saturn, himself retrograde, suggesting concentration upon a past relationship

No, as I wrote in reply to Sorehearted, there was once a guy I wanted a committed relationship with, but it didn't work out. This person has been completely forgotten. Could it be that the rulership of the 7th symbolizes the kind of relationship I am looking for - and its being in the first describes my current state?

Blumen

[Summery Joy]

Well then Blumen, I suppose the answer to your question according to my chart is no due to the frustration. Your chart, however radical, cannot be judged because of the late ASC. Maybe it's telling you to wait until you're all settled in that new country and/or job before first. This phase has to end first, I guess.

Good luck.