Arabic Parts

[Ihatelawschool]

Hey, I have a question. I know that the part of fortune is valid, but what about other arabic parts? Theres apparently a gazillion of them. My part of fortune is in Gemini and none of my planets are in Gemini, so do I concentrate on what house my POF falls under?

http://www.noendpress.com/pvachier/arabicparts/index.php this site calculates a whole bunch of arabic parts for you.

[Alice McDermott]

[quote=charmvirgo]This is what the Astrology Weekly site says about arabic parts"


Robert Hurtz Granite in his book "The Fortunes of Astrology" described how the Lots or Parts were all derived from Equilibrium charts. So any formula with minus Sun in it was derived from the Solar Equilibrium chart, any formula with minus Moon in it was derived from the Lunar Equilibrium chart, any formula with minus Mercury was derived from the Mercury Equilibrium chart and so on.

Your post on Arabic Parts is the first I have ever seen (other than Robert Hurtz Granite) that describes this process. I am so thrilled as so many people really do seem to misunderstand what Arabic Parts are all about.

For those of you who have Solar Fire V5 or Deluxe, it is easy to see this clearly by creating an Equilibrium chart for the Sun, then the Moon and so on. The procedure is as follows:

Equilibrium charts can be emulated using "Multiwheel Superimposition" - which is included in Solar Fire v5 and Deluxe.

To do this
1) You must first have two separate copies of the chart to work with (you can use Chart / Edit / Copy & Edit to create an identical copy).
2) Display these two identical charts in a biwheel.
3) Use RH mouse click and choose "MultiWheel Superimposition", and set the following options

Superimposition type: By exact position of Selected Points
Superimposition options: Base point Ascendant. Superimposition point Sun (or Moon, Mercury etc depending upon which equilibrium chart you want to work with)
Click 'Display Superimposed Positions'
Then click OK

You will now see that the outer chart has been rotated so that the outer Sun is on the inner Ascendant, thus making the outer chart equivalent to the Solar Equilibrium chart. Note that you can change the Superimposition Point for any other planet or house cusp, thus creating any other type of equilibrium chart.

NB - Please remember to reselect Superimposition Type as "Zodiacal (Normal)" when you finish with working with Equilibrium charts. Otherwise all your future biwheels will remain superimposed when you don't want them to be.

So when you use the Solar Equlibrium chart you can clearly see that the position of the Moon in that chart marks the Part of Fortune, the position of Mercury marks the Part of Commerce, the position of Venus marks the Part of Love and so on - as explained in charmvirgo's post.

As you can see, there are literally thousands of Lots when you use each planet's equilibrium chart, but only a few are regularly used. However, all are valid Lots and if any coincide with a planetary degree in your natal chart, or if there are a large collection of them around a natal degree, they will be very powerful.

It is a good idea to print out the equilibrium charts for each planet and keep an eye on them for transits, progressions, directions etc., you can then get a clearer idea of how they work through real life observation.

David Cochrane has written a very interesting article on the Part of Fortune and Part of Spirit on this site: http://www.astrosoftware.com/ArabicParts.htm

Alice

[aquarius7000]

[quote=charmvirgo]This is what the Astrology Weekly site says about arabic parts"


Robert Hurtz Granite in his book "The Fortunes of Astrology" described how the Lots or Parts were all derived from Equilibrium charts. So any formula with minus Sun in it was derived from the Solar Equilibrium chart, any formula with minus Moon in it was derived from the Lunar Equilibrium chart, any formula with minus Mercury was derived from the Mercury Equilibrium chart and so on.

Your post on Arabic Parts is the first I have ever seen (other than Robert Hurtz Granite) that describes this process. I am so thrilled as so many people really do seem to misunderstand what Arabic Parts are all about.

For those of you who have Solar Fire V5 or Deluxe, it is easy to see this clearly by creating an Equilibrium chart for the Sun, then the Moon and so on. The procedure is as follows:

Equilibrium charts can be emulated using "Multiwheel Superimposition" - which is included in Solar Fire v5 and Deluxe.

To do this
1) You must first have two separate copies of the chart to work with (you can use Chart / Edit / Copy & Edit to create an identical copy).
2) Display these two identical charts in a biwheel.
3) Use RH mouse click and choose "MultiWheel Superimposition", and set the following options

Superimposition type: By exact position of Selected Points
Superimposition options: Base point Ascendant. Superimposition point Sun (or Moon, Mercury etc depending upon which equilibrium chart you want to work with)
Click 'Display Superimposed Positions'
Then click OK

You will now see that the outer chart has been rotated so that the outer Sun is on the inner Ascendant, thus making the outer chart equivalent to the Solar Equilibrium chart. Note that you can change the Superimposition Point for any other planet or house cusp, thus creating any other type of equilibrium chart.

NB - Please remember to reselect Superimposition Type as "Zodiacal (Normal)" when you finish with working with Equilibrium charts. Otherwise all your future biwheels will remain superimposed when you don't want them to be.

So when you use the Solar Equlibrium chart you can clearly see that the position of the Moon in that chart marks the Part of Fortune, the position of Mercury marks the Part of Commerce, the position of Venus marks the Part of Love and so on - as explained in charmvirgo's post.

As you can see, there are literally thousands of Lots when you use each planet's equilibrium chart, but only a few are regularly used. However, all are valid Lots and if any coincide with a planetary degree in your natal chart, or if there are a large collection of them around a natal degree, they will be very powerful.

It is a good idea to print out the equilibrium charts for each planet and keep an eye on them for transits, progressions, directions etc., you can then get a clearer idea of how they work through real life observation.

David Cochrane has written a very interesting article on the Part of Fortune and Part of Spirit on this site: http://www.astrosoftware.com/ArabicParts.htm

Alice
There are astrologers that do give a lot of importance to Arabic parts, I am not so much into them. Do any of you?? Could you tell me how does a part of love in the 12th house in Leo fare? Thanks

[Alice McDermott]

[quote=Alice McDermott]
There are astrologers that do give a lot of importance to Arabic parts, I am not so much into them. Do any of you?? Could you tell me how does a part of love in the 12th house in Leo fare? Thanks

The Part of Love formula is Ascendant + Venus - Sun, therefore it is the place of Venus in the Solar Equilibrium chart.

To see how this is working for you, check what happens when it is activated by progressions, directions, transits and lunations. Make sure you are only using a one degree orb. Take particular note if Venus or the Sun is activating it as they are part of the formula.

Love does not have to mean romantic love, it can show what you love as well - for example, in the 12th house you may love theatre, magic, dreams, institutions, compassion and other 12th house areas. In Leo it can indicate that you love dramatically.

Most highly skilled astrologers use Arabic Parts. They are part of the harmonic understanding of astrology as are midpoints, harmonic charts etc., They are very precise indeed and only work if you have an exact time of birth.

They are very accurate in mundane charts. To illustrate: whenever someone of importance comes to my city the parallax new or full moon chart shows the Part of Honourable Acquaintance activated by the moon itself, a planet or an angle. The aspects to the Lot show whether we like them or not and whether the visit goes smoothly or causes difficulties.

Alice

[cindystubbs]

I just noticed this is an old thread but maybe someone will see my post and share.
My part of fortune is in an empty house.
It is in Taurus, and my take on it is that I need to have Taurus characteristics in order to be successful.
My part of spirit is also here, 11 degrees away!
Maybe this means my fortune and my spirit are intertwined???
My part of intelligence is the same degree as Mercury.
My part of fulfillment is the same degree as my Moon in Cancer.
This is just another clue to me that astrology works!

[RayAustin]

I love using the arabic parts in horary, when relevant to the horary question, there are very non-coincidental conjunctions to the significators .. say it is about marriage, I'll see one of the significators conjunct the part of marriages and contracts. When I asked a question about me marrying, I saw my significator conjunct the part of women's marriages. I highly doubt it was a coincidence.

I've also seen lots of incidents in my natal. My ascendant is conjunct the part of journeys by land, which has been a significant thing in my life, since I've traveled from one side of America to another, quite a few times. I have the ascendant conjunct masculine children, which leads me to believe I'll probably have sons.

I think the parts are a very good way to confirm other things said in the chart.

[cindystubbs]

Soooo cool.

I about fell out of my chair when I saw those two parts were the same
degree as my natal planets. Extraordinary!

[estrella]

Yeah, I'm really starting to get into the Arabic Parts. My Part of Astrology is conjunct my Part of Profession in the 9th. Hmmm....

[Lost_spirit]

I like Arabic parts!Both with fixed stars are the most interesting branches of astrology to me!I'm not sure how to interpret them.I think they have a deeper meaning if it's conjunct a natal planet. Example,my part of suicide is conjunct my chiron,I've been suicidal in the past for many years.Part of depression as well is conjunct my neptune.Part of death/sep is in my saturn and is also conjunct the parts of rape,police and surgery.Hmmm...I'd rather not think about what this means!Part of rage/murder is in my venus,conjunct part of passion and play.And I also have a part of assassination very prominent,conjunct my mercury and my part of lawsuits.I'm just mumbling here,but I'd love to know the meaning of all the arabic parts.My Part of fortune is very weak and I don't know why it's considered more important than other parts.

[piercethevale]

[quote=aquarius7000]

The Part of Love formula is Ascendant + Venus - Sun, therefore it is the place of Venus in the Solar Equilibrium chart.

To see how this is working for you, check what happens when it is activated by progressions, directions, transits and lunations. Make sure you are only using a one degree orb. Take particular note if Venus or the Sun is activating it as they are part of the formula.

Love does not have to mean romantic love, it can show what you love as well - for example, in the 12th house you may love theatre, magic, dreams, institutions, compassion and other 12th house areas. In Leo it can indicate that you love dramatically.

Most highly skilled astrologers use Arabic Parts. They are part of the harmonic understanding of astrology as are midpoints, harmonic charts etc., They are very precise indeed and only work if you have an exact time of birth.

They are very accurate in mundane charts. To illustrate: whenever someone of importance comes to my city the parallax new or full moon chart shows the Part of Honourable Acquaintance activated by the moon itself, a planet or an angle. The aspects to the Lot show whether we like them or not and whether the visit goes smoothly or causes difficulties.

Alice


...Yes Alice, this equation results in what I was taught to understand as the "Part of Love & Appreciation"...a more correct apellation for this 'Part'.

[Libra20]

Does anyone know of any online sites that will give you a list of all of the arabic parts from inputing the birth data. To clarify, I mean the whole list. As opposed to this one that requires you to input the data for each part individually. http://www.noendpress.com/pvachier/arabicparts/index.php

[tanamarios]

i love arabic parts , and i'm just trying to interpret to further understanding.

[tanamarios]

i love arabic parts , and i'm just trying to interpret to further understanding.

I found also that the arabic parts aren't arabic at all. It came from the hellenistic astrology.

[piercethevale]

I found also that the arabic parts aren't arabic at all. It came from the hellenistic astrology.

...more likey from ancient Persia/India...Greece came much later...

[piercethevale]

Does anyone know of any online sites that will give you a list of all of the arabic parts from inputing the birth data. To clarify, I mean the whole list. As opposed to this one that requires you to input the data for each part individually. http://www.noendpress.com/pvachier/arabicparts/index.php

...not presently aware of any...but I recommend Winstar software for home computers...It has an Arabic Part generator/calculator that does exactly what you want...not too expensive and well worth the dough.