Curiouser and Curiouser

[Elianah]

Hi all,

Last night after a discussion group I belong to, I was in a conversation with one of the other group members who said she hoped that I would go back to school because she felt that I could make a great theologian. My first reaction was that only if I could win the PowerBall to pay off my outstanding student loans (we won't go into how much those are, but it isn't a small amount).

Now I know with having a Sag Rising, Sag Moon and Saturn Rx conjunction and Virgo Merc-Pluto conjunction in the 9th house, "God talk" comes easily for me. Yet my Leo Sun in the 8th and Leo Uranus bouncing between the 8th and 9th (depending on house system) seems not to have a great propensity for being on a theological track through a typical seminary because I usually can't buy far enough into the particular movement's ideology to become theologically acceptable by the status quo enough to get myself graduated. Besides, after my sojourn into seminary land, I don't want to have to put important pieces of myself up (i.e. astrology, energy healing, crystal work and the like) on a very hidden shelf to get through the "education" process. I am unwilling to sacrifice my total self in order to be an acceptable self to the seminarians.

I really don't see myself going on with academic formal education, even with what I have natally in the 9th house along with the "train" of 2nd-P and SA planets currently in the 9th (2nd-P Sun, Moon, Merc, Venus, Pluto and SA Sun, Venus and Uranus—although SA Uranus is almost exactly conjunct my MC). My 1st house also has SA Jupiter, NN and Neptune in it, with SA Neptune parked within my Moon-Saturn Rx conjunction. Oh, and just for giggles, let's not forget transiting Pluto in the 1st, transiting Saturn in the 8th, transiting Neptune in the 2nd, tranisting Uranus in the 3rd and transiting Jupiter in the 11th.

Of course, I have always had someone in my adult life urging me on to the doctorate level...although that absolutely did not happen at seminary. I just don't have the interest or the energy to fight the academic battles to get a set of letters behind my name I might never use.

**SIGH**

Elianah

[Kite]

First off Elianah, I think it would help to acknowledge the Regulus conjunction to your Merucy/Pluto AND Ceres conjunction you have at 0 Virgo in 9. I have Regulus conjunct Pluto as well in 7 and have tended to project the royal attributes onto my mate.

With Mercury ruling your 7th and MC and Pluto ruling your 12th, ruler of 11 in 7 and ruler of 9 in 8, you have strong linkages all around in the upper half of your chart touching upon wide range of the areas you mentioned you didn't want to shelve.

Have you looked into transpersonal psychology? I throw that out because it would probably be the closest field to what you're talking about that would allow you to be most of who you are.

Kite

[Elianah]

First off Elianah, I think it would help to acknowledge the Regulus conjunction to your Merucy/Pluto AND Ceres conjunction you have at 0 Virgo in 9. I have Regulus conjunct Pluto as well in 7 and have tended to project the royal attributes onto my mate.

I'm not sure where you are going with this since I have not studied the fixed stars. I am not sure how Regulus figures into this. I didn't project the "doctorate procurement" issue onto others. For intstance, last night the topic came out of the blue from the other person and was unrelated to anything that was discussed in the group. I didn't even say much last night. I guess I am just a bit confused by your analysis.

With Mercury ruling your 7th and MC and Pluto ruling your 12th, ruler of 11 in 7 and ruler of 9 in 8, you have strong linkages all around in the upper half of your chart touching upon wide range of the areas you mentioned you didn't want to shelve.

Yes, I see that.

Have you looked into transpersonal psychology? I throw that out because it would probably be the closest field to what you're talking about that would allow you to be most of who you are.

Mmm...I'm Okay, You're Okay. I'm a little more of a Jungian than transpersonal. Anyway, it would mean going back to get yet another degree...or two...or three. I have 2.75 degrees I am not using at this point and I am still paying on them, along with being in a low paying job with no future.

And I am whining and I know it.

***SIGH***

Elianah

[Kite]

I'm not sure where you are going with this since I have not studied the fixed stars. I am not sure how Regulus figures into this. I didn't project the "doctorate procurement" issue onto others. For intstance, last night the topic came out of the blue from the other person and was unrelated to anything that was discussed in the group. I didn't even say much last night. I guess I am just a bit confused by your analysis.

My fault I was not very clear. Regulus is known as the most powerful of the 4 Royal Stars. The others are Anteres, Aldebaran and Fomalhaut.

They represent the stars of the fixed cross - Leo, Scorpio, Taurus and Aquarius respectively. They are embedded in biblical scripture as representing the Four Faces of the Cherubim: Lion, Eagle, Ox and Face of Man. Also represents the four principle Tribes of Israel: Judah, Dan. Joseph and Rueben and into the New Testament beginning with the four wisemen following the stars.

These also represent Fire, Water, Earth and Wind as we know in astrology along with the characteristics of each. Regulus symbolizes the fire and the heart. If conjuncts your Mercury/Ceres/Pluto conjunction in the 9th house. Regulus is also known as King and in the biblical context, the Kingdom of God.

Your placement would indicate being touched by the Kingdom of God and with Mercury/Pluto and Ceres, working to communicate it, transform with it and nurture with it.

You also have Antares at 9 Sag 11 conjuncting your Ascendant and Aldebaran conjuncting your descendant at 9 Gemini 13. Fomalhaut is at 3 Pisces 17, opposing your Pluto/Mercury/Ceres/Regulus stellium.

It would seem to me that you feel compelled to put the spirituality back into religion so that it can nurture and transform people through the heart.

Kite

[Elianah]

It is also said that the four wisemen were also astrologers. Picked that up on a History Channel program... :wink:

Anyhoo...I see what you are saying and it makes sense. I remember one of the people who was urging me to complete my thesis when I was still in NYC kept saying that the complementary medicine field (polarity therapy, reiki, shiatsu, etc.) needed people like me who could bridge the gap and could easily present the spirituallity component in both traditional and New Age terms depending on the audience.

Of course, this fixed star grand cross does not explain my theatre professor who wanted me to go on and get a theatre PhD. Then again, no one could explain Keith...

Elianah

[sita]

Elianah,
Have you considered becomming a pastoral lighworker? You can get certfied as a Minister of Light and counsel , marry, perform ritual ceremonies, bless babies, offer rites to the dying, etc. Sort of like a Newer Age rabbi or priest or minister, without the traditional ball and chain that interferes with your personal expression of your devotion. . You would be able to incorpoate all the energy work and healing modalitiies you currentlty use, and share them with others as a healer. This sharing would also increase your skills in these areas, and you would continue to grow in this direction.

You could counsel, but I wouldn't expect you to be intereted in being a therapist or a psychologist per se. Being a therapist I'm guessing would be too emotional, and not intellectual enough for you. Not that there's anything wrong with emotions, but you have a supercharged intellect and an accompanying poise to deliver your wisdomt (?), and I believe this is a rare gift that is yours to possess and share. I'd hate to see your energies diverted away from where you could be of best service.

I believe you might find being a minister would provide you with esteem from the community you seek (?) and would also allow you to continue with the structure of theology that excites you (?) This might also give your freedom to uphold your personal traditions and continue to evolve them without feeling like you had to adhere to archaic formal traditions that no longer serve your new level of knowledge and understnding. You wouldn't have to junk anything you love, and all aspects of your spirituality might be served..

I know people who have done this, and they don't necessarily bring in the bitg bucks,, but they provide right spiritual services to those seeking them. And they didn't have to accumalte mass debt in order to attain this goal. I'm not sure what is involved in becomming a Minster of Light , but I'm sure you wouldn't have to look too hard to find more information. You wouldn't get the same kind of respect a rabbi would, but you would have the freedom to make your ministry inherently yours, which might satisfy the Divine within you even more.

Just some thoughts I had as I was driving back from the co-op.

Take what fits and ditch the rest :wink: :D

Sita

[Elianah]

Hi Sita,

I've actually have contemplated doing a Jewish spiritual direction program as well as a Jewish shamanic healing program at Elat Chayyim, which seem right up my alley. The next two year cycle for the Shamaninc Healing program starts this summer and the spiritual direction program the following. I do want to work in the Jewish community with my experience.

Of course, the thing that has held me back is affording this on a temp's salary. Trying to come up with $2,500 for each has not been possible these last three years. I barely get enough income to pay my student loans and medical bills each month.

And I am whining again and I apologize.

Elianah

P.S.: Just finished reading the Kryon post Arien Maverick put into the Channelled Material thread in the Spiritual Realm. The strange thing is that I knew that information before I read it, which doesn't surprise me in the least. I think what is hard for me is that intellectually and spiritually I believe in what Kryon says about manifesting like the masters but emotionally I can't get beyond the familial stories of hard struggle. ARGH!