Venus application to Jupiter, turned 8th ruler)

[cassanra]

I was curious about that phrase. When I was looking at this chart in reference to a relationship with someone whos father had recently died it ws noted that venus application to jupiter (turned 8th house ruler). I am not sure what that means. I can see that jupiter is in the second and is ruler of the second and that merc should be ruler...can anyone fill me in as it was something I was not familiar with ...

[archergirl]

I was using the turned 8th as it pertained to the partner, whose father had died. We could just as easily look at the radix 8th house for these things. Often, it's a good idea to look at both.:p

The 8th house, whether turned or radix, represents fear and anguish. It does represent death, and legacies, wills, and all fiduciary things associated with death. In this case, since the partner was applying to Jupiter, in the context of the question (it is always very important to consider context), the thing that made the most sense was that the partner was preoccupied with matters pertaining to his 8th house: fear, anguish, sorrow...so, using the turned house sort of represents *his* take on things.

Using the 2nd house to represent itself, this would indicate that the partner was preoccupied with things financial; this could also be something to think about, since he is doing a lot of travelling to visit a family member who may or may not be in good shape physically OR financially. Not knowing enough about the situation, we astrologers can only guess...but we can definitely say that Venus was preoccupied with something financial, and was not in very good shape to 'perform' the rest of the question.

You will also note in this chart that Mercury, ruler of the 8th, or the partner's 2nd house, applies to Venus; Venus reaches Jupiter, and then Mercury reaches Venus. Either way you turn it, the partner is preoccupied with issues related to these two houses.

AG:)

[cassanra]

Thanks...after I scratched my head a little and went back to the books I sort of figured it out...I keep forgetting about derived houses and the context of the question. Its like you can put everything in the same darn box:)