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ALST123
08-20-2008, 09:26 AM
Hi,

I am a single Mom with 2 lovely kids aged 8 and 6. I would like to have at least one more child in my lifetime, but only if I find a good man to settle down with again, and we have a really good relationship together.

Here's the chart:-

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff13/ALST123/astro_2gw_99_will_i_have_any_more_c.gif

From the look of it I would say no. I am Venus, the children are Saturn. They are separating from a conjunction which occurred 7 degrees ago (interesting as my son is 6 1/2). Moon and Saturn are also separating from a minor angle (another no).

Any more thoughts?

Thanks,
Ax.

archergirl
08-20-2008, 10:44 AM
Hi ALST123,

I'm afraid the answer is definitely 'no': Saturn rules the 5th cusp, in a barren sign, and sits Under the Beams; the Moon is in a semi-barren sign and applies to square Jupiter rx, another significator of children. What's more, it appears, from this chart, that the issue is less about children than it is about finding a man to settle down with: the Moon is on the 7th cusp, and Mars is hidden in the 12th: you can't find one. Neptune retrogrades over the 5th cusp: wishful thinking. :(

Sorry...
AG:)

BobZemco
08-20-2008, 11:14 AM
From the look of it I would say no. I am Venus, the children are Saturn. They are separating from a conjunction which occurred 7 degrees ago (interesting as my son is 6 1/2). Moon and Saturn are also separating from a minor angle (another no).

Any more thoughts?

Thanks,
Ax.

I'm very new at this, but it's actually 7 degrees 23 minutes, or 7.3 degrees.

Leo is fixed and the 11th is succedent, so the time is calculated in years.

Your son is 6 years 6 months, adding the 9 months going back to the date of conception would be 7 years 3 months, or 7.25 years (compare with 7.3 degrees).

I also say 'no' but my reasoning wasn't as good as yours or archergirl. I need more practice.

ALST123
08-20-2008, 12:03 PM
Absolutely right, Archergirl, in a nutshell! Where are all the good guys?! Perhaps I should ask when I will find one of those, otherwise the words "cart", "before" and "horse" spring to mind!

Thanks for your thoughts too, Bob. I thought the 7 degrees could hint at the conception too.

Back to the drawing board!

Smiles,
Ax.

DiDi
08-20-2008, 11:19 PM
just a thought here..
if you can keep a good mind outa your thoughts for a while.. hehe i know easier said than done believe me:D
things can change, there is allways free will!

BobZemco
08-21-2008, 07:05 AM
just a thought here..
if you can keep a good mind outa your thoughts for a while.. hehe i know easier said than done believe me:D
things can change, there is allways free will!

How does that work exactly? I've seen conflicting information regarding the length of time an horary chart is valid. The most common answer seems to be it's valid for 3 months.

The reason I ask is because my initial impression of the chart (understand I'm new to this) was that she could have another child. I was looking at the Venus applying opposition to Uranus, ruler of the 5th, and then the 4th house (endings) from the 5th House (the 8th) which Venus rules. It appeared to me to suggest she can't now because she has obstacles to overcome, and provided she overcomes them, she would, about 4 1/2 years from now.

That might be off base, but there's only one way to find out.

ALST123
08-21-2008, 08:38 AM
WooHooo! Thanks Bob! Just a little glimmer of hope there, which is great!! Could you shed any light on what obstacles exactly?

Thanks so much,
Ax.

archergirl
08-21-2008, 11:51 AM
Sorry, mate, Uranus is NOT the ruler of the 5th; Saturn is. :) Outer planets should be used as secondary considerations to the Main Seven...an applying opposition isn't especially encouraging! I wouldn't want Uranus to be a significator for anything important, anyhow; in horary Uranus (and the other outer planets) act like slightly malefic fixed stars.

But I agree; no horary chart (nor any human life) is set in stone. The best way to find out is to get to a place where there's an opportunity, and then see for yourself.

AG:)

BobZemco
08-22-2008, 02:11 AM
I wouldn't want Uranus to be a significator for anything important, anyhow; in horary Uranus (and the other outer planets) act like slightly malefic fixed stars.

Okay, that makes perfect sense to me.

BobZemco
08-22-2008, 02:18 AM
WooHooo! Thanks Bob! Just a little glimmer of hope there, which is great!! Could you shed any light on what obstacles exactly?

Thanks so much,
Ax.

Like I said, I'm way too new at this, that was just my initial impression and I think the other quite correctly nailed down the obstacles.

In the mean time, why don't you check your progressions and do a solar return for about 4 years from now or so? And stop trying so hard. One day you'll be in the check-out at Sainsbury's and start chatting it up with a nice fellow and the rest will be history.

fensi88
08-22-2008, 05:28 AM
ALST123, I think you will have more children!
Do you see that Me which translate the light from Sa, ruler of 5 house, children, to Ve, ruler of you? That is "yes" answer to your question!!:)

archergirl
08-22-2008, 08:46 AM
Hi Goca,

I'm not sure a translation from Mercury will do it in this chart...Saturn is not dignified, nor is Venus: both are in barren signs, do not behold the Moon, and Venus/Mercury are ill-placed in the 12th. If Saturn OR Venus was dignified (i.e. in Libra) then I would say 'definitely'; but Mercury is an infertile planet in an infertile sign, so I don't see how it can help, despite it being dignified.:(

You will note, as I mentioned to the querent, the issue in this chart isn't so much about children, but finding a relationship in which to have children.:)

ALST123: The traditional considerations are here (http://www.skyscript.co.uk/pregnancy.html).

AG:)

BobZemco
08-24-2008, 11:20 PM
You will note, as I mentioned to the querent, the issue in this chart isn't so much about children, but finding a relationship in which to have children.

Just to clarify, you got that by looking at the Moon and its apects and sign?

DiDi
08-25-2008, 07:33 AM
BobZemco
I probably shouldnt talk for anyone here, but its my interpetation that archergirl got the result of the reading from the .. percific question that was asked of this horay
I have no idea why my writing went dark sorry .

BobZemco
08-25-2008, 11:09 AM
What I've read about horary is that the Moon has a special role in that describes the events and how they play out. I'm not sure I really understand how it does that.

archergirl
08-25-2008, 03:06 PM
The Moon is often misconstrued as being only the cosignificator of the querent, but what it really represents is the focus and 'thrust' of a question: so yes, the Moon's placement can tell us a lot about what the querent is really asking. Most people don't really know what they're asking, to be honest. They ask about one thing, but underneath that, almost always unspoken, is another question: the real question. The Moon can show us this.

In this chart, ALST123 asked about having another child, but a part of her initial query tells us where her mind really is:but only if I find a good man to settle down with again, and we have a really good relationship together.

The Moon is in the 7th house in this chart, very clearly showing that, although she is ostensibly asking about children, the focus of the question is about partnership. She won't have another child unless she finds a man.

If the Moon were to be in the 1st or 5th, we could easily surmise that ALST123 was willing to have a child by any means, even if there was no man around...the focus would be on the child itself.

But in the 7th? Nah. That means 'man'.;)

AG:)

BobZemco
08-25-2008, 03:25 PM
The Moon is often misconstrued as being only the cosignificator of the querent, but what it really represents is the focus and 'thrust' of a question: so yes, the Moon's placement can tell us a lot about what the querent is really asking. Most people don't really know what they're asking, to be honest. They ask about one thing, but underneath that, almost always unspoken, is another question: the real question. The Moon can show us this.

Because in general the Moon relates to our emotions or emotional state? That would make sense.

In this chart, ALST123 asked about having another child, but a part of her initial query tells us where her mind really is:

The Moon is in the 7th house in this chart, very clearly showing that, although she is ostensibly asking about children, the focus of the question is about partnership. She won't have another child unless she finds a man.

If the Moon were to be in the 1st or 5th, we could easily surmise that ALST123 was willing to have a child by any means, even if there was no man around...the focus would be on the child itself.

Okay, that helps alot.

cassanra
08-26-2008, 12:48 AM
The other thing I noted was the angles are all cardinal signs implying act quickly and assertively...and what does that mean...I have no idea:) The last aspect that moon makes is a square to retrograde jupiter at the cusp of the 4th house. Maybe someone else coming into your family is not so good timing right now...maybe wait a little. Have you been in a recent relationship? or are in one now where things are not going so well? The aspect , though mino ,between sun and moon implies irritations and annoyances. With venus conjunct mer calready is there already someone but you wish it were different? since merc rules your 12th house? Saturn the ruler of your 4th house is not in a good condition being peregrine but is in your trip. and term so is dignified. Jupiter on the 4th cusp maybe things are not going so well. You either had someone in your life who was not going so well for the fmaily or not what you wanted exactly. I feel confused by this chart. Can you fill us in on your sitatuion? I am reaching too far on this one? It can be amazing sometimes how much a chart can reveal but I am still learning and Archer girl excelllent at this;)

BobZemco
08-26-2008, 05:45 AM
The other thing I noted was the angles are all cardinal signs implying act quickly and assertively...and what does that mean...I have no idea.

It just means the potential for dynamic action. In her case, that's certainly better than having fixed or mutable signs.

ALST123
08-29-2008, 09:12 PM
Ok Cassandra, hmmm my situation. Well, I guess my situation backs up what Archergirl has been saying about the question ostensibly being about finding a good man first. To explain:-

I am still currently mid-divorce (this has been going on for 3 - yes 3! - years now since my ex-husband left the children and myself). He is the cause of irritation etc... When we got married I certainly didn't think it would turn out like that. (I hope that didn't sound like ranting.).

A year after he left (by which time we had definitely decided to call it quits btw), I got in contact with an ex boyfriend. He was now living in Australia. It is with him that I now wish things could have been different, but he is already taken (although I don't think happily so). I feel I chose the wrong man (my ex-Husband) 14 years ago, and should have married Mr Australia ("the one who got away"). You live and learn! Mr Australia and I are currently mid-argument which started a year ago about all this - so I guess that's a cause of frustration too - we are not communicating at the mo, which is v. hard.

In the wake of all this, I am questioning whether I am still desirable (I am 35 this year), whether I will ever meet anyone who will be able to reciprocate strong feelings for me, whether I will be able to provide my children with a "good" father figure, and whether I will ever be able to settle down and have more children etc.

No wonder it's a confusing chart! I'm confused myself! ;)

Things used to be much easier when I was 21!

Thanks for so many responses guys. Any comments, Cassandra? Or anyone?

Smiles,
Ax.

BobZemco
08-29-2008, 10:04 PM
In the wake of all this, I am questioning whether I am still desirable (I am 35 this year), whether I will ever meet anyone who will be able to reciprocate strong feelings for me, whether I will be able to provide my children with a "good" father figure, and whether I will ever be able to settle down and have more children etc.

Well, there's the rub. You may have to choose between meeting your needs and meeting the needs of your children. You ought to look at your progressions so you can see when your next "window of opportunity" is and in the mean time work on yourself. Volunteering or getting involved in professional or recreational groups is a good way to do something nice for yourself and be around others who have similar interests. If your natal chart or progressed planets are mostly in the west, you're heavily reliant on others because your fate is intertwined with them. If you're involved in a gardening club or something, you never know who other people know or are connected too.

ALST123
08-29-2008, 10:39 PM
Hi Bob,

I don't really know how to look at (or make sense of progressions), forgive me! Here's my natal chart:-

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff13/ALST123/Andreasbirthchart.gif

And, well, I'm confused (again). Are most of my planets in the East?

And yes, I always put the needs of my children above my own. :)

I guess when the time is right, the time is right, and that's that. I have just always had a boyfriend, it is really quite odd not to have a significant other. Maybe that is one of my life lessons. Love and being loved are extremely important to me (Venus in natal H1).

Ax.

DiDi
08-30-2008, 05:16 AM
hi, as someone whom has gone through this 12 years ago now id like to offer a sugestion.
Going backwards and forlonging what could have been will only stagnate you and keep you from evolving in your life of new opportunities and new loves and new ventures.
If the children are happy and you are happy and you have money to sustain your life, you have support systems and people.. then start being open to new possibilities in what ever area you choose.

If its a new relationship, go to places you dont normally go to.
Go to a place of interest that you are interested in, that way youl have things in common with the person you meet.
change you hair style or your clothing style get fit...

what im trying to say is do something for yourself that you will feel good and give you more self esteem.. men are attracted to women with self esteem and no baggage like left over emotions.
when your together then mr opportunity will come seek you.

ALST123
08-30-2008, 11:42 AM
Thank you DiDi, that's really kind. Onward and upward...

Ax.

BobZemco
08-30-2008, 02:33 PM
And, well, I'm confused (again). Are most of my planets in the East?

With 7 in the East? Yes, and they have not progressed out of that.

And yes, I always put the needs of my children above my own.

That's fine, so long as it doesn't interfere with your needs. Children need attention, but not excessively so.

I have just always had a boyfriend, it is really quite odd not to have a significant other.

The two questions I always ask a women are "How long have you lived by yourself?" and "How long has it been since your last serious relationship?"

If the answer to the first question isn't 1 year or more and the answer to the 2nd isn't 6 months or more, I run away.

Maybe that is one of my life lessons. Love and being loved are extremely important to me (Venus in natal H1).

I don't see Venus in the 1st House. What I see is Venus in Capricorn in the 1st House ruling the 4th and 5th Houses and the ruler of the 1st opposing the Ascendant and that you're insecure because you're afraid of rejection, and that marriage, children, and domestic life are status symbols to compenste for your insecurity. You're dedicated, but self-centered and like to be spoiled, and with Venus in a T-Square with Mars/Uranus, you choose the wrong relationships and get bored with them quickly.

In about 3 years, you have progressed Venus going retrograde with some really nice transits on that day, like Venus conjuncting you MC while Pluto (ruling your 10th and 11th Houses) conjuncts your Ascendant, and your progressed Moon will be conjuncting progressed Mars (and no I don't use 18 degree orbs).

I don't know if you're getting married or having a child, but one thing's for sure, if you do nothing, nothing will happen very slowly.

Your progressed Sun is in your 1st House. Your natal Sun rules firey Leo and the House of Death, so now would be a great time to kill the "old" you and emerge out of the ashes like the Phoenix. Your progressed Mercury is conjuncting your Ascendant and rules your natal 9th and your 9th House cups has progressed to the MC and is about to conjunct it. Are you involved in any church groups? Any legal activist groups in your community? You might want to look there.

ALST123
08-30-2008, 07:33 PM
Wow, Bob, what a lot of detail.

With 7 in the East? Yes, and they have not progressed out of that.

Perhaps my fate isn't so intertwined with other's then.

you're insecure because you're afraid of rejection, and that marriage, children, and domestic life are status symbols to compenste for your insecurity. You're dedicated, but self-centered and like to be spoiled, and with Venus in a T-Square with Mars/Uranus, you choose the wrong relationships and get bored with them quickly.

What's your point? (Only joking!). Well, I guess I'll have to take a long hard look at myself. I'll also have to make sure I make the right choice next time.

Are you involved in any church groups? Any legal activist groups in your community? You might want to look there.

Yes, I am involved in Church groups, but am also thinking about doing post-grad study.