Indicators of Musical Talent in a Natal Chart

[Arian Maverick]

I have been curious about this for a while, since I have considerable musical talent that cannot entirely be explained through heredity...are there any specific astrological influences that may indicate a natural inclination towards the arts?

My chart can be found here (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=963&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=8). Thanks! :mrgreen:

Aquarian Maverick

[5th house moon]

Hey AM

Great question! Looking forward to the responses.

Would you mind if we include 'singing talent' in this post? Happy to start another thread if you like!

PS I recall reading that venus/tauras/libra positionings/aspects can be indicative of musical talent, as well as neptune/pisces. Neptune positioning/aspects can also indicate dancing ability. Tauras rules the throat, so it may also be indicative of singing talent.

PS: This is an interesting article on Kate Bush, in case you are interested:

http://www.astrology21.co.uk/p1katebush.html

It talks about a strong Uranian influence (set off by transits). Funny, but I know several very successful professional musicians who have a strong Aquarius configuration in their respective charts.


Cheers

5th

[Arian Maverick]

Would you mind if we include 'singing talent' in this post? Happy to start another thread if you like!

Of course not! Singing was a musical talent the last time I checked :wink:

Thanks for the article! :mrgreen:

Aquarian Maverick

[5th house moon]

Thanks my dear!

With refence to your musical ability - what instrument/s do you play? I wonder if we can get that specific in terms of breaking it down atsrologically (you know....hands/arms for strings/keyboard.....lungs/mouth for wind instruments....coordination/rythm for drums etc)

Am I going off on a crazy tangent???? (Uranus in 3rd speaking)

:P

5th

[Lunar Pisces]

Music is mainly the domain of Pisces and Neptune - that ethereal ability to express emotional and abtract thought through something that transcends concete language in very Neptunian.

Naturally I'd first look at your Neptune in the 12th - that would give you a kind of "musical soul."

With Neptune in Capricorn and conjunct Saturn, this may indicate technical skill, but one you would have to work at acquiring. This also may indicate a sens eof musical refinement or highly selective tastes.

Neptune sqauring Aries planets is interesting. I know several Aries musicians and they tend to be very outgoing and impulsive. They are good at performing and prefer very energetic and dramatic music.

Also, having the Aries stellium in the 2nd is an indicator of Venusian tendencies, which include artistic and even musical expression.

Some other things to like at:

Where is your Pallas? Pallas is often a good indicator of skills.

Check out your 5th harmonics (skills) and 7th harmonics (talent). In particular:

Quintiles (72 degrees) and Biquintiles (144 degress) these 5th harmonics aspects may indicate natural skills or ease of learning. These would be espeically significant re: music talent if they involved Neptune, Venus, moon, Pluto or Mercury. Deciles (36 degrees) may count too, but are to Quintiles as sextiles are to trines: same idea, just not as strong.

Septiles (51-52 degrees) and Biseptiles (102-103 degrees): these 7th harmonic aspects may indiacte natrual talent or intution, perhaps a "preknowledge" that comes to the surface from the subconscious. Look for the same planets re: musical talent.

Also look for those apsect with Pallas, or other significant asteriods in your chart.

I have consider musical talent too, and I have a Pis moon-Gem Venus quintile and a Tau Pallas-Aqua Mars quintile.

[Arian Maverick]

With refence to your musical ability - what instrument/s do you play? I wonder if we can get that specific in terms of breaking it down atsrologically (you know....hands/arms for strings/keyboard.....lungs/mouth for wind instruments....coordination/rythm for drums etc)

That's such a great idea; I didn't even think to mention it!

I find myself most comfortable with woodwind instruments...I have played the flute for almost eight years now, and I taught myself the saxophone three years ago. I also rented a trumpet and payed for Summer Music School with the money I earned from I scholarship I won in fifth grade...I did this for two summers before I realized it was starting to effect my flute emboucher (brass and woodwind instruments generally don't mix well). Then in seventh grade I dabbled with the French Horn for about two months because the instrument was sorely needed in band, and I had an big advantage due to my prior trumpet experience. Fortunately or unfortunately, I was also becomming more serious with my flute playing by this time and began to audition for some prestigious groups; again, the completely different embouchers required by each instrument gave me difficulty with each individually, and I had to make a decision about instrument I wished to continued. Obviously, I continued my flute.

I haven't touched any brass instruments since that time, but like I said earlier, I taught myself the saxophone the summer before eighth grade because of instrumentation imbalances in the band. I have been playing it in marching band ever since, and I was even lead alto in Jazz Ensemble my freshman year. It's so much fun to go between the flute and saxophone...the fingerings are extremely similar to each other so I can go back and forth with ease, yet they play such different roles in a musical ensemble (pun intended). Whereas the flute almost always has the melody--boring!--the saxophone has all of these cool harmony parts, not to mention some pieces require some serious jazz flavor! :mrgreen:

I'm sorry, I know I'm getting carried away...but I eat, live, and breathe music!

Aquarian Maverick

P.S. Now that I think about it, I think I've heard that Mars in Gemini inclines one to be good with their fingers...and playing difficult passages requiring fast finger work is one of my specialties! It helps me channel some of my nervous energy :wink:

[Arian Maverick]

Music is mainly the domain of Pisces and Neptune - that ethereal ability to express emotional and abtract thought through something that transcends concete language in very Neptunian.

Naturally I'd first look at your Neptune in the 12th - that would give you a kind of "musical soul."

With Neptune in Capricorn and conjunct Saturn, this may indicate technical skill, but one you would have to work at acquiring. This also may indicate a sens eof musical refinement or highly selective tastes.

Neptune sqauring Aries planets is interesting. I know several Aries musicians and they tend to be very outgoing and impulsive. They are good at performing and prefer very energetic and dramatic music.

Also, having the Aries stellium in the 2nd is an indicator of Venusian tendencies, which include artistic and even musical expression.

Some other things to like at:

Where is your Pallas? Pallas is often a good indicator of skills.

Check out your 5th harmonics (skills) and 7th harmonics (talent). In particular:

Quintiles (72 degrees) and Biquintiles (144 degress) these 5th harmonics aspects may indicate natural skills or ease of learning. These would be espeically significant re: music talent if they involved Neptune, Venus, moon, Pluto or Mercury. Deciles (36 degrees) may count too, but are to Quintiles as sextiles are to trines: same idea, just not as strong.

Septiles (51-52 degrees) and Biseptiles (102-103 degrees): these 7th harmonic aspects may indiacte natrual talent or intution, perhaps a "preknowledge" that comes to the surface from the subconscious. Look for the same planets re: musical talent.

Also look for those apsect with Pallas, or other significant asteriods in your chart.

I have consider musical talent too, and I have a Pis moon-Gem Venus quintile and a Tau Pallas-Aqua Mars quintile.

This was such a great post, Lunar Pisces! I didn't notice it right away because I was attempting to edit my last rambling message, making it somewhat coherent despite my obvious excitement :roll:

I have my natal Pallas at 19 Pisces 56'24"--there's that Pisces influence again! :wink:

EDIT: I just checked my 7th Harmonic Chart and discovered that I have a Kite configurating involving a Grand Trine between my Ascendent, Descendent, and my Aries stellium, which is opposite Chiron. Pallas is almost exactly opposite this stellium, but it is not involved in the Kite configuration...Chiron is closer to the midpoint between my Ascendent and my Descendent.

There is another Kite configuration involving the same Grand Trine previously mentioned, except my Ascendent is opposite Mars in Virgo.

I also seem to have a yod configuration with Chiron sextile my Ascendent, both inconjunct apex Pluto in Leo...and I think I may have a Mystic Rectangle in the mix.

My 9th Harmonic Chart also looks interesting with a Grand Trine between Pallas, Mercury, and a tight Saturn/Moon conjunction and other one involving my Midheaven, Pluto/Jupiter (not as tight a conjunction; three degrees apart), and Chrion.

I also have a T-square involving a tight Uranus/Mars conjunction opposite a Sun/Venus conjunction with my Ascendent as apex; another involving that same opposition with the Pluto/Jupiter conjunction as apex. Mercury can also be used in place of the Sun/Venus conjunction, according to the chart...

Aquarian Maverick

[5th house moon]

Cool AM! You are clearly gifted in your ability to play a variety of instruments. (Gotta love the sax! I have one sitting in my living room but haven't dared pick it up. Too beautiful for my novice hands to touch!)

Lunar Pisces made some interesting comments. Have you chcked your chart for quintiles etc? Neptune in 12th would no doubt enhance your musical appreciation/ability.

I write songs and sing. I have just realised (thanks to Lunar Pisces) that my Nep in sco in 5th, conjunct my Moon in sag, conjunct Pallas form a quintile with Venus in aq in 7/8th. MIght have something to do with my love of all things musical, and my great admiration for anyone who can play an instrument with ease.

Am I getting the feeling that you are looking to pursue a career in music? :P

:)

5th

[Kite]

2nd house is the house of talent which you have all that primal Aries and fire...but the ruler on the cusp is Neptune (we both share that). My Neptune is in Scorpio in the 9th house which which gives me some business talents and I operate on a global basis plus I'm a bit of a philosopher with some occult interests.

Your Neptune is in 12 conjunct Saturn in Capricorn (Uranus is also also there from 11). The conjunction sextiles Pluto in Scorpio in 9 so you have a bit of this interest in occult matters too as well as an affiniity for philosophical work. You definately have a drive towards this Piscean area of music with your North Node in Pisces in the 2nd house..but ..you have Jupiter in in Gemini in your 4th house squaring the Nodes which says there is something else at play..and of course all of this in the mutable signs. I wish we could give you one thing to focus on but guess what? You're a multi-tasker - surprise!!

Of course looking at the opposite degree of your Jup in 4 gets us to Sabian 5 Sag in 10 which reads:

245__(5°)
HIGH ON AN OLD TREE,A SOLITARY OWL IS GRAVELY PERCHED Poised observation upon the drama of life. Mellow judgement. Ingrained confidence in the situation and worth of the self.
___*When positive, the degree is exceptional wisdom or effective self-restraint in each detail of personal accomplishment, and when negative, self-betraying intellectual and emotional smugness.


You are an enigma Aquarian Maverick. You can achieve whatever you want - music included although with Saturn on your Neptune..it will take time and receptivity which I believe might go against your grain somewhat. You see my young friend, it's not always about your talents..its also about what fits. What is it that is so easy we take it for granted but others are astonished by how unique and wonderful that gift is. With that stellium of your in 2..you are a powerhouse of energy that can be directed..AS YOU CHOOSE!!!

I was in Israel in 1977 and came to the conclusion that it would be a great place to live because there was no choice..you went in the army, got a related job and lived in an apartment etc. I thought this was great because in the US there were too many choices that were driving me crazy. I then realized that choice was ok as long as one could make one. It's in the debating that one goes crazy.

Kite

[Arian Maverick]

Cool AM! You are clearly gifted in your ability to play a variety of instruments. (Gotta love the sax! I have one sitting in my living room but haven't dared pick it up. Too beautiful for my novice hands to touch!)

Oh yes, I love getting down on that thing! I put heavy vibrato into everything I play (even during marching band season), I bend notes at any available opportunity, I can blast my brains out and still get a decent sound...it's so awesome, and so much fun! :mrgreen:

I would love to get a new sax...I have a great mouthpiece, but I'm still playing the same student instrument I started on. It's perfect for marching band season though...it's so scratched up, I don't care what else happens to it! :)

Lunar Pisces made some interesting comments. Have you chcked your chart for quintiles etc? Neptune in 12th would no doubt enhance your musical appreciation/ability.

Yes, I was just checking out some of my Harmonic charts and made some interesting discoveries...see my last post, you may have finished writing your message before I finished editing my post :wink:

Am I getting the feeling that you are looking to pursue a career in music?

I've been trying to talk myself out of it because I have terrible performance anxiety...but I have a feeling that I'll want to take so many music courses in college that I'm likely to get a degree without meaning too!

You are an enigma Aquarian Maverick. You can achieve whatever you want - music included although with Saturn on your Neptune..it will take time and receptivity which I believe might go against your grain somewhat. You see my young friend, it's not always about your talents..its also about what fits. What is it that is so easy we take it for granted but others are astonished by how unique and wonderful that gift is. With that stellium of your in 2..you are a powerhouse of energy that can be directed..AS YOU CHOOSE!!!

This is so true, Kite! I generally love performing and bask in the spotlight (afterwards, not during a difficult piece, mind you :P ), but the entire audition aspect really grates on me. The atmosphere is so intimidating and downright nasty sometimes...when I used to take private lessons, my flute teacher told me stories of musicians sabotaging the competition through rogue tricks--bending keys, popping springs, and other means to render the instrument severely handicapped.

I was in Israel in 1977 and came to the conclusion that it would be a great place to live because there was no choice..you went in the army, got a related job and lived in an apartment etc. I thought this was great because in the US there were too many choices that were driving me crazy. I then realized that choice was ok as long as one could make one. It's in the debating that one goes crazy.

I know exactly what you mean...although I greatly appreciate the personal freedom in the States, sometimes I wish I knew exactly what my fate entailed and didn't have a choice in the matter :lol:

Aquarian Maverick

[C Jayne]

AM--

My 2 cents worth:

The really great vocalists I've known personally had Venus conjunct Midheaven.

A perspective:
Some people become fire fighters because they like to wear the uniform, and some people do it because they like to ring the bell! :D

I've got Neptune conjunct Saturn in the 12th squaring my Sun and Mercury, but there's a lot of water emphasis on my chart, and I really don't like to have people around me when I play -- I play music for my own pleasure and I'm not a performer.

My husband -- who has a stellium in Cancer -- has some first house emphasis and his Midheaven in Aries. He loves to perform guitar on stage or in sing alongs.

So there you go -- it takes all kinds. Interesting question!

-- C Jayne

[Arian Maverick]

I was reading through my earlier posts and decided that it might be difficult to imagine my harmonic charts without a visual...so for the sake of exploration, here is my Seventh Harmonic Chart:

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/7523/seventhharmonicchart5ci.th.png (http://img96.imageshack.us/my.php?image=seventhharmonicchart5ci.png)

And here is my Ninth Harmonic Chart:

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/1039/ninthharmonicchart1wd.th.png (http://img96.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ninthharmonicchart1wd.png)

Aquarian Maverick

P.S. I made the charts thumbnails so they wouldn't take up the entire page...just click on a chart to bring it up in a seperate window. The image will be scaled down to fit your computer screen; simply click on it again to show it in the original size. :wink:

[m_Adison]

Music is my existence.. . and I I don't know where it came from. I guess it could run on my moms side... but, I have very precocious talent... to excell at a rapid pace.... and learn by ear.

I play piano... religiously... and sing religiously... I was president of my choirs by sophmore year... I write religiously as well... piano composition... music ballads... I love ballads. I write and sing all of my own music.. but, know classics as well... I sang and played in the band growing up... before I even got to high school... by that time I was bored of the instruments I already learned.. because, they were too easy... I went through sax, flute and clarinet - - before I started playing piano.

I am so self-conscious that it makes it hard for me to get onstage.. because, I'm so worried what everyone is thinking... Problem is.. I'm going to pursue music as a career.. but, I'm not a self-starter... (haha).. it *****.. because, I need to get my music... and lyrics heard.

I hate to lose... so, I don't want to compete.... beacuse, I have always been the best. The day I quit choir (well, I was partying, too :) was when I didn't get the solo... for the first time. Talk about idiotic.. I know.. but, I was pissed off. Music is one thing I know I can do ... and do it well... and I hate rejection. The one competition I entered in.. I won. Hands down..I actually won a music scholarship by winning... but, said F -- it. haha... STUPID KIDS. I didn't even want to do it.. because, I'm a freaking lunatic of a perfectionist when it comes to music.. I hear all mistakes.... I can hear everything. I'm very well trained ... but, that isn't even it... I was born singing... I am extremely passionate about singing and playing piano. I couldn't say it more. I feel music... I breathe it.. it is a part of me.. I want to cry when I listen to classical music.. because, it hits straight to my heart... (I love to write classical piano music.. ahhhhhhhh)

Is it in my chart? This is my FINALLY finished chart. I did it right this time!

http://mychart.astrologyweekly.com/files/92198684546-119.gif (http://mychart.astrologyweekly.com)

:mrgreen:

Thanks for the music conversation... it took off a load.

I MISS MY PIANO>>> GGGGGGGRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.

.:.:.:m_Adison:.:.:.

[C Jayne]

Aquarius Maverick --

Young Lady -- you are so bright and so energetic! Here, I get so full of myself and get all puffed up -- but you are WAY over my head!

Tell us what harmonic charts are, how they are computed and what their significance is.

I'm impressed that you did this trick with putting them on the page small and then they spring up to full size. I can do this on a webpage of my own, but not somebody else's!

--C

[C Jayne]

Dear m_Adison--

I lost my first post midway through. Hopefully I won't ***** this up.

Like you, I have Scorpio Ascendant, Leo Midheaven, Aquarius Sun, and I hate to have people hear me play piano, although at various times my passion (not as large as yours) has consumed me. Having music in my life is quite important to me.

I am so self-conscious that it makes it hard for me to get onstage.. because, I'm so worried what everyone is thinking...

1a. The Scorpio Ascendant wants to hide -- too vulnerable -- doesn't want to get scratched by contact with insensitive or less sensitive people.

1b. With all those planets in your personal houses and none, except Pluto, an outer planet, in your outer houses, everything is a personal experience for you -- that outside world is a foreign place. Career isn't a real draw for you (pardon me for not being able to speak about some of the later-discovered planets -- someone else may have a different "take" on this).

1c. With Midheaven in Leo, you will perform when the rest of your personality is ready for you to perform. Leo is the sign of the performer. You've got what it takes.

Problem is.. I'm going to pursue music as a career.. but, I'm not a self-starter... I hate to lose... so, I don't want to compete....

2a. Saturn conjunct Mars makes you really really competitive, you want to assert yourself, but it's also very anxiety-producing for you.

2b. Meanwhile, Saturn in the first house makes you really really want to perform, but it's so important to you it's also very anxiety-producing for you. This will be your life's work -- getting comfortable with performing.

...I'm a freaking lunatic of a perfectionist when it comes to music.. I hear all mistakes....

Pluto in the 12th increases this.

...I feel music... I breathe it.. it is a part of me...

What a marvelous result of that Aquarian stellium! And oh, what a stellium it is! And it sextiles Uranus -- I would think that's where a lot of that musical inclination comes from.

And practically all of those planets oppose your Midheaven!

Your 3rd house stellium makes you want to communicate with others, it is your joy (Venus) and an adventure (Jupiter) and your way of expressing yourself (Mercury ) and what puts you at ease (Moon), and it is the thing you are shaping your entire life around (Sun).

I'm going to get a progressed chart on you to see what progressions have in store. I hope I can do that without the original data -- actual time and name of location. But first, I'll offer this:

Youth is like a bucking bronco -- the hormones it offers provides the energy to accomplish great things, but channeling that energy is the challenge. If you can take good care of your health, you'll still have some energy left when the tornado passes by.

-- C Jayne

[C Jayne]

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http://www.publicupload.com/files/m_Adison_progressed_achart_4lafile5tn7Io-u1141841369.77247.gif (http://www.publicupload.com)

My 2cents worth:

What I missed earlier--

Natal Jupiter and Mercury square your Natal Mars, increasing that tension to achieve.

I've never had much luck with reading the Part of Fortune, but yours sits on the Ascendant in your 12th, which seems to suggest you'll find your fortune in the unknown -- that land Kite (?) calls the closet under the stairs, and you'll trip over it often, since it's right on the Ascendant.

Progressed chart --

Your Progressed Ascendant has just moved into Sagittarius, and you're beginning to realize what an adventure life can be! (Mine did this when I was 18 -- I got out of my tiresome little hometown and felt very free!)

In about a year or year and a half, your Progressed Moon will exit the 12th house and cross over into Sagittarius also. At that time you'll really feel the thrill of the world being your apple!

For now, you are in a period of experimentation and healing (Moon in 12th) -- possibly a time of feeling fragile and confused --

-- and, (Progressed Midheaven has moved into Virgo -- will be there for about ten or fifteen more years) you probably push yourself to all extremes to accomplish whatever you're working on .

Your Progressed Midheaven currently is directly opposite Venus -- does this mean you are finding joy? A woman? Your own femininity? dealing with money?

Try to remember that difficulty -- which we all encounter -- really does squash us into the sense of urgency which can squeeze an artistic accomplishment out of us. You will encounter difficulty. You will get through it. You have your music.

-- C

[wilsontc]

Maverick,

You asked:
I have been curious about this for a while, since I have considerable musical talent...I have played the flute for almost eight years now...taught myself the saxophone...rented a trumpet and payed...dabbled with the French Horn...the fingerings are extremely similar to each other so I can go back and forth with ease...the saxophone has all of these cool harmony parts...I eat, live, and breathe music...I think I've heard that Mars in Gemini inclines one to be good with their fingers...

To add to the comments here...I think that MUSICALITY has to do with Neptune, but it takes some ACTION in order to get up and become a performing musician. I noticed that you have Aries modifying Sun (self-expression, also performing arts, Sun in sign of exaltation, strong energy) so there is an urge to perform in some way. Going back to your Yods, I noticed that There is a Yod between Pisces (spirituality, also musicality) modifying North node (future goals) and Uranus (friends, also innovation) conjunct (energy is combined with) Neptune all focused on Leo (self-expression, also performing arts) modifying Descendant (others). Add to this that you have a stellium (collection of energy) in Aries (being, also action) focused in the 2nd house (physical) sextile Gemini (thinking, also Gemini rules the hands) modifying Mars (being, also action).

I interpret this as an urge to actively, manually perform music innovatively before others. There is a sense of performing for others which comes out in the combination of these aspects (and in your stories! ;) ). We may have solved the great Yod mystery as to what do you DO with all this Yod energy in your chart! :)

Yoding along,

Tim

[wilsontc]

Maverick,

You asked:
I have been curious about this for a while, since I have considerable musical talent...I have played the flute for almost eight years now...taught myself the saxophone...rented a trumpet and payed...dabbled with the French Horn...the fingerings are extremely similar to each other so I can go back and forth with ease...the saxophone has all of these cool harmony parts...I eat, live, and breathe music...I think I've heard that Mars in Gemini inclines one to be good with their fingers...

To add to the comments here...I think that MUSICALITY has to do with Neptune, but it takes some ACTION in order to get up and become a performing musician. I noticed that you have Aries modifying Sun (self-expression, also performing arts, Sun in sign of exaltation, strong energy) so there is an urge to perform in some way. Going back to your Yods, I noticed that There is a Yod between Pisces (spirituality, also musicality) modifying North node (future goals) and Uranus (friends, also innovation) conjunct (energy is combined with) Neptune all focused on Leo (self-expression, also performing arts) modifying Descendant (others). Add to this that you have a stellium (collection of energy) in Aries (being, also action) focused in the 2nd house (physical) sextile Gemini (thinking, also Gemini rules the hands) modifying Mars (being, also action).

I interpret this as an urge to actively, manually perform music innovatively before others. There is a sense of performing for others which comes out in the combination of these aspects (and in your stories! ;) ). We may have solved the great Yod mystery as to what do you DO with all this Yod energy in your chart! :)

Yoding along,

Tim

[m_Adison]

Thank you so much for your words of wisdom.

I'm not at my computer at the moment... so, I can't write long.

-Now, when your chart progresses.. what does that mean? That my sign will change as the years progress?

hmm..

Interesting... my other best friend is a Sag. We are like two peas in a pod. I have two best friends... a leo and a sag. With leo I have fun... with sag I'm more emotional.

I'm going to check out a book or two to understand more about astrology. I think I've check them all out here before.. but, maybe they will have something new? :)

Thanks again for your insight.. I'll read it more in depth when I get home.

-Cheers!

:mrgreen:

[Arian Maverick]

I have created a Discussion of Natal Chart Progressions (http://astrologyweekly.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=7618#7618) to continue--you guessed it--the discussion began on this thread about natal chart progressions. It's about time this was given its own board! :mrgreen:

Aquarian Maverick

[Mia]

Hi Everybody

I performed for many years singing with bands, duos, large dance bands etc. singing many different styles of music. I suppose I naturally fall into the catagory of blues/soul and was once told by a black singer I worked with that I sounded more black than her! I have also taught drama and and ran a children's drama group. For the past few years however, I've not done much in these areas but feel I may be moving back into performing maybe. Does anyone see any indication of this in my chart I wonder?

Just for the record also, my mum has always told me that I used to sit and 'rock' as a baby whenever I heard music, even before I could walk. Music and rhythm has always been so natural to me and especially harmony singing which I love and which I also do naturally. I can do three part harmonies in my head and sometimes prefare harmony singing to melody because such a wonderful sound can be created. I also like to pass this on to a choir and have them sing the different parts, it's such a joy! I also play guitar, mainly self taught and I am a good rhythm guitarist; better than my partner who is a musician and plays many instruments (he's a gemini and very good at what he does) but he always tells me how good a rhythm guitarist I am and again, it's that natural thing I feel. I was born June 28 1955 at 07.05 Liverpool, UK.

Thanks
Mia :wink:

[Arian Maverick]

Mia- did you use the 24-hour clock for your birth time, so you were born at 7:05 AM?

Here is your natal chart set for this time, which I will remove if my assumptions prove incorrect:

http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/3160/mianatalchart7ag.png (http://imageshack.us)

Aquarian Maverick

[Mia]

:wink: Yep Aqua Mav

That's my chart! Thanks for providing the great service you do in putting the charts up.

Mia

[Arian Maverick]

That's my chart! Thanks for providing the great service you do in putting the charts up.

No problem...I am looking forward to discovering more astrological indicators of musical talent :)

Aquarian Maverick

[wilsontc]

Mia,

People with talents tend to have charts which indicate those talents, and yours is no exception! ;) You have a bundle chart with Neptune (spirituality) also musicality) trine (energy goes very easily with) Gemini (rules the handles) modifying Mercury (thinking, also talking) conjunct (energy is combined with) Venus (physical/relationships, music).

Bundle chart description From Tracy Marks' The Art of Astrological Chart Interpretation:
Bundle pattern - "All planets are contained within a trine - 120 degrees, or...a maximum of 130 degrees...self-contained, focused personality who resourcefully concentrates...[their] energy upon a limited area of life, indicated by the signs and houses occupied by planets...This individual...has the capacity to develop...[their] resources to the utmost. The...[the first planet to have crossed the ascendant, moving clockwise] often indicates energy which may be used to achieve in the area of life indicated by the far midpoint of the bundle."

The first planet to have crossed your Ascendant is Leo (self-expression, also performing arts) Uranus (friends, also innovation), so there may be an innovative style to your music. Also the midpoint of the bundle is focused on the 8th house (transformation, also power, control), so you may get power out of your performances somehow. Perhaps composing is a "power position" in some way for you, such as "I also like to...have them [the choir] sing the different parts", perhaps suggesting that you "control" the choir in some way.

In addition you have North node (future goals) focused in the 5th house (self-expression, also performing arts), and an Easy Opposition focused on Leo modifying Pluto (transformation, also power, control) focused in the 2nd house (associated with Taurus, which rules the throat). Add to this that you have unaspected (strong energy) Scorpio (transformation, also power, control) Saturn (duty, also career, structure) focused in the 5th house (self-expression, also performing arts) and a powerful performing career seems pretty likely!

Transiting (planets in the sky) Jupiter (expansion) is currently moving through your 5th house, perhaps making you feel a little more "expansive" about performing again. In addition, transiting Jupiter is conjuncting Saturn and transiting Saturn is conjuncting Jupiter, a "double whammy" (as it is called), indicating two energy connections of "expanding career" going on right now, intensifying the urge to "do something" about your career.

Charting,

Tim

[Arian Maverick]

People with exceptional talents tend to have exceptional charts and yours is no exception!

So I guess I am the exception then? :(

Oh well...**** my insecurities! :evil:

Aquarian Maverick

[m_Adison]

I hear ya.

:mrgreen:

God.. Tim, don't you have any compassion?

:lol:

[Arian Maverick]

God.. Tim, don't you have any compassion?

Tim's a triple Virgo...I believe we can forgive him! :wink:

And I'm a double Aries with a major stellium in my second house, which means I constantly seek attention and reassurance because I don't trust my own abilities :?

Aquarian Maverick

[Arian Maverick]

Attempting to get back on topic, I pose a question to the general community at large: does any have any observations about Mia's or M_Adison's Harmonic Charts, which I have posted below along with my own?

I noticed that Mia has a Kite in her Seventh Harmonic Chart (just as I do) involving a Grand Trine between her Sun in Aquarius, Venus in Libra, and Mars in Gemini, with her Sun-Ascendent opposition completing the configuration. Both of our Kites are focused on the Sun and involve our Ascendent and Venus...and my second Kite also includes Mars! To sweeten the deal, Mia's Pholus is located in Pisces in her Seventh Harmonic Chart, while mine is located in Pisces in my natal chart!

M_Adison does not have any Grand Trines in her* Seventh Harmonic Chart, but she does possess a Mystic Rectangle involving her Midheaven in Aquarius opposite her Leo and Mars in Sagittarius opposite a tight Sun/Pluto conjunction in Gemini. Also, there are several T-squares with Uranus in Taurus (on cusp of Aries) as the apex, square Saturn in Capricorn (on the cusp of Aquarius). Saturn in turn is opposite the Moon, Venus, and Neptune in Cancer and Chiron in Leo. Another T-square is formed between the same Ascendent/Descendent opposition that is involved in the aforementioned Mystic Rectangle, both square the North Node in Scorpio.

I have reposted our Seventh Harmonic Charts (with only Pallas added) for easier comparison.

Mia:

http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/9817/s7thharmonicchart0fo.th.png (http://img108.imageshack.us/my.php?image=s7thharmonicchart0fo.png)

Beth:

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/7523/seventhharmonicchart5ci.th.png (http://img96.imageshack.us/my.php?image=seventhharmonicchart5ci.png)

M_Adison:

http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/5692/madison7thharmonic8ic.th.png (http://img65.imageshack.us/my.php?image=madison7thharmonic8ic.png)

I have also taken the liberty of searching our Ninth Harmonic Charts for more commonalities, which has led to the interesting discovery that both Mia and I have several T-squares involving planets in Aquarius and Scorpio. Mia's first T-square involves Uranus on the cusp of Pisces, but still technically in Aquarius, opposite her Sun in Leo--both square Neptune in Taurus. Her second T-square involves Neptune in Taurus opposite a Pluto/Saturn conjunction in Scorpio--both square her Sun in Leo. These configurations are almost involved in a Grand Cross, but one side of the square is "broken" with Uranus square her North Node instead of the Pluto/Saturn conjunction needed to complete the Cross.

In addition to having two Grand Trine configurations in my Ninth Harmonic Chart--one involving a tight Saturn/Moon conjunction in Taurus, trine Pallas in Sagittarius (on the cusp of Capricorn), trine Mercury in Leo; another involving my Pisces MC trine a Pluto/Jupiter conjunction in Scorpio trine Chrion in Cancer--I also have several T-squares like Mia. My first one involves a tight Uranus/Mars conjunction in Aquarius opposite another tight Sun/Venus conjunction in Leo OR Mercury in Leo, both square my Ascendent in Scorpio. Another T-square involves that same Uranus/Mars conjunction in Aquarius opposite the Sun/Venus conjunction in Leo OR Mercury in Leo, both square my Pluto/Jupiter conjunction in Scorpio. Perhaps I should also mention that the Pluto/Jupiter conjunction is opposite a tight Saturn/Moon conjunction in Capricorn.

I created/uploaded M_Adison's Harmonic Charts and analyzed them only after I had originally written the comparisons above; therefore, I appologize if she is somewhat seperate from the descriptions I have given thus far. Nevertheless, her Ninth Harmonic Chart shares some important similarities with mine, including two Grand Trines--one involves Neptune in Aquarius trine Uranus in Libra, trine Saturn in Gemini; another involves that same Neptune-Uranus aspect trine Jupiter, also located in Gemini. She also has a T-square with her Ascendant in Scorpio opposite Venus in Taurus, both square Neptune in Aquarius.

Here are our Ninth Harmonic Charts (again, with only Pallas added) side by side for easier comparison.

Mia:

http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/5543/mia9thharmonic0ln.th.png (http://img97.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mia9thharmonic0ln.png)

Beth:

http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/9821/beth9thharmonic2ll.th.png (http://img71.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beth9thharmonic2ll.png)

M_Adison:

http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/7618/madison9thharmonic3gz.th.png (http://img65.imageshack.us/my.php?image=madison9thharmonic3gz.png)

Aquarian Maverick

*Am I correct with the gender? I was presumed as male by several people on these forums, so I sympathesize wholeheartedly with anyone who is mistaken to be of the opposite sex. By the way, I based my assumption solely on your comments about men on the Psychics, Liars and Drunks Board (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1165&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=29) :)

[wilsontc]

Maverick and Madison,

You are right about the "exceptional" comment being tactless. I have edited my comment so it simply refers to talent indicated in a chart.

Vising and revising,

Tim

[Arian Maverick]

No need to dwell on the situation...let's get back to the discussion :D

Aquarian Maverick

[Arian Maverick]

I am so silly...I just reread through Lunar Pisces' post near the beginning of this thread and realized that I included the ninth harmonic charts instead of the fifth :roll:

Since I have already uploaded the charts onto the forum, I will keep them there and simply add the fifth harmonic charts to this post.

Mia:

http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/6910/mia5thharmonicchart1kb.th.png (http://img239.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mia5thharmonicchart1kb.png)

Beth:

http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/7352/beth5thharmonic3av.th.png (http://img126.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beth5thharmonic3av.png)

M_Adison:

http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/2352/madison5thharmonicchart7ao.th.png (http://img126.imageshack.us/my.php?image=madison5thharmonicchart7ao.png)

And here are our 10th harmonic charts for good measure :wink:

Mia:

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/8968/mia10thharmonic3fm.th.png (http://img72.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mia10thharmonic3fm.png)

Beth:

http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/5527/beth10thharmonic0af.th.png (http://img159.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beth10thharmonic0af.png)

M_Adison:

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/4192/madison10thharmonic0iq.th.png (http://img72.imageshack.us/my.php?image=madison10thharmonic0iq.png)

Aquarian Maverick

[Kite]

Based on the little I know about harmonic charts (I'm learning right now), it would seem to me that the 5th harmonic would show how one expresses their talents as the 5th house would show but on the micro level.

I would look at the 2nd harmonics chart (micro of 2nd house) to assess what talents/resources are being held. The 10th seems to show how they might be publicly viewed.

I might also want to look at some sabian readings for the harmonic chart's sun and North Node to get a flavor.

BTW - Mia's 5th harmonic shows venus at the MC which is an indicator of public performance as stated earlier. My 5th harmonic chart has Venus in a t-square with Saturn and Neptune. As much as I would love to express my musical talent (Sun/Venus sextile and Neptune part of grand trine in 2nd harmonic), it's not happening.

[Arian Maverick]

Thanks for responding, Kite! Should I upload the second harmonic charts as well, or would that be a bit overkill? :roll:

Aquarian Maverick

[C Jayne]

I may be moving back into performing maybe. Does anyone see any indication of this in my chart I wonder?


Mia--

I'm not clear if your question is: "Does my chart say I have musical talent?" or, "Does my chart say I will soon return to performing?"

I'll go for the first, and say this:

Mercury conjunct Venus: you express youself "sweetly" -- or with love, or with joy. You being a singer would not be a surprise.

Mars conjunct Uranus: Your way of aserting yourself is like an antenna for certain vibrations, which could include the musical ones.

Uranus, Mars and Sun in the 12th house: You live in the other-worldly world, the place where air is music and water is joy.

Moon conjuncts Neptune: You are most at home connected to that ethereal world (sort of like that 12th house business, above). This could also make you psychic.

So, in my opinion, you have not one, but several indicators of musical inclination, and with the Leo Ascendant and Aries Midheaven, you approach things in a theatrical, dramatic way, and you shape your career around being assertive-- maybe a little brassy and bold. Your Midheaven (career indicator)'s ruler, Mars, conjuncts the planet of individuality (Uranus), and it does this in the (Pisces -- 12th) house of ethereal beauty, escapism, and other worldliness. You are shaping your life, in an overall way, and your career, around these ethereal qualities.

Lots of reasons for music there, I'd say.

-- C Jayne

[Mia]

:) Hello all my musical friends

It's great to discuss something else we have in common together with our interest in astrology!

Wilsontc - thanks for the information; I can relate to much of what you described. People comment that I am a powerful performer (I'm known for having a powerful voice) and that comes from somewhere deep inside me. I only really feel powerful when I am performing. I am not an excessively extrovert personality, I kind of wax and wane between feeling confident and feeling not so confident (12th house sun?) and people who have not heard me sing are shocked when they see me on stage performing because I'm quite quiet, unasumming and quietly spoken until I get on stage and sing. So to those of you who worry about actually performing; I've been there and still did it! If you're meant to do it you will and I really believe that.


I have lacked self-belief sometimes, (even though people have always commented on my talent) intermittent lack of confidence just seems to be part of my personality, you know that sensitivity which can be positively turned into being sensitive to an audience and tuning in. I feel I am being the 'real me' when I perform/create music. I can relate also to a comment made by someone in an earlier post about not appreciating how talented we may be because it is so natural a thing for us to do and we take it for granted; that is definitely me!

Your discussion of my 5th house Saturn is also interesting Tim especially with the current Jupiter/Saturn and vice versa conjunctions. Yes, I am feeling more expansive about my music and performing again and I know I have several Neptune transits going on at the moment too which are making me feel foggy and muddy-headed in my 'day job' (teaching literacy and numeracy) but are great for the music and composition! I have to start writing again.

I have the Part of Fortune also conjunct Saturn so an indication of more success when I'm older? ( I would agree with this for several reasons) The Vertex is also involved so this is all fated? (as I've indicated already I feel my musical/singing career was) I'm also now aware (thanks to Beth putting up my chart) that Pallas is conjunct this combination in my 5th house. I have recently began making moves to get back into the music (so you are spot on Tim) and am working with a very eminent and renound singing teacher who has many famous singers on his books, towards gaining certification in his particular method of teaching singing. My niece (who also sings plays sax/piano) my partner and myself are going into business together to teach singing/ music/drama so here's hoping for our success! The way I see it, I'll be moving back into musical circles and so will probably perform again.

Beth, thanks again for taking the time to put the harmonic charts up. It's interesting stuff isn't it - the similarities and commonalities between our charts and involving the same planets/points etc - perhaps you've hit on something here! My ninth harmonic chart sounds a bit heavy with all that Pluto/Saturn stuff and nearly a Grand Cross too (sorry, I would quote directly but don't know how to to it!) Do you know what the ninth house harmonic is indicative of? Even so, it is interesting. Are harmonic charts used extensively or for a particular purpose?

:wink: Great thread
Mia

[Mia]

Hi CJayne

Just read your post after I'd posted mine which I see has come out twice! (sorry everybody)

Yes, I was wondering about the question of moving back into performing but the stuff you have written is spot on!

I do approach things in a theatrical, dramatic way (even if it is done quietly!) this IS me. Being a little 'brassy and bold' is in there somewhere and I do find it coming out more the older I get. I think the reason this part of me is not always evident is because the rulers of my Aries MC and Leo ascendant are both in the 12th house so they tend to hide away. I also feel pulled in two ways between being overly considerate of everybody else ( to the detriment of myself and my own needs) and being' bold and brash'. As I've already commented, I have been more this way recently so maybe I'm growing into myself eh! The other worldy stuff you spoke about - again, spot on! I have to drag myself into the real world sometimes.

Thanks for your comments
Mia :)

[Arian Maverick]

My ninth harmonic chart sounds a bit heavy with all that Pluto/Saturn stuff and nearly a Grand Cross too (sorry, I would quote directly but don't know how to to it!) Do you know what the ninth house harmonic is indicative of? Even so, it is interesting. Are harmonic charts used extensively or for a particular purpose?

Actually, I posted the ninth harmonic charts on the forums by mistake, but I decided to keep them here because, supposedly, they are very important in Vedic Astrology...

Aquarian Maverick :wink:

[Kite]

The more I look at Harmonics, the less I'm convinced you can ascertain musical talent from a particular Harmonic chart. I think if all musicians were thrown into a database and there was a high correlation among certain aspects in certain charts, then I would think there is some statistical evidence to support being able to read the talent in the chart.

BTW - even if you have talent, it doesn't mean it will flower in ways you desire. The public is fickle. Example - keeping Kevin and getting rid of Gedeon on American Idol - People come on!!

The other piece of this that disturbs me is to think that our biggest talents equal our biggest interests or our best interests. I look at Woody Allen who plays the clarinet every week in a New Orlean jazz combo. He loves this music - it's in his movies but does he do it for money or career? No - he does it for love. So what difference does it make if talent shows up or not in a chart? If you gotta do it you'll do it.

If you're trying to pick a major in college - sure you'ld like to know what you would like to pursue in the end. But the beginning is an opportunity to try out different things so maybe you'll find passion in areas you would have never thought. Give yourself permission to explore! Try different things on and see how they fit. Who says your chart has to brand you one thing or another?

Kite

[Arian Maverick]

That's true...I believe I have been using astrology as a crutch, as I am seldom convinced of my own worth or talent :?

But I suppose the first step in solving a problem is admitting that you have one :wink:

Aquarian Maverick

[Mary]

Here is my chart,.... what could you say about musical and performing abilities??


http://www.publicupload.com/files/mychart.GIF (http://www.publicupload.com)


any input is really apreciatted

[Arian Maverick]

Can you fix the URL codes or post your natal information here so I can upload the charts for you? It appears that you attempted to upload images through the Insert Image button on the forums...you must use an outside host site such as ImageShack (http://imageshack.us/).

Check out the thread Help : How do I post a picture? (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=519) for a link to a guide I wrote on the Composite Grand Trine and T Square Forum (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=6179#6179) :wink:

Aquarian Maverick

[Mary]

Done

[wilsontc]

Mary,

Since you have least aspected (strong energy) Sun (self-expression, also performing arts) focused in the 10th house, you may have the urge to perform as a career. Since you also have least aspected Mercury (thinking, also talking/daily work) sextile (energy goes easily with) Venus (relationships, also music, art) there may be an interest in communicating with music or some other type of art.

Charting,

Tim

[Lunar Pisces]

Mary,

What stands out ot me about your chart is moon conjunct ASC - something I've seen a lot in musicians, actors and poets. Strong moon-ASC aspects, even difficult ones makes a lot of sense too in this regard, as these are very emotional and intuitive...and passive-aggressive....forms of communication and expression. The moon is expressive, but not aggressive, so it looks for other, less direct ways. With this conjunction in Gem, you'll definitely want to express yourself, your ideas and thoughts, bu that moon on your ASC would incline you to seek indirect means, possibly through writing, music or role-playing.

You also have Neptune oppo your moon - that is also significant. Water planets intensely aspecting each other can be a source of creative spark and vivid imagination (I have a similar aspect: Pluto rising oppo moon on DC).

Also significant is your Venus. Venus in 9th (I have this too), there's an intellectual bent to your creative drives. You can develop a very refined and sophisticated aesthetic that would be helpful in pursuing any creative pursuit, especially on a more advanced or even professional level. This aesthetic would not be exclusive to arts, though, and may be used in more mudane or pragmatic fields as well. Also, Pisces Venus is a very "musical" placement. It does give someone a very musical personality, even if they are not actually a musician. Musicians with this placement tend to be drawn to/create music that's deeply spiritual or emotional and their music tends to connect with people on a very intuitive level. Pisces-Vensuians tend to also have a highly intuitive understanding or connection with music themselves, and while they don't always possess outstanding technical skills, they do tend to have superb "musicality," a kind of sense of knowing what works musically.

Pallas conjunct Mars in the 3rd- there's your impetus. Either you have skills and talents and are eager to show the world, or you deeply desire to develop skills so to actively participate in something going on int he owrld. This needn't be especially artistic, but can be, espeically with your Libra placement. The 3rd house primary rules thought and communciation, and both are needed in artistic pursuit.

Like Tim mentioned, your 10th house Sun may indicate drive too (I have this as well). With it in Taurus, you're likely someone who deems arts and aesthetics as being very worthy pursuits, and may find a lot of self-validation in these activity. In this sense, the arts would bea good career path for you as it would re-inforce your Taurean essence.

You also have a couple of things that may stand in your way if you are trying to develop your musicianship or other creative pursuits: Marcury in Taurus and Mars in Libra. Both are difficult placements, and prone to procrastination and frustration. Both placements tend to want to throw the towel in too early and dislike hard work. The good news is both are good for creativity - if you don't succumb to their "darker" side. You will need to develop a lot of self-discipline (especially with a Gem moon) to see the fruits of your inherent talents and desires.

[Arian Maverick]

Thank you for your thorough analyses, Lunar Pisces! I'm learning a lot from your posts :D

Now if only I could learn to interpret my harmonic charts...

Aquarian Maverick

[MidnightDevil]

I'd love to be a rock star! But the short cash in this lifetime didin't let me flow to it easy! I got Venus Conjuct. Mars in 12H falling in Aries, trining Uranus conjunct Jupiter on my 8H which falls in Sagittarius! I heard it's a great aspect for a rock star :D

[Mary]

Lunar Pisces,


That´s correct!..., fantastic interpretation! It´s true that sometimes I tend to "throw the towel" It took me some time to develop discipline.

Now, I know this thread is about musical ability either you earn your living from it or not. But I´m just curious if my interpretation of myself is correct:

Considering that neptune (music) is in sagitarius (teaching, editing, publishing)in the 6th house (everyday life, employment), and it is is aspecting the ruler of 10th house(everything professional), Mars in the 3rd (primary education also writing and publishing, short travel) and co-ruler of 10th house Venus (art) in Pisces (Music) in the 9th (higher education). And that also mars is aspecting moon in gemini) (writing , comunicating ) and uranus in sagitarius in the 5th(high school education)
Also I must mention that 2nd house cusp (money, income) is in leo (self expresion, also performing and education) which regent, the sun, is in Taurus (art) in the 10th (career), is opposed to the 6th house sagitarius ruler, jupiter (teaching)

.... could I say that my job and profesion implies teaching music and the preforming arts in all educational levels??

[Mary]

Wilsontc,

Also my saturn in libra is least aspected (major aspect: opposed to MC) how would you consider this.....delays maybe??

[wilsontc]

Mary,

In my opinion, there is a T-square (strong energy) between the nodes focused on Libra (relationships, also music, art) modifying least aspected (strong energy) Saturn (duty, also career, structure) conjunct (energy is combined with) Nadir (inner world). This indicates that developing an inner artistic structure (perhaps in music) is useful in develoing your career. It also suggests that developing this inner, artistic structure is a way to move from your South node (the past) focus on 7th house (relationships, also music, art) to your North node (being, also action). This is interesting because it indicates a development of your self personally out of your relationships with others, and this being accomplished by some sort of inner, artistic? structure.

Guessing,

Tim

[Mary]

Tim:

Awsome!!! Yes, that interpretation is very accurate.


This is interesting because it indicates a development of your self personally out of your relationships with others, and this being accomplished by some sort of inner, artistic? structure.


Also is interesting that the one who is hepling me building this artistic and inner structure has sun in libra conjunct my saturn and Nadir.

Thanks you all for taking the time to read my chart :D

[Arian Maverick]

Now that I have my rectified birth chart, are there any specific indicators of musical talent? My first house Aries stellium, perhaps?

Arian Maverick

[Kite]

I think Elianah would agree that you would make a good Shofar blower if you were Jewish. :lol:

Kite

[Arian Maverick]

Although I would never wish any harm to befall my zodiac mascot, I must admit that was a very clever answer! :mrgreen:

Shofar (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Shofar)- A trumpet made of a ram's horn, blown by the ancient Hebrews during religious ceremonies and as a signal in battle, now sounded in the synagogue during Rosh Hashanah and at the end of Yom Kippur.

EDIT: Here are my updated fifth and seventh harmonic charts (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1200) in case anyone wants to take a peek :wink:

Fifth Harmonic Chart:

http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/4686/myfifthharmonicchart3mp.th.png (http://img104.imageshack.us/my.php?image=myfifthharmonicchart3mp.png)

Seventh Harmonic Chart:

http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/9052/myseventhharmonicchart4fa.th.png (http://img104.imageshack.us/my.php?image=myseventhharmonicchart4fa.png)

Arien Maverick

[Lunar Pisces]

Like I said to Mary, Moon conjunct ASc is an common aspect I see in charts of musicians. That the moon is the leading planet of that stellium is pretty significant too.

Your Pallas in now int he 12th - that only adds tot he Neptunian quality fo that asteriod in your chart.'

Your Netpune, which is in the 10th, and though not orb-conjunct with your MC, still influences your MC as well as both the planets it conjunct, Satrrun and Uranus.

Gem Mars in the 3rd also could be an impetus to express yourself and communicate. With your strong 1st house Arian stellium (need to express oneself, as well as be intense, make impact and be the focus of attention) plus a Neptunian colored MC and a very Piscean Pallas, it seem music would a very likely avenue of self-expression for you. And like for Mary with her Tarean Sun, music would be a source of self-validation for your Arian Sun - for a Taurus this would be more about aesthetics and the "inner" qualities of music, whereas with Aries, it's more about getting people's attention and making them notice you for who you are and what you are capble of doing.

[Arian Maverick]

I would absolutely love to revitalize this thread...do we have any other musicans on the forums who have not yet provided their natal data here?

Arian Maverick

[C Jayne]

...do we have any other musicans on the forums who have not yet provided their natal data here?

AM--

Really, I would be pretty surprised if there are any astrology enthusiasts who completely lack musical talent!

I think the same energies that make a person want to "listen" to the "other side" are the same ones that make them hear the music life has to offer! Do you see the "music" in my chart? :roll:

-- CJ

[Arian Maverick]

Really, I would be pretty surprised if there are any astrology enthusiasts who completely lack musical talent!

Yes, I completely agree! That's exactly why I wanted to start up this thread again! :D

Arian Maverick

[Lunar Pisces]

C Jayne - yes you're probably on to something. Specifically, seeing astrology is linked to both Neptune and Uranus, and these two planets and their corresponding signs are often linked to music, it seems logical to think there's a overlap.

Anyhow, I haven't posted my data here yet:

June 15, 1971
12:10 PM
Santa Monica, CA

In case anyone wants to look at my chart. I have had a life long consuming love for music. I had most of Simon and Garfunkel's songs memorized by the time I was 5. I taught myself to play piano and read music at 8, started playing woodwinds at 9, and taught myself rock and classical guitar starting when I was 15. It was my childhood dream to be a professional musician, which never panned out, despite my efforts. I have a BA in jazz guitar, and I can play guitar (various styles), clarinet, flute, sax, piano/keyboard, Renaissance lute, bass (electric and upright) and viola/violin. I can also sing (2nd alto). I have played in rock/punk bands, jazz bands and duos/trios, chamber ensembles, brass and woodwind bands, marching bands, orchestras, early music ensembles, choruses, church choirs and Gregorian chant choirs. I also write and compose my own music, which, since I am not currently performing, I am doing a fair amount of lately.

[Arian Maverick]

Thank you for posting your chart, Lunar Pisces! This is rather synchronistic, as I have been searching for several members' natal data--including yours--for most of today!

Here is your natal chart...I will also post some key harmonic charts when I get the chance :wink:

http://img465.imageshack.us/img465/5741/lunarpiscesnatalchart0ah.png (http://imageshack.us)

Arian Maverick

[C Jayne]

In case anyone wants to look at my chart...

Interesting. Notice that this chart has that same thing Empath's chart has -- Mercury conjunct Midheaven. She's a Seer. Oh, and also, Chiron opposite Uranus -- there's a whole thread about this -- only Lunar Pisces is not even the same generation as some of us, so it's not because he/she is from the same generation. :roll:

Where's Lilith and Ceres? I'm trying to learn how to use them.

--CJ

[Arian Maverick]

Don't worry, I'm not from the same generation as many other forum members either, yet I also have a loose Uranus/Chiron opposition :wink:

Arian Maverick

[Ace]

Wow! What a great post on musical talent. :D I enjoyed reading them, and find this intriguing. I suppose with a stellium in Leo (Sun, Mercury, Venus, Saturn, MC (conjunt Algenubi and Praesaepe), Ceres, it would seem performing would be my thing (at least I've been told from others), but I find it difficult to express and show my creative side for the fear as I fear of being judged. It's that darn Saturn in my natal chart, but I don't think one planet can really exert so much influence. What are some aspects that indicate anxiety on stage? If I perform in front of strangers I get major butterflies and tense up. Any comments on my chart?

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[wilsontc]

Ace,

You have Mars (being, also action) square (energy needs to be combined with) Moon (home, also emotions), which can indicate feeling emotional tension when doing things. Just remember all you need to do is to get your nervous "butterflies" to "fly in formation". USE your nervous energy in your performances, channel it into your performances and let it come out as passion! If the talent in performing is there, don't let a case of the nerves keep you from doing what you want to do. It is common for talented musicians to get VERY nervous before a performance and then to become more relaxed and "in control" once they actually get out on stage and start using their energy! :)

Emotionally,

Tim

[Arian Maverick]

It is common for talented musicians to get VERY nervous before a performance and then to become more relaxed and "in control" once they actually get out on stage and start using their energy!

Oh boy, is it ever...I completely agree with you, Tim! :mrgreen:

Arian Maverick

[Ace]

Thanks Tim....very good advice...a better way to channel my nervousness into something something positive and infectious onstage. :) I'll have to just keep that in mind more often.

[C Jayne]

Ace--

Your Ascendant in Scorpio conjuncts mine, and, like mine, yours opposes Jupiter in Taurus (mine's in the 6th, yours is in the 7th). Now, wouldn't you think this would make us adventurous?

Our Leo Midheavens even conjunct! :)

I feel absolutely naked when people listen to me play piano. I mostly only play in front of my husband. In social situations, I am a nudist -- I simply don't know how to keep my boundaries up! I think it's some kind of weird combination of that Scorpio (intensely--) Jupiter (honest and sincere) thing.

Also, I think you're right about Saturn. Your stelium/grouping isn't going to act like a normal stellium with Saturn in there. I know someone who has Scorpio Asc/ Leo Midheaven, but he has Saturn in Leo, and gets very uptight about making a scene or getting attention -- although he frequently does make scenes but is apparently unaware of it! :oops:

Your Mars, in Virgo, is modest, which doesn't exactly promote Leo abilities.

My husband has a stellium in Cancer -- you'd think he'd be the one who doesn't like to get attention -- but for him, sharing music is all about sharing. It is his gift. He can tolerate the butterflies and use that energy to his advantage. For me, it's limp arms and shakey hands -- not just butterflies. I forget about the music and can't think of anything except people seeing into my soul.

I think it makes very good sense for you to be how you are. I'm sure there are other things you can do which other people cannot do. :roll:
-- CJ

[Lunar Pisces]

C Jayne, because of the speed at which both Chiron and Uranus, a good number of people have that aspect.

If you were asking about my Ceres and Lilith:

BM Lilith - 29 Virgo, 1H
Asteriod Lilith - 1 Libra, 1H

In addition to being conjunt with each other, they are conjunct both my 1H Pluto and 1H Uranus singelton. They also trine my Venus/Saturn conjunction and square my Sun and Eros (29 Gem). The asteriod Iris conjuncts my asteriod Lilith exactly, too, which i find pretty interesting.


Ceres - 21 Gemini, 10H

In addition to being conjunct my Sun and Mercury, it is also conjunct the transneptunian planet Vulcan (18 Gem) - perhaps this is why I dig Star Trek so much? LOL.

BTW, C Jayne, about my MC: yeah, I could be called a seer, or a mystic or a psychic (in addition to the Mercury matter, I have Pisces moon + a Neptune singleton), although these "gifts" are ones I readily advertise or exploit for my ego. I would never, never consider using these gifts to make money. I am, also, Female.

Another very interesting thing about my MC is the trans-Pluto planet Anubis conjuncts it within less than one degree - such a close conjunction to an angle make it a pretty signi ificant influence in my chart. Anubis is the early Egyptian god of the Dead, the god who guided souls into the afterlife and judged them. So naturally, this planet is associated with death, in particular mystical sight or a fascination/preoccupation regarding death. Also, Anubis possesses the gift of "soul reading" (very Plutonian), which is the ability to discern the virtue or moral worth of a soul, and is concerned with spiritual justice, justice that transcends the mortal world and carries over into the afterlife. Without getting into too much detail, I'll say all above's a decent fit for me.

Anubis is also associated with alchemy, divination and the occult, so this is actually an astrology-friendly body. Some people, like some Vedic astrologers, want to interpret Anubis as predominatly malefic, which I think is rather skewed, seeing Anubis in myth wasn't malefic, albiet very powerful. Nonetheless, he was seen more of a "friend" or "guide" to the dead than a "ruler." Anubis in astrology has a very Plutonian quality, and can be associated with both the positive and negative sides of Pluto, such as transformation and destruction - the two possible, extreme outcomes of one's confrontation of the truth oneself and of the cosmos.

[Ace]

Hey Jayne,

Very cool! I figured I should have some connections with the people here on this forum. It's funny I remember when taking a piano course back in high school and felt great to perform with the class, but once the attention was on me, I just froze up and my body would go into a nervous breakdown. I guess with that Mars in Virgo, I wanted to be a perfectionist and hated the fact that I would sometimes make mistakes in front of others. I feel most comfortable to perform alone and practice till I know I got everything down right before going up to showcase it. Even in a an acting course, I made sure my soliloquy was spot on by looking in the mirror and making sure I was able to reach the audience. In the end, it was worth it. I was invited by the teacher to perform it at this "acting party". :wink:

I feel there are those two sides to me though with that Scorpio alter-ego. I fall between extremes. Being a goof and the comedic relief in front of friends and then clam up and be the caasual observer in a large crowd. I prefer to be a fly on the wall in this situation... haha...

[tikana]

Hey Arian and others

I think musical talents are partially genetical and conditional.

Beethoven - Beethoven showed remarkable talent at an early age. His father, a court musician, subjected him to a brutal regimen, hoping to exploit him as a child prodigy

Mozart - father was a composer and violinist

enrique Eglesias - his father is legendary Julio Eglesias, Julio Eglesias mother has musical background in her family

Niccolò Paganini - his father was a violinist

Sarah Brightman's parents are extremly musical inclined people.

I am not talking studio edited or mechanically enhanced voices.

I dont know if this is true but in Italy, most women sing when they are doing domestic chores. They are not famous but their voices are conditioned to sing well because they hear it by their grandmas, relatives, neighbors singing all the time.

In my family, everyone is deaf on a ear. No one can sing. My mom attempts singing but it is like listneing to piano that went bad. My neice who is a daughter of my cousin brother ... if she sings, RUN for your life!
My x's family has no musical background. If you heard my x sing, LOL god save your soul. I swear....
I do not know my blood whatever you want to call them but since I was a kid, I was singing with no coaching. I cannot say that i can write music or lyrics cause i usually have nothing to say but I can sing. Music came very easy for me.. My ear catches words and songs in different languages. I am not bragging but the other day i was listening to one cool song in spanish. I dont know spanish at all. Within 2 hours i was singng that song in spanish. And the strangest thing is when I sing I see text of the song in my head. I dont remember it.. it is like i am readng off my memory. The only language i have a problem with is French. I dont know how to read in french. Italian songs are okay i can handle them. One song I would love to sing to a perfection is Time to say good bye. It has Incredibly difficult pitch and vocal ranges. On top of that, i run out of air in my lungs prematurely. I should have been a singer or something like that but my grandparents were sick so no one had time for me.

My mom's friend's song is an incredible world wide known violinist. His parents were not into music but his mom did not have a chance to be a musician. She has it in her blood though. This guy is so amazing that oneof the conductors in Japan gave him a backyard of his house and built a house for the violinist.

Tik

[07.Re]

I would absolutely love to revitalize this thread...do we have any other musicans on the forums who have not yet provided their natal data here?

Arian Maverick

What a fascinating thread! I played a musical intrument in my teens, but gave up because I thought it wasn't "cool" and I was just three exams off from qualifying as a teacher! Music moves my soul in ways that nothing else does. I have been considering taking music lessons again (at the age of 37!)

My 5th harmonic chart shows a yod using Sun (Sag) sextile Pluto (Libra)with Venus (Taurus) as the apex.

Ceres conjuncts my sun in my natal chart and Pallas conjuncts my Ascendant (0°12a). POF conjuncts my Asc (2°26)

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/2283/5thharmonic.gif (http://img9.imageshack.us/i/5thharmonic.gif/)

and hereunder is my 7th Harmonic chart:

http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/2825/7thharmonic.gif (http://img63.imageshack.us/i/7thharmonic.gif/)

[07.Re]

Interestingly, I have Neptune conjunct Moon in the 7th Harmonic whereas in my natal chart, my Moon conjuncts the sun making it unable to feel. Perhaps thats why music moves me... I'm able to get in touch with my emotional side through the music..Natallhy I have 7 air signs and no water signs

[07.Re]

Neptune squares Venus in both charts...what a difficult aspect between these two planets! Perhaps this was the reason I gave up playing music...

Does anyone else share this in their harmonic / natal charts?

ETA: Venus squares Neptune in my natal chart too

[07.Re]

Bumping this thread up... anyone able to help with this question?

[robots]

Since the 7th grade, I've wanted desperately to have natural musical talent. I've been playing guitar for about two years but didn't actually started practicing until May or so. I like singing a lot but I'm not all that amazing at it. I'd like to think I'm pretty good though. Also, I have an excellent sense of rhythm, but I'm generally awkward when it comes to doing choreography.

Does my chart say anything about musical talent? I have a pisces MC which could indicate musical talent, but I don't really know of any other factors that could imply said talent.

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh286/robotsareourfriends/chart.jpg

[MayDay]

Oh wow!! I couldn't be more excited to see this thread resurrected!! I have been searching for the answer to this question in my own chart for quite some time now, but without proper training, to be honest I havent been sure what I am looking at in regards to my chart! I am sincerely hoping someone here may be able so shine some light so kindly :)

I have had a deep appreciation of music my whole life, but it wasn't until last year that I really listened to my heart, allowed this love to flourish and started to believe I could make a living writing and performing music.. and subsequently, have turned to astrology to find out more about what talents and what challenges lie ahead.

All I want to do is just work with music for the rest of my life!! ..share the empowering and unifying nature of music with people around the world - inspire and empower others to seek joy, and to follow their hearts! ..but with little sign of any musical ability anywhere in my family, I am unsure whether I have the musical talent to see my vision through, and if I do what obstacles I need to be mindful of?

Would anyone be able to have a look at my chart and perhaps shine some light? My sincerest gratitude to anyone that may be able to help in analyzing my chart, it really would mean the world to me :)

Here is my birth information:

May 1st, 1987
11:11am
Plovdiv, Bulgaria


~ MayDay :)

[Arian Maverick]

The first item which captured my attention is that beautiful Aries North Node/Venus/Jupiter conjunction at the top of your natal chart, conjunct the Midheaven. This is particularly interesting because Venus is the ruler of your Libra South Node, so there's a sense of the past (Libra South Node) continuing into the future (Venus conjunct North Node). Granted, Venus is in its detriment in Aries, but that hasn't stopped me, musically! Venus-Jupiter is a very artistically prolific combination, and its placement conjunct the Midheaven confirms that this is your highest aspiration.

I'm no expert, but Jupiter is the ruler of your sixth house, and this seems to be a promising indication that you could pursue music as a way in which you could earn income. I ask more experienced astrologers to validate this, however. The North Node-Venus-Jupiter conjunction's square to Neptune concerns me slightly because it may indicate some kind of self-deception or even delusion, but there's also a great amount of creativity with this aspect. Again, I believe several interpretations I've read of Venus-Neptune squares indicate a proclivity for the performing or visual arts, of which music is one.

You have lots of other interesting aspects in your natal chart, but these are the ones which really jump out at me to indicate a natural talent for music.

EDIT: I've uploaded your natal chart so others may take a look. I recommend that you do this yourself the next time you post a question regarding your chart on the forums, so others do not have to create the chart themselves in an astrology program. You're more likely to receive answers this way. :wink:

http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/104/maydaynatalchart.gif (http://img692.imageshack.us/i/maydaynatalchart.gif/)

Arian Maverick

[MayDay]

Wow! Arian Maverick, thank you sincerely for sharing your wisdom!! :)

No doubt any chart has its fair combination of both positive and negative aspects, but its very energizing to hear that the stars show such positive potential :)

I will have a deeper look into the neptune square on the net and see if i can find out any more details on how to best put this aspect to benefit.

thanks again! if there is anything else that jumps out at you, even if its not musically related, I would love to hear more from you Maverick!

:)

[robots]

Hah, my post ended up being the last one on the 3rd page so I don't think anyone actually saw it. That's a shame. So I think I'll just reword what I said before because I reaaally want to know....

Anyway, I love music. It helps me get through difficult situations in life more than anything else can. It can calm me down or make me realize that I'm being stupid or anything like that. I love listening to it, and I also love writing and playing it. I can play guitar and have written my own songs and lyrics before. I was in two bands for a while, but they failed. I've been in a few musicals too. I love singing but I'm not all that amazing at it, same with guitar. But anyway, music is amazing and it's a big part of my life.

Here's my chart, if anyone is willing to see if I have any indicators of musical talent
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh286/robotsareourfriends/chart.jpg

[07.Re]

Hah, my post ended up being the last one on the 3rd page so I don't think anyone actually saw it.


.... and my 5th and 7th Haromonic charts were before your posts... and they weren't seen either :biggrin:

[Arian Maverick]

Robots, I recommend that you repost your chart without the aspects to the Ascendant and Midheaven; it would make it much easier to read.

.... and my 5th and 7th Haromonic charts were before your posts... and they weren't seen either

We've explored harmonic charts in other threads, but I don't think too many members on the forums specialize in these kinds of charts. Perhaps you may post your regular natal chart?

Arian Maverick

[07.Re]

Perhaps you may post your regular natal chart?

Here is the chart AM... thanks for having a look. I think having all that Libran energy helps. :smile:

http://img697.imageshack.us/img697/2817/natalkg.gif (http://img697.imageshack.us/i/natalkg.gif/)

[Arian Maverick]

As I indicated in another thread, I have the unfortunate ability to justify pretty much anything in a natal chart. Nevertheless, Saturn's trine aspects to the various planets in your Libra stellium seem to indicate that you possess the potential to use creative energies in a constructive matter. On the same token, there's just enough stress in your chart, via the Venus-Neptune square, to produce the friction needed to produce the creative pearl.

Arian Maverick

[07.Re]

As I indicated in another thread, I have the unfortunate ability to justify pretty much anything in a natal chart. Nevertheless, Saturn's trine aspects to the various planets in your Libra stellium seem to indicate that you possess the potential to use creative energies in a constructive matter. On the same token, there's just enough stress in your chart, via the Venus-Neptune square, to produce the friction needed to produce the creative pearl.

Arian Maverick

Very interesting interpretation AM... I have considered writing music of late (but will need to put a couple of steps in place to do just that) and I think this will put all those energies to creative use.

Thanks again...:joyful:

[dare]

Wow, so interesting, having looked at all the charts posted comparing them to my own, its CRAZY, there is just something about cancer.. aqua and libra,

Im try freaked out to write anymore...

[m8pisces]

Please analyze my chart for me,see if I have music talent,i think I sing kinda good,not boasting
http://astro-software.com/cgi-bin/graphic/daisy14?dformat=2&date=1994/2/28&time=3.0&lat=10.58&long=-106.40&adjust=7.00&lang=en&x=750&y=562

[Kannon]

Arian,

Your chart link did not work. Could you post again, please?

[Arian Maverick]

Arian,

Your chart link did not work. Could you post again, please?

I created this thread many years ago, when music was a passionate interest of mine and an almost certain career path. While I still teach flute lessons, I have concentrated my energies elsewhere. Nevertheless, the talent never went away, so you may study my natal chart if you wish.

Thank you! :happy:

http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/7193/snatalchart.png (http://img51.imageshack.us/i/snatalchart.png/)

Arian Maverick

[carol gibson]

I've always thought that Mercury in Taurus is an indicator of a good singer.

[carol gibson]

Please analyze my chart for me,see if I have music talent,i think I sing kinda good,not boasting
http://astro-software.com/cgi-bin/graphic/daisy14?dformat=2&date=1994/2/28&time=3.0&lat=10.58&long=-106.40&adjust=7.00&lang=en&x=750&y=562
Where did you get this nice chart? This is so easy to read!

[Kannon]

I created this thread many years ago, when music was a passionate interest of mine and an almost certain career path. While I still teach flute lessons, I have concentrated my energies elsewhere. Nevertheless, the talent never went away, so you may study my natal chart if you wish.

Thank you! :happy:

http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/7193/snatalchart.png (http://img51.imageshack.us/i/snatalchart.png/)

Arian Maverick

Many years ago? You must have started on a course early and started studying astrology early since you were born only in '89! You're still young with plenty of time to change careers, which you almost certainly will do.

You are almost certainly Pisces rising instead of Aries. Otherwise the interception of signs in the 6th-12th would put you in some type of health or social/public service work in govt or hospitals or charity organizations.

As to musical talent, there is Sun-Mercury-Venus closely conjunct and both sextile Mars. Neptune sq Sun-Venus in Cardinal signs. That's enough.

You're beginning a process of change that will culminate in 2015-16. Major. How much do you want to know? You can't control this process. It will hit you hard, then when you least expect it.

[Arian Maverick]

Many years ago? You must have started on a course early and started studying astrology early since you were born only in '89! You're still young with plenty of time to change careers, which you almost certainly will do.

Well, as you have mentioned, I am fairly young--so, in my estimation, four years is a long time! I created this thread in early 2006, when I was still in high school. This seems like a lifetime ago.

You are almost certainly Pisces rising instead of Aries. Otherwise the interception of signs in the 6th-12th would put you in some type of health or social/public service work in govt or hospitals or charity organizations.

I don't wish to derail this thread much, but some difficulty arises here. As I've mentioned, I've changed concentrations since I created this thread, and right now, I'm leaning towards social/public service work in government or nonprofit organizations! I guess I may have an Aries Ascendant, after all.

As to musical talent, there is Sun-Mercury-Venus closely conjunct and both sextile Mars. Neptune sq Sun-Venus in Cardinal signs. That's enough.

I know a girl who was born only a day later who has this configuration--yet she has not displayed any indications of musical talents. Does the angular house position of these planets make a difference?

You're beginning a process of change that will culminate in 2015-16. Major. How much do you want to know? You can't control this process. It will hit you hard, then when you least expect it.

I'll contact you privately. Thanks for the free mini-reading! :cool:

Arian Maverick

[Styx]

For as long as I can remember music has had a profound effect on me. When I was about 3 years my mom used to sing this lullaby to me and I remember I used to cry because I thought the song was so sad.

I play the guitar and keyboard.

I think the musical talent comes from my:
Sun-Venus conjunction
Venus-Mercury conjunction
Venus trine Moon
Moon in second house
Nepunte trine Mercury and Moon
Mars in Gemini (good with hands)
Mercury in Taurus
Pluto in Scorpio rules my fifth house and is a Singleton in my chart

here's my chart

[Kannon]

Well, as you have mentioned, I am fairly young--so, in my estimation, four years is a long time! I created this thread in early 2006, when I was still in high school. This seems like a lifetime ago.



I don't wish to derail this thread much, but some difficulty arises here. As I've mentioned, I've changed concentrations since I created this thread, and right now, I'm leaning towards social/public service work in government or nonprofit organizations! I guess I may have an Aries Ascendant, after all.

That many Aries planets in the 1st can indicate an urge to leadership, regardless of Rising sign or 6th-12th interception.



I know a girl who was born only a day later who has this configuration--yet she has not displayed any indications of musical talents. Does the angular house position of these planets make a difference?

Yes. And Rising sign. Pisces on Asc would change the overall tenor of the Aries focus to a less kinesthetic one, less athletically inclined, more inclined to things spiritual as part of one's personality. Neptune, Pisces... color, beauty, poetry, art. Mars, Aries... action, leadership, etc.

[Kannon]

Where is your chart?

[toofarwhere]

Hi there! I'm not sure if I have proper indicators of musical talent in my chart but I've been playing the Violin for 9 years and I can also play the piano ( learnt it by ear).I was also known for having a good singing voice but I wasn't interested in taking it seriously although my parents have pushed me to take vocal training which I used to give up in 2 weeks or something [ Aries sun,Venus Aries ( h3),mercury pisces (h3),mars pisces(h3) and ofcourse Uranus in 1st which could explain why I hated guidance in any form from anyone..I prefer sailing my own boat ^^]
I write my own music but never played in public cause I hate criticism and I don't take my work seriously and I find my work very private
I have 3 planets in House 3 which could explain the violin piano and my voice ( I have a very girly high pitched voice).

We both have our Mars in Pisces, with the exception of yours being in the 3rd House and mine being in the 10th House.

"I don't take my work seriously and I find my work very private:" This can be attributed to your Piscean Mars. I don't take my work seriously, either. I'm almost always thinking it is not good enough, despite being told otherwise. And I don't like showing off my artistic drive. It's really difficult too, because I'd like to have a career in music (my Mars in the 10th House wants to show off its artistic skills in my career).

[Modcleopatra]

LOL here it is..
even though i'm pretty good in music i'm more interested in the performing arts ( acting) and fashion ( maybe my Libra MC speaking).Infact I give alot of attention to others dressing than mine.I dress up like **** but I find making others look better and styling others to be very therapautic


Dear Summer,

Having a Libra MC indicates you would have an interest in pursuing anything related to Venus. Venus has to do with art, music, beauty, pleasure, romance and so on. Having a Venus-ruled MC, however, does not necessarily indicate talent or success in music, but like you said, it can definitely get you moving in a Venusian direction! It just means you would be interested in pursuing a Venus-like career. That could mean talk-therapy, since Venus rules relationships, gardening, since Venus has to do with beautification. Like you said, this could also mean an interest in dress or fashion.

Music typically "belongs" to the water signs, as toofar pointed out with Mars in Pisces. Talent could stem from such placements. For you, your musical talents have a lot to do with three personal planets all in Pisces, all in the third house. The way you think adapts itself well to music. While Mars and Venus are not conjunct, they are both in the same sign and in the same house, so they express themselves in the same area of your life. When there are Mars and Venus contacts, especially positive ones, talent with hands is indicated. For you this may mean that if you are under stress, you may find yourself fiddling with your fingers in some way to release that stress. I wouldn't be surprised, however, if you hadn't already reached for a piano, guitar, or some other instrument involving significant use of your fingers. Again, these planets aren't conjunct, so this wouldn't be an outright move on your part, but if you haven't tried piano or something like that, I would give it a try. You could be quite skilled.

With Mercury conjunct Venus, with Mercury in its own house, and Venus exalted, you most certainly have a beautiful singing voice, or at least a lyrical quality to your voice. The trine to your Cancer Moon in the 7th, the house of Venus, indicates that you put a lot of real emotion comfortably into your manner of singing or speaking. People want to listen to you. What is fortunate for you is that having this talent is not a chore for you-- it is something you really enjoy. There are some people, like myself, who are quite talented musically, but feel obligated with it in some way, for you, this is not the case. You could potentially turn your musical capacity into a career. The issue for you is your Sun square Neptune/Uranus, and your Moon opposed Neptune/Uranus. You are easily attracted to, but also repelled by glamor and that which you believe to be your highest dreams and demands. The Uranus may have you eye-balling something extreme to do with your energies, and your Neptune may make you think it should be something glamorous, that you belong with the superstars. You may spend most of your time wishing you were someone famous for your talents, and never actually acting on it. You're touchy but also a bit out of touch with yourself, and maybe a bit "insincere" with your intentions. The Neptune qualities, plus the Cancer Moon and the Pisces planets, may render you to feel like a victim and to therefore remain inactive. This is only compounded by Mars in Pisces.

But, you're young! Things will change no doubt. They have to. You just need to be patient and let the world present you with some opportunities. I know you weren't asking about career, but I went ahead and talked about it... hope you don't mind!

mod.

[haybelly]

Very cool information. Just throwing this out there..... I was not musically talented when I was younger, BUT, later in life I picked up the piano, flute, guitar. Unfortunately my signing will only be sub par. I love playing music though, can entertain myself for hours.
I have a lot of pisces in my chart so I agree with that influence.

[Pallas-trine-Mars]

Oh boy, this is an incredibly contentious issue. Everyone's gonna have different opinions on what gets music in terms of astrology and usually give a disproportionate amount of credit to one thing or the other, usually Venus, one of her 3 signs (I'm including her exaltation Pisces and its ruler Neptune), but I really disagree with this.

IMO, I wouldn't give it to any one sign, planet or house, music is just too big and complex, every sign and planet has something to contribute to music, even sad Saturn can help you appreciate the blues! Saying one thing alone rules music is like saying the Moon rules emotions when every planet has some emotional nature like Venus is romantic, Mars angry...

I'd say the biggest musical planets are Jupiter, Venus, Mercury, the Moon and maybe the asteroid Pallas. Venus obviously because people tend to regard music as beautiful (not that rock and roll is probably her thing, we know who gets that ♂), Mercury because music is a form of communication, the Moon because music is ALWAYS emotional regardless of genre, Jupiter because music is inspiration and often grand, Pallas because music involves skills and placement. Performers probably belong to the Sun..

[idanl09]

I have gemini rising, mercury in 9t house, NN in 5th house, scorpio.
Mars in leo in 3rd house, neptune in 8th house(lord of the tenth house), MC in pisces, sun conjunct MC.
Venus is conjucnt neptune.
What do u think?

[Artemisdaughter]

Taurus to me is sensual especially voice.
Leo is creative and loves the stage being the STAR.
Pisces is otherworldly very good for dreamy music or composing (many musicians see their music as channeled/the muse, inspiration).
Libra can be great for working in partnerships and ascetics of music.
Gemini great for communicating (short like songs are gemini creates articles not books).
Cancer songs of mother/home.
Capricorn can be ambition this on the 5th to me would be someone working in creativity or very ambitious toward creation.
Saturn can bring in needed discipline required to practice, or a stage parent forcing one to preform.
Venus love bug thing in music obviously love of music or love of another-which most songs are about.
Sun identity.
Mercury ability to write including music (Hermes flute).
5th House creativity
2nd House (money and values-for example valuing music over money vs preforming only for money)
10th House career i.e Taurus on tenth
4th family tradition someone who learns to sing from family.
9th House foreign travel like touring and adventures.
11th House if part of band or preforms for friends only.
12 dreams,emotional pain, subconscious desires.

I think when we talk to someone about Why they do music you see many different motives in many different ways, one person might do it because of family another talent another passion, all indicated in the chart very differently. Each chart tells its own story and feeling the way is part of that. Definitely each artist has own story in their chart.

[Modcleopatra]

Oh boy, this is an incredibly contentious issue. Everyone's gonna have different opinions on what gets music in terms of astrology and usually give a disproportionate amount of credit to one thing or the other, usually Venus, one of her 3 signs (I'm including her exaltation Pisces and its ruler Neptune), but I really disagree with this.

IMO, I wouldn't give it to any one sign, planet or house, music is just too big and complex, every sign and planet has something to contribute to music, even sad Saturn can help you appreciate the blues! Saying one thing alone rules music is like saying the Moon rules emotions when every planet has some emotional nature like Venus is romantic, Mars angry...




I'd say the biggest musical planets are Jupiter, Venus, Mercury, the Moon and maybe the asteroid Pallas. Venus obviously because people tend to regard music as beautiful (not that rock and roll is probably her thing, we know who gets that ♂), Mercury because music is a form of communication, the Moon because music is ALWAYS emotional regardless of genre, Jupiter because music is inspiration and often grand, Pallas because music involves skills and placement. Performers probably belong to the Sun..


So I wonder, if Pallas, since I'm not disagreeing with YOU here :love:, just offering my own interpretation of what you're saying, maybe if Venus has always been traditionally seen as sort of the "centerpiece" for where we have always sort of connected music too, perhaps one could also say that when other planets touch Venus, it can really amp up the musicality associated with Venus, characterize it in these other ways.

[AMyOhMy]

please interpret my chart to see if there are any musical talents indicated in my natal chart. ive been very fond of singing and music since childhood with passionate thoughts of pursuing it as a career choice

[PiscesBoy]

I have been told that I by many that I have an "exceptional" and also "incredible" singing voice... but am too shy and fearful to take it any further:pinched:

Just wondering if my chart tell's anything.

http://interactive.0800-horoscope.com/cgi-bin/graphic/daisy13?x=720name=Tom&firstname=&birthplace=Dublin&lang=en&sex=f&dformat=0&date=3/15/1984&time=8:0&country=353&state=0&adjust=0.00&long=6.15&lat=53.20

[Athene]

Greetings to all you musical enthusiasts, it's so nice seen how much of us share the love for the most beautiful of all arts :love::love::love::love:

I'm researching into the singers field and woder do anybody has a contact base or statistic source that could be seen and studdied ?

Would mind anybody give a try at my chart and in particular, this 3d House Neptune ? I'm searching for imputs on it but didnt find anything substantial . . mute oblige i guess :bandit: :biggrin: . . . .

[virgo18]

Musical talent divides in two:
The one which is academic, and the other which is naturally gifted.

There are people who cannot play a song without reading notes. And there are people like me and my cousin who can play piano without reading notes. We even don't know how to read musical notes. Just the feeling.
Perhaps I admire people who are academic musicians. I desire to learn to read music some day.

According to the book "The Aquarian Gospel of Jesus Christ" Musical ability that you have right now comes from past lives. i.e. house definitely 12th, maybe 8th, and could be the 4th also. This will be for the people who are naturally gifted.

For example: Both, me and my cousin have Venus in Scorpio....My cousin is Libra Sun with Mercury in Scorpio, and I have Mercury in Libra and my Venus rules my Mercury. Also in the whole house system I have Venus and Pluto in the 12th.

But I also have to give credit to people who are academic musicians:
I will have to say that academic musicians may have strong Air and Earth in their charts which give them a more sharped and analytical mind. And musical natural talent will be more of Fire and Water which are more ruled by feelings. adding 12th, and 8th houses
Example my bf can plays piano awesome reading notes.He is academic. But he cannot play anything without them. He is prominent Earth,stellium in virgo, and Mercury in Aquarius.


As a random fact: I have seen lot of musicians who have strong Libra influence. Most of the time the Sun or Mercury.

[tsmall]

Musical talent divides in two:
The one which is academic, and the other which is naturally gifted.

There are people who cannot play a song without reading notes. And there are people like me and my cousin who can play piano without reading notes. We even don't know how to read musical notes. Just the feeling.
Perhaps I admire people who are academic musicians. I desire to learn to read music some day.

According to the book "The Aquarian Gospel of Jesus Christ" Musical ability that you have right now comes from past lives. i.e. house definitely 12th, maybe 8th, and could be the 4th also. This will be for the people who are naturally gifted.

For example: Both, me and my cousin have Venus in Scorpio....My cousin is Libra Sun with Mercury in Scorpio, and I have Mercury in Libra and my Venus rules my Mercury. Also in the whole house system I have Venus and Pluto in the 12th.

But I also have to give credit to people who are academic musicians:
I will have to say that academic musicians may have strong Air and Earth in their charts which give them a more sharped and analytical mind. And musical natural talent will be more of Fire and Water which are more ruled by feelings. adding 12th, and 8th houses
Example my bf can plays piano awesome reading notes.He is academic. But he cannot play anything without them. He is prominent Earth,stellium in virgo, and Mercury in Aquarius.


As a random fact: I have seen lot of musicians who have strong Libra influence. Most of the time the Sun or Mercury.


As another bolster to your example, I have Sun conjunct Murcury in Libra in 12th, strong Air (5 planet stellium and South Node in 12th, Libra ASC.) I am learning, slowly, to read music, but am a (power) Alto singer (harmony, ya know. :cool:) and rely on my "ear." Been singing with a group for 15 years, but don't ask me to sight read music, lol.

[danashock]

I have yet to check your chart. But artistic talent has many indicators,the most important ones are having lots of trines,or even a grand trine.
(particularly in water if you ask me).

Another indicator is the midheaven. If it was ruled by an artistic sign with planets like venus and jupiter there thats a great indicator,these signs are libra,taurus,pisces,leo. but i feel that libra is a stronger indicator than the rest of these signs.

A busy 12th house can indicate an a person that may have the idol and larger than life capacity that can make them into an archetype in the collective consciousness. A busy 5th,on the other hand is also artistic but more on the light hearted side of creativity,though quite powerful as well.

Ofcourse,a venus ruled chart is another clear indicator. And while youre at it,check what planets is venus aspecting. venus aspecting neptune (and venus in pisces) show a genuine artistic ability.

[tsmall]

I have yet to check your chart. But artistic talent has many indicators,the most important ones are having lots of trines,or even a grand trine.
(particularly in water if you ask me).

Another indicator is the midheaven. If it was ruled by an artistic sign with planets like venus and jupiter there thats a great indicator,these signs are libra,taurus,pisces,leo. but i feel that libra is a stronger indicator than the rest of these signs.

A busy 12th house can indicate an a person that may have the idol and larger than life capacity that can make them into an archetype in the collective consciousness. A busy 5th,on the other hand is also artistic but more on the light hearted side of creativity,though quite powerful as well.

Ofcourse,a venus ruled chart is another clear indicator. And while youre at it,check what planets is venus aspecting. venus aspecting neptune (and venus in pisces) show a genuine artistic ability.

I have Venus (chart ruler, with ASC in Libra) in an Earth grand trine (Venus in Virgo, Saturn in Taurus, and Mars in Capricorn.) Alto seems "earthy" and robust, no? Esp. compared to say, Soprano...more "airy" and light. Venus squares Neptune in Scorpio (water) and semisextiles the Sun/Mecury conjunction in Libra. Absolutely zero planets in 5th, but 5th cusp is Sagittarius (Jupiter rules.) Midheaven in Cancer, ruled by Moon...mine in Pisces in 6th. Venus in Virgo/11th in Fall, Moon in 6th, Cadent house..."Now I know why the caged bird sings..."

[astrologer50]

Greetings to all you musical enthusiasts, it's so nice seen how much of us share the love for the most beautiful of all arts :love::love::love::love:

I'm researching into the singers field and woder do anybody has a contact base or statistic source that could be seen and studdied ?

Would mind anybody give a try at my chart and in particular, this 3d House Neptune ? I'm searching for imputs on it but didnt find anything substantial . . mute oblige i guess :bandit: :biggrin: . . . .

What I suggest you do is go over to astotheme.com where they have loads of celebs charts and do the research there, to see if there is common demoninators.

piscesboy,I have been told that I by many that I have an "exceptional" and also "incredible" singing voice... but am too shy and fearful to take it any further:pinched: in that case you may only be a bathroom/shower singer :andy:

piscesboy,
I suggest your start your own thread in vocational posting your chart from astro.com with progressions and transits please?

progressions and transits on same wheel found in extended chart selection. Reduce the ratio of orbs to 80%, select smallest image size 63% on picture,then choose house system (my personal preference is for Equal house rather than the default of placidus), right mouse click and select 'save target pic as' and save to hard drive then upload here
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24043 (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24043)
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24042 (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24042)

the above threads are 'how to' get, select and post the correct charts.

Amyohmy,
please could you possibly do the same?


Artemisdaughter,Capricorn can be ambition this on the 5th to me would be someone working in creativity or very ambitious toward creation.
Saturn can bring in needed discipline required to practice, or a stage parent forcing one to preform.

We need to remember wherever saturn sits is where we 'lack confidence' and have to put in extra effort, the aspects shows if that will be easy or hard. But I feel saturn ruling 5th (without looking at planets posited there) will suggest delays, frustrations and limitations, well renowned to be saturnian qualities...

[jur11]

Hi, I found this forum, and this thread because I googled what indicates musical talent in a chart.. I am a keen astrology buff, but limited in knowledge. I wondered if I could hop on and post my chart - with the same sort of question, are there indicators of musical talent/what direction this might take shown in my chart please?
Would be much appreciated, am at a bit of a major turning point it feels in life (could be age related too of course..!) and am looking for clues...

I hope I have posted the link to my chart correctly. Having said that I've tried unsuccessfully to post a link to my chart on Astrodienst - so I have put my DOB below. If anyone would be able to let me know how best to provide link to chart I would be grateful.

Thank you in advance.

D.O.B 08.04.62 11.05 a.m British mean time.

[astrologer50]

jur11,
the link you posted doesn't work. Probably best to start your own new thread and learn to upload properly...

How to attach a chart as thumbnail
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12126 (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12126)

what members like to see in a thread – help forum
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=25930 (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=25930)

[jur11]

Thank you for the detailed information about how to post a chart and suggestion to start a new thread - will do.

[bubuza_dulce]

I can give some examples here.

I have a Grand Trine in water (as part of a kite) and I never considered myself talented in music. But... I studied piano 8 years (until high-school) and I knew lots of people more talented than me. I would like to show you the chart of two of my ex-colleagues who were the most talented in my class.
I erased all their data and I named them A and B (both girls).

So A was very good at piano playing, a true natural talent and was also very ambitious. Over the years she grew more and more ambitious (I think it consumes her!) and she chose to use her voice instead of her hands. She treasures her voice, she studied the Conservatory, sings in a band and easier Opera parts and tries to make her debut on TV. I personally don't enjoy her voice, it's a bit squeaky (?), but I'm amazed as I remember the huge talent she has and it doesn't show since she uses only her voice and many people just like me fail to see a great talent. I hope she'll find a use for that talent and be happy someday!

B was even more talented at piano-playing, I don't know much about her, she studied the Conservatory and the last time I heard she taught piano lessons. I hope she'll find a way for her huge talent to manifest.

So what do you think about their charts?(I don't know the hour in any of them, I put noon).

[AnnaLeland]

What in a natal chart shows talent for dancing?


my blog (http://missingyou-poems.blogspot.com//)

[twelthnight]

I have yet to check your chart. But artistic talent has many indicators,the most important ones are having lots of trines,or even a grand trine.
(particularly in water if you ask me).

Another indicator is the midheaven. If it was ruled by an artistic sign with planets like venus and jupiter there thats a great indicator,these signs are libra,taurus,pisces,leo. but i feel that libra is a stronger indicator than the rest of these signs.

A busy 12th house can indicate an a person that may have the idol and larger than life capacity that can make them into an archetype in the collective consciousness. A busy 5th,on the other hand is also artistic but more on the light hearted side of creativity,though quite powerful as well.

Ofcourse,a venus ruled chart is another clear indicator. And while youre at it,check what planets is venus aspecting. venus aspecting neptune (and venus in pisces) show a genuine artistic ability.

Have to add here, my bf is a pro musician and gets to do what he loves for a good living/ tours the world, plays on well known albums etc...he has Virgo mc! He is known for his intense work ethic and precision...IN MUSIC. Be careful not be generalise here.

saggy rising as well...but chart ruler is in 12th and venus is conjunct neptune.

[rahbani89]

So glad I came across this topic, tons of information and ideas I would have never figured out on my own. Thank you for that! I feel a lot of the ideas presented here apply to my chart but would love to get a closer examination from more qualified people. Any comments or help would be greatly appreciated :)

[DoubleDare]

I too ran across this discussion on a google search for musical talent in astrology. I've had a few people say that singing would be a good focus on my need for communication and I've always been highly conplemented on my voice in theatre auditions (not so much the acting I'm afraid!).Would you please take a look at my chart?

August 13, 1994- 9:28 am (Miami Dade, Florida)

[astrologer50]

rahban and doubledare,

You will probably get more responses IF you both create your own threads and give out more details and information..

How to find your career- sticky in Vocational Forum
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=32775 (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=32775)
please give some background ie: education, aspirations, options

I would also mention that in *this forum* you are expected to give your own astrological interpretations, or the thread will be moved to Read My Chart forum. If you cannot do this I suggest you post in RMC forum

[Nickidan]

Interesting

[Nickidan]

I love to sing and I feel I have a natural talent. Are they any indicators in my natal chart for music talent too?? :joyful:

I'm new on this site but I'll like someone to read my chart. So I attached an image below (under attachments). I blocked out my time of birth and birthplace for privacy reasons, but it shouldn't matter it has the important stuff anyway.


Thanks Who-Ever Replies :D

*I WILL NOT GIVE OUT MY BIRTH-TIME OR BIRTHPLACE* PRIVACY REASONS