Upcoming Solar Eclipse

[cjc]

As the upcoming Solar Eclipse is just around the corner, there may (er... WILL) be a ton of posts asking what influence it will have on a chart if it conjucts a natal planet. (As it will be within 10 minutes of my Moon, I've been doing some research in texts and on the web.)

I found a site that has a couple interpretations for most planets (one list ignores the outers as they're generational), and thought those of you who will have the same question may want to look up meanings rather than start new "eclipse threads."

Here's the site:

http://www.astrocollege.com/campus/libraries/Hey_Who_Turned_Off_The_Light--The_Eclipse_In_Natal_Astrology.pdf


And I'd like to know what the more advanced members think of these. I personally think they're a little vague.

Thanx!

c

[starlink]

Hello CJC, yes, I agree with you, the site is very shallow.

A Solar Eclipse usually has an influence over the area of life (the house) it falls in and when it also happens to conjunct or opposes a personal planet or ruler of Ascendant, Sun or Moon, the effect could be somewhat more pronounced. Conjunction is the most important, followed by the opposition and the orbs should be preferably within 2° max. Other aspects can also be considered but are much subsidiary to the conjunction.
Also an eclipse occuring near an angle is important of course.

The effects of an Eclipse, as with anything else in the chart, depends very much on which important transits or progressions are at the same time activating the birthchart. When Uranus is transiting the Ascendant and Saturn conjuncts your Sun, and when you then also have an Eclipse during that time, then a Solar Eclipse can bring a time of great importance and major change. Lunar Eclipses are more times of new beginnings and also have tô be viewed in conjunction with other transits and/or progressions.
If none of those are present, then sometimes you could experience times of irritation, but nothing dramatic.

Eclipses, New and Full Moons, can often act as trigger points for activity associate with other transits and progressions.
Eclipses do tend to have a negative press, but can however turn out to be favorable if other transits/progressions are favorable as well at the time.

The same happens when an Eclipse, New or Full Moon conjuncts a planet.
There could be an action which is still dormant until another planet transits that same point later. So with the upcoming Solar Eclipse,watch that 9° Leo in your chart for other planets transiting over it!That's why some Eclipses activation (when you notice something happening) can happen sometimes after months. Sometimes you see things happening around 2 to 3 weeks later, sometimes a year later.

Some astrologers have not noticed anything more happening after an Eclipse than after a normal Lunation, they find them not more potent. After all, an Eclipse is also a lunation.

Personally I also have not really noticed anything different or more spectacular happening with an Eclipse than with a Full or New Moon. I will closely look at the upcoming one because it conjuncts my Pluto, ruler of my Ascendant at 11° Leo. In other words, it could have an impact on myself, my physical body, my ideology (it falls in my 9th house), or my religious belief.
I am very curious!

Cheers, Starlink

[cjc]

Starlink,

Don't tell me you're as old as I am! My Moon (9Le42) is conj Pluto at 8Le04. So we can both watch this one! Ironically, that link says something about retirement if the eclipse is on Pluto... and I'm filing for Social Security!

However, I feel eclipses go a little beyond normal lunations as eclipses require involvement of the nodes, which would bring social or karmic influences (depending on your interpretation) into the equation.

Keep our fingers crossed!

c

[blueheron]

Starlink,

Don't tell me you're as old as I am! My Moon (9Le42) is conj Pluto at 8Le04. So we can both watch this one! Ironically, that link says something about retirement if the eclipse is on Pluto... and I'm filing for Social Security!

However, I feel eclipses go a little beyond normal lunations as eclipses require involvement of the nodes, which would bring social or karmic influences (depending on your interpretation) into the equation.

Keep our fingers crossed!

c

Keep wondering how this eclipse is going to manifest in the Pluto in Leo generation... (we're not that old... :p )

[cjc]

As I always say... Old enough to know better... but young enough to try!

Growing old is destiny.
Growing up is optional!

c

[starlink]

Ha ha, CJC, yes dear, I am that young! But thank God I dont look it (yet). I still get guys 15 years younger coming after me, so that is quite reassuring:)
I am certainly young enough to (still) try......

Oh, and by the way, that Eclipse is falling conjunct the Ascendant of my daughter (10° Leo) so I guess something is going to happen in the family.

Naughty me:)
Starlink

[aquarius7000]

Growing old is destiny. Growing up is optional!So apt, these words cjc, and so I just had to stop by to say this:D.

Star,

I don't know what to expect of this solar eclipse either, I have a ca 25° Leo Asc. My mum has an 11° Leo Sun.:rolleyes:
:sunny:aquarius7000

[blueheron]

As I always say... Old enough to know better... but young enough to try!

Growing old is destiny.
Growing up is optional!

c

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[starlink]

I think I will go back in time and search for another very close Eclipse in my chart and try to remember (not easy these days....) what happened then!! I must admit, I am not a person who freaks out over what happens in the sky's and to my chart like so many in this Forum. Call it fatalistic, very Plutonian indeed (I have a Tsquare between Pluto-Apex, and Sun opp. Moon. )
The only thing I AM concerned about really, is the approaching Solar Arc Pluto (2 more degrees to go) going to conjunct the Ascendant of my granddaughter. She will be 3 now. Anything that would happen to my children and grandchildren would really throw me over!

Star

[CuriousGirl]

This will be on my natal north node. I looked it up online and an article says it should be treated as a very strong new moon, perfect for new beginnings and life-changing events.
I hope this means that I'll go to university from September :)

[4leafclovah]

This eclipse will be 5 degrees from my ascendant and 6 degrees from my moon. I already had an eclipse to my sun last year,so Im bracing for something regarding my health. I have been feeling really lethargic and have scheduled to get blood work done next week and it wouldn't suprise me at all if it came back iffy. With Leo ruling vitality( and ruling my ascendant) I think I have to expect that some of this will relate to my health, otherwise the eclipse makes positive aspects to most of my planets.

[4leafclovah]

So this eclipse will accompany the dragon's tail, right? I'm still confused about how this works. I have read that solar eclipses tend to be more fortunate than Lunar eclipses, but then again its not a dragon's head eclipse so would that mean that this eclipse might not be as fortunate? Anyone know?

[Moon Shadow]

This solar eclipse will exactly to my natal mars :86: on my first house, squaring natal mercury and neptune, so it will activate hardly my natal Tsquare...i think there will be some karmic lessons, tests for sure, as SN is also close there in the sun-moon conjunction.
Mars is the ruler of my natal sun sign (aries) and the ruler of my 10th house.
I am really curious what this eclipse will bring to me, but will see...

Moon Shadow

[cjc]

I just checked Hand's take on eclipses... He says the most impact is when they conjunct or oppose a natal planet or angle, and the impact is most frequently felt following a triggering transit, most frequently by the Sun or Mars.

Well, as the Sun conjuncts my Moon 10 hours after the eclipse and Mars conjuncts my Jupiter 4 days later, this one should be fun to watch.

I'll let you know.

c

[aquarius7000]

I just checked Hand's take on eclipses... He says the most impact is when they conjunct or oppose a natal planet or angle, and the impact is most frequently felt following a triggering transit, most frequently by the Sun or Mars.
And out of some first-hand experience of the annual solar eclipse 2008, I can say that Robert Hand's take seems to carry weight, IMO.

I had the annual solar eclipse:cool:, which happened on Feb 7, this year at 17°56 in Aquarius, pretty much smack on (conjunct) my Aquarius Sun (at 18°7):29:.

I have my Sun (conj Mer) in the 6th house (daily work & health), and, honestly, exactly as of that day (also my birthday: Feb 7) problems started at my workplace for me, catching me rather unawares. On Feb 7, I was to fly on a business trip to Brussels to attend an important meeting, and reached the airport, only to be told that the flight has been cancelled!! Then there were some further, really drastic problems with a new colleague, which lingered on until last month. Late June, after that problem got resolved somehow after a lot of mess, health problems started like bad stiffness of the neck and shoulder and minor back problems; keeping me literally stuck in bed for a few days together. I've never had such issues before, neither on the work nor on the health front!!

I am now a bit anxious about the upcoming solar eclipse, which this time is about 15° away from my Leo Rising. So this seems like my very own personal year of eclipses:o. By the way, my mum has also been somewhat in the shadow of the eclipses this year. She has an Aquarius Rising, and an 11° Leo Sun.

Did some digging on the web, and found this rather informative link about the Aug 1 eclipse:
http://www.astrologycom.com/eclipse.html

:sunny:aquarius7000

[tsquare]

I wonder How it will effect the leos.
I have a leo asc as well, 15 degrees.

6 degrees off my asc in my 12H....I havn't been feeling too hot lately...just a little stressed, a little worn out, some stomach issues, and general weakness...not a good time for that...

No conjunctions though.
The eclipse will not be visible for me as well...I won't be able to watch it.
Interesting that this is taking place around the Olympic games....I am so slow with this stuff...always a step behind major events, just seen this today.
I should be paying attention to the moon more but havn't had the opportunity to get into it. I have a leo moon, 23rd degree. near the asc.
Cancer sun.

I know a few leos with the sun on the 9th degree in their natal charts...so it is wait and see....hope all goes well for them.

[starlink]

I know a few leos with the sun on the 9th degree in their natal charts
and one of them is Barrack Obama!

[tsquare]

and one of them is Barrack Obama!

Good Eye.:)
Thanks,
Tsquare

[blueheron]

I read that only a 2 degree orb for the eclipse is considered valid. Dunno if that's true or not.

[cjc]

I read that only a 2 degree orb for the eclipse is considered valid. Dunno if that's true or not.

I'll buy that as I usually use small orbs. But, what's your source?

c

[tsquare]

My dad has uranus on the 9th degree of leo....IC on the 10th....
I'll have to keep an eye on him now as well....couldn't find anything on solar eclipses on planets.....let alone angles....but an exact conjunction with a planet 1 degree off the IC in the third should add up to something.....we don't talk much at all so I probably won't find out but can't help but be curious, anyone have any idea what to look for with that?
He has nice aspects to uranus....a mars trine....both sextile the asc...sextile his mercury as well and It is wide for his sun I think....so uranus is improtant....Aquarious MH....maybie something with the job...
ahhh...dont worry about it....I'll dig up something..I'm so stretched out right now the way it is and wouldn't be able to respond anyway....but thought it interesting. Even though we don't get along I hope things go alright...he's my Darth Vader.

[cjc]

T2, I wouldn't worry too much about Ur. Trasnits BY the outers are much more imprtant than transits TO the outers. They're generational and everyone near his age would be affected. If this were of great importance everyone in his high-school class should be shaking in their boots.

However, if it's that close to his IC, there could be some problems with his home or mother.

I think we're all gonna have to watch this one.

c

[blueheron]

I'll buy that as I usually use small orbs. But, what's your source?

c

I can't remember. It's been recent, so probably somewhere on this forum. I don't stand by it, though I prefer small orbs as well.

[aquarius7000]

Hi all,

The link below throws some light on eclipses; might be interesting for you all, too:

http://www.skyscript.co.uk/eclipserules.html

:)aquarius7000

[tsquare]

cjc:
T2, I wouldn't worry too much about Ur. Trasnits BY the outers are much more imprtant than transits TO the outers. They're generational and everyone near his age would be affected. If this were of great importance everyone in his high-school class should be shaking in their boots.
True, never thought of that, I was excited just to see a planet of a relative aspect so tight...

However, if it's that close to his IC, there could be some problems with his home or mother.

I think we're all gonna have to watch this one.

c

Today I was about to send Grandma an Email..I haven't spoken to her for some time.
It wasn't going to be a very nice letter, maybe I'll hold off on it.
the family situation is a mess on that side of the family, but has been for some time, and not only concerning me, it's been a mess in general for years for all involved....odd I thought of writing her a letter today...that thought doesn't occur more then 1 time every 3 months.
There are a few documents, and a bit of a liar on that side of the family...and I was just about to, without forethought to astrology, send out to each family member court documents concerning a certain situation that had occurred in the past. It's a big family.
I have held back on doing so for some time, years...and just recently thought it to be a good idea....Not sure now.
Maybe it's not a good idea, maybe it is.
The documents concern my father...so I find this somewhat odd.
I thought also of driving 80 miles to hand drop off the documents.I haven't been down there for some time......years.
So....the timing is really odd.....I just had the thought after I posted a chart recently, I decided tonight to go through some old documents I haven't looked at for, once again, years....
What I read brought back that familiar knot in the stomach...and I realised I was sick of it, and it was going to be made known to those who were lied to..I ahve had the additude that it would be uselss to do i the past...but tonight I began to wonder about it, and just decided that it needed to be done, I felt like I could finally do it, I'd like the to know the truth, I've grown tired of being missrepresented, I had earlier decided that if they were dumb enough to believe it so be it......
Oddly my solar return asc(recent July 22nd) is conj. jupiter in scorpio...scorpio is on my 4thH......making things known, and confidence in doing so....maybe....
I need to sleep on it now after seeing this...after I read those papers again that I had stored away for years I grew mad, I had even forgotten what they had said...that's how far I put it out of mind.
The timing is odd becuase of other things I have going on as well....really the timing is poor, I don't know what I was thinking o even why I thought to do such now.
Anyway a good nites rest sounds like a good idea, look it over tomarrow.

Thanks,:)

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aquarius7000 Hi all,

The link below throws some light on eclipses; might be interesting for you all, too:

http://www.skyscript.co.uk/eclipserules.html

:)aquarius7000

Thanks for this, just what I was looking for, angles covered as well.:)



Tsquare

[starlink]

Yes Blueheron, also Stephen Arroyo gives a max. 2° to an Eclipse conjunction and opposition. (personally I would take a bit more for the opposition though). Robert Hand is great, so I also find conjunctions and oppositions the most important but do not dismiss the squares.

The effect of a Solar Eclipse can spread over a long period of time afterwards as most of us know. Say a new Moon separating from the conjunction of Mars conjunct Uranus in the birth chart one month, will very likely to be square the natal conjunction three months later. Six months later may even oppose this conjunction and all the intening new Moons will have made minor or softer aspects each month.. So this conjunction will be activated over quite a long time until the next lunation, showing a period with a lot of high energy and probably unexpected happenings.

Cheers, Starlink

[smilingsteph]

Since I am new with progressions and transits...not sure what a solar eclipse would even be as concerned with that either...
How would I see the eclipse in my chart?
How would I pull up the chart on astro.com
and what is something significant I can look at as far as concerning myself?
I have tomorrow off of work and I woud like to research this and take some time on it...any websites?
Thanks
Hugs :) :) :)

[Neptune Rising]

My friend's little boy has a 9 degree Leo Sun so this eclipse will land directly on that and opposite his natal 10 degree Neptune. It will also square his Juno.

He also has Uranus transiting conjunct his MC at the moment. His parents are going through some real upheaval at the moment, not sure what this eclipse will bring, maybe something good - he also has transiting Venus conjunct his Jupiter that day, and transiting Jupiter conjuncting his Chiron.

NR

[cjc]

T2, Good luck with your situation. Maybe one of the horary experts here could use the time stamp on your message and take a look for you???

Steph, If you want, PM me your stats and I'll run you off a biwheel.


I kinda forgot about a rather close conjunction that will happen with the eclipse that I should keep an eve on. It will be just 1 degree from my x's Sun. (Remember Jung's "Synchronicity?" Although he doesn't spell out specifics, the connection between the Sun of one marriage partner and the Moon of the other is the most common astrological link, happening far, far, far more frequently than chance would allow.) If we were still married, the marital impact of the eclipse hitting right on her Sun and and my Moon would be interesting to watch. It was just a couple days after an annular solar eclipse at 6 Aquarius in 1990 (opposition) that she laid the big D on me.

Yep. Gonna watch this one!

c

[blueheron]

Hi all,

The link below throws some light on eclipses; might be interesting for you all, too:

http://www.skyscript.co.uk/eclipserules.html

:)aquarius7000

Good information. Thanx for the post. :)

[cjc]

Oh, yes, Gesso...

And check any MPs near 39-1/2 on the 90-degree scale (9.5 Fixed)

c

[tootsie]

Interesting, I have done some research on eclipses. The transits reactivate them sun things happen w/in a couple of days, Mars 3 days, Jupiter months & Saturn brings closure to the event. A dragon's head doesn't necessarily mean positive, but is more an influx of energy with a solar eclipse for good/bad. You will also want to look @ any planets it opposes....speaking from personal experience it can be impt. This eclipse isn't as powerful as the next, but if it falls in a significant part of your n chart & planets it contacts you will want to add pts to the power it has.
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[cjc]

Tootsie,

I have at least 4 charts here with Venus in critical degrees of Aq for this eclipse. Any speculation as to what these people can expect?

Thanx!

c

[cjc]

Gesso...

I've been getting lectures on other threads to monitor my relocated chart... So I guess he should watch it, too.

c

[tootsie]

Hi Cjc, Venus is about comforts, karmic attractions & what attracts us to others, but does offer some protection. This is a dragon's head so it should be more positive. I would look to the house that it rules for extra information on the changes that are to follow as well as the applying aspects. Also, the house that the eclipse falls in will show nature of events. Critical degrees does show a flow of energy coming forth. Then, you will want to also look to the house it opposes which usually shows something that will be somewhat difficult. For example, the 10th with solar eclipse dragon head you may be busy doing things with your career, but your home life and relationships will suffer with family...the 4rth. I know pretty generic example. :p
What house does the eclipse fall in?
cheers!
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[tootsie]

Hi Cjc, Just a ps. Going on my own experience as an example, the eclipses have been falling primarily in my 10th and 4rth houses of late. Dragon tail in the 10th, nothing but trouble with work. Deception...people trying to take my deals & problems with contracts....can't trust people I work with. To note had neptune and mercury transits in there. Won't bore you with the details. Transists with Mars, couldn't work because of health problems, fired...then had to resign from another job because of occurrances. The dragons head was in the 4rth, my children moved out and left me with huge rent pmts. Some occurred withing pretty much of the reactivation of the eclipse close to what would be expected. You need to look @ the whole picture with the transits & progressions ect.
Hope this has helped some, maybe if you posted the charts we could help you.
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[cjc]

Gesso, Hold her hand for me! As I've said so many times, this is going to be one for a lot of us to watch!

Tootsie, thanks for the insight. I'm not going to bother you with the houses involved in all those charts. It's just so unusual to put this much importance on a lunar transit... Normally, we think of them as a passing mood and don't get too worked up. Even much the same with a solar transit. And virtually nobody looks at a transif by the nodes (Dragon's Head, Tail). BUT, twice a year or so, these three come together. And frankly, I'm waiting to see how this opposition to Venus pans out for these ladies. :60: What? Moi avec une evil grin???

Have a great night!

c

[aquarius7000]

Hi,

I read somewhere that an eclipse could be understood somewhat like a Saturn transit, and the effects might last for at least a few months if not longer, of course depending on which planets the eclipse conjuncts..

:)aquarius7000

[cjc]

Hey, Tik...

This is what I was looking for. Unfortunately, I'm not Lehman's biggest fan, but it's very simple to check these out.

http://leelehman.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=19&Itemid=26

But what the hey is she talking about oppositions in a solar eclipse???

"These solar eclipse positions are calculated for the exact opposition of the Sun and the Moon in tropical longitude. This is not the eclipse maxima. Computed by Solar Fire Gold (version 7). (Guess she drank too much water out of the Raritan River...)_"

I have to say that purchasing one of her books (Ultimate Asteroid Book) was one of the biggest wastes of $20 I can remember making.
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For those of you who didn't catch the original dialog under relocation charts, Tik was suggesting I check out past eclipses in the relocated as well as the natal charts... I'll admit, Ive gotten lazy as computers now do the same work in milliseconds that used to take us the better part of an hour. Therefore, I was looking for a list of eclipses and zodiacal positions (rather than backtrackin with several charts for each date) and had a bit of trouble.

Look at this list (and I suspect there will be a similar list for Lunar eclipses) and if you see an eclipse within orb for an important aspect to a planet or point in your chart. Then think back to see what happened then. Judge the future by applying the history.

c

[zohra]

well i will have the eclipse on my 5 house leo and it will conjunct my moon (over the orb is large) moon natal positioned at 3degre 27 . At the same time, i will have jupiter (lord 9/10) retrograde and stationary and conjonct my sun 10th house (sun lord 6)

so we will see

[tootsie]

Hi All, I bought this book on eclipses & it lists the planets and dates for the transists. http://www.moonvalleyastrologer.com/
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[skywatcher1221]

and one of them is Barrack Obama!
George W. Bush's Ascendant, Mercury, and Pluto are also "darkened" by the solar eclipse.

[starlink]

there could be some problems with his home or mother.


Or the father! Traditional astrology takes the 10th house for the father.


My dad has uranus on the 9th degree of leo....IC on the 10th....??


what do you mean by that Tsquare?

so uranus is improtant....Aquarious MH....

So your dad has Aquarius MC and Uranus in the 4th? (IC).
I think the Eclipse in his case can have positive results. Are there any difficult transits in his chart at the moment?
It could well have to do with his career I think which will affect his family life.


1 degree off the IC in the third

You can count this planet as being in the 4th house Tsquare. Any planet within 5° of the next cusp will be seen as being in the next house. So the 4th and 10th house could be influenced by this Solar Eclipse.

Cheers, Starlink

[Moon Shadow]

Hi again,

I was doing some researches to get more infos about the Solar Eclipse.
Below there are some links:

http://lunarjournaling.blogspot.com/

http://www.astrowisdom.com/thisnewmoon.htm

http://celestialspace.wordpress.com/2008/07/29/new-moon-in-leo-and-solar-eclipse-on-august-1st-2008/

I hope this will give some hints.

[starlink]

Oh thanks Tootsie, all information is welcome, also the links Moonshadow has given us. OK guys lets start reading!!
I just realized that the Eclipse will conjunct with an almost 2° orb, my natal Pluto, ruler of my Ascendant and that Pluto is square my Moon and my Sun!!
Wonder if the T-square will be energized through this at some point. I would not be surprised..... I better fasten my seatbelts!!
Cheers, Starlink

[Moon Shadow]

What do you say about this articles? Sounds interesting...

http://www.lunarliving.org/articles/se0801_08.shtml

http://www.bigskyastrology.com/articles/eclipse/eclipseintro.html

On the second one below we have some explanations on eclipses on axis...

Enjoy!

MoonShadow

[tootsie]

Yes, I think it is time to buckle up and start reading!:cool: The eclipse falls conj my uranus :eek: ...guess I can expect the unexpected.
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[tsquare]

Quote:

My dad has Uranus on the 9th degree of leo....IC on the 10th....??

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Starlink Quote:
what do you mean by that Tsquare?

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I think you got it.
Uranus in the 3rdHouse on the 9th degree of Leo.....the IC is on the 10th degree of leo...so yes they are conj and there is a carry over to the 4thH from the 3rdH of uranus...
uranus is opposite his midheaven.


If you are curious about his chart it can be found on the deceptive persons thread.......right near the end of the thread...my last post in it.
IT is an intersting chart, but I don't have time to work on it now...all of his angles aspect another with trines and sextiles....He is fairly lucky for how bad of a person he can be.....


If he has anything to worry about it is me sending those papers.....and I have decided to do it...right befoe I move...I will be accepting an invitation, and I will be everything i need for the showdown.....
He thinks he has won...destroyed me, mentally, spiritually(not a chance), physically, he is so smug about this......he knows little about me these days, he doesn't know my recovery from the last attack......fucker is going down........
He has broken many laws, he has defied many court orders.....stolen money in large amounts....I have a lawyer...
I am about to legally destroy him.
In the past he has tried to bait me into conflicts.....I have laid low, recovered, am together.....and ohhhh so pisssed offf..but I am composed...together, prepared, ready for war....never bite a lion on the leg, he comes back to get you.

I can shrug allot of things off.....but I will not ignore an attempt to frame me for a 23 year maximum jail sentence....
I've been quiet and layed back....I never say much about it to anyone anywhere.....but now I'm doing it today...papers are being sent off.....it's over...

He will have the unexpected come his way.
Legally he is about to be cut.
Also the family will see his lies for the first...I have been his patsy for some time now...
Many don't want to confront the lies...it is too mch for them, but i will not ******* live a lie.
fool me once shame on me......fool me 33 times shame on you....having those times documented...priceless.


I won't be watching the sky for some time.....legal concerns and a move coming up..I have tried to gather as much as I can from astro for this...I feel preepared....I always wish there was more time but now is the time to do it.
papers are being sent off durring the new moon by email and by mail to family so they may see what is coming, no one wil be able to stop it, then a restraining order will be placed, it has been nice to learn my rights....I only hope this is wise durring the new moon..intution tells me the time is now..so I am taking it, I don't have the time to be fearfull about this so what happens happens......I don't see how he ould be protected...the lies are so blatlenly false....accuasations that place me at places and times that I could have never been at, I have witnesses, ex: would be I was at schol at hte time...things like that...the witnesses are trespected members of the community....also the 3 fellonies and such that i supposedly have are on me record with any court system. That is why his affidavit was thrown out of court..that was the partial reason...there is more to it then just that one lie alone....there are 10 pages of outright lies...
I'm not happy or sad, mad.....just ready...prepared....slghtly ruthless.....not worried about it at all....It's just time.
Wisdom without any power used is th ask for death...it is to be a marytar....I'm not interested in being one....there is victory....that is with rightness and dominance....I will use both....Marytardom is rightness - dominance + submission= sacrafice and death.......I chose to dominate instead, for the sake of victory...I wish I could say that i started this...but I will nt accept resposability for his actions just yet....he wouldn't allow it anyhow....he would jsut come again....I do nt understand the relationship or the hate he has for me, other then maybe he never watned a child....either way he had one, when I was successfull he would do whatever he could to destroy it...I thought at one time I was just being too self important about this.......the ego is important to the health....to not do this is to surcumb to lies and illness coaused by living lies......I supose fire is the only way to go if I like to live...and I still like life....I want to live....so sorry family, sorry Father...the truth breaks hearts, but I will not live a lie for Him so the family cn have some form of pleasant appearance.

The finacial woes he will face come from defying court orders against my mother concernig mineral rights that are her own.....there was a well placed ont aht land recently....he will loose that money and much else for defying the court order....there are many other court orders as well he has deffied.......it is coming back on him....
He has no shortage of money....he is very wealthy.....it is just greed....it has allot to do with my own wound against materailinsm that i have had to work on, and the work has goine well.....I don't despise money for the sake of despising money....I have healied up the actual reasons behind it...I can have things again and not feel threatened by them....that took allot of work...I am still becoming used to that.

I will be busy,
Tsquare

[cjc]

T2,

From what you describe, maybe I would look at Ur in hs chart not as conj the IC, but opposite the MC, the traditional point for fatherhood...

How's the synastry between you? After more than 30 years in this practice, I just thought to do the synastry between my father and me. A real eye-opener, even without the birth time.

Think, too, of whatever transits affect aspected planet pairs in the synastry, especially any semi-sextiles and inconjuncts because most likely a good transit for one will be a bad transit for the other.

Good luck!

c

[tootsie]

Hi T-square, Maybe you should post your charts so the rest of us can take a look & offer some suggestions.
cheers!
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[universal]

One of Tootsie's posts here mentioned a book and a website. Regarding that website, I just visited it - www.moonvalleyastrologer.com (http://www.moonvalleyastrologer.com) - and if you click on "US Forecast", Celeste Teal goes into extensive detail on the upcoming solar eclipse (and the upcoming lunar one too). I found her analysis unnerving. Not good bedtime reading for the faint of heart, or anybody who is not into shocking events. But loads of insight for the big picture and even down to your chart.

[tootsie]

Hi Universal, Yes, it is not bed time reading. All eclipses have a life of their own for better or worse. It always signifies changes.
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[tsquare]

Hi T-square, Maybe you should post your charts so the rest of us can take a look & offer some suggestions.
cheers!

I'd love to but just don't have the time right now....
I have to renew my Drivers ID today...go to the gym, I have time today for an extended deep meditation..I rarely have enough time to run anything deep as of late....and now fill out some new papers...I have not sent off the papers like I was going to....I spoke to someone who caught me right as I was to send them....we discussed it some....they mentioned making another legal action before sending the papers...so it is bumped back one step in the process after some further thought, as things came up....but I am running out of back burners......I have allot going on right now...I am swimming in problems...this I would like resolved..it creates some more problems then what it solves concerning family....but it solves a great many others. It creates a nice 'dont **** with me" Aura...and I need that..I ahve been to selfless throught it all..mostly though because I knew it was a war I could not yet win....so it has been me buying time....with things on the backburner more comes up...spoke to my cousin....he is upset about hiow much he was manipulated but I had to talk him into not saying much about anything till I make a few moves....the legal system is slow...and not very penatrating...but as far as legal action goes.........my father is one who understands only fear as respect......I have had a very hard time understanding those types myself....to me respect is a mutual things....so it is as if I have to scare him into backing off...bu have to use legal chanells....really the situation is really written all over my natal itself..ther is so much there as well......sun square saturn is a good indicator itself of how things have gone......saturn in the third and it has revolved arround education.....brothers....etc...so...I don;t know....
What I would like to do at some time is put all the charts together and place all my observations on paper..getting it all down is the hard part...at least the observations....getting the charts together is the easy part...that way there is plenty of background..I have thought of ways of doing this...taperecorder sounds like a good route to catch observations...observations seem to come and vansh as they like sometimes......but it would have to be a future project...ther ejust isn't the time now...to me the future is 3 days from now(laugh)...I have had a very narrow view of the future lately....I can't take responseablity for more then that till things are a bit more stable.....I ahve had trouble balancing time lately too many unknowns and much changes fast and unexpectedly....

I may have some unexpected time, so may post the charts on another thread and link form here just to put them down so it is ready later...making my own observations I have done much of...but not much down on paper.....I work on so much at once it has been hard for me to find a system.....I thought of starting a thread on just systems and ways of keeping track of chart reading data.....really to get an idea of how others read charts and place their data down...for me things are very intuitive...or at least i use the subconcious a great deal..sometimes answers on a chart wont come for a few days...about 3...then hey will come flying....data I needed...questions I asked for answers too...it can take 3 days for the sunconcious to answer.


T2,

From what you describe, maybe I would look at Ur in hs chart not as conj the IC, but opposite the MC, the traditional point for fatherhood...

How's the synastry between you? After more than 30 years in this practice, I just thought to do the synastry between my father and me. A real eye-opener, even without the birth time.

Think, too, of whatever transits affect aspected planet pairs in the synastry, especially any semi-sextiles and inconjuncts because most likely a good transit for one will be a bad transit for the other.

Good luck!

c

Thank you very much,
I havn't paid to much attention to the inconjuncts or "minor" aspects....in the synastry....I missed those while looking at the other charts....I havn't given the synastry too much focus....but i can see my sun squaring his NN to be a good deal....this is why I would like to write up more later.......it helps give a better time frame in order to pinpoint aspects....
Much of his influence shows up in the natal alone...sun square saturn is an aspect I have....My third hose tells my life story almost by itself.....so there is much to look at for me....

Thank you for that though...I have been a bit behind on my online activity with everything going on so it has been hard to thank eveyone so I want to say thanks everyone for now....I'm a littel cooked right now mind wise....so may crash for a few days....weeks...(laugh) I never know...but I have been working very hard as of late.....so there is much that has been neglected in other areas of my life...
I will have to look the synastry over some more later.

Thanks all,:)
Tsquare:)

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[cjc]

Everyone survive the eclipse????? I woke up in time, but couldn't see it here in Jersey...

About the semi-sextile and inconjunct... NEVER UNDERESTIMATE THE IMPORTANCE OF THESE 2 ASPECTS!

As aspects, they're not that strong (although Hand did see fit to include the inconjunct in his Planets in Youth), BUT as there are 30-degree differences between a sextile and a square and a square and a trine, tight semi-sextiles and inconjuncts will result in an imbalance when transited. One of the pair will have a favorable transit while the other will have a difficult transit from the same transiting planet, resulting in one of those situations where areas of life signified by the planets involved run rough or smooth at the same time. I have a tight semi-sextile between my Sun and my Venus/ Ascendant conjuction. Life great; love sux; or vice versa. I also have a tight inconjunct between Mercury and Jupiter.

Same holds true in synastry. Beware if you find these aspects between the same planets in 2 charts... One person will be up while the other is down in that area of life, and if this happens with important personal planets, I would not predict a "happily ever after for that couple."

(He gets down from the soap box.)

c

[smilingsteph]

Well
The eclipse:
Seemed to make people act as though there were a full moon. People's otherwise nice natural personalities seemed unstable....as though they were not sure how to act...
The sun conjunct my natal jupiter in the sixth house...
The site that one of the members gave us, said I would basically get fat and be slovenly....
I dont know how the sun conjunct my jupiter will behave?
Anyhow, all I can say is that yesterday was strange....
There were dead beetles thousands of them outside of the grocery store I went to that morning, and there were roaches crawling around at work in the hospital, scary and yucky!

[VENUS]

Hey all,
At the begginning of this thread, i was reading that some of you were wondering what an eclipse can trigger, and how much impact it can have...well let me tell you one of the worst experiences.... the eclipse that was 6 months ago (Feb7th+feb 21st) it conjuncted my 7th house ruler in the 5th house opp transiting saturn, it was conjuncted my X's venus....i was seeing him for a year and a half and we were "so in love" i thought that was it for me.....until i found out HE WAS MARRIED :eek: ....his best friend was so disguisted and couldnt take it anymore and let the cat out of the bag....i was crushed and my world fell apart but i was happy i found out (eclipse brings things out in the open)
lucky enough for me, im strong and i was immiediately OUT.....
The eclipse that just passed on aug 1st was opp my natal sun (only thing i felt SO FAR was just feeling a little bi-polar on and off (my natal sun is square sat, pluto, but sextile jupiter so i was alright) this upcoming one on aug 16th is conjunct my natal venus (2deg orb) which has alot of trines so lets see what it will bring.... :cool:

[tootsie]

Hi Venus, Gads, sounds like that eclipse in Feb. was a whooper for you.....yeeks! I looked @ the different transits & the one on 2/6/08 was reactivated by a transit of Sun on 8/09. Then, the eclipse on 2/20 had a transit of Mars on 7/04. You might want to look back @ some of the other eclipses & note what transits has stirred things up.

Eclipse opposite sun could be about masculine figures in your life ect. With a conj to Venus with the next...it will be the lord of the eclipse for you. But, it is a dragon head lunar :rolleyes:

Cheers!
T

[VENUS]

thanks tootsie..yeah it was a whooper for me lol. what do you mean it will be the "lord" of the eclipse (aug 16th) for me? im assuming that mean venus issues? (money, love affairs etc?) i wonder what effect it will have because venus is the ruler of my chart...(im a libra rising.) i wonder if it will be money issues because one of my venus aspects squares jupiter in the 2nd....(im currently on vacation visiting my parents overseas, and my money is running out lol. ) and one more question...what is a dragon head lunar??? :confused: LOL
and by the way the transit of 08/09 saturn was in tight opposition my venus, and saturn was creeping up on his venus that summer....funny thing is, that the relationship was getting more "serious" , and more ironically we werent intimate for sometime around then due to some "religious reasons" for him...(which was fine by me,) but how moralistic right? scumbag.... :eek:

[tootsie]

Hi, What I meant by the lord of the eclipse is that usually the planet that rules the sign where the ecliplse falls gives the flavor as to the events & the aspects respectively. But, when the eclipse falls on a natal planet then that planet is the lord and you will want to look at the aspects & consider the nature of that planet. Then, when a planet transits over the eclipse it reactivates the ecliplse. Sun & Mars usually within 3 days or ect... Add points to the eclipse when it falls on a natal planet to the power it has.

I lunar eclipse with the dragon head is about culmination, release & emotion. Whereas, a solar eclipse with dragon tail is more about beginnings depending on releasing spirit & ego. Basically, it is all about change & we know how we all like change...:cool:
Cheers! :D

[VENUS]

ok cool, thanks for that info tootsie. :)

[Moon Shadow]

Then, when a planet transits over the eclipse it reactivates the ecliplse. Sun & Mars usually within 3 days or ect...

Hi Tootsie, what do you mean by "a planet transits over the eclipse"? Is this a planet in transit in conj to the sun/moon of the eclipse? Please give some details. Thanks

MoonShadow

[starlink]

What I meant by the lord of the eclipse is that usually the planet that rules the sign where the ecliplse falls gives the flavor as to the events & the aspects respectively. But, when the eclipse falls on a natal planet then that planet is the lord and you will want to look at the aspects & consider the nature of that planet.
Hi Tootsie, this is interesting to know! In my chart the Eclipse conjuncted my Pluto (by 2°, some give an Eclipse 10° orb. do you do that as well? Others say maximal 2° which I feel more comfortable with.) and so Pluto is the ruler in this case. Pluto rules my Ascendant and Pluto squares my Sun and Moon and trines my Venus and sextiles my Neptune. I have NO idea what I can expect from this but will keep an eye on the transits. (Never really bothered before, not much time to follow the daily transits unfortunately).

Venus, that was a very interesting story you told us there. Boy, did that work out for you!! Sorry you had to go through that. I have not felt anything from that last eclipses in February except that I have had more than my share of work. That is better now. Wonder what this one will bring.... Must have to do with myself, my physical body, my higher mind (it fell at 9°Leo in my 9th house. ) I decided not to go on vacation by plane in September, nor flying to the USA in October. just thought it was safer.

Starlink:)

[VENUS]

i never fly around an eclipse either starlink......the greek astrologers over here advise not to do anything serious 2 wks before, or 2 wks after an eclipse...including: getting married, buying car, house etc....

[tootsie]

Hi Starlink, I use an orb of 3 degrees. The eclipse fell on my pluto in the 9th also...we will have to compare notes on what developes ;)

Hi Moon Shadow, What I meant was that when a planet transists over the point of where there was an ecliplse it can trigger events & situations from the eclipse. For example, Say Lady X had a north node eclipse conj her natal uranus about a yr ago....then Jupiter transits over the degree where the eclipse was and she unexpectably runs of with her boyfriend and elopes. :D

Hi Venus, Yes, I don't do anything after an eclipse either. Before I knew about what eclipses meant I took a job the day of the eclipse :eek: Plus, the eclipse was a south node in my 10th house....Yeeks!! It was a horrible job & when the eclipse was reactivated by Mars I was fired. Although, I must admit it was kind of a relief:cool:

[Moon Shadow]

Hi Moon Shadow, What I meant was that when a planet transists over the point of where there was an ecliplse it can trigger events & situations from the eclipse. For example, Say Lady X had a north node eclipse conj her natal uranus about a yr ago....then Jupiter transits over the degree where the eclipse was and she unexpectably runs of with her boyfriend and elopes. :D



Oh, ok thanks for reply Tootsie, it sounds weird, but i will not deny it. Eclipse transited my natal Mars on the same degree, and nothing happened yet...is this weird too, or i am too blind to see around:59:...and as i said in another post above, Mars is the apex of a T square, so aspected...

Moon shadow

[tootsie]

Hi Moon Shadow, No that is not weird that nothing happened, you usually have to have other transits & progressions that go along with the event. I had some other prog that told the story :cool:

[Moon Shadow]

Well this is another thing good to know that such events has to be asociated to other transits and/or progresions. I only noticed that in the SR for this yesr i have the Moon on the Eclipse degree, so the events might come in time during the year...
Other transits i have on my natal chart are not implying directly Sun/Moon, but SN, Mars and Saturn, over my natal Pluto...it seems to be more complicated...:44:

[cjc]

Well, I think I can see where the impact of the eclipse is hitting me...

It took place just minutes of arc from conj my Moon in the 4th house (natal, not relocated chart).

Since then, my 90 YO mother has had to be taken to the emergency room twice after falls. Luckily, she's tough and had no damage other than bruises, contusions, and some aches and pains. As we're afraid to leave her alone any longer, it seems like my brother and I will have to sell her house that we grew up in. The house was much more than a dwelling to me as it's an 84-foot monstrosity that we built from a hole in the ground and I lost my childhood working on it with my father (I have Su sq Sa and his Sa is exactly on my Moon)... a course of block here, some digging there, a square of concrete every Sunday. Neighbors threatening to call the cops because of the way he screamed at me.

So, what could be more indicative of Mother, Home, and early development/learning?

I know to talk of death is taboo, but I have been able to predict (not out loud) death of a parent, as this is much easier to see than the death of a person whose chart we are reading. I'm wondering if this might be seen from the eclipse in my chart (attached)...?

Ironically, it was just a few years back that I saw a new Moon exactly square my friend's Moon, and I tolod her to watch her 85 YO mother. She couldn't be with her all the time, and the mother fell and broke her neck. She survived, but will have to wear a neck brace for the rest of her life.

Again, new Moon and mother... Anyone care to speculate about the falls in both charts? The eclipse was conj my mother's Sa, probably 12th house (hospitalization; all she could tell me about her BT was that it was around lunch time, so I'm using a noon chart).

Astrology fascinates me!

c