03-06-2006, 08:30 AM
I wonder if you are able to do a love reading for me? After reading what you had for jensluvblackcat's question on "Does he love me?", I hope you can do one for me if you can? I'm really impressed by the way you analyise the reading. Your reading spells more of the emotions involved than just the outcome of a question. which I didn't know I can get it from horary astrology. I wonder if you can help me to figure out what was going on in this romance and where it is going?
I met a man in a vacation camp and dated for a while but despite the short dating period we had, there were very strong chemistry but we are never on the same page to advance this. Either he wants to take this to an exclusive relationship when I'm not and vice versa. In addition to that, both of us were dealing with some personal problems and financial difficulties along the way which injected more challenges to our desires and the romance comes to a natural death.
Even though we are out of touch for qute a long span of time but I do still think of him sometimes. I tried to contact him a year ago on his birthday but there is a lack of communication from his side.
is there any reasons why he is avoiding me? Will we crossed path again and does he still think of me? If likely, I too want to know if he had ever fall for me?
There is a chart that I drew for this but I've been following your posts that you are experimenting with another technique which you will draw your own chart at the time you understood the question. nonetheless, I included the chart in case you like to reverse back to the usual way.
Hope you can offer some insight on this when you have some extra time. Thank u :)
03-06-2006, 02:39 PM
I hope you don't mind, but I am going to use the question received technique, because I am sure someone will come along to interpret the question asked chart anyway.
I just feel more comfortable using this technique at the moment, and for some reason I always find question received charts so much easier to read and make sense of, so I hope you don't mind. I only feel comfortable lately answering questions at the same time that they were asked when I am in the same room as someone or over phone, so that the time I recieve the question is the same time as it being asked.
I actually might come back and have a look at the question asked chart later, but first let's see what you think about this.
I received and understood your question at 14:14 on the 6th of March in the town of St Annes, England, UK.
Here's the chart:
Leo rises, making you the Sun, peregrine in Pisces and in the 8th house of loss and death. The Sun peregrine would seem to show that the power of your love for him has no real strength, and it's placement in the 8th house of loss might reflect that you feel that it is best to give up on this relationship all together.
Saturn, his significator, is in the sign of it's detriment, suggesting that he actually feels quite negative towards you, yet at the same time, it is in it's term and face, suggesting that despite this, his power of love for you is greater than yours for him. So this would show that he is unsure how he feel about you, whether he loves you or hates you, but either way he feels more strongly about you than you for him, as your peregrine placement gives your power of feeling no strength in either direction, you are more or less indifferent. Saturn is also upon the Ascendant, this accidental dignity shows that he experiences these mixed feelings very strongly, and the fact that he sits on the cusp of the house representing you, shows that the way he does or does not feel about you, bears heavily upon his conciousness, it dominates his thoughts. This seems a shame however, as you are shown as being rather impartial towards him, you could take it or leave it, your feelings aren't powerful enough either way, and you being in the 8th house of death would seem to suggest perhaps that you feel this way because you feel that the connection has been lost anyway. His feelings are also described as mixed, not in the sense of being indifferent, like you, but because he is unable to decide whether he strongly likes or dislikes you, and knowledge of what he fells is very important to you, as he dominates the cusp of your house, and I would say that his thinking is very much geared toward you and his strength of feeling would suggest that he does think of this a lot.
There is no mutual reception between the Sun and Saturn, so this shows little inclination for love to blossom between you, but while you remain in peregrine, with rather neutral feelings, this isn't likely to happen anyway. It is worth noting that Saturn is in the Sun's sign and in the Sun's triplicty, so I would say that although his feelings are mixed, perhaps because he is aware that your feelings are quite neutral, in truth he actually has rather a lot of inclination to love you a great deal, but this is not reciprocated by you, which is perhaps the source of his frustration, and causes the side of him which feels badly about you, because he is wary of investing too much power of emotion in you because he fears being hurt. He needs to know where he stands with this connection. Are you going to be lovers, friends or forget it all together? He needs to know because he is confused.
The fact that Saturn is in your sign of rulership and triplicity expresses that he has great inclination to love you, lack of mutual reception shows that this is not reciprocated, causing confusion in him, which is why his dignity is mixed, so he likes you a lot, is inclined to fall in love and yet hates you at the same time.
Saturn is also retrograde, showing how he is rebounded or pushed back. Perhaps he has demonstrated his feelings for you before and he has been knocked back somehow. Saturn retrograde may show that somehow he hides away or keeps a low profile, fear of hurt on his part is apparent in this chart. He is raking over things that have happened in the past and trying to work out the status of the relationship. If you have had sexual relations and you only want to be friends, it is as well to let him know this, as he may be hoping for somrthing much more serious.
There are no aspects between the Sun and Saturn, so there is no action of love which occurs described in the past or future, and given your peregrine state, then such action wouldn't be coming from your quarter anyway.
Let's have a look at Venus, natural ruler of love, and see what she's up to. Unfortunately Venus is in the 6th house of sickness, showing that the theme of love in relation to this question is not in a healthy state. Venus is applying an opposition to Saturn, which reveals that it will not belong before he decides to stop investing emotional energy in thinking about you and wondering how you feel about him, and therefore distance himself from love, and the inclination for him to love you and the fact that he likes you very much will soon come to disintegrate. This may be a good thing for you, given your neutrality of feeling, but see to it that this disappointment doesn't hurt him a great deal.
The Moon, your secondary significator, is separating from conjunction with Mars, the natural ruler of men and passion, so again is the suggestion that perhaps you have already given up on this issue. Mars is lust, and the Sun separates from Mars so you have had your fun, but Mars also separates from Saturn, so somehow he has had his passion taken away, and as it is you that does the separating from Mars, I wonder if you had a sexual thing going on, and you put it to a stop?
The Moon has more dignity than the Sun, being in it's triplicity, so this shows that your inner self, as opposed to the outer self which you demonstrate (Sun) is actually more inclined to be rather fond of this man than you let on, but perhaps more as a friend because triplicity is only medium dignity, inside you feel comfortable with him.
Considering the Moon, we see that there is mutual reception by triplicity with the Moon and Saturn, which shows that although he is inclined to fall in love with you, as Saturn is in the Sun's sign, this is not reciprocated by you, yet there is mutual reception by triplicty to the Moon, showing how there is none the less reciprocal inclination between the two of you to be good friends. :)
The Moon has already passed as sextile to Saturn, so perhaps you have considered this and thought that you would make better friends than lovers anyway. Perhaps this is why the Sun separates from Mars: you move away from lust.
All things considered I would say that the two of you are not destined to be lovers, but you would make a great friendship.
You cannot be lovers because:
* Sun is peregrine and in a cadent house, you do not feel powerfully enough about him to be lovers.
* Saturn is in it's term and face, his feelings are more powerful than yours.
* Saturn is in the Sun's rulership and triplicity, he is inclined to fall in love with you, but with no mutual reception this is not reciprocated.
* There are no aspects between Saturn and the Sun, which is just as well as your feelings are neutral.
You should be friends because:
* The Moon although still peregrine, is in Saturn's triplicity, your feelings for him are moderately powerful, as a friend.
* There is mutual reception between Saturn and the Moon, so there is inclination to friendship, and this would be reciprocated both ways.
* There is easy aspectual contact between the Moon and Saturn, the Moon separates, you already consider him your friend.
Hopefully, this has helped to define things and put things into perspective for you. I would be happy if it turned out that my interpretation was significant to you and that you could relate to it well.
03-08-2006, 02:40 PM
Is the above for me? I supposed it is for me?
Thanks for the meaningful and thorough insight. I have never known horary astrology is able to tap into the emotional aspects. My impression of horary astrology is more for a yes and no type of question which works like vedic astrology. It blew my mind away after reading yours.
I can relate to the reading especially on the differences in the emotional frequency of two of us. The description is so close to what we both have went through.
But for some reasons, I am leading to think that the two roles in the reading are switched. One who has a more neutral feeling towards our relationship is him and not me. I have more desires to be loved by him but it is not reciprocated equally. I hate and love him at the same time. I love him and yet I hate his inconsistencies. Iíve to hold on to letting my affections out in the air for fear of getting hurt. You wrote I had had my fun and I left but it was him who had his fun and left. He left without saying a word, till now Iím still haunted by his ďflying the coopĒ stunt. I hate him to the core for his sudden silent leaving. If he loves me strongly, why does he pull back whenever I stepped up? You asked if it is lust Iím looking for and put it to a stop after I derived enough fun from it, but from I feel, it is the other way round. It is lust that he is looking for but not the love, that explains why he left after he had his fun. I really do want to believe he does have strong inclination to blossom love as in your reading stated but this is where I see myself standing and how I feel towards this relationship. If he does feel so strongly towards me and has the capacity to love me deeply, why does he pull up a disappearing act? If he does want to love me, why doesnít he tell me so? I can relate to every line you typed but somehow the roles are switched.
Itís all in the pastÖ There was so much chemistry and it has been years yet he has never left my mind. Keeping a man in my heart for years are so unlike the usual me but this one is really hard to discard. Itís constantly a push pull of love or hate, stay or go. The feelings evoke are so strong.
I hate him and fighting my desires to contact him after he left. I worked on easing the hatred and moved on with my life without him. Years past, I still miss him and have tried to send him a birthday greeting last year but there isnít any news from him. Again, his birthday is around the corner which brings up memories of him. I have to blame mercury for flaunting its power again to stir up the melancholic strings. Lol
After years, Iím now holding a neutral feeling towards him because this is the only side of the fence I can sit on. What else can I do when he wants to avoid me which I canít find out the reason either? Iím not hoping for love from him nor am I expecting any friendship. What Iím looking forward to is the universe to wave a magic wand and give me a message to know what was wrong, what has been wrong and why so that I can gracefully chunk this to the history folder or let us bumped into each other again to settle the issues when we both are ready to face it. I ask the universe the 4W1H questions almost daily. What happened? Will we meet again? When? Why? How? Lol All I want is to know why he is so heartless to leave without leaving any traces behind and has he forgotten me? I donít know if it will really make a difference to me if I know the truth and when_or_if we will ever meet again but the answer to these are what I wish I had know. Can horary astrology tells me when and will we meet again?
By typing out and letting out has already helped me to minus the discomfort of missing him. Thanks, Draco. You are so thorough with your horary astrology learning and selflessly shared it. Thanks for helping me to bridge my heart and soul. :)
03-08-2006, 05:56 PM
I saw the post was addressed to blumen but posted under my post for you. :roll: I assumed it is for me?
04-17-2006, 10:34 PM
Sorry I'm so late in getting back, but if you see this, then yes, the post was for you, I just got the name wrong by mistake.
I do this sometimes because the little yellow things hardly ever show up for me next to the boards to show when new posts come in. So I might have thought that you hadn't responded. I have not responded to a few posts in the past because of this. Sorry.
04-18-2006, 05:00 AM
After having a read on your post I share many of your feelings to your partner. I didn't notice your post on March as I had followed ammi's thread "About Love..." and ask my relational question on a few days after you.
Both the questions asked have the same 7th house significator, Saturn, retrograde, in the sign of it's detriment, and is in it's term and face. For me, it's her last accusation on me that I don't love her. She said she felt depressed and couldn't tell her friends about me because our course was still underground. It was sudden and shocking for me as there were no problems in appearance beforehand!
I asked her why didn't her tell me and she was saying, "I've told you!! You just being distant and didn't listen!! You ignored me...I noticed you all the time but you never did!!" "I couldn't study well during that time because of you!" With this words staying in mind I felt so heavy.
For us, the questons to the Saturn ruled partners are almost the same. They are in common very heavy, inhibitive to share their feelings, right?
When I asked "whys" when we were in the relationship, she just didn't give the reasons behind, just let you know how bad her feelings were - making her headaches, period pains (T-square from her natal Mercury and Arian Moon-Mars opposition), or whatsoever. They were really bad! But how can we really understand? Could merely a pain-killer ease her? It's not that simple.
We would be disappointed by knowing the end of our relationships. But same as you, Bale, I guess I'm not the best but I'm too not as indifferent and insensitive as our partners might feel, so are you. Weren't we?
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