My husband

[tfoster3456]

Will my husband and I get back together? Or is he really going to go thru with the divorce?

[blumen]

Where and at what time was this question asked?

[Draco]

Hi Foster,

It is not necessary to provide the time and place from which the question was asked.

I am currently experimenting with an alternative technique, as taught by John Frawley, using the time and place at which the question was received, in order to interpret the chart.

In a sense, both ways are valid. They just give us perspectives from different angles. The interpretation of the chart from the time and place that the question was asked giving a more subjective reflection, the time and place the question was received a more objective, impartial view. At least, that's my current theory.

The fact that you have not provided a time and place gives me the perfect opportunity to use my technique of interpreting from the time that the question was received, so I thank the powers that be for providing this opportunity.

I received your question today, 3rd March, 2006 @ 15:10 in St Annes, England.

Here is the chart:

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Leo rises, so you are represented by it's ruler the Sun which is peregrine in Pisces in the 8th. Pisces is a mutable sign, reflecting your indecision and confusion within this situation, and the Sun being peregrine would enhance this disposition. It also shows that you have little power to act: it is your husband's decision. Pisces is also a mute and lame sign, there is nothing that can be said or done by you to influence the situation. It is not good that your significator is in the 8th house, which is the house of anxiety and death, and therefore loss.

Aquarius is upon the 7th cusp, so represents your husband. Saturn, Aquarius' ruler is in the sign of it's detriment and retrograde, but is in it's term and face, and in the fixed sign of Leo. Saturn is in a fixed sign, describing your husband as sticking to his decision, unlike you who is yet indecisive about what is going to happen. Saturn in it's term and face describes your husband as having more power to act than you, and that it is in it's detriment is significant, in that Leo is ruled by the Sun, so Saturn, due to it's detrimental situation does not like the Sun, the planet which presides over his troublesome circumstances. Saturn is also in an unfortunate house, the 12th, and is strong here, as this is the house of it's 'joy', but only because Saturn is able to express it's miserable and sorrowful qualities most readily here. Leo is a voice and bestial sign, your husband gives voice to his woes angrily. Notice that Saturn is retrograde, and usually in situations which ask as to whether something will be reinstated, such as this marriage, a retrograde significator shows turning back. In this case, I think that your husband is seriously considering divorce because he needs to spend time alone, yet during his soul searching it seems he will be reconsidering how the marriage might be able to be saved. Saturn is in it's joy, in this isolated and detached house, so it's retrograde shows the husband turning inward, and being concerned primarily with his own interests, he is reviewing the past, and it would seem that his soul searching will lead him to stick to the idea of separation perhaps, if not divorce. He is unhappy in this relationship, and needs his own space to think things through.

It might be worthy to note that Saturn, of all the visible planets, is the least receptive to the light of the Sun. You have little chance of influencing your husbands decision, which has been noted elsewhere.

There is no mutual or mixed reception between the Sun and Saturn: there is no inclination as yet to save the marriage. Saturn is in the domain of the Sun, but hates being there.

There is no aspectual contact between the Sun and Saturn, not even by square or opposition: there is no opportunity as yet to save the marriage

Let us have a look at Venus and Mars, because Venus whose nature it is to be attractant, and to bring things together, is the natural ruler of marriage. Mars, whose nature it is to be repellant, and to split things apart, is the natural ruler of divorce.

There are three unfortunate houses in horary, the 6th, the 8th and the 12th. Your significator is the 8th of loss, his significator in the 12th of isolation, voluntary isolation because Saturn is very content to be here, and Venus, ruler of marriage, is in the other unfortunate house of ill health and sickness, describing the condition that the marriage is in. Venus is in Saturn's sign and term, so he holds sway over what happens to the marriage, Venus is only in the Sun's face, you get much less say in this. Notice that Venus is about to transit into the sign of Aquarius, and when it does so, it will be applying opposition to Saturn, showing your husband becoming detached from this ailing marriage.

Looking at Mars, natural ruler of divorce, we see that it is dominantly placed in the angular 10th, house of destiny and the future, divorce is on the agenda. Mars is in Gemini, and it is the nature of Mars to divide, the twins are fighting, Mars in Gemini breaks bonds and contracts. We see that Saturn applies a close sextile to Mars, but the aspect cannot perfect because Saturn is retrograde, suggesting a reluctance on the part of the husband to apply for divorce. So we would take this to mean that the husband is determined in his decision to separate, if not to officially divorce all together for the time being.

I would say that this chart reflects that your husband is very seriously considering divorce and that there is little that you can do to influence his thinking. All in all, there is the suggestion that the husband will not eventually apply for divorce once and for all, so perhaps there will be a separation, while your husband does some soul searching. It is a clear indication that the marriage is ailing at the moment, and the husband is very unhappy. He needs to spend time on his own terms, perhaps away from you, in order to gather together his thoughts upon where he wants to go with this marriage. It seems he will ultimately decide not to divorce, but this does not mean to say that it will be all hearts and flowers from here on, because it seems he does not want you to be together, at least not for the time being.

Hopefully I did okay with this? I would be interested in any feedback you have to give, and I welcome any questions you have.

Draco ;)

[blumen]

Ok, my analysis of the chart will pale if compared to Draco's, but here is my interpretation

This chart was casted for the time and place of the question, I did not use Frawley's method. So it would be interesting to compare this reading with Draco's to see if widely different charts yielded similar results.

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Your significator is the Moon.
Your husband's significators are Saturn and Venus

He will go on with the divorce, since Saturn and the Moon are not in aspect. I think you do not live together anymore.

Saturn is in detriment and retrograde. May it be that the husband has been reviled? Anyway, since Saturn is in its own faces and terms he is still able to keep up appearances (saturn in the chart's second, second house= vision, to see and to be seen). As to the divorce, it will significantly affect the finances of both of you (Saturn RX in your second and in your husband's eight), but I believe his finances will suffer less than yours.

The Moon is in the fall of Saturn, and furthermore does not make any new aspect before leaving Aries. There is nothing much that you can do, you are at a clear disadvantage compared to your husband.

Your husband is torn, he does not really know what to do, but he can put himself together so to speak, so he will choose to go on with the divorce. It may be that he thought of coming back to you, but I do not think he will act accordingly.
(Venus, significator of your husband, is ruled by Saturn, is in her own triplicity and in the terms of Saturn. Venus and Saturn are in opposition
The fact that the Moon is in the faces of Venus, but Venus does not receive the Moon seems to confirm these deductions)

This divorce should have started relatively recently, in the sense that it has been somehow delayed. You wanted to divorce earlier, maybe you thought twice abut this choice and then changed your mind again.

Are there any children in this relationship? Let me look at the fifth house. The fifth house is in a watery sign, with Jupiter, a planet of water. The ruler of the fifth is in you husband's fifth. yes, there are children, and they were born in this relationship. The relationship between them and your usband seems to be very strong. In the end, you will obtain their custody, but he will continue being on very good terms with them.

I am sorry, but this is what I have seen in this chart. This is one of the first horary charts I read, and I would very much like to receive your feedback.

[Draco]

Good going Blumen! :)

Despite our different charts, suprisingly similar themes.

I have noticed a mistake that I made in the chart that I interpreted. :oops: Mars separates from Saturn, not Saturn applying to Mars (of course) so yes, the husband wants out, and the divorce will go ahead because it has already been initiated.

So yes, we get the same answer.

Draco ;)

[fensi88]

Blumen,
The Moon is in the fall of Saturn, and furthermore does not make any new aspect before leaving Aries.
What about Ve at 28Cap?

[blumen]

Hello Goca,

yes, the Moon applies a square to Venus, but the aspect is in application already, so I considered it as related to an on-going situation. I was looking for new aspects the Moon could apply before in entered Taurus, as I thought they could indicate changes, news and so on, but I could not find any,

Blumen

[Draco]

Hi Blu,

Square aspect to Venus, natural ruler of marriage, not good. :(

Draco ;)

[blumen]

I missed that. Thanks for reminding me :D

[tfoster3456]

does this still hold true? Please god say no.

[Summery Joy]

tfoster,

You first asked your question in March and now you are asking in Jully if the interpretations still stand. Maybe you should give us a description of the situation in order for us to help better or even cast new charts if possible.